T2 IRC Log: 2010-09-14

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--- Log opened Tue Sep 14 00:00:49 2010
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09:41 <@rxr> moin
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12:58 < keinek> hi
12:58 < keinek> :)
13:00 <@rxr> hey keinek
13:01 < keinek> rxr: i was downloading and compile a lot... less a bit to download all desktop default sources :P
13:01 < keinek> when will compile and install the desktop default at this time... start the real experience with 8.0
13:01 < keinek> :)
13:02 < keinek> i think... in this weekend i can finish the work :)
13:10 <@rxr> :-)
13:11 < CIA-32> rene * r37617 /trunk/package/x11/xdg-user-dirs/xdg-user-dirs.desc: * updated xdg-user-dirs (0.12 -> 0.13)
13:11 < CIA-32> rene * r37616 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.4.18 -> 2.4.19)
13:11 < CIA-32> rene * r37618 /trunk/package/lua/copas/copas.desc: * updated copas (1.0 -> 1.1.5)
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14:17 < keinek> hey rxr one question.
14:17 < keinek> I have a Amd x2 what optimiced is the better option?
14:18 <@rxr> depends what you mean with AMD X2, ...
14:18 < keinek> this is a amd 64 4600+ X2 is a dual core, i dont wanna 64 bit, i wants 32 bits
14:19 < keinek> i see athlon xp... mt.. 4... i dont know what is mine...
14:19 <@rxr> don't know, don't really use i386 builds anymore
14:19 < keinek> i dont need do this right know, but i wanna know :)
14:19 <@rxr> best performance definetly is x86-64
14:21 < keinek> ok...
14:21 < keinek> so... another question...
14:21 < keinek> i have a host system debian or ubuntu 32 bit.
14:21 < keinek> can i build a cross compile for 64 bit minimal.
14:21 <@rxr> for x86, 32bit I guess the highest AMD option we currently offer would do
14:21 < keinek> and then make in t2 minimal 64 bit a full compilation por desktop?
14:23 < keinek> (in 64 bit i just see the best is "Optimised for AMD Athlon64" right?)
14:23 <@rxr> yes
14:23 < keinek> ok... too many question right :P
14:23 <@rxr> though you could also just download the last x86_64 releaseand Emerge what you need for your desktop
14:24 < keinek> no... i wanna do this from scracht
14:24 < keinek> i dont wanna download iso... i wanna compile all myself :)
14:24 < keinek> is more fun. :)
14:24 < keinek> but... you dont say me...
14:25 < keinek> (09:21:41) rxr: for x86, 32bit I guess the highest AMD option we currently offer would do
14:25 < keinek> would do?
14:25 <@rxr> if you want to build for 32bit
14:25 < keinek> there are tree athlon in 32bits?
14:25 <@rxr> there where many Athlon flavours by AMD
14:25 <@rxr> starting from the first Slot A ones, ...
14:25 <@rxr> they where 32bit
14:25 < keinek> I need both... i have 32 bits at work, and i wanna better performans at home ;)
14:26 < keinek> ok... but.. what is the higher ?
14:26 < keinek> in 32 bits for my amd x 2?
14:27 <@rxr> do you want to build it 2 times, or only one?
14:27 < keinek> athlon mt?
14:27 < keinek> athlon xp?
14:27 < keinek> athlon 4 <-- this is for quadcore amd?
14:27 < keinek> ok.. step by step.
14:27 < keinek> first... i wanna compile 32 bits.
14:28 < keinek> i then do a new compilation just for testing in 64 bits :)
14:30 < keinek> but i wanna know what different are in athlon xp, mt, 4
14:30 < keinek> what is the best option in 32 bits for this micro?
14:31 <@rxr> athlon 4 is athlon 4
14:31 <@rxr> nothing quad core, just the 4th gen athlon, ...
14:31 < keinek> ok ok sorry.
14:31 <@rxr> the differences are marginal, despite the ever increasing clock
14:32 <@rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon
14:32 <@rxr> what was your 32bit athlon at work?
14:33 < keinek> no... at work i have celeron D
14:33 < keinek> but i wanna compile first at home, a 32 bit for my amd.
14:34 < keinek> i then when i have a complete build with all the desktop packages, do a new cross compilation for 64 bits.
14:34 <@rxr> well your athlon is probably not in the 32bit list of t2
14:35 <@rxr> choosing the latest athlon in the 32bit list should be ok
14:35 <@rxr> you could change a common sub-set of your celeron and athlon (e.g. just 686) and use the same build on both, ...
14:36 < keinek> ok... so Optimised for AMD Athlon MP is the better option for my amd in 32 bits.
14:36 <@rxr> unless you add exactly your choose and see if it builds, ..
14:36 < keinek> rxr: i can compile a build optimised for both?
14:36 <@rxr> we only added the latest greatest 64bit CPUs to the x86-64 list, as few want a 32bit build these days, ...
14:37 < keinek> ok.
14:37 <@rxr> not optimized for both
14:37 <@rxr> just running on both
14:37 < keinek> ah ok.
14:37 <@rxr> but you will usually not spot the difference, it is in the single digit percent range
14:37 < keinek> is like optimiced for pentium mmx, that work in everthing.
14:37 < keinek> rxr: and for my netbook? i have a INTEL ATOM :)
14:38 < keinek> i have a eeepc 1000 ha
14:40 < keinek> what is the better option for ATOM, do you this chip in your nokia?
15:02 <@rxr> Atom
15:02 <@rxr> there should be an Atom option
15:06 < keinek> "Optimised for Intel Atom" Mmmm sorry...
15:06 < keinek> you right
15:07 < keinek> what you think about this micro?
15:07 <@rxr> Atom? sucks big time
15:07 <@rxr> I only have it because there was no other lightweight choise
15:07 <@rxr> would have gotten an AMD Neo X2, but too few vendors build nice machines with it
15:08 <@rxr> awaiting the new Bobcar silicon from AMD next year
15:08 < keinek> yeah...amd is one step behind
15:08 <@rxr> my z-series Atom sucks specifically, ... with it's memory controller and Pulsbou video it is even less performance than the regular variant
15:08 < keinek> i have Atom N270 processor
15:09 <@rxr> amd did not care about the low margin market that the chinese OEMs created
15:09 < keinek> i have this netbook: http://www.futurelooks.com/asus-eee-pc-1000ha-netbook-review/
15:09 <@rxr> and actually, frankly, most people I see with an EeePC a-like are mostly frustrated
15:09 <@rxr> by the sloopy UI experience, and the small screens
15:10 <@rxr> which is why I got the only high-res "Netbook" with digital video output
15:10 <@rxr> http://rene.rebe.de/2009-08-24/nokia-booklet-3g/
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15:24 < keinek> rxr: sorry my data plan was empty
15:24 < keinek> the last was:
15:25 < keinek> (10:09:38) rxr: amd did not care about the low margin market that the chinese OEMs created
15:25 < keinek> and i said:
15:25 < keinek> (10:09:40) keinek: i have this netbook: http://www.futurelooks.com/asus-eee-pc-1000ha-netbook-review/
15:25 < keinek> (10:10:06) keinek: but my keyboard is like vaio with the keys separate.
15:25 <@rxr> oh, I hope you do not stress your data plan too much
15:25 < keinek> today was the last day of 7 day.
15:26 < keinek> so... yesterday but a new card... and today... i use full download to killed
15:26 < keinek> :P
15:26 < keinek> i was finish download all Desktop package
15:26 < keinek> so today i will start the compilation :P
15:26 < keinek> the data plan die while download the generic sources.
15:26 < keinek> :)
15:27 < keinek> i have all i need ;)
16:13 <@rxr> :-)
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--- Log closed Wed Sep 15 00:00:49 2010