T2 IRC Log: 2007-10-05

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--- Log opened Fri Oct 05 00:00:35 2007
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09:14 < CIA-8> susan * r26209 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * updated tcpdump (3.9.7 -> 3.9.8)
09:17 < rxr> re
09:20 < Ragnar|away> hi
09:23 * Ragnar|away yawns
09:23 * Ragnar|away crawls off to bed
09:23 < Ragnar|away> nini rene
09:24 < rxr> have a good night Ragnar|away
09:24 [Users #t2]
09:24 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ Key_Gena95] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
09:24 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave ] [ kic- ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
09:24 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ]
09:24 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
09:24 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
09:24 < Ragnar|away> thanks
09:25 < CIA-8> susan * r26210 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (2.0.0.6 -> 2.0.0.7)
09:46 < CIA-8> rene * r26211 /trunk/package/www/uriparser/ (. uriparser.cache uriparser.desc): * added uriparser (0.6.0) - An RFC 3986 URI parsing library
09:47 < CIA-8> rene * r26212 /trunk/package/multimedia/libspiff/ (. libspiff.cache libspiff.desc): * added libspiff (0.8.1) - A library for reading and writing XSPF playlists
10:18 < CIA-8> susan * r26213 /trunk/package/network/gsmd/gsmd.desc: * updated gsmd (r2691 -> r3088)
11:04 < CIA-8> rene * r26214 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ (binutils.desc texinfo-version.patch): * updated binutils (2.18.50.0.1 -> 2.18.50.0.2)
11:20 < CIA-8> rene * r26215 /trunk/package/perl/perl-test-number-delta/ (. perl-test-number-delta.cache perl-test-number-delta.desc): * added perl-test-number-delta (1.03) - Perl module Test-Number-Delta
11:21 < CIA-8> rene * r26216 /trunk/package/perl/perl-cairo/ (perl-cairo.cache perl-cairo.desc): * updated perl-cairo (1.041 -> 1.042)
11:23 < CIA-8> rene * r26217 /trunk/package/network/tor/tor.desc: * updated tor (0.1.2.16 -> 0.1.2.17)
11:24 < CIA-8> rene * r26218 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.16.8 -> 0.16.9)
11:24 < CIA-8> rene * r26219 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (5.0.8 -> 5.0.9)
12:44 < rxr> re
12:49 < Fatal> rere
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13:05 < rxr> hi Fatal Enqlave|laptop
13:05 [Users #t2]
13:05 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ happycube ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
13:05 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave ] [ Key_Gena95] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
13:05 [ cyda ] [ Enqlave|laptop] [ kic- ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
13:05 [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ]
13:05 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
13:06 < Enqlave|laptop> hah
13:06 < Enqlave|laptop> hello rxr ;)
13:06 < Enqlave|laptop> good to see you
13:31 < CIA-8> rene * r26220 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.22.7 -> 2.6.22.8)
13:32 < CIA-8> rene * r26221 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.22.8 -> 2.6.22.9)
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15:01 < rxr> dpinfo
15:01 < rxr> "Servernachricht:
15:01 < rxr> Fuer die angegebene Datenbank laeuft kein DB-Server"
15:01 < rxr> wonderful ..
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15:43 < LMJ> hi
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16:43 < rxr> hi LMJ
16:43 < LMJ> hi rxr
17:06 < kic-> hola
17:06 < kic-> so like
17:06 < kic-> my target/rootfs/etc
17:08 < kic-> erm, nvm
17:08 < kic-> figured it out
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18:07 < Baldzius> moin
18:08 < rxr> hey Baldzius !
18:08 < rxr> Baldzius: how are you? how is .ir going ?
18:08 < Baldzius> hi rxr
18:08 < Baldzius> ie :)
18:09 < rxr> ah sorry
18:09 < rxr> .ie ?
18:09 < rxr> all find?
18:09 < Baldzius> not bad not bad, as usuall
18:09 < Baldzius> sorry?
18:09 < Baldzius> the last sentence
18:09 < rxr> s/find/fine/ :-)
18:09 < Baldzius> heh :)
18:10 < rxr> I guess overly busy ?
18:10 < Baldzius> yeah, just a little
18:10 < rxr> too much at work? or experiencing the green islan ?
18:10 < rxr> +d
18:11 < Baldzius> just work
18:11 < rxr> oh
18:11 < rxr> that not so good I guess ...
18:11 < Baldzius> traveled only outside, visited croatia at the end of august
18:12 < Baldzius> nice country apart that it was really hot
18:12 < Baldzius> but i can imagine what it's to be there at middle of july
18:13 < rxr> so you will spend more time here in the next time? we're really missing you ...
18:14 < Baldzius> :)
18:15 < Baldzius> don't know, maybe ..
18:15 < rxr> ouhm
18:15 < Baldzius> sometimes i am really swamped out
18:16 < Baldzius> also still don't have any good computer for compile stuff
18:16 < Baldzius> have f* 2.4Ghz celeron at home with 40GB HDD
18:16 < Baldzius> total crap
18:17 < rxr> doesn't sound that bad
18:18 < Baldzius> oh it's really bad, maybe it doesn't sound bad but reality is diferent and it's bad really bad :)
18:19 < Baldzius> i wish i had sempron instead
18:19 < rxr> I have a dusty Athlon XP 2500+ in the corner, is that better ?
18:19 < Baldzius> comparing to celeron?
18:19 < Baldzius> much much better
18:20 < Baldzius> all work i did previously was on Athlon 2400+
18:20 < rxr> hm - I would have thought they would be quite equally fast ...
18:20 < rxr> of course I ask because we badly miss your excellent stable tree maintenance you did ....
18:21 < rxr> I could even send you the Athlon board (cpu+ram) if that would help
18:22 < Baldzius> :) i guess that would cost more than bying
18:22 < rxr> I think inter-EU shipping is quite cheap these days ...
18:23 < Baldzius> i am just looking for the new computer but have to wait as i need the car
18:23 < Baldzius> just waiting to see how cold the weather can be here in winter
18:23 < Baldzius> cause i can cycle now easily
18:23 < rxr> on our schedule is also establishing a Foundation to allow companies doing tax redused donations we can distribute to individuals ...
18:24 < Baldzius> cause if it gets too cold i'll have to go to work somehow :/
18:24 < rxr> yeah, ...
18:24 < rxr> no idea how cold ireland becomes in the winter, I only visited it once in the summer ...
18:24 < rxr> how far away is your work ?
18:25 < Baldzius> 40min by bicycle
18:25 < rxr> oh, so 15 km or so ?
18:25 < Baldzius> yeah, something about that
18:26 < Baldzius> 2.30 by walking i guess
18:27 < rxr> Baldzius: if we can help you getting stuff together for t2 stable work let me know :-)
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18:28 < Baldzius> rxr: thanks, i have to think :)
18:28 < Baldzius> what are the choises
18:29 < Baldzius> previsouly i had a dedicated server so it was really handy
18:29 < Baldzius> and i guess that's the best solution
18:30 < rxr> we got a 8-core 3GHz, 8GB Xeon in the office
18:30 < rxr> maybe I could setup some "logical partition" (with whatever virtualization thing whatsoever) if it's just that
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18:34 [Users #t2]
18:34 [@ChanServ] [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
18:34 [ Baldzius] [ Dallur] [ happycube ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ]
18:34 [ cgetty ] [ DeeKey] [ Key_Gena95] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ]
18:34 [ CIA-8 ] [ emte ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
18:34 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
18:53 < Baldzius> rxr: that is good option
18:53 < rxr> ok - I'll figure something out in the next days
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18:59 < rxr> Baldzius: do you prefer some virtualization / partitionizing solution from past work ?
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19:01 < Baldzius> rxr: not familiar with virtualization yet so don't know just what's the best and easiest way to do that
19:11 < rxr> ok - off for dinner
19:11 < rxr> cu all
19:11 < rxr> oh and Baldzius:
19:11 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/zine/
19:11 < rxr> ^- the next upcoming T2 community connection project
19:12 < rxr> + the still pending forum we are asked more often about these days
19:12 < Baldzius> :)
19:12 < Baldzius> forum is nice
19:12 < kic-> brb, need reboot
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19:25 < DeeKey> YEP! I still ask the forum ;)
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19:39 < DeeKey> i propose phpbb v 3.0 as a forum. This version will soon be released. There are nice flash tutorials: http://www.phpbb.com/support/tutorials/
20:07 < Baldzius> phpbb doesn't look good from the security point
20:07 < Fatal> forums are generally a bad idea imho
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20:10 < kic-> ls
20:10 < kic-> oops
20:10 < kic-> re
20:11 < Baldzius> Fatal: why?
20:11 < Baldzius> wb kic-
20:11 < kic-> thanks
20:11 < kic-> rene:
20:11 < kic-> are these http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/unstable/7.0-trunk/i486/ the iso's you got from me?
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20:24 < DeeKey> Baldzius: phpbb doesn't look good from the security point
20:24 < DeeKey> That is because it is wide spread. And anyway rxr is going to install it on virtual machine...
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21:43 < kic-> ok
21:43 < kic-> maybe someone can help me
21:43 < kic-> hehe
21:43 < kic-> i have an interesting problem
21:43 < kic-> so i have a squashfs on an embedded system..
21:44 < kic-> originally, it was just squashfs, but then i found that i couldn't write to /etc/resolv.conf because squashfs was read only
21:45 < kic-> OK, so solution was to put in the overlay, so that rootfs was writable in ramdisk
21:45 < kic-> OK
21:45 < kic-> but now, i do not want /sbin, or /bin or any other rootfs directory to be able to be rm -rf'd *
21:46 < Ragnar|away> can't you just overlay /etc?
21:47 < kic-> but how would i configure that?
21:47 < kic-> or even better, can i just overlay /etc/resolv.conf
21:47 < kic-> ?
21:47 < Ragnar|away> I dunno ... never worked with overlays >.<
21:48 < kic-> ok, time to research :D
21:48 < Ragnar|away> what you also could do is mount none /conf -t tmpfs and ln -s /conf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
21:49 < Ragnar|away> so you don't need an overlay at all
21:51 < kic-> hrm
21:51 < kic-> cant touch a file in squashfs rootfs
21:52 < kic-> which i believe, would also include a symlink
21:52 < Ragnar|away> hm? why not?
21:52 < kic-> squashfs is read-only
21:52 < Ragnar|away> you create the squashfs don't you?
21:52 < kic-> yeah
21:52 < kic-> well
21:52 < kic-> T2 does
21:52 < kic-> but yea
21:52 < Ragnar|away> so you can put the link there at creating time
21:53 < kic-> hrm
22:01 < kic-> what would i put in my target rootfs
22:02 < kic-> to create that
22:02 < kic-> t2 builds my rootfs from target/mytarget/rootfs
22:02 < kic-> which contains etc, sbin, and all that
22:03 < Ragnar|away> just put the link there?
22:03 < kic-> wouldn't that break the pointer though?
22:03 < kic-> and it would have to link across to a jffs file system
22:03 < kic-> i believe
22:04 < Ragnar|away> or you can change target/mytarget/build_image.sh
22:04 < Ragnar|away> no just make sure the link is absolute not relative
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22:44 < rxr> re
22:44 < rxr> hey
22:49 < DeeKey> hello! ;)
22:50 < DeeKey> playing with xen...
22:51 < rxr> DeeKey: :-)
22:52 < rxr> kic-: yes that is the path I put your isos in for now
22:52 < rxr> had no time to think about sorting today ..
22:53 < rxr> ah - Ragnar|away I was some scrollback yestion from you the other night
22:53 < DeeKey> rxr: what you use for virtualisation?
22:53 < rxr> varius stuff
22:54 < rxr> I started to use Xen a little but all the python junk did not feel quite right
22:54 < rxr> that is also why I did not fully integrate it into T2
22:54 < rxr> (though more Xen patches welcome - in generally we apply anything that is written cleanly :-)
22:54 < kic-> rxr: ok, just making sure that you knew they were 8.0-trunk iso's and not 7.0 :D
22:55 < rxr> yeah - though trunk did not drift much yet, so I was feeling sorting it into the current 7.0 series would fit as well
22:55 < rxr> but I agree, for precise numbering it should be in a 8.0-trunk
22:56 < rxr> ah Ragnar|away it was:
22:56 < rxr> 23:38 < Ragnar|away> rxr: hmmm how easy would it be to enforce all shared libs
22:56 < rxr> on a system to be PIC?
22:56 < rxr> ^-> no it isn't that easy, because when a .c file is compiled T2 can not know beforehand if it will end up in a .so
22:57 < rxr> you could, however, use our GCC wrapper to inject -fPIC everywhere
22:57 < rxr> however, this could break one or another static library
22:57 < rxr> using hand cruft assembly, like media codecs
22:57 < rxr> - not only static libs, but also single binaries using that
22:58 < rxr> Ragnar|away: why did you ask, because of some "relocation error, recompile with -fPIC error?"
22:58 < rxr> for this offending libs we have the FPIC-QUIRK tag just injecting -fPIC for this single package - but you probably know that
22:58 < rxr> the situation will become better as soon as the GCC folks finished their link-time-optimation stuff (LTO=
22:58 < rxr> )
23:00 < rxr> this generates intermedia representation and just real machine binary instruction on the file link, thus being able to do version stuff, including whole-program dead-code analysis, whole-program inlining, and so on ...
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23:03 < itsu> hi there
23:03 < itsu> can anyone help me with a per package modification ?
23:03 < rxr> oh, and for the virtualization stuff, I use qemu extensivly for hardware near code (linux kernel, early user-space and others), and with kvm it becomes sort of production ready for actual server use + vserver for lightweight server partitionizing
23:04 < rxr> in the past I also used Mac On Linux extensively - and I wish there would be something I could run the current Intel OS X stuff in ...
23:04 < rxr> unfortunetly I have to rebot some Mac from Linux to the mirror world everytime a Mac customer calls :-(((
23:05 < itsu> i don't get it from the docs
23:05 < itsu> i want to apply a configure option for a certain packet
23:05 < itsu> so i made the file config/pkg_mypackage.conf
23:05 < rxr> yes
23:06 < rxr> config ?
23:06 < itsu> i read in the manual
23:06 < rxr> do you have your own target?
23:06 < rxr> ough, if there is config/pkg_whatever in the manual we should fix it, if you have the page handy, let me know
23:06 < itsu> yes
23:07 < itsu> Per Package Modifications
23:07 < itsu> mom
23:07 < rxr> if you have your own target, then it is target/your-target-name/pkg_mypackage.conf
23:07 < itsu> the manual say something like "Per Package Modifications"
23:07 < itsu> checking now
23:08 < itsu> sorry i was a bit wrong
23:08 < itsu> i used the generic targe with minimum build
23:09 < itsu> added nmap to it and need to apply --without-nmapfe
23:09 < itsu> i wanted to place it into the conf as the manual suggests
23:09 < rxr> hm - ok
23:09 < rxr> use target/generic/pkg_nmap.conf for now
23:10 < itsu> how should the conf file look in this case ?
23:11 < itsu> only the --without-nmapfe should be added to derived config
23:11 < rxr> if you want to re-use the existing config then
23:11 < rxr> target/generic/pkg_nmap_post.conf
23:11 < rxr> with the line
23:12 < rxr> var_append confopt ' ' '--without-nmapfe'
23:16 < itsu> didnt work rxt
23:17 < itsu> rxr
23:17 < itsu> :-)
23:17 < itsu> still complaining the missing config option
23:17 < rxr> hm ?
23:17 < rxr> what missing config option
23:17 < rxr> ?
23:17 < itsu> --without-nmapfe
23:18 < itsu> i did the steps you advised
23:19 < rxr> what is the exact error ?
23:19 < itsu> mom
23:24 < rxr> valentin: maybe you can help itsu when he found the log
23:24 < itsu> i sent it to you rxr private to not mess the chat
23:24 < rxr> as I'm on a 3G connection in my bedroom ... :-)
23:24 < rxr> cu tomorrow morning
23:24 < rxr> itsu: oh - ok
23:25 < rxr> wil reply in the morning then
23:25 < rxr> cu alll
23:25 < itsu> thx rxr
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23:33 < Ragnar|away> rxr: no, PAX as included in grsec
23:34 < Ragnar|away> which requires all shared objects to be position independent
23:35 < Ragnar|away> http://www.grsecurity.net/wiki/index.php/GrsecurityUserLandConfiguration
23:36 < Ragnar|away> hmmm tho this talks about executables ...
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23:44 < kic-> oops
23:44 < kic-> T2 maybe requires either unionfs or aufs
23:44 < kic-> ?
23:44 < kic-> can't remove both maybe?
23:45 < Ragnar|away> I'm building without both o_o
23:45 < kic-> ok
23:45 < kic-> just checkin
23:45 < kic-> :D
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