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07:44 < bfg> hikenboot: I had a look at python2.5 in T2. there are no docs included. However, you could reduce the installation size, by not including pyc, pyo and py files (just one of them py, pyc, pyo should be enough)
07:46 < bfg> should reduce the size of /usr/lib/python2.5 by about 2/3. (py, pyc and pyo are all roughly the same size)
07:47 < bfg> the headers are only 860k ... so it's not that big
07:48 < bfg> If you don't need idle, then you can remove it too.... is about 2.2M
07:48 < bfg> I guess the ctypes test folder is superfluous too... (about 900k)
07:49 < bfg> the regression tests included in python take 19M (again with py, pyc and pyo files).... they can be removed either (I guess)
07:51 < bfg> so python is down to 19M from 47M by removing pyo (or pyc files), idlelib, and tests.
08:58 < rxr> moin
09:06 < rxr> what do other distributions ship?
09:06 < rxr> +1 from me to shrinking out default install
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09:29 < mtr> moin
09:33 < mtr> bfg: thanks for fixing the clucene typos
09:41 < rxr> hey mtr
09:43 < mtr> hi rxr
09:46 < CIA-8> rene * r30658 /trunk/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * updated dcc (1.3.95 -> 1.3.97)
09:46 < CIA-8> mtr * r30660 /trunk/package/qt/qt-embedded/qt-embedded.desc: * updated qt-embedded (4.4.1 -> 4.4.3)
09:46 < CIA-8> mtr * r30659 /trunk/package/kde/qt4/qt4.desc: * updated qt4 (4.4.2 -> 4.4.3)
09:46 < CIA-8> rene * r30661 /trunk/package/base/lm_sensors/lm_sensors.desc: * updated lm_sensors (3.0.2 -> 3.0.3)
09:48 < CIA-8> mtr * r30662 /trunk/package/base/pam/pam.conf:
09:48 < CIA-8> * fixed pam cross-build, avoid temporary files outside
09:48 < CIA-8> allowed build dirs during configure
09:54 < CIA-8> rene * r30663 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (0.9.8.10 -> 0.9.9.3)
10:30 < bfg> mtr: no problem
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11:02 < mtr> r30571: changed hal build priority (150.000 -> 117.950)
11:03 < mtr> ^-- causes regression, hal build error:
11:03 < mtr> I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net....
11:04 < mtr> seems that hal needs docbookx build before
11:09 < rxr> maybe it's possible to move docbookx before the new hal pos
11:14 < mtr> yes, maybe, what was the reason to lower hal's priority?
11:18 < rxr> it was bfg I guess ?
11:18 < rxr> probably some dep ?
11:19 < bfg> yes... to enable hal support in some other lib
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11:20 < bfg> should be no problem to build docbookx earlier.... it depends on zip(unzip or libzip or whatever, tar, bz2 and libxslt which depends on libxml)
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11:24 < bfg> pcsc-lite requires hal
11:30 < rxr> maybe revert hal and reschedule pcsc-lite
11:30 < bfg> yes maybe, I was not sure where pcsc-lite is needed... I think there was a dependency, so I preferred to move hal insted of pcsc-lite
11:31 < bfg> normally I try to move to higher build priorities because the lower values are already quite crowded
11:31 < bfg> :)
11:33 < mtr> hmm, 'grep pcsc /var/adm/cache/*' returns nothing
11:33 < mtr> maybe an optional package depends on it
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11:38 < bfg_> I have it in ccid, libchipcard, pam_pkcs11, pcsc-tools, perl-chipcard and xscreensaver
11:38 < bfg_> (pcsc-lite)
11:39 < bfg_> on the other hand docbookx does not show up as dependency in hal
11:42 < mtr> hal tries to import some xsl stuff, but the network I/O fails
11:43 < mtr> I am not the x?l expert, but I guessed that loading the external xsl document is only necessary cause it is not installed locally
11:43 < bfg_> I'll try it
11:44 < bfg_> yes that's the reason for the xml/xsl catalog files
11:44 < bfg_> so that external uris can be mapped to local files
11:46 < bfg_> the one thing new in the hal configure script is, that it tries now to build the api-docs. which it did not try before i modifed the build priorities and docbook package
11:46 < rxr> maybe the hal xml dep is new and not yet in the cache
11:47 < rxr> mtr: the xslt fluff tries to fetch from network if it does not find the catalog locally ...
11:47 < bfg_> ok docbookx is now a dependency in my hal cache file
11:48 < bfg_> I wonder why it has not been there before
11:48 < rxr> because the .cache files are too old, sigh
11:48 < bfg_> no in my build before
11:48 < rxr> ah - ok - ... .-)
11:48 < bfg_> i just rebuilt hal now ... just to test what's happening
11:49 < bfg_> the first time i built it at the old priority.... and with the old docbookx package
11:49 < bfg_> but not docbookx dependency showed up
11:49 < bfg_> maybe it is also possible to quickfix hal by disabling api-docs manually in the .conf file
11:51 < bfg_> libxslt has priority 112.500 which is well before hal... so moving docbookx in front of hal should also be fine
11:54 < bfg_> I could imagine, that docbookx may make sense with a low build priority, because many packages use docbook to generate documentation (mauals, api-docs, man-pages, ....)
11:56 < mtr> so right after libxslt may be a good place for docbookx, I'll try 112.360
12:00 < bfg> i guess so
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12:04 < bfg> different topic: is it possible to share the same irc-session from multiple computers?
12:06 < rxr> hm
12:06 < rxr> if you use screen you could join the same "screen" from multiple computers ..
12:07 < bfg> that's the easy way :)
12:08 < rxr> not good enough ?
12:09 < koan> or you could run a irc bouncer on a machine which is permanently online
12:09 < bfg> no not good enough, but is ok.. :).
12:09 < bfg> never heard of irc bouncer... i will have a look for it
12:09 < koan> but I like screen + irssi more, many irc bouncers have incompatibilities or quirks with the backlog
12:10 < bfg> how about using irssi as some kind of proxy? I think i have read something about this a while ago, but i am not sure.
12:11 < koan> yes it's possible, but I haven't tried that yet
12:11 < koan> but if you have shell access on a server, starting irssi in screen is easy and gives you all you need
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12:12 < bfg> most of the time i have a couple of shell windows/tabs open... i try to reduce them a bit
12:13 < bfg> and I like some of the gui features, e.g. boucing icon, when a directly addressed message arrives aso....
12:13 < koan> then an irc bouncer would be something to look at
12:13 < bfg> I am not sure how to do this with irssi in a screen session
12:14 < koan> and your gui client connects to the bouncer
12:14 < bfg> i will have a look at that.. (or maybe irssi as some kind of proxy, then it should also be possible to fall back to a screen session :) )
12:15 < mtr> you may also try bip as irc proxy
12:16 < bfg> the about page of bip sounds nice :)
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16:25 < CIA-8> rene * r30664 /trunk/package/base/linux26/gcc3.patch: * fixed latest linux26 to build with some "slightly older" gcc 3.2.3
16:29 < CIA-8> rene * r30665 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (r8169-hotfix.patch r8169-update.patch):
16:29 < CIA-8> * imported all available linux26/r8169 hotfixes and updates, as
16:29 < CIA-8> otherwise the Intel Atom 330 D945GCLF2 board Realtek 10ec:8168 rev 02
16:29 < CIA-8> NIC is completely unfunctional
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