T2 IRC Log: 2007-10-10

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--- Log opened Wed Oct 10 00:00:45 2007
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07:37 < rxr> re
08:09 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/article.pl?sid=07/10/09/2056220&mode=thread&threshold=-1
08:31 < CIA-8> mtr * r26286 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr/ (vdr.conf vdr.desc):
08:31 < CIA-8> * updated vdr (1.4.7 -> 1.5.9)
08:31 < CIA-8> * added /video directory to the allowed top level root dirs
08:36 < rxr> hi mtr
08:50 < CIA-8> rene * r26287 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.desc: * updated gcc (4.2.1 -> 4.2.2)
09:13 < CIA-8> rene * r26290 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ruby.desc: * updated ruby (1.8.6-p110 -> 1.8.6-p111)
09:13 < CIA-8> rene * r26291 /trunk/package/archiver/dpkg/dpkg.desc: * updated dpkg (1.14.6 -> 1.14.7)
09:13 < CIA-8> rene * r26288 /trunk/package/graphic/ocropus/ocropus.desc: * updated ocropus (r65 -> r95)
09:13 < CIA-8> rene * r26289 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.9p5 -> 1.6.9p6)
09:14 < CIA-8> rene * r26292 /trunk/package/security/openvz-utils/openvz-utils.desc: * updated openvz-utils (3.0.13-3.0.8 -> 3.0.18-3.0.11)
09:16 < mtr> moin
09:16 < rxr> hihi mtr
09:16 < mtr> hi rxr
09:16 < mtr> thanks for the owb packaging
09:17 < rxr> yeah - it is still not perfect
09:17 < Ragnar|away> uhm owb eats memory
09:17 < rxr> but susan has so much other stuff to work on so she just comitted it before it really cross built ...
09:17 < Ragnar|away> gigs of it
09:17 < rxr> Ragnar|away: do we speak about the same ?
09:17 < rxr> hi hi Ragnar|away, btw
09:17 < mtr> hi Ragnar|away
09:18 < Ragnar|away> probably the stupid configure test for 'what does new do when it runs out of memory' by allocating memory until the process is killed ;P
09:18 < Ragnar|away> again
09:18 < Ragnar|away> *guesses*
09:18 < rxr> oh, during compilation you mean :-)
09:18 < Ragnar|away> yes
09:18 < rxr> yeah - this C++ toolset did the same crap ...
09:19 < rxr> ACE it was
09:19 < Ragnar|away> yes ace does the same crap
09:19 < rxr> ACE also tries to allocate memory until fail in configure /me headshake ...
09:19 < Ragnar|away> I think I even wrote the maintainers and they just bitched
09:19 < rxr> we should patch both ...
09:19 < rxr> hehe
09:19 < rxr> well - I even wrote ppc64-linux, as ace configure panics my G5 ...
09:19 < Ragnar|away> like 'wtf should we care what we crash your machine'
09:20 < rxr> well - it is not so much crashing
09:20 < rxr> (only the ppc64 kernel had some bug some time ago)
09:20 < Ragnar|away> well it killed sshd and other stuff
09:20 < rxr> but at least unresponsively overcomitting until OOM kill ..
09:20 < rxr> yeah, ...
09:20 < rxr> we should patch the crap ....
09:20 < Ragnar|away> yea
09:21 < rxr> but we need patch owb to cross build
09:21 < rxr> mtr: btw. we are working on a flash-like widget set based on C++ + Lua and Evas
09:21 < rxr> (well - later we'll replace Evas with out own canvas as Evas is not as good as we thought)
09:22 < rxr> mtr: we'll probably sooner than later add native webkit support to this combination
09:22 < rxr> I hope we can ship that at the end of this year
09:22 < rxr> because all the webkit stuff that is out there right now is quite mess IMHO and not that performant
09:22 < rxr> e.g. the iPhone does quite inteligent partial rendering and re-rendering on zoom
09:23 < rxr> (and yes, I got an iPhone to inspire me when I was in the US the last time :-)
09:23 < Ragnar|away> lol
09:23 < rxr> our Xvas (Evas canvas replacement) will be GPL with "commercial licensing option" ala MySQL or so ...
09:23 < rxr> Ragnar|away: ?
09:24 < Ragnar|away> the ()
09:24 < rxr> heh
09:24 < rxr> Ragnar|away: you can smile, you are sitting on the source of those gadgets .. :-)
09:24 < Ragnar|away> lol yea ;)
09:25 < rxr> in good old europe we have to wait and wait and wait until the stuff is already obsolete ...
09:25 < Ragnar|away> well now I'm going to lay in my bed instead ;)
09:25 < rxr> have a good night
09:25 < Ragnar|away> thanks ;) have a good day
09:25 < rxr> hm
09:25 < rxr> during buildign the new 2.6.23 kernel nearly every file yields:
09:25 < rxr> include/linux/mm.h:1210: warning: 'struct super_block' declared inside parameter list
09:25 < rxr> include/linux/mm.h:1210: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want
09:26 < rxr> Ragnar|away: thanks
09:26 < mtr> gn8 Ragnar|away
09:26 < Ragnar|away> 2.6.23? omg ;P
09:26 < rxr> yeah - it was released 10h ago or so ...
09:26 < Ragnar|away> this is getting ridiculous
09:27 < rxr> :-)
09:28 < rxr> In file included from fs/drop_caches.c:8:
09:28 < rxr> include/linux/mm.h:1210: warning: 'struct super_block' declared inside parameter list
09:28 < rxr> include/linux/mm.h:1210: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want
09:28 < rxr> fs/drop_caches.c:17: error: conflicting types for 'drop_pagecache_sb'
09:28 < rxr> include/linux/mm.h:1210: error: previous declaration of 'drop_pagecache_sb' was here
09:28 < rxr> fs/drop_caches.c:28: error: conflicting types for 'drop_pagecache_sb'
09:28 < rxr> include/linux/mm.h:1210: error: previous declaration of 'drop_pagecache_sb' was here
09:28 < rxr> heh
09:28 < rxr> is anyone of those freaky kernel hackery buidling with 4.2 or so ?!?!?!
09:28 < mtr> .oO
09:30 < rxr> arch/x86_64/kernel/setup64.c: In function 'setup_per_cpu_areas':
09:30 < rxr> arch/x86_64/kernel/setup64.c:103: warning: the address of 'contig_page_data' will always evaluate as 'true'
09:30 < rxr> 74arch/x86_64/kernel/setup64.c: In function 'setup_per_cpu_areas':
09:30 < rxr> arch/x86_64/kernel/setup64.c:103: warning: the address of 'contig_page_data' will always evaluate as 'true'
09:31 < rxr> ^- ieeek!
09:31 < rxr> whateve
09:31 < rxr> r
09:31 < rxr> I stop watching the log ...
09:32 < Ragnar|away> lol
09:34 < rxr> yeah
09:34 < rxr> maybe I should boot OS X instead
09:34 < rxr> (but on the 10.5-beta Mail.app stopped to work, freezes on launch)
10:02 < rxr> ^- sorry, above noise was not kernel, but unionfs's fault ...
10:26 [Users #t2]
10:26 [@ChanServ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ]
10:26 [ CIA-8 ] [ happycube ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
10:26 [ Dallur ] [ Key_Gena95] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
10:26 [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
10:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
10:27 < CIA-8> rene * r26293 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
10:27 < CIA-8> * really disable IKCONFIG (as we have a normal file in /boot)
10:27 < CIA-8> * enabled KEXEC by default (for those architectures suppporting it)
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11:11 < Enqlave> hi
11:13 < CIA-8> rene * r26294 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (applesmc.patch linux26.desc mactel.patch): * updated linux26 (2.6.22.9 -> 2.6.23)
11:14 < CIA-8> rene * r26295 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/ (pkg_linux_pre.conf unionfs.desc): * updated unionfs (0.2 -> 0.2-2.1.6), for 2.6.23
11:29 < rxr> re
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11:41 < Baldzius> morning
11:43 < rxr> moin moin Baldzius
11:43 < Enqlave> hi
11:45 < Baldzius> hi rxr , Enqlave
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11:45 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
11:57 < mtr> hi Baldzius
11:59 < mtr> pciutils fails here due to missing -lz, can someone confirm this? I would commit the patch then
11:59 < mtr> !> names.c:(.text+0x8d4): undefined reference to `gzopen'
11:59 < mtr> and lot more of undefined references to zlib
12:00 < Baldzius> hi mtr
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12:00 < rxr> we had some -lz patch in for it in the past
12:00 < rxr> mtr: guess it was dropped with some update
12:00 < rxr> just commit
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12:06 < rxr> mtr: btw. had pciutils update lingering around
12:07 < CIA-8> rene * r26296 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/ (cross.patch pciutils.desc): * updated pciutils (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
12:37 < CIA-8> rene * r26297 /trunk/package/graphic/seamstress/ (. seamstress.cache seamstress.desc): * added seamstress (1.0.0) - The seam carving library
12:42 < mtr> even the updated pciutils fails without manually adding -lz, so I'll commit the zlib.patch now
12:45 < CIA-8> mtr * r26298 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/zlib.patch: * fixed pciutils: libpci depends on zlib
13:09 < Baldzius> rxr: it seems that the packages file for distrowatch is generated incorrectly as there are a lotof outdated packages like php and others
13:26 < mtr> ;5~
13:36 < rxr> re
13:36 < rxr> ah - yes
13:36 < rxr> we might not update the package.txt file anymore since we changed to server-side dynamic generation of the packages/ content
13:36 < rxr> I'l fix this
13:36 < rxr> (by adding a dynamic cgi handler for this file, as welll
13:36 < rxr> thanks
13:37 < rxr> mtr: ok
13:45 < CIA-8> rene * r26299 /trunk/package/graphic/seamstress/seamstress.desc: * marked seamstress to cross build
14:08 < rxr> ok, index.txt cgi added
14:08 < rxr> I hope the distrowatch scripts are not confused by the text/html MIME type
14:09 < rxr> (as I would have to change more of our server side stuff to output another content type for just those content
14:09 < rxr> on the pro side: there now are dynamic index.txt for the older / stable trees, likewise: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/2.1/index.txt
14:09 < rxr> et al.
14:38 < CIA-8> rene * r26300 /trunk/scripts/Check-System:
14:38 < CIA-8> * do not error on missing SWAP, just warn
14:38 < CIA-8> (Virtual containers (OpenVZ et al.) might not even indicate swap
14:38 < CIA-8> to the individual containers, and other servers have GB of RAM
14:38 < CIA-8> these days, and more often without any swap at all.)
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15:09 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 7.0-rc released! | trunk heading for 8.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org
15:09 -!- Topic set by H4X [] [Tue Jun 26 17:57:25 2007]
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15:09 [ Baldzius] [ Enqlave ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
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15:09 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
15:09 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Nov 26 07:44:08 2006
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15:13 < rxr> hm
15:16 < rxr> wrong commands :_)
15:19 < rxr> btw., mtr: did you succeed in using freenx ?
15:20 < rxr> or suceed
15:20 < rxr> ok, dict says succeed :-)
15:24 < mtr> hmm, not really - I tried the nomachine nx server & client first,
15:26 < rxr> ok, I asked to know what expect when I take a new look on it the next days :-)
15:27 < mtr> setup was straight & easy, but then I had some problems with the nxclient on M$ V.i.s.t.a. :-(
15:27 < rxr> oh MS Vista :-)
15:28 < rxr> too bad the Sony TZ is so expensive, otherwise I would have a copy ... :-) So I only saw it a few times in stores ...
15:28 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2007-07-30/sony-ngw-tz-the-pretty-subnotebook-that-doesnt-wanna-be/
15:28 < rxr> figured 3000 EUR are better spent on a 8-core box in the office ...
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16:22 < rxr> zuw2/wwindows 187
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16:25 < kic-> re
16:33 < rxr> re
16:33 < rxr> hi kic-
16:53 < kic-> hiya
17:04 < CIA-8> rene * r26301 /trunk/package/editors/lyx/ (lyx.cache lyx.conf lyx.desc): * updated lyx (1.4.4 -> 1.5.2)
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17:29 < rxr> http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals/2007/09/msg40359.html
17:50 < CIA-8> rene * r26302 /trunk/package/lua/luajit/ (. luajit.cache luajit.conf luajit.desc): * added luajit (1.1.3) - A Just-In-Time Compiler for the Lua programming language
18:28 < CIA-8> rene * r26303 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/patches/ (pkg_coreutils.patch pkg_iproute2.patch):
18:28 < CIA-8> * rediffed dietlibc/patches/pkg_iproute2.patch and removed (hopefully)
18:28 < CIA-8> obsolete dietlibc/patches/pkg_coreutils.patch
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19:20 < kic-> hah
19:20 < kic-> scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none wine
19:20 < kic-> checking wine ... Not installed. Added.
19:21 < kic-> Packages scheduled to build: none
19:21 < kic-> #
19:21 < kic-> HEH
19:21 < kic-> :D
19:22 < Ragnar|away> *g*
19:23 -!- Ragnar|away is now known as Ragnarin
19:24 < kic-> gonna see if i can get WoW running on T2 with wine
19:24 < kic-> :D
19:24 < rxr> that is a known shortcomming, it's probably not part of the cached config
19:24 < kic-> if i can
19:24 < kic-> then i'm gonna use my 8core at home to play WoW on
19:25 < rxr> emerge will proabably build it when you run the renew the Config
19:25 < kic-> renew config?
19:25 < kic-> scripts/Config
19:25 < kic-> ?
19:29 < rxr> yes, once
19:29 < CIA-8> rene * r26304 /trunk/package/lua/luajit/ (luajit.conf luajit.desc):
19:29 < CIA-8> * fixed luajit for cross compilation and marked it CROSS and DIETLIBC
19:29 < CIA-8> (the later only for dietlibc with dynamic support and a proper config)
19:30 < rxr> oh, btw, do you build for x86-64 ?
19:30 < kic-> yes
19:30 < rxr> wine can only be build on 32bit "i386"
19:30 < kic-> oh
19:30 < kic-> =(
19:31 < kic-> pain
19:31 < kic-> heh
19:31 < rxr> yeah
19:31 < rxr> I'm frustated about that myself
19:31 < rxr> you can however use wine on a 64bit system
19:31 < rxr> but you need to build it for 32bit and also either build or install all sorts of 32bit libraries you normallyl don
19:31 < kic-> so i could change my config temporarily, emerge wine, then change it back
19:31 < rxr> 't have in your system
19:31 < rxr> it's that that easy
19:32 < kic-> hehe
19:32 < rxr> you need to build a whole library stack 32bit
19:32 < kic-> how nice
19:32 < kic-> ok
19:32 < rxr> from libjpeg, over libalsa, over libx11 and friends, etc. ...
19:32 < kic-> i'll wait till the weekend then
19:32 < kic-> actually
19:32 < rxr> advice: just install a 32bit T2 for wine
19:32 < kic-> i think i'm gonna put my i486 desktop iso
19:32 < kic-> on the 8core at home anyway
19:33 < rxr> ok - gotta go to a book store and dinner
19:34 < kic-> k, cu
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19:34 < rxr> cu
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19:34 [ Dallur ] [ happycube ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ]
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