T2 IRC Log: 2008-09-28
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--- Log opened Sun Sep 28 00:00:40 2008
00:18 < CIA-8> gweis * r30629 /trunk/package/textproc/clucence/clucence.desc: * fixed homepage link for clucene
00:22 < CIA-8> gweis * r30630 /trunk/package/textproc/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * renamed clucence to clucene
00:26 < Ragnarin> rxr: what to do about the gcj/eclipse thing
00:26 < Ragnarin> ?
00:27 < bfg> even the gcc people are not sure how to deal with this dependency
00:27 < Ragnarin> then why on earth did they do it?
00:28 < bfg> it is much easier to use an already working sohisticated java parser than writing one by themselves :)
00:28 < bfg> there is a download script anywhere in the gcc source package, this should download the missing jar files and then it should be possible to compile a working gcj :)
00:29 < bfg> the sad thing is, that in the T2-BuildEnvironment such download things generally don't work
00:29 < Ragnarin> but the eclipse dl is 100megs
00:29 < bfg> the script in the gcc tar ball just downloads one jar file
00:29 < bfg> this is quite small
00:29 < Ragnarin> oh ok
00:30 < Ragnarin> bbut it doesn't seem to generate a ecj1 executable
00:30 < bfg> i don't remeber the name of the script... it is something like downladecj or whatever
00:30 < bfg> iirc the ecj executable is just a shell script wrapper around this jar file
00:32 < Ragnarin> well last time I built I got a lot of errors complaining it couldn't execvs ecj1
00:32 < bfg> the gcc mailinglist also does not provide much detail about this issue.... one group complains about this dependency and how ugly it is managed the other group does not say much about, just call the script and it works
00:33 < bfg> it's the same on my machine... and probably everyone who has not called this script before compiling gcc :)
00:33 < bfg> I have not tracked it down, whether ecj1 is only built if the jar files are available or not.... no clue
00:34 < bfg> as this download script did not work for me (because some upstream changes on the download ftp server), I gave up and now I am waiting for the next gcc release.... I gues it should be solved then
00:35 < bfg> but if some one wants to try :), he could have a look what this download script tries to download, and add it into the t2-build system (a separate additional downlad tag in the gcc.desc?) and place it in a preconf hook at the right position in the extracted gcc tar ball (i think this could work)
00:42 < Ragnarin> *sighs*
01:18 < CIA-8> gweis * r30631 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/base/runit/postsysfiles.in): * changed log uid and gid from 9 to 61
01:22 < CIA-8> gweis * r30632 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/base/sysfiles/etc_group.txt):
01:22 < CIA-8> * changed kmem gid from 7 to 9 (same as redhat)
01:22 < CIA-8> * added lp gid with id 7 (same as redhat)
01:23 < CIA-8> gweis * r30633 /trunk/package/graphic/libspectre/ (. libspectre.desc): * added libspectre (0.2.1) - Postscript rendering library.
01:24 < CIA-8> gweis * r30634 /trunk/package/graphic/libspectre/libspectre.cache: * added missing cache file for libspectre
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08:59 < Baldzius> moin
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11:41 < bfg> hi all
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13:02 < rxr> hi
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13:15 < bfg> hi rxr... from what kind of machine and configuration are the package infos generated at http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ ?
13:28 < rxr> directly from the SVN files
13:28 < rxr> you mean deps and build time size, I guess ?
13:31 < CIA-8> rene * r30635 /trunk/package/graphic/libspectre/ (libspectre.cache libspectre.desc):
13:31 < CIA-8> * changed libspectre build priority (127.750 -> 143.000), and
13:31 < CIA-8> tweaked .cache file (no gpl-ghostscript, anymore)
15:20 < hikenboot> bfg, you indicated you would check on a few things when you were in front of your computer..are you in front of your computer now ?
15:21 < hikenboot> bfg, I notice the python included with ubuntu is very small why do you think that is?
16:14 < bfg> hikenboot: ubuntu python 2.5 is roughly 45MB (python, devel, doc, examples)
16:14 < bfg> so it's about the same size :)
16:15 < bfg> I have seen, they have a python-minimal which is about 4MB, but I guess this misses a lot of the standard packages and extensions
16:16 < bfg> python 2.4 is a couple of MB smaller
16:17 < bfg> rxr: so those files are not generated by a reference test build? (especially the cache files)
16:18 < bfg> rxr: some time ago, there was a page with the results from a reference build machine.. is this page still available?
16:20 < bfg> hikenboot: sorry no, I am still not in front of or able to access my linux machine (it's powered down and nobody is near there to push the power button)
16:42 < hikenboot> ok thanks
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16:53 < toumou> hi all
16:53 < toumou> i'm new to t2 and I've a simple question
16:53 < toumou> for a cross compile target, is it possible to use a custom (foreign) toolchain ?
16:54 < toumou> and start building the target at stage 1 ?
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19:40 < rxr> bfg: the web site shows the trunk's .cache
19:40 < rxr> which are commited by all of use, which should usually be from reference builds
19:41 < rxr> toumou: only when you manaully inject it - we usually use T2 specifically to get a sane toolchain :-)
19:41 < rxr> bfg: which reference files are you looking for, flie lists, logs ?
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20:52 < mpp> e17 could use an update
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21:24 < rxr> mpp: wasn't it updated just some week(s) ag ?
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23:36 < bfg> rxr: no I was wondering, why the package index shows for instance akonadi building succesful. But on my machine it did not work. So I was not really looking for something special...
23:36 < bfg> I thought you or someone else has setup a machine where a reference build or whatever is initiated from time to time. So it would be interesting to have lso the error logs or even compile logs and maybe flists from there online. (couple of years ago, there was a such a "log-page")
--- Log closed Mon Sep 29 00:00:46 2008
00:18 < CIA-8> gweis * r30629 /trunk/package/textproc/clucence/clucence.desc: * fixed homepage link for clucene
00:22 < CIA-8> gweis * r30630 /trunk/package/textproc/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * renamed clucence to clucene
00:26 < Ragnarin> rxr: what to do about the gcj/eclipse thing
00:26 < Ragnarin> ?
00:27 < bfg> even the gcc people are not sure how to deal with this dependency
00:27 < Ragnarin> then why on earth did they do it?
00:28 < bfg> it is much easier to use an already working sohisticated java parser than writing one by themselves :)
00:28 < bfg> there is a download script anywhere in the gcc source package, this should download the missing jar files and then it should be possible to compile a working gcj :)
00:29 < bfg> the sad thing is, that in the T2-BuildEnvironment such download things generally don't work
00:29 < Ragnarin> but the eclipse dl is 100megs
00:29 < bfg> the script in the gcc tar ball just downloads one jar file
00:29 < bfg> this is quite small
00:29 < Ragnarin> oh ok
00:30 < Ragnarin> bbut it doesn't seem to generate a ecj1 executable
00:30 < bfg> i don't remeber the name of the script... it is something like downladecj or whatever
00:30 < bfg> iirc the ecj executable is just a shell script wrapper around this jar file
00:32 < Ragnarin> well last time I built I got a lot of errors complaining it couldn't execvs ecj1
00:32 < bfg> the gcc mailinglist also does not provide much detail about this issue.... one group complains about this dependency and how ugly it is managed the other group does not say much about, just call the script and it works
00:33 < bfg> it's the same on my machine... and probably everyone who has not called this script before compiling gcc :)
00:33 < bfg> I have not tracked it down, whether ecj1 is only built if the jar files are available or not.... no clue
00:34 < bfg> as this download script did not work for me (because some upstream changes on the download ftp server), I gave up and now I am waiting for the next gcc release.... I gues it should be solved then
00:35 < bfg> but if some one wants to try :), he could have a look what this download script tries to download, and add it into the t2-build system (a separate additional downlad tag in the gcc.desc?) and place it in a preconf hook at the right position in the extracted gcc tar ball (i think this could work)
00:42 < Ragnarin> *sighs*
01:18 < CIA-8> gweis * r30631 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/base/runit/postsysfiles.in): * changed log uid and gid from 9 to 61
01:22 < CIA-8> gweis * r30632 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/base/sysfiles/etc_group.txt):
01:22 < CIA-8> * changed kmem gid from 7 to 9 (same as redhat)
01:22 < CIA-8> * added lp gid with id 7 (same as redhat)
01:23 < CIA-8> gweis * r30633 /trunk/package/graphic/libspectre/ (. libspectre.desc): * added libspectre (0.2.1) - Postscript rendering library.
01:24 < CIA-8> gweis * r30634 /trunk/package/graphic/libspectre/libspectre.cache: * added missing cache file for libspectre
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08:59 < Baldzius> moin
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11:41 < bfg> hi all
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13:02 < rxr> hi
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13:15 < bfg> hi rxr... from what kind of machine and configuration are the package infos generated at http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ ?
13:28 < rxr> directly from the SVN files
13:28 < rxr> you mean deps and build time size, I guess ?
13:31 < CIA-8> rene * r30635 /trunk/package/graphic/libspectre/ (libspectre.cache libspectre.desc):
13:31 < CIA-8> * changed libspectre build priority (127.750 -> 143.000), and
13:31 < CIA-8> tweaked .cache file (no gpl-ghostscript, anymore)
15:20 < hikenboot> bfg, you indicated you would check on a few things when you were in front of your computer..are you in front of your computer now ?
15:21 < hikenboot> bfg, I notice the python included with ubuntu is very small why do you think that is?
16:14 < bfg> hikenboot: ubuntu python 2.5 is roughly 45MB (python, devel, doc, examples)
16:14 < bfg> so it's about the same size :)
16:15 < bfg> I have seen, they have a python-minimal which is about 4MB, but I guess this misses a lot of the standard packages and extensions
16:16 < bfg> python 2.4 is a couple of MB smaller
16:17 < bfg> rxr: so those files are not generated by a reference test build? (especially the cache files)
16:18 < bfg> rxr: some time ago, there was a page with the results from a reference build machine.. is this page still available?
16:20 < bfg> hikenboot: sorry no, I am still not in front of or able to access my linux machine (it's powered down and nobody is near there to push the power button)
16:42 < hikenboot> ok thanks
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16:53 < toumou> hi all
16:53 < toumou> i'm new to t2 and I've a simple question
16:53 < toumou> for a cross compile target, is it possible to use a custom (foreign) toolchain ?
16:54 < toumou> and start building the target at stage 1 ?
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19:40 < rxr> bfg: the web site shows the trunk's .cache
19:40 < rxr> which are commited by all of use, which should usually be from reference builds
19:41 < rxr> toumou: only when you manaully inject it - we usually use T2 specifically to get a sane toolchain :-)
19:41 < rxr> bfg: which reference files are you looking for, flie lists, logs ?
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20:52 < mpp> e17 could use an update
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21:24 < rxr> mpp: wasn't it updated just some week(s) ag ?
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23:36 < bfg> rxr: no I was wondering, why the package index shows for instance akonadi building succesful. But on my machine it did not work. So I was not really looking for something special...
23:36 < bfg> I thought you or someone else has setup a machine where a reference build or whatever is initiated from time to time. So it would be interesting to have lso the error logs or even compile logs and maybe flists from there online. (couple of years ago, there was a such a "log-page")
--- Log closed Mon Sep 29 00:00:46 2008