T2 IRC Log: 2007-07-19
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--- Log opened Thu Jul 19 00:00:44 2007
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05:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 7.0-rc released! | trunk heading for 8.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org
05:08 -!- Topic set by H4X [] [Tue Jun 26 17:57:25 2007]
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09:35 < tri> moin
09:53 < DeeKey> mornng!
09:56 < tri> hi DeeKey
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10:17 < rxr> re
10:18 < tri> hi rxr
10:29 < rxr> hi tri
10:44 < CIA-9> susan * r25063 /trunk/package/editors/ed/ed.desc: * updated ed (0.6 -> 0.7)
10:45 < CIA-9> susan * r25064 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.6.STABLE13 -> 2.6.STABLE14)
10:46 < CIA-9> susan * r25065 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (0.9.8.5 -> 0.9.8.6)
10:48 < CIA-9> susan * r25066 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.8p12 -> 1.6.9)
10:48 < CIA-9> susan * r25067 /trunk/package/filesystem/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.desc: * updated e2fsprogs (1.40.1 -> 1.40.2)
10:49 < CIA-9> susan * r25068 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.02.26 -> 2.02.27)
10:54 < CIA-9> susan * r25069 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * updated links (2.1pre28 -> 2.1pre29)
10:54 < CIA-9> susan * r25070 /trunk/package/develop/splint/splint.desc: * updated splint (3.1.1 -> 3.1.2)
10:54 < CIA-9> susan * r25071 /trunk/package/text2speech/espeak/espeak.desc: * updated espeak (1.27 -> 1.28)
10:56 < DeeKey> rxr: you have added an old rtai target files. I have updated the download paths in both comedi-driver and rtai...
10:56 < DeeKey> I have sent you the newest in the last email..
10:57 < rxr> DeeKey: I can give you a SVN write access and you can commit the target/rtai updates yourself, what do you think?
10:57 < rxr> btw. I hit the busybox error
10:58 < rxr> I take a look in the next minutes
11:00 < DeeKey> SVN write access It would be great
11:02 < rxr> htpasswd -s -n your-name
11:02 < rxr> and send the resulting hash to rene @ exactcode . de
11:11 < rxr> if you do not have htpasswd around I can also generate a random hash for you ...
11:12 < DeeKey> I have sent you a mail.
11:12 < rxr> ok - added
11:12 < rxr> did you checkout via https:// ?
11:13 < rxr> write access is only available via https://
11:13 < rxr> svn info will tell you
11:13 < rxr> should return:
11:13 < rxr> URL: https://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
11:15 < rxr> you can switch to another url with svn switch --relocate http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk https://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
11:18 < write_erase> rxr, how R you
11:20 < rxr> write_erase: oh - overworked or so ?
11:20 < rxr> but fine, thanks - and you ?
11:20 < write_erase> same for me ... Just some time to try your T2-RESC which I love
11:21 < write_erase> t-resc-0.6 is not available to x86 :-(
11:21 < write_erase> do you plan to build one ?
11:21 < rxr> yes, 0.6 was nearly only a x86-64 rebuild
11:21 < rxr> yes, there will be new t-rescs soon
11:21 < rxr> for all platforms
11:21 < write_erase> I posted a wishlist on the mailing list ... If you have time :-)
11:22 < write_erase> Maybe I'll try to build mine ...
11:22 < rxr> susan already wanted to do that
11:22 < rxr> most are just tiny package additions anyway :-)
11:24 < write_erase> yes
11:24 < write_erase> but realy cool packages additions :-)
11:24 < rxr> :-)
11:25 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-commit-tutorial.html
11:27 < write_erase> I may send the link to my friends developers :-)
11:36 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-access.html
11:37 < rxr> DeeKey: the busybox problem comes from your overlaying of the linux-header package
11:37 < rxr> do you really need that or it is just there from the wrt2 target ?
11:42 < DeeKey> the second one.
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11:43 < CIA-9> rene * r25072 /trunk/target/rtai/package/linux-header/:
11:43 < CIA-9> * removed package/linux-header from rtai, overlay left from the wrt2
11:43 < CIA-9> target breaking busybox
11:44 < DeeKey> Great! Thank you!
11:46 < rxr> feel free to commit your other updates
11:46 < rxr> especially to test your account :_)
11:46 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-commit-tutorial.html
11:46 < rxr> ^- so revisited
11:46 < rxr> actaully this page wast lost, we had it for a long time but it was not in the menu anymore :-(
11:47 < rxr> "svn switch" explained here: http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-access.html
11:47 < DeeKey> Ok I will!
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14:01 < CIA-9> rene * r25073 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
14:01 < CIA-9> * added callweaver (1.2RC4) - A community driven software PBX project
14:01 < CIA-9> * including registering the new callweaver user
14:12 < CIA-9> rene * r25074 /trunk/package/network/callweaver/callweaver.desc: * marked callweaver to cross compile
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14:24 < Stelz> rehi rxr :)
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14:32 < rxr> http://www.schnueffel-schaeuble.de/
15:07 < CIA-9> rene * r25075 /trunk/target/share/install/rootfs/sbin/init: * added udevtrigger to the install/rootfs/sbin/init
15:33 < cyda> hey rxr :-)
15:33 < cyda> i beleive you share my unspeakable thoughts on jffs2
15:36 < rxr> yes, probably
15:36 < rxr> new issues ?
15:44 < cyda> nah old issues, different setup
15:44 < cyda> my card reads as an sdb device and am running into the same issues as we had
15:44 < cyda> so am currently trying to resolve it step by step
15:45 < cyda> and this time its been successful : -)
15:45 < cyda> jffs2 is like a woman on her periods
15:45 < cyda> you never know when she blows up
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16:03 < rxr> :-)
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16:29 < Zephiris> Hullo. ^^; I'm rather curious about T2, I was wondering for one thing, if it's possible to, say, create both 64-bit and 32-bit versions of libraries (or things in general) for x86_64?
16:30 < kic-> define arch x86-64
16:30 < kic-> X glibc
16:30 < kic-> X glibc32
16:31 < kic-> :D
16:32 < Zephiris> Mm, I checked it out from SVN and I'm running the config script (which is apparently just being a bit sluggish on Gentoo due to grep o_0), and I didn't see any way to select both.
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: not in general
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: at least not yet
16:36 < Zephiris> Oh.
16:36 < rxr> but
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: more sophisticated multilib support is on the roadmap
16:36 < rxr> and
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: you can do this for multiple libraries by hooking into the build system e.g. in your target and build them twice with different configs
16:37 < rxr> sparc does this for ncurses and gdb
16:37 < rxr> but when you enable multilib on x86-64 in t2 you already get glibc (of course) and the gcc stuff (C++, ObjC, GCJ) libraries built for all multilib combinations, that is 32 and 64bit
16:37 < rxr> Zephiris: what exactly do you want to build for both, 32 and 64bit ?
16:38 < Zephiris> *nod* I was more or less hoping that something would support it. Icky Fedora does, but...well, it's Fedora. Gentoo doesn't (32-bit binary versions of a small number you can download), and it's been driving me crazy, along with how long it takes to do anything.
16:39 < Zephiris> Well, basically everything. A number of relatively complex things are 32-bit only, or require 32-bit specific libraries.
16:40 < rxr> you mean when you run binary only stuff on 64bit systems?
16:40 < rxr> or e.g. wine ?
16:42 < Zephiris> Well, wine, various games, other things, too. A build system that'd hopefully be more efficient than Gentoo's relatively dreadful portage would seem like a rather good thing, too. Sane/coherent multilib for x86_64 seems to be one of those things that most every distribution is afraid to touch.
16:44 < rxr> well - we are not afraid, just too busy
16:44 < rxr> this feature is listed on the roadmap on two places already:
16:44 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
16:44 < rxr> * detailed and generic multilib configuration as proposed
16:44 < rxr> and
16:44 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
16:44 < rxr> Generic and flexible multilib support
16:44 < rxr> any help welcome
16:44 < rxr> patches that is :-)
16:45 < rxr> should not be overly hard if you know "how to build open source stuff" etc. already a bit
16:45 < rxr> and we usuall are rather helpful here and on the list
16:46 < Zephiris> *nod* I gather, I didn't mean T2. Gentoo, for instance, has been talking about it for a long time, but nothing's been done. *nod* Mm, that's good to know. A lot of places, well, aren't very helpful. ^^;
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16:50 < Zephiris> Does the minimal desktop stuff for 0.6.3 contain enough to get a feel for how the overall function and relative performance works, or is there something else aside from having to immediately do a full build? Obviously, I'm thinking for more of a personal-use desktop kind of environment, but I'm not shy when it comes to having to put together packages, or having to put in a lot of work to get
16:50 < Zephiris> something working right. ._.
16:51 < rxr> the minimal desktop is a live-cd without devel stuff
16:51 < rxr> better get the full 6.0.0 or the minimal 6.0.1
16:51 < rxr> they are classic install with gcc and co
17:12 < Zephiris> *wonder* Is there any support for building from CVS/Subversion/GIT/etc versions of projects, or just regular source tarballs?
17:13 < rxr> in t2 there is support for cvs, svn, git and zip and some other junk
17:31 < Zephiris> Alright. Oh, I didn't see it in the handbook, can it detect if a dependency is already installed on the system in 'standard' locations in an "unmanaged" way, akin to FreeBSD ports? And is there anything that describes how it automatically determines dependencies and such?
17:32 < rxr> it can not detect in-system in "unmanaged" ways, it is using text/plain files in /var/adm/*
17:33 < rxr> it detects dependencies by the files used to build, like .h. .a .so etc. as we have a sandbox wrapping setup that logs this all
17:33 < rxr> we store them in .cache files with the packages to have them for people's first-time builds
17:33 < Zephiris> *nod* Okay.
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18:11 < rxr> I just wired an alternative, suposedly more modern homepage design online:
18:11 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/
18:12 < rxr> using exactly the same HTML, just different CSS - we can toggle between at least the former minimal-css and the modern-css
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20:55 < rxr> we got a new page: http://www.t2-project.org/developer/pkgtutorial.html
21:04 < rxr> so - I go home, now - cu all
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21:17 < misl> hi folks
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05:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 7.0-rc released! | trunk heading for 8.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org
05:08 -!- Topic set by H4X [] [Tue Jun 26 17:57:25 2007]
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09:35 < tri> moin
09:53 < DeeKey> mornng!
09:56 < tri> hi DeeKey
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10:17 < rxr> re
10:18 < tri> hi rxr
10:29 < rxr> hi tri
10:44 < CIA-9> susan * r25063 /trunk/package/editors/ed/ed.desc: * updated ed (0.6 -> 0.7)
10:45 < CIA-9> susan * r25064 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.6.STABLE13 -> 2.6.STABLE14)
10:46 < CIA-9> susan * r25065 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (0.9.8.5 -> 0.9.8.6)
10:48 < CIA-9> susan * r25066 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.8p12 -> 1.6.9)
10:48 < CIA-9> susan * r25067 /trunk/package/filesystem/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.desc: * updated e2fsprogs (1.40.1 -> 1.40.2)
10:49 < CIA-9> susan * r25068 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.02.26 -> 2.02.27)
10:54 < CIA-9> susan * r25069 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * updated links (2.1pre28 -> 2.1pre29)
10:54 < CIA-9> susan * r25070 /trunk/package/develop/splint/splint.desc: * updated splint (3.1.1 -> 3.1.2)
10:54 < CIA-9> susan * r25071 /trunk/package/text2speech/espeak/espeak.desc: * updated espeak (1.27 -> 1.28)
10:56 < DeeKey> rxr: you have added an old rtai target files. I have updated the download paths in both comedi-driver and rtai...
10:56 < DeeKey> I have sent you the newest in the last email..
10:57 < rxr> DeeKey: I can give you a SVN write access and you can commit the target/rtai updates yourself, what do you think?
10:57 < rxr> btw. I hit the busybox error
10:58 < rxr> I take a look in the next minutes
11:00 < DeeKey> SVN write access It would be great
11:02 < rxr> htpasswd -s -n your-name
11:02 < rxr> and send the resulting hash to rene @ exactcode . de
11:11 < rxr> if you do not have htpasswd around I can also generate a random hash for you ...
11:12 < DeeKey> I have sent you a mail.
11:12 < rxr> ok - added
11:12 < rxr> did you checkout via https:// ?
11:13 < rxr> write access is only available via https://
11:13 < rxr> svn info will tell you
11:13 < rxr> should return:
11:13 < rxr> URL: https://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
11:15 < rxr> you can switch to another url with svn switch --relocate http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk https://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
11:18 < write_erase> rxr, how R you
11:20 < rxr> write_erase: oh - overworked or so ?
11:20 < rxr> but fine, thanks - and you ?
11:20 < write_erase> same for me ... Just some time to try your T2-RESC which I love
11:21 < write_erase> t-resc-0.6 is not available to x86 :-(
11:21 < write_erase> do you plan to build one ?
11:21 < rxr> yes, 0.6 was nearly only a x86-64 rebuild
11:21 < rxr> yes, there will be new t-rescs soon
11:21 < rxr> for all platforms
11:21 < write_erase> I posted a wishlist on the mailing list ... If you have time :-)
11:22 < write_erase> Maybe I'll try to build mine ...
11:22 < rxr> susan already wanted to do that
11:22 < rxr> most are just tiny package additions anyway :-)
11:24 < write_erase> yes
11:24 < write_erase> but realy cool packages additions :-)
11:24 < rxr> :-)
11:25 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-commit-tutorial.html
11:27 < write_erase> I may send the link to my friends developers :-)
11:36 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-access.html
11:37 < rxr> DeeKey: the busybox problem comes from your overlaying of the linux-header package
11:37 < rxr> do you really need that or it is just there from the wrt2 target ?
11:42 < DeeKey> the second one.
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11:43 < CIA-9> rene * r25072 /trunk/target/rtai/package/linux-header/:
11:43 < CIA-9> * removed package/linux-header from rtai, overlay left from the wrt2
11:43 < CIA-9> target breaking busybox
11:44 < DeeKey> Great! Thank you!
11:46 < rxr> feel free to commit your other updates
11:46 < rxr> especially to test your account :_)
11:46 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-commit-tutorial.html
11:46 < rxr> ^- so revisited
11:46 < rxr> actaully this page wast lost, we had it for a long time but it was not in the menu anymore :-(
11:47 < rxr> "svn switch" explained here: http://www.t2-project.org/developer/svn-access.html
11:47 < DeeKey> Ok I will!
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14:01 < CIA-9> rene * r25073 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
14:01 < CIA-9> * added callweaver (1.2RC4) - A community driven software PBX project
14:01 < CIA-9> * including registering the new callweaver user
14:12 < CIA-9> rene * r25074 /trunk/package/network/callweaver/callweaver.desc: * marked callweaver to cross compile
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14:24 < Stelz> rehi rxr :)
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14:32 < rxr> http://www.schnueffel-schaeuble.de/
15:07 < CIA-9> rene * r25075 /trunk/target/share/install/rootfs/sbin/init: * added udevtrigger to the install/rootfs/sbin/init
15:33 < cyda> hey rxr :-)
15:33 < cyda> i beleive you share my unspeakable thoughts on jffs2
15:36 < rxr> yes, probably
15:36 < rxr> new issues ?
15:44 < cyda> nah old issues, different setup
15:44 < cyda> my card reads as an sdb device and am running into the same issues as we had
15:44 < cyda> so am currently trying to resolve it step by step
15:45 < cyda> and this time its been successful : -)
15:45 < cyda> jffs2 is like a woman on her periods
15:45 < cyda> you never know when she blows up
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16:03 < rxr> :-)
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16:29 < Zephiris> Hullo. ^^; I'm rather curious about T2, I was wondering for one thing, if it's possible to, say, create both 64-bit and 32-bit versions of libraries (or things in general) for x86_64?
16:30 < kic-> define arch x86-64
16:30 < kic-> X glibc
16:30 < kic-> X glibc32
16:31 < kic-> :D
16:32 < Zephiris> Mm, I checked it out from SVN and I'm running the config script (which is apparently just being a bit sluggish on Gentoo due to grep o_0), and I didn't see any way to select both.
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: not in general
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: at least not yet
16:36 < Zephiris> Oh.
16:36 < rxr> but
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: more sophisticated multilib support is on the roadmap
16:36 < rxr> and
16:36 < rxr> Zephiris: you can do this for multiple libraries by hooking into the build system e.g. in your target and build them twice with different configs
16:37 < rxr> sparc does this for ncurses and gdb
16:37 < rxr> but when you enable multilib on x86-64 in t2 you already get glibc (of course) and the gcc stuff (C++, ObjC, GCJ) libraries built for all multilib combinations, that is 32 and 64bit
16:37 < rxr> Zephiris: what exactly do you want to build for both, 32 and 64bit ?
16:38 < Zephiris> *nod* I was more or less hoping that something would support it. Icky Fedora does, but...well, it's Fedora. Gentoo doesn't (32-bit binary versions of a small number you can download), and it's been driving me crazy, along with how long it takes to do anything.
16:39 < Zephiris> Well, basically everything. A number of relatively complex things are 32-bit only, or require 32-bit specific libraries.
16:40 < rxr> you mean when you run binary only stuff on 64bit systems?
16:40 < rxr> or e.g. wine ?
16:42 < Zephiris> Well, wine, various games, other things, too. A build system that'd hopefully be more efficient than Gentoo's relatively dreadful portage would seem like a rather good thing, too. Sane/coherent multilib for x86_64 seems to be one of those things that most every distribution is afraid to touch.
16:44 < rxr> well - we are not afraid, just too busy
16:44 < rxr> this feature is listed on the roadmap on two places already:
16:44 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
16:44 < rxr> * detailed and generic multilib configuration as proposed
16:44 < rxr> and
16:44 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
16:44 < rxr> Generic and flexible multilib support
16:44 < rxr> any help welcome
16:44 < rxr> patches that is :-)
16:45 < rxr> should not be overly hard if you know "how to build open source stuff" etc. already a bit
16:45 < rxr> and we usuall are rather helpful here and on the list
16:46 < Zephiris> *nod* I gather, I didn't mean T2. Gentoo, for instance, has been talking about it for a long time, but nothing's been done. *nod* Mm, that's good to know. A lot of places, well, aren't very helpful. ^^;
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16:50 < Zephiris> Does the minimal desktop stuff for 0.6.3 contain enough to get a feel for how the overall function and relative performance works, or is there something else aside from having to immediately do a full build? Obviously, I'm thinking for more of a personal-use desktop kind of environment, but I'm not shy when it comes to having to put together packages, or having to put in a lot of work to get
16:50 < Zephiris> something working right. ._.
16:51 < rxr> the minimal desktop is a live-cd without devel stuff
16:51 < rxr> better get the full 6.0.0 or the minimal 6.0.1
16:51 < rxr> they are classic install with gcc and co
17:12 < Zephiris> *wonder* Is there any support for building from CVS/Subversion/GIT/etc versions of projects, or just regular source tarballs?
17:13 < rxr> in t2 there is support for cvs, svn, git and zip and some other junk
17:31 < Zephiris> Alright. Oh, I didn't see it in the handbook, can it detect if a dependency is already installed on the system in 'standard' locations in an "unmanaged" way, akin to FreeBSD ports? And is there anything that describes how it automatically determines dependencies and such?
17:32 < rxr> it can not detect in-system in "unmanaged" ways, it is using text/plain files in /var/adm/*
17:33 < rxr> it detects dependencies by the files used to build, like .h. .a .so etc. as we have a sandbox wrapping setup that logs this all
17:33 < rxr> we store them in .cache files with the packages to have them for people's first-time builds
17:33 < Zephiris> *nod* Okay.
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18:11 < rxr> I just wired an alternative, suposedly more modern homepage design online:
18:11 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/
18:12 < rxr> using exactly the same HTML, just different CSS - we can toggle between at least the former minimal-css and the modern-css
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20:55 < rxr> we got a new page: http://www.t2-project.org/developer/pkgtutorial.html
21:04 < rxr> so - I go home, now - cu all
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