T2 IRC Log: 2009-11-07
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--- Log opened Sat Nov 07 00:00:17 2009
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13:02 < rxr> re
13:10 < mpp> moinsen
13:12 < rxr> moin moin
14:12 < CIA-28> rene * r34824 /trunk/package/games/ltris/ltris.desc: * updated ltris (1.0.12 -> 1.0.13)
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15:40 < rxr> I just look at some DMI tables
15:40 < rxr> it's really funny (or very sad, depending how you look at it) what random noise the vendors place there (like Sony, Nokia you name it)
15:41 < rxr> sony vaio z lists maximal memory as: Maximum Capacity: 2048 GB
15:41 < rxr> know that is much :-)
15:42 < rxr> - Manufacturer: GenuineIntel
15:42 < rxr> + Manufacturer: Intel
15:42 < rxr> - Version: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z540 @ 1.86GHz
15:42 < rxr> + Version: C0
15:42 < rxr> huh?
15:42 < rxr> now, the clock designators:
15:42 < rxr> - Max Speed: 1866 MHz
15:42 < rxr> - Current Speed: 1866 MHz
15:43 < rxr> + Max Speed: 2666 MHz
15:43 < rxr> + Current Speed: 1600 MHz
15:43 < rxr> sony vs. nokia
15:43 < rxr> yeah, 2.6 GHz Atom, I wanna see that, ...
15:43 < rxr> I also think the sony L1 cache size is not quite right
15:43 < rxr> - Socket Designation: L1 Cache
15:43 < rxr> - Installed Size: 56 KB
15:45 < rxr> nokia lists:
15:45 < rxr> + Installed Size: 64 KB
15:45 < rxr> + Maximum Size: 64 KB
15:45 < rxr> our Atom 330 server:
15:46 < rxr> Installed Size: 32 KB
15:46 < rxr> Maximum Size: 32 KB
15:46 < rxr> this looks so trial'n error'ish, and you wonder about "random issues" on PCs
15:47 < rxr> well, with all this stuff, and all the other BIOS functions, bootup related stuff, disk io etc. so poorly written, this is no wonder
15:48 < rxr> linux (cpuinfo insn) says this about the z atom: dmesg:CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 24K
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16:02 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/flashrom.html
16:07 < CIA-28> rene * r34825 /trunk/scripts/Download:
16:07 < CIA-28> Mika Pesu:
16:07 < CIA-28> * added support for mercurial version system Downloads
16:19 < capey> oh, i should test my svn write access
16:20 < rxr> :-)
16:20 < rxr> hi
16:20 < capey> hi rxr
16:20 < capey> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to MKACTIVI
16:20 < rxr> you use https:// ?
16:20 < capey> oh, svn switch didnt work
16:21 < rxr> write acces is only allowed on the secured channel, so people do not eavesdrop the auth
16:21 < capey> yep
16:21 < rxr> --relocate to the switch might help
16:22 < CIA-28> rene * r34827 /trunk/package/network/wicd/ (. wicd.cache wicd.conf wicd.desc wicd.init):
16:22 < CIA-28> Mika Pesu:
16:22 < CIA-28> * added wicd (1.6.2.2) - Wired and wireless network manager
16:24 < CIA-28> mika * r34828 /trunk/package/develop/boost/graph_parameter.patch: * added parameter module depency to graph module
16:25 < capey> ah, now it works :)
16:27 < rxr> :-)
16:28 < rxr> I choose to slightly revisit your new package, see details on the list, email just went out
16:28 < rxr> just "minor" cosmetics, though :-)
16:30 < capey> yep, forgot all about the deprecated custmain, guess i overlooked it from build output
16:31 < capey> i could look at the custmain stuff, but after i get these builds done. perhaps better to do them after 8.0, even that its quite easy and shouldnt cause any additional errors
16:32 < rxr> the comment was not meant to you, but anyone of the hundreds folks on the list :-)
16:32 < capey> :)
16:32 < rxr> I do not expect you particularly to do all annoying cleaup work :-)
16:32 < rxr> it still builds, guess why I did not touch it yet :-)
16:32 < capey> yeah, i know :)
16:33 < rxr> well, that is initially, some 4-5y ago, I evne converted big packages form custom to nice code, binutils, glibc, gcc, to name I few I remeber of the top of my head
16:35 < rxr> next nice things to have are virtualbox and google-chrome
16:35 < rxr> booth of which I already started to package
16:36 < rxr> so fresh coffee, guess then I go home :-)
16:37 < capey> yep, i should go soon too... i was looking at the enlightenment svn tree, they have pretty nice stuff in proto... some web browser based on webkit and they ui kit
16:38 < capey> thinking of having a look at it, maybe tomorrow
16:39 < rxr> if that compiles and starts already it would be nice
16:39 < rxr> I also have an epdf package started
16:39 < rxr> some 6m ago or so, lingering in my WC noise
16:39 < rxr> maybe it's something nice-to-have, too
16:39 < capey> yep, i'm starting to like this e17, plays nicely on my laptop
16:40 < rxr> :-)
16:43 < CIA-28> mika * r34829 /trunk/package/themes/blingbling/ (. blingbling.conf blingbling.desc installdir.patch): * added blingbling theme for E17
16:44 < CIA-28> mika * r34830 /trunk/package/themes/blingbling/blingbling.cache: * added missing cacha file for blingbling theme
16:44 < capey> but now i gotta run
16:44 < rxr> :-)
16:44 < capey> cu later
16:44 < rxr> cu
16:45 < rxr> have a nice we
16:45 < capey> thanks, you too :)
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17:04 < CIA-28> mtr * r34831 /trunk/package/filesystem/aufs2/ (9 files): * added aufs2 (2009-09-17) - Yet another Stackable Unification File System
17:05 < CIA-28> mtr * r34832 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/ip6_print.patch: * added tcpdump patch to build with disabled ipv6
17:07 < rxr> mtr: hey
17:08 < rxr> around ?
17:08 < CIA-28> rene * r34833 /trunk/package/lua/luasec/ (luasec.conf luasec.desc): * updated luasec (0.2 -> 0.4)
17:10 < rxr> mtr: I also started the aufs2 "update", nice that you got to it
17:10 < rxr> mtr: however, I would just have updated the broken aufs package
17:10 < rxr> mtr: maybe I move it over to the aufs package?
17:11 < rxr> guess we have little use for the nowdays broken with "latest kernels" version ?
17:11 < mtr> hey rene
17:12 < rxr> hi!
17:13 < mtr> i started some cross build targets this morning,
17:13 < mtr> and looked over the uncommited things ...
17:14 < mtr> i thought aufs would be nice-to-have for target configurations using pre-2.6.30
17:14 < rxr> ok - if there is use for it :-)
17:15 < rxr> would not mind an extra package
17:15 < rxr> balzius will certainly take care to remove it on another year or two :-)
17:16 < mtr> probably, aufs will not survive a clean up ;-)
17:17 < mtr> btw, did you already start to package gcc 4.4.2?
17:17 < rxr> I think it had a new dependency library and the first versions where as broken that even http://heise.de notices it in SPEC2K runs or so
17:18 < rxr> so I left it for now
17:18 < rxr> but feel free to update ;-)
17:18 < rxr> guess they fixed their trivial intel spec run ICEs by now :-)
17:19 < mtr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/GCC-4-4-0-erschienen-214628.html
17:20 < rxr> "demonstrierte die Nachteile einer zu hastigen Veröffentlichung: Beim Übersetzen des CPU2006-Teilbenchmarks 453.povray ging der C++-Compiler g++ mit einem internen Fehler auf die Brett"
17:20 < rxr> er.
17:23 < rxr> btw. virtualbox builds in my trunk, now, needs install target work though, likewise I tarted a google chrome package, but that needs huge aounts of work
17:23 < rxr> just to let you know where you might save duplicate work :-)
17:29 < mtr> cool, virtualbox was on my list too
17:30 < rxr> biggest problem was our gcc
17:30 < rxr> they finally got that fixed upstream
17:30 < rxr> (AFAICS, at least it builds, ow)
17:31 < mtr> but the open source edition has a drawback, the usb support is reserved for the binary version
17:38 < rxr> was that not just usb 1 vs 2 or so?
17:38 < rxr> whatever, better than nothing, and one day or another it will get the currently commercial features anyway :-)
17:39 < rxr> I mainly use qemu/kvm heavily, anyway, but more choices are always nice to have, code base to look into, compare, etc.
17:39 < rxr> guess their graphic stuff, especically in regards to 3D is better than Qemu currently
17:40 < mtr> closed source features are: RDP server and USB
17:40 < rxr> yeah, until some external patch surfaces, they open source it anyway, etc.
17:41 < rxr> e.g. just port Qemu's bits over :-)
17:41 < rxr> but Qemu's USB sucks anyway
17:41 < rxr> needs EHCI, aka. USB 2.0, ...
17:41 < rxr> and the USB 1 in Qemu is dog slow
17:42 < rxr> gotta go home in a sec
17:43 < mtr> i have some minutes left this afternoon, downloading gcc 4.4.2 now ... ;-)
17:44 < CIA-28> rene * r34834 /trunk/package/emulators/virtualbox/ (. virtualbox.cache virtualbox.conf virtualbox.desc):
17:44 < CIA-28> * added virtualbox (3.0.10) - A general-purpose full virtualizer
17:44 < CIA-28> for x86 hardware, does build, now, does not yet install, needs
17:44 < CIA-28> the kernel modules package (T2 postlinux build), just to share
17:44 < rxr> dont't forget it now probably requires to package those third party libs
17:44 < rxr> or you hack virtualbox to install, build the kernel modules post-linx
17:44 < rxr> linux
17:44 < rxr> gotta run, now, too, cu then
17:45 < mtr> cu, have a nice evening
19:33 < rxr> re
19:33 < rxr> thanks
19:33 < rxr> u2
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23:19 < CIA-28> rene * r34835 /trunk/package/fonts/ghostscript-fonts/ghostscript-fonts.conf:
23:19 < CIA-28> * fixed ghostscript-fonts to create the ghostscript font directory
23:19 < CIA-28> for the case the fonts are installed without the ghostscript
23:19 < CIA-28> interpreter (e.g. just for xpdf et al.)
23:19 < CIA-28> * converted it not to use a (deprecated) custmain function
23:38 [Users #t2]
23:38 [@ChanServ] [ koan ] [ mj-netbits ] [ mtr ] [ TobiX]
23:38 [ aloof ] [ LMJ ] [ mjungwirth__] [ rxr ]
23:38 [ CIA-28 ] [ mckoan|oedem] [ mqueiros ] [ Stealth]
23:38 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
23:51 < CIA-28> aldas * r34836 /trunk/package/security/util-vserver/ (hotfix.patch util-vserver.desc): * updated util-vserver (0.30.208 -> 0.30.215)
--- Log closed Sun Nov 08 00:00:17 2009
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13:02 < rxr> re
13:10 < mpp> moinsen
13:12 < rxr> moin moin
14:12 < CIA-28> rene * r34824 /trunk/package/games/ltris/ltris.desc: * updated ltris (1.0.12 -> 1.0.13)
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15:40 < rxr> I just look at some DMI tables
15:40 < rxr> it's really funny (or very sad, depending how you look at it) what random noise the vendors place there (like Sony, Nokia you name it)
15:41 < rxr> sony vaio z lists maximal memory as: Maximum Capacity: 2048 GB
15:41 < rxr> know that is much :-)
15:42 < rxr> - Manufacturer: GenuineIntel
15:42 < rxr> + Manufacturer: Intel
15:42 < rxr> - Version: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z540 @ 1.86GHz
15:42 < rxr> + Version: C0
15:42 < rxr> huh?
15:42 < rxr> now, the clock designators:
15:42 < rxr> - Max Speed: 1866 MHz
15:42 < rxr> - Current Speed: 1866 MHz
15:43 < rxr> + Max Speed: 2666 MHz
15:43 < rxr> + Current Speed: 1600 MHz
15:43 < rxr> sony vs. nokia
15:43 < rxr> yeah, 2.6 GHz Atom, I wanna see that, ...
15:43 < rxr> I also think the sony L1 cache size is not quite right
15:43 < rxr> - Socket Designation: L1 Cache
15:43 < rxr> - Installed Size: 56 KB
15:45 < rxr> nokia lists:
15:45 < rxr> + Installed Size: 64 KB
15:45 < rxr> + Maximum Size: 64 KB
15:45 < rxr> our Atom 330 server:
15:46 < rxr> Installed Size: 32 KB
15:46 < rxr> Maximum Size: 32 KB
15:46 < rxr> this looks so trial'n error'ish, and you wonder about "random issues" on PCs
15:47 < rxr> well, with all this stuff, and all the other BIOS functions, bootup related stuff, disk io etc. so poorly written, this is no wonder
15:48 < rxr> linux (cpuinfo insn) says this about the z atom: dmesg:CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 24K
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16:02 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/flashrom.html
16:07 < CIA-28> rene * r34825 /trunk/scripts/Download:
16:07 < CIA-28> Mika Pesu
16:07 < CIA-28> * added support for mercurial version system Downloads
16:19 < capey> oh, i should test my svn write access
16:20 < rxr> :-)
16:20 < rxr> hi
16:20 < capey> hi rxr
16:20 < capey> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to MKACTIVI
16:20 < rxr> you use https:// ?
16:20 < capey> oh, svn switch didnt work
16:21 < rxr> write acces is only allowed on the secured channel, so people do not eavesdrop the auth
16:21 < capey> yep
16:21 < rxr> --relocate to the switch might help
16:22 < CIA-28> rene * r34827 /trunk/package/network/wicd/ (. wicd.cache wicd.conf wicd.desc wicd.init):
16:22 < CIA-28> Mika Pesu
16:22 < CIA-28> * added wicd (1.6.2.2) - Wired and wireless network manager
16:24 < CIA-28> mika * r34828 /trunk/package/develop/boost/graph_parameter.patch: * added parameter module depency to graph module
16:25 < capey> ah, now it works :)
16:27 < rxr> :-)
16:28 < rxr> I choose to slightly revisit your new package, see details on the list, email just went out
16:28 < rxr> just "minor" cosmetics, though :-)
16:30 < capey> yep, forgot all about the deprecated custmain, guess i overlooked it from build output
16:31 < capey> i could look at the custmain stuff, but after i get these builds done. perhaps better to do them after 8.0, even that its quite easy and shouldnt cause any additional errors
16:32 < rxr> the comment was not meant to you, but anyone of the hundreds folks on the list :-)
16:32 < capey> :)
16:32 < rxr> I do not expect you particularly to do all annoying cleaup work :-)
16:32 < rxr> it still builds, guess why I did not touch it yet :-)
16:32 < capey> yeah, i know :)
16:33 < rxr> well, that is initially, some 4-5y ago, I evne converted big packages form custom to nice code, binutils, glibc, gcc, to name I few I remeber of the top of my head
16:35 < rxr> next nice things to have are virtualbox and google-chrome
16:35 < rxr> booth of which I already started to package
16:36 < rxr> so fresh coffee, guess then I go home :-)
16:37 < capey> yep, i should go soon too... i was looking at the enlightenment svn tree, they have pretty nice stuff in proto... some web browser based on webkit and they ui kit
16:38 < capey> thinking of having a look at it, maybe tomorrow
16:39 < rxr> if that compiles and starts already it would be nice
16:39 < rxr> I also have an epdf package started
16:39 < rxr> some 6m ago or so, lingering in my WC noise
16:39 < rxr> maybe it's something nice-to-have, too
16:39 < capey> yep, i'm starting to like this e17, plays nicely on my laptop
16:40 < rxr> :-)
16:43 < CIA-28> mika * r34829 /trunk/package/themes/blingbling/ (. blingbling.conf blingbling.desc installdir.patch): * added blingbling theme for E17
16:44 < CIA-28> mika * r34830 /trunk/package/themes/blingbling/blingbling.cache: * added missing cacha file for blingbling theme
16:44 < capey> but now i gotta run
16:44 < rxr> :-)
16:44 < capey> cu later
16:44 < rxr> cu
16:45 < rxr> have a nice we
16:45 < capey> thanks, you too :)
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17:04 < CIA-28> mtr * r34831 /trunk/package/filesystem/aufs2/ (9 files): * added aufs2 (2009-09-17) - Yet another Stackable Unification File System
17:05 < CIA-28> mtr * r34832 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/ip6_print.patch: * added tcpdump patch to build with disabled ipv6
17:07 < rxr> mtr: hey
17:08 < rxr> around ?
17:08 < CIA-28> rene * r34833 /trunk/package/lua/luasec/ (luasec.conf luasec.desc): * updated luasec (0.2 -> 0.4)
17:10 < rxr> mtr: I also started the aufs2 "update", nice that you got to it
17:10 < rxr> mtr: however, I would just have updated the broken aufs package
17:10 < rxr> mtr: maybe I move it over to the aufs package?
17:11 < rxr> guess we have little use for the nowdays broken with "latest kernels" version ?
17:11 < mtr> hey rene
17:12 < rxr> hi!
17:13 < mtr> i started some cross build targets this morning,
17:13 < mtr> and looked over the uncommited things ...
17:14 < mtr> i thought aufs would be nice-to-have for target configurations using pre-2.6.30
17:14 < rxr> ok - if there is use for it :-)
17:15 < rxr> would not mind an extra package
17:15 < rxr> balzius will certainly take care to remove it on another year or two :-)
17:16 < mtr> probably, aufs will not survive a clean up ;-)
17:17 < mtr> btw, did you already start to package gcc 4.4.2?
17:17 < rxr> I think it had a new dependency library and the first versions where as broken that even http://heise.de notices it in SPEC2K runs or so
17:18 < rxr> so I left it for now
17:18 < rxr> but feel free to update ;-)
17:18 < rxr> guess they fixed their trivial intel spec run ICEs by now :-)
17:19 < mtr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/GCC-4-4-0-erschienen-214628.html
17:20 < rxr> "demonstrierte die Nachteile einer zu hastigen Veröffentlichung: Beim Übersetzen des CPU2006-Teilbenchmarks 453.povray ging der C++-Compiler g++ mit einem internen Fehler auf die Brett"
17:20 < rxr> er.
17:23 < rxr> btw. virtualbox builds in my trunk, now, needs install target work though, likewise I tarted a google chrome package, but that needs huge aounts of work
17:23 < rxr> just to let you know where you might save duplicate work :-)
17:29 < mtr> cool, virtualbox was on my list too
17:30 < rxr> biggest problem was our gcc
17:30 < rxr> they finally got that fixed upstream
17:30 < rxr> (AFAICS, at least it builds, ow)
17:31 < mtr> but the open source edition has a drawback, the usb support is reserved for the binary version
17:38 < rxr> was that not just usb 1 vs 2 or so?
17:38 < rxr> whatever, better than nothing, and one day or another it will get the currently commercial features anyway :-)
17:39 < rxr> I mainly use qemu/kvm heavily, anyway, but more choices are always nice to have, code base to look into, compare, etc.
17:39 < rxr> guess their graphic stuff, especically in regards to 3D is better than Qemu currently
17:40 < mtr> closed source features are: RDP server and USB
17:40 < rxr> yeah, until some external patch surfaces, they open source it anyway, etc.
17:41 < rxr> e.g. just port Qemu's bits over :-)
17:41 < rxr> but Qemu's USB sucks anyway
17:41 < rxr> needs EHCI, aka. USB 2.0, ...
17:41 < rxr> and the USB 1 in Qemu is dog slow
17:42 < rxr> gotta go home in a sec
17:43 < mtr> i have some minutes left this afternoon, downloading gcc 4.4.2 now ... ;-)
17:44 < CIA-28> rene * r34834 /trunk/package/emulators/virtualbox/ (. virtualbox.cache virtualbox.conf virtualbox.desc):
17:44 < CIA-28> * added virtualbox (3.0.10) - A general-purpose full virtualizer
17:44 < CIA-28> for x86 hardware, does build, now, does not yet install, needs
17:44 < CIA-28> the kernel modules package (T2 postlinux build), just to share
17:44 < rxr> dont't forget it now probably requires to package those third party libs
17:44 < rxr> or you hack virtualbox to install, build the kernel modules post-linx
17:44 < rxr> linux
17:44 < rxr> gotta run, now, too, cu then
17:45 < mtr> cu, have a nice evening
19:33 < rxr> re
19:33 < rxr> thanks
19:33 < rxr> u2
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23:19 < CIA-28> rene * r34835 /trunk/package/fonts/ghostscript-fonts/ghostscript-fonts.conf:
23:19 < CIA-28> * fixed ghostscript-fonts to create the ghostscript font directory
23:19 < CIA-28> for the case the fonts are installed without the ghostscript
23:19 < CIA-28> interpreter (e.g. just for xpdf et al.)
23:19 < CIA-28> * converted it not to use a (deprecated) custmain function
23:38 [Users #t2]
23:38 [@ChanServ] [ koan ] [ mj-netbits ] [ mtr ] [ TobiX]
23:38 [ aloof ] [ LMJ ] [ mjungwirth__] [ rxr ]
23:38 [ CIA-28 ] [ mckoan|oedem] [ mqueiros ] [ Stealth]
23:38 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
23:51 < CIA-28> aldas * r34836 /trunk/package/security/util-vserver/ (hotfix.patch util-vserver.desc): * updated util-vserver (0.30.208 -> 0.30.215)
--- Log closed Sun Nov 08 00:00:17 2009