T2 IRC Log: 2007-10-22

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--- Log opened Mon Oct 22 00:00:51 2007
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08:41 < rxr> re
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10:06 [Users #t2]
10:06 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
10:06 [ CIA-8 ] [ emte ] [ Key_Gena95] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
10:06 [ cyda ] [ Enqlave|server] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ sparc-kly] [ yokoy ]
10:06 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
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11:10 [@ChanServ ] [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
11:10 [ byStealth] [ dsoul_ ] [ Key_Gena95] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
11:10 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave|server] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ sparc-kly] [ yokoy ]
11:10 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
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13:09 < rxr> note to self: mencoder ED_1024.avi -o test.mpg -of mpeg -vf scale=320:128 -oac lavc -ovc lavc -srate 44100 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:acodec=mp2:abitrate=128:keyint=12:vstrict=
13:10 < rxr> 0
13:10 < rxr> mencoder ED_1024.avi -o test.mpg -of mpeg -vf scale=320:128 -oac lavc -ovc lavc -srate 44100 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:acodec=mp2:abitrate=128:keyint=12:vstrict=0
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15:10 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 7.0-rc released! | trunk heading for 8.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org
15:10 -!- Topic set by H4X [] [Tue Jun 26 17:57:25 2007]
15:10 [Users #t2]
15:10 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul_ ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
15:10 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave ] [ Key_Gena95] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp_ ] [ yokoy]
15:10 [ cyda ] [ Enqlave|server] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ sparc-kly]
15:10 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
15:10 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Nov 26 07:44:08 2006
15:10 -!- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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15:37 < CIA-8> mtr * r26521 /trunk/package/develop/icu4c/icu4c.desc:
15:37 < CIA-8> * updated icu4c (3.6 -> 3.8)
15:37 < CIA-8> * changed [U] and [D] to icu-project.org
15:38 < CIA-8> mtr * r26522 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr/ (vdr-plugin-conf.in vdr.conf vdr.desc): * updated vdr (1.5.9 -> 1.5.10)
15:38 < CIA-8> mtr * r26523 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr-femon/vdr-femon.desc: * updated vdr-femon (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
15:38 < CIA-8> mtr * r26524 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr-xine/ (pkg_xine-ui_post.conf vdr-xine.desc): * updated vdr-xine (0.7.9 -> 0.7.12)
15:39 < CIA-8> mtr * r26525 /trunk/package/vdr/vdrskin-soppalusikka/vdrskin-soppalusikka.desc: * updated vdrskin-soppalusikka (1.0.2 -> 1.1.2)
15:40 < CIA-8> mtr * r26526 /trunk/package/vdr/vdrskin-enelchi/vdrskin-enelchi.desc: * updated vdrskin-enelchi (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
16:25 < rxr> re
16:25 < rxr> hi mtr
16:47 < CIA-8> rene * r26527 /trunk/package/perl/perl-cairo/perl-cairo.desc: * updated perl-cairo (1.042 -> 1.043)
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18:36 < rxr> everytime I re-flash the neo and read the opnemoko wiki it's such a sad "nothing works" experience ...
18:36 < rxr> damnit
18:36 < rxr> I need some student to hack T2 on the moko full-time or so
18:36 < rxr> this openmoko junk sucks just so maorly ...
18:36 < rxr> and it does not even build consistently for even those nice folks in #openmoko
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18:57 < rxr> GnuTLS entfernt Funktion wegen möglicher Patente
18:57 < rxr> Version 2.0.2 ohne TLS-Autorisierung
18:57 < rxr> http://golem.de/0710/55555.html
19:15 -!- _Ragnar__ is now known as Ragnarin
19:21 < Ragnarin> o_o
19:21 < Ragnarin> what? o_o
19:24 < rxr> hehehe, their Wiki: "Software Extremely buggy. Most software needs to be added or made to work."
19:24 < rxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison
19:24 < Ragnarin> lol
19:26 < rxr> yeah - too bad I saied yes to he Linux magazin to write an aricle ...
19:26 < rxr> I think I tell them: "Here take the raw story, we did not find much good in their software stack, hardware sucks, too - review, print what you want, leave out my name"
19:27 < rxr> initially we sent the Neo to them for review, but they had no time ... and could not do anything with the crappy Open Embedded based crap OpenMoko software stack wanna-be
19:27 < Ragnarin> lol
19:27 < Ragnarin> you really don't like it ... :)
19:27 < rxr> I just reflashed their last official images, everything that was broken is still broken
19:28 < rxr> but it has a startup sound, now
19:28 < rxr> well - with some nice Evas graphic and T2 the software might at least work
19:28 < rxr> though the hardware would still be crap ..
19:29 < rxr> today someone expeienced my iPhone and wanted to tel 'em there might soon be more free alternatives and was rolling back to the Neo in the shelf, while someone esle nearby said "oh, now you grab that ugly Neo/OpemMoko beast again" ...
19:30 < rxr> and I really wonder why the heck they do not get the basics just working
19:30 < rxr> I mean is it too much asking for "just pin entry, normal dialing" after 4 months I have this thing, now ?
19:33 < rxr> damnit if I just would have payed some stutend to finish T2 with Evas for the Neo and we would have somthing rocking by now
19:33 < rxr> I'm ust too busy with daily business ...
19:33 < rxr> the Neo basically is just collecting dust here ...
19:40 < Ragnarin> >.<
19:40 < Ragnarin> was ist denn mit der hardware?
19:44 < rxr> CPU is slow, no graphic accelerator (well - ok could live with that) very smal screen (2.5" or so) very bad for on-screen keyboard as there are no hardware keys (as in the iPhone, just that the iPhone has a display size where on-scren keys are large enough to click on), then
19:44 < rxr> the GPS is closed, no open source sofware yet
19:44 < rxr> no power management, yet
19:45 < rxr> battery life is about 7 hours, then the battery is drained as the CPU is running at full speed
19:46 < rxr> furtheremore the case is very thik (double thinkness of the iPhone, also thicker than the Sony 600i and all other handies we have here), also it wheights about twice as much as most other recent phones
19:46 < rxr> and the round top and button just waste space and increase weight without any value
19:46 < rxr> e.g. without those round top and button a larger screen would fit into the case
19:47 < rxr> also the thickness is mostly due to imperfect case design, e.g. the plasic is 3mm atop of the display surface etc. pp.
19:48 < rxr> oh
19:48 < rxr> and the GSM chip has a bug in communication with most current SIM cards
19:48 < rxr> good I had an old SIM lingering around, ironically this is bug #666 over at them
19:49 < rxr> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666
19:50 < rxr> back to the software side, GLIBC is wasting space on the just 64MB ROM, and sysvinit leads to over 2 minute bootup time
19:51 < rxr> you fall in love with that lovely phone, now ?
19:52 < rxr> if you want to get a nice software side overview of how many of the basics do not work all the time:
19:52 < rxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#GSM_11
19:53 < rxr> --
19:53 < rxr> but I found one really ugly software but on the iPhone
19:54 < rxr> I once got some strangely cryptic SMS, maybe that was some automatic config SMS from the provider or so, and after that SMS the SMS application would never come up again - untilone manually sshed to the iPhone and wiped the SMS sqlite3 file
19:54 < rxr> in fact dumping, removing that cryptic junk and re-creating the tables in the file the SMS.app worked again as well
19:58 < rxr> ok - after hacking this defect OpenMoko build I at least get asked for the PIN for the first time in 3 months or so ...
20:03 < rxr> but calling still doesn't work
20:03 < rxr> would'd suprise me if the PIN doesn't even make it to the GSM UART ...
20:04 * rxr needs more time (tm) for a nice cellular software stack ...
20:05 < rxr> hm
20:14 < rxr> hm
20:15 < rxr> I have the feeling they now b0rked their gsmd completely
20:15 < rxr> oh my, at least it was possible to make phone calls by manual hacking before
20:15 < rxr> damnit
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20:23 < rxr> yuche
20:24 < rxr> # P
20:24 < rxr> Read current opername
20:24 < rxr> Our current operator is o2 - de
20:24 < rxr> EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x4F01 CellID = 0x8167
20:24 < rxr> just took 4 reboots and manualy hackery and apparently does not work always
20:24 < rxr> well - in the past it at least worked reliable by manual tweaking
20:24 < rxr> unbelievable that it still does not work in a GUI way and even degraded stability wise ...
20:37 < rxr> heh - ok - the phone call only lasted until the basic power management feature hit in ...
20:37 < rxr> and now even the USB ssh seassion is dead
20:37 < rxr> what a fun
20:37 * rxr heading to the super marker and home
20:37 < rxr> have a good night
21:57 < CIA-8> ragnar * r26528 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/ (module-install-24.patch module-install-26.patch nvidia.desc): * nvidia: update the proprietary nvidia drivers
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22:40 < tri> moin
22:53 < tri> http://www.linux-magazin.de/heft_abo/ausgaben/2005/11/massenstart/(offset)/6
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--- Log closed Tue Oct 23 00:00:52 2007