T2 IRC Log: 2006-11-13
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--- Log opened Mon Nov 13 00:00:29 2006
00:29 < pamdirac> night
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04:59 < rxr> re
04:59 < rxr> moin all
05:18 < emte> moo
05:22 < rxr> hi emte
05:22 [Users #t2]
05:22 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ rxr ] [ zod]
05:22 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ sepp ]
05:22 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ valentin]
05:22 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
05:23 < CIA-5> rene * r20816 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.desc: * updated bash (3.2-3 -> 3.2-5)
05:23 < emte> hey
05:23 < CIA-5> rene * r20817 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.1.5 -> 2.1.6), and cleaned trailing spacing
05:26 < CIA-5> rene * r20818 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.24 -> 0.9.25)
05:35 < CIA-5> rene * r20819 /trunk/package/shells/fish/ (. fish.cache fish.desc): * added fish (1.22.1) - A shell focused on interactive use, discoverability, and user friendliness
05:38 < CIA-5> rene * r20820 /trunk/package/kde/smb4k/smb4k.desc: * updated smb4k (0.6.10 -> 0.7.4), fixed spacing and line wrapping
05:44 < sepp> quack
05:45 < emte> quack quack yourself
05:45 < emte> :P
05:45 < rxr> hey, moin sepp !
05:45 < sepp> :D
05:45 < sepp> moin rxr
05:45 < emte> i dont suppose anyone had any musings on my strip problem
05:46 < rxr> emte: musings ?
05:46 < emte> i havent had any time to solve it yet
05:46 < emte> thoughts, ideas, workarounds
05:48 < rxr> I do not remember it in detail
05:48 < rxr> dare to repost ?
05:48 < rxr> it was just with tinylogin ?
05:49 < emte> yeah but i expect it will/might showup elsewhere
05:49 < rxr> you prepared a t2 tinylogin package ?
05:50 < emte> yeah
05:50 < rxr> .desc and such
05:50 < rxr> emte: send it over in some way and I debug it
05:50 < emte> not desc
05:50 < emte> er wait
05:50 < rxr> rene [at] exactcode [dot] de
05:50 < emte> yeah .desc etc
05:51 < CIA-5> rene * r20821 /trunk/target/mini-live-kde/pkgsel:
05:51 < CIA-5> * let mini-live-kde just base on the minimal-xorg template
05:51 < CIA-5> * added the kde baseics (and qtparted) explicitly
05:52 < emte> sent
05:52 < emte> the error shows it compiles fine etc
05:53 < emte> its how its handling the strip call
05:54 < emte> as the Makefile explicitly calls strip ... either i need a workaround or to patch that to be correct
05:55 < emte> or i am missing something else
05:55 < rxr> http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music-makers-pt-3-thx-sound.html
06:01 < emte> i think the problem is that it runs strip without any flags and it's interpretation of the return is wrong
06:03 < emte> alto according to docs strip only has two returns
06:03 < emte> maybe it returns a fail condition without flags
06:04 < emte> in that case i would have to override or patch out the empty strip call
06:04 < emte> see that was easy to fix :)
06:10 < emte> hmm
06:10 < emte> i wonder if T2 is overriding STRIP ...
06:11 < rxr> it is defining STRIP, yes
06:11 < emte> can i suppress that and redefine it to STRIPTOOL
06:11 < emte> i am thinking this might be the problem
06:11 < emte> STRIP = $(STRIPTOOL) --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment $(PROG)
06:11 < emte> and T2 is overriding that
06:12 < emte> is my guess atm
06:12 < _Ragnar_> why should that matter? o_O
06:13 < rxr> emte: _Ragnar_: yes when defined at the command line make does not overwrite this variable ...
06:13 < _Ragnar_> yea sure
06:13 < emte> because 'strip' does not equal 'strip --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment $(PROG)'
06:13 < _Ragnar_> but why would the --remove-section matter? o_O
06:14 < rxr> emte: either patch this stupid STRIP call at the end away
06:14 < rxr> or we explicitly define STRIP to be empty
06:14 < rxr> T2 controls stripping in any case anyway
06:14 < emte> it looks like calling strip without any actions is a fail return
06:15 < emte> rxr, will do
06:16 < emte> nurd is proper for T2?
06:16 < rxr> nurd ?
06:16 < rxr> you also need to pass PREFIX to make install
06:17 < rxr> otherwise it appears to install into a $PWD/_install dir ... :-(
06:17 < emte> diff -Nurd
06:17 < rxr> ifndef $(PREFIX)
06:17 < rxr> PREFIX = `pwd`/_install
06:17 < rxr> endif
06:17 < rxr> the patch must be applyable with patch -p1
06:17 < rxr> thus carry either ./ or some-dir/ as prefix - the rest does not matter but we prefer unified diff
06:18 < emte> np, as for prefix, that is already handled in my case by other patches
06:19 < rxr> cat package/base/tinylogin/tinylogin.conf
06:19 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' "PREFIX=$root"
06:19 < emte> i'll drop that in to be friendly
06:19 < emte> :)
06:20 < rxr> I can commit the package, now :-)
06:20 < emte> you want my patch first?
06:20 < emte> since that one is generic
06:21 < emte> sent it to you
06:21 < emte> umm ... i havent checked to make sure it was right yet ...
06:22 < rxr> looks like mine :-)
06:23 < emte> i think you need to remove the .bad
06:23 < emte> ... wait you said p1
06:23 < emte> :)
06:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20822 /trunk/package/base/tinylogin/ (. strip.patch tinylogin.conf tinylogin.desc):
06:24 < CIA-5> Nigel Kostiuck:
06:24 < CIA-5> * added tinylogin (1.4) - Very small login utilities
06:24 < rxr> ^- test to buidl :-)
06:24 < rxr> build even
06:24 < rxr> thanks for the new package :-)
06:25 < emte> np, i needed it for familiar
06:26 < emte> i expect gpe might be a nightmare ...
06:30 < rxr> maybe
06:30 < rxr> we have it on our office TODO board for quite some time ...
06:30 < rxr> but susan did not yet found a free time slot to add it ...
06:30 < emte> you ever try to build it outside of OE?
06:31 < emte> even building it on a plain pc host is more than trivial
06:32 < emte> i've tried a few times, but have yet to get it to fully work
06:32 < emte> but it works well on small devices
06:33 < rxr> .oO
06:33 < rxr> sounds like much fun
06:35 < emte> i just want to modify the wifi network pannel to interface macchanger
06:36 < emte> interesting error
06:56 < emte> !> Found shared files with other packages:
06:56 < emte> !> sbin/sulogin: sysvinit tinylogin
06:57 < emte> thats expected ... so i need to suppress packaging one?
06:57 < _Ragnar_> yes
06:57 < _Ragnar_> or rename one
06:57 < _Ragnar_> like to /sbin/sulogin.tinylogin
06:58 < emte> ...
06:59 < rxr> emte: best disable sysvinit
06:59 < emte> i dont think sysvinit actually builds sulogin, it just links to it
06:59 < _Ragnar_> yea but it's needed for the startup scripts
06:59 < emte> correct
07:00 < _Ragnar_> so it better be there, if you have sysvinit or tinylogin installed, or both ;P
07:01 < emte> tinylogin provides it (as do other logins) but sysvinit shouldnt be packaging it ... atleast i dont think
07:01 < emte> but yeah i might have to go with rxr for the moment
07:02 < CIA-5> rene * r20823 /branches/6.0/package/base/uclibc/patches/gcc-200-uclibc-locale.patch: * merged r18312 from trunk: workaround for the uclibc gcc patch
07:08 < CIA-5> rene * r20824 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.desc: * updated dbus (0.95 -> 1.0.0)
07:10 < rxr> lol!: Gates-Player spielt keine Gates-Musik ? Spiegel Online berichtet über das neuste DRM-Chaos aus dem Hause Microsoft: »Der DRM-Irrwitz erreicht einen neuen Höhepunkt: Der neue Microsoft-Musikplayer Zune - angetreten als iPod-Konkurrent - "versteht" keine bei Microsofts MSN gekaufte Musik.
07:10 < rxr> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/tech/0,1518,446979,00.html
07:11 < _Ragnar_> *roofl*
07:12 < rxr> definetly ...
07:12 * rxr headshake
07:12 < CIA-5> luca * r20825 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
07:12 < CIA-5> * In the previous commit something went wrong with the diff;
07:12 < CIA-5> * actually configuration fixed by passing a "--without-gd" for
07:12 < CIA-5> * the toolchain and cross stages so that glibc doesn't build the
07:12 < CIA-5> * memusagestats binary that gets linked against host headers and
07:12 < CIA-5> * libraries
07:12 < _Ragnar_> drm industry commiting harakiry on themselves ;P
07:12 < _Ragnar_> kiri*
07:14 < CIA-5> luca * r20826 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * Fixes another diff problem
07:16 < rxr> argh
07:16 < rxr> hey freaks ...
07:17 < _Ragnar_> ;P
07:18 < rxr> my my - kids
07:19 < _Ragnar_> huh?
07:20 < CIA-5> rene * r20827 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
07:20 < CIA-5> * reverted r20825 and r20826, the code was fine as it was and converting
07:20 < CIA-5> the elif to else if ; fi does not make it prettier
07:20 < rxr> ^- ...
07:21 < _Ragnar_> oh *lol*
07:22 < rxr> I do nof find it that funny ... :-(
07:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20828 /trunk/target/mini-live-kde/ (7 files): * further cleaned the mini-live-kde skeleton and pkgsel
07:24 < _Ragnar_> dunno ... is luca your kid? o_o
07:25 * _Ragnar_ hugs rxr
07:29 < rxr> nope, just wanted to impress the attitude randomly chaning indentation and moving if's around for the fun of it .-)
07:30 * rxr has no kids ...
07:30 < rxr> (yet)
07:30 < emte> if he did T2 dev would be a lot slower
07:31 < rxr> heh - until then I hope our write acess people grow from the current about 20 to over 100 ...
07:31 < rxr> and thus t2 development sould actually be even more accelerated
07:32 < emte> btw i was wrong
07:32 < rxr> about?
07:32 < emte> sysvinit does actually have it's own sulogin
07:33 < emte> i wonder ..
07:34 < emte> aha!
07:34 < emte> For some known distributions we do not build all programs, otherwise we do.
07:36 < _Ragnar_> ;P
07:55 < emte> you know ... its funny
07:56 < CIA-5> sebastian * r20829 /trunk/package/graphic/makehuman/makehuman.desc: * updated makehuman (0.8 -> 0.9)
07:56 < emte> hmm on second thought ...
08:12 < emte> okay i give up
08:12 < rxr> with what ?
08:12 < emte> i am trying to figure out how to: DISTRO=$target
08:12 < emte> so that DISTRO is set to a usable variable
08:13 < emte> in my case $target happens to be the same as what i want
08:14 < emte> i thought var_append or hook_add might do it
08:14 < emte> but so farthey havent
08:23 < rxr> as in the tinylogin.conf
08:23 < rxr> var_append makeopt ' ' 'DISTRO=whatever'
08:23 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' 'DISTRO=whatever'
08:23 < rxr> one or both - deending where you need it
08:23 < emte> for sysvinit
08:23 < emte> both those didnt work
08:27 < emte> hmm ...
08:37 < rxr> mtr: any chance to visit linux world expo in cologne the next days ?
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08:52 < rxr> hi sepp_
08:52 < rxr> sepp: any chance to visit linux world expo in cologne the next days ?
08:53 < _Ragnar_> back
08:55 < sepp_> me?
08:55 < sepp_> i don't know what i should do there
08:55 < sepp_> http://83.129.192.196/mh-0.9.jpg :)
08:59 < rxr> present t2, talk with other OSS people, and so on ...
09:00 < emte> :)
09:03 < sepp_> i would visit it if it would be in berlin, i have no car and cologne and sucking german railway crap ...
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09:06 < CIA-5> susan * r20830 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-speech/gnome-speech.desc: * updated gnome-speech (0.4.5 -> 0.4.6)
09:06 < CIA-5> susan * r20831 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-utils/gnome-utils.desc: * updated gnome-utils (2.16.1 -> 2.16.2)
09:07 < CIA-5> susan * r20832 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfs/gnome-vfs.desc: * updated gnome-vfs (2.16.1 -> 2.16.2)
09:07 < CIA-5> susan * r20833 /trunk/package/gnome2/goffice/goffice.desc: * updated goffice (0.2.1 -> 0.2.2)
09:14 < sepp> have to run away to buy new coffee, someone made it all disappear :/
09:25 < emte> this makes no sense ...
09:26 < emte> i hard coded the variable and it still doesnt work
09:28 < rxr> emte: you mean the file is still there ?
09:28 < rxr> that might be cecause the flists are accumulated
09:28 < rxr> you need to uninstall the pkg in the sandbox if you want to wipe the flist
09:28 < emte> no, i mean that ifeq ($(DISTRO),blah) never gets evaluated in the sysvinit Makefile
09:29 < emte> it always builds ($(DISTRO),)
09:29 < emte> no matter if you even hard code it to soemthing else
09:34 < _Ragnar_> btw rxr: the mixed 64/old 32 system works fine ;) gonna phase out the 32bit stuff when all users have migrated their stuff
09:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: :-)
09:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: dare to fill out your entry in http://t2-project.org/peoples.html (--typos)?
09:44 < rxr> I hate gtk+ crap ..
09:44 < rxr> why the g*ll are more often than not file open/save dialogs just hanging in inkscape ...
09:44 < rxr> this is soooooo annoying ...
09:44 < rxr> when this continus this way I'm off to xara extreme sooner than later ...
09:45 < rxr> (when opening and saving files becomes an adventure ...)
09:45 < emte> not had issues myself
09:46 < rxr> me neither in the past ...
09:47 < rxr> but as far as I can see gnome is continusly degrading in terms of stability and performance since gnome 1.4 or so when it was my desktop environment for the last time
09:50 < rxr> lol: "A very beta source tarball is available for download. Please see the fine instructions for the best way to fetch and install the code. You will need perl, and likely a unix-like shell. For a one-click windows installer, please send a self-addressed stamped envelope and a large pile of cash. " <- http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/vectorsection/#download
09:51 < sepp> xara xtreme would be quite nice, but the gtk backend of wx has more bugs than working things
09:53 < rxr> yeah - with gtk in the name this is no suprise ...
09:54 < sepp> and the xara guys do not care, they say - oh it is only gtk-critical error on stderr - go away
09:55 < rxr> heh
09:56 < rxr> xara
09:56 < rxr> #!/bin/sh
09:56 < rxr> xara-bin 2> /dev/null
09:56 < rxr> problem solved :-)
09:58 < rxr> the best thing ever was some Easy Software support guy we mailed about 4-5 years ago about a problem with CUPS and MD5 Unix password
09:58 < rxr> this guy responded "MD5 password crypt? Never seen that - which Unix a-like does use that? Go away ..."
09:59 < emte> he musta been "like sha!" :P
09:59 < emte> sorry bad pun
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10:46 < rxr> need yet another Linux FS?: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/spadfs/
10:47 < emte> Uses crash counts instead of journaling ... so it crashes a lot?
10:49 < rxr> he claims it is "anothe way to avoid fsck" by storing some info in a crash-table ...
10:49 < rxr> less complex and error prone than journaling - he claims ...
10:50 < emte> spadfsck so why does he have that command?
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10:51 < emte> * Spadfsck incorrectly clears error flags even if 'N' was answered to some question.
10:51 < emte> * If you delete file but keep it open, call sync, and reset, there will be lost blocks.
10:51 < emte> nice bugs
10:52 < rxr> yeah ...
10:53 < rxr> this was just a notification post, I just noticed it thru freshmeat myself ...
10:53 < emte> sounds as bad as rieserfs
10:53 < rxr> not that anyone think I wanna recomment it ...
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11:11 < pamdirac> giorno
11:21 < rxr> moni pamdirac
11:21 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster.png
11:21 < rxr> ^- for linux world expo, comments anyone ?
11:28 [Users #t2]
11:28 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ pamdirac] [ valentin]
11:28 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ zod ]
11:28 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
11:28 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
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11:37 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-archs.png
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11:40 < sherniux> Baldzius
11:40 < Baldzius> ka
11:40 < sherniux> esi
11:40 < Baldzius> no
11:40 < sherniux> nz
11:40 < sherniux> ble
11:41 < sherniux> i na
11:41 < sherniux> kas che ble bazarina?
11:43 < rxr> moin Baldzius
11:43 < rxr> Baldzius: a good time to comment on the posters for the Linux World Expo:
11:43 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-archs.png
11:43 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster.png
11:44 < rxr> printed A0 or A1 sized of course ...
11:44 < rxr> comments just taken in the 20 minutes as I have to hurry printing then ...
11:45 < rxr> no complaints taken thereafter ...
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11:51 < mtr> moin
11:52 < rxr> moin mtr
11:52 < mtr> rxr: nice posters ;-)
11:57 < mtr> rxr: hopefully i will be in cologne at least for one day, wed or thu
12:08 < rxr> would be nice
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12:52 < Stelz> re all
13:43 < rxr> re
13:43 < rxr> hi Stelz
13:47 < CIA-5> susan * r20834 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.12 -> 1.7.13)
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17:27 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ Stelz]
17:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
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18:08 < misl> hi folks
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18:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
18:14 < rxr> hi misl and Stelz
18:14 < Stelz> rehi rxr
18:14 < rxr> so - off of office, over 12h workday is enough :-)
18:14 < rxr> cu all
18:15 < rxr> but maybe less frequent as we will be on fairs the next 4 days
19:13 < _Ragnar_> o_o
19:50 < emte> okay now sysvinit is behaving ...
19:50 < _Ragnar_> *g*
19:50 < _Ragnar_> how did you change it?
19:51 < emte> well i changed it 3 ways
19:51 < emte> now i need to narrow it down to one
19:53 < emte> but i am guessing the problem must have been as rxr said ... files laying around from previous build attempts. i was under the impression that scripts/Cleanup -cache and scripts/Cleanup would remove any evils
19:53 < emte> but i guess not
19:53 < emte> scripts/Cleanup -full and rebuilding everything worked
20:00 < _Ragnar_> ok :)
20:06 < emte> now i am trying to decide the best way to handle this
20:07 < _Ragnar_> what is the problem atm?
20:08 < emte> never really written bash shell scripts
20:08 < emte> always prefered csh/tcsh
20:09 < emte> i am hoping this is right by example
20:09 < emte> if [ "$target" == "familiar" ]; then
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20:22 < _Ragnar_> ah o_o ok
20:25 < emte> hopefully thats gonna work how i expect since i started the build
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00:29 < pamdirac> night
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04:59 < rxr> re
04:59 < rxr> moin all
05:18 < emte> moo
05:22 < rxr> hi emte
05:22 [Users #t2]
05:22 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ rxr ] [ zod]
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05:22 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ valentin]
05:22 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
05:23 < CIA-5> rene * r20816 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.desc: * updated bash (3.2-3 -> 3.2-5)
05:23 < emte> hey
05:23 < CIA-5> rene * r20817 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.1.5 -> 2.1.6), and cleaned trailing spacing
05:26 < CIA-5> rene * r20818 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.24 -> 0.9.25)
05:35 < CIA-5> rene * r20819 /trunk/package/shells/fish/ (. fish.cache fish.desc): * added fish (1.22.1) - A shell focused on interactive use, discoverability, and user friendliness
05:38 < CIA-5> rene * r20820 /trunk/package/kde/smb4k/smb4k.desc: * updated smb4k (0.6.10 -> 0.7.4), fixed spacing and line wrapping
05:44 < sepp> quack
05:45 < emte> quack quack yourself
05:45 < emte> :P
05:45 < rxr> hey, moin sepp !
05:45 < sepp> :D
05:45 < sepp> moin rxr
05:45 < emte> i dont suppose anyone had any musings on my strip problem
05:46 < rxr> emte: musings ?
05:46 < emte> i havent had any time to solve it yet
05:46 < emte> thoughts, ideas, workarounds
05:48 < rxr> I do not remember it in detail
05:48 < rxr> dare to repost ?
05:48 < rxr> it was just with tinylogin ?
05:49 < emte> yeah but i expect it will/might showup elsewhere
05:49 < rxr> you prepared a t2 tinylogin package ?
05:50 < emte> yeah
05:50 < rxr> .desc and such
05:50 < rxr> emte: send it over in some way and I debug it
05:50 < emte> not desc
05:50 < emte> er wait
05:50 < rxr> rene [at] exactcode [dot] de
05:50 < emte> yeah .desc etc
05:51 < CIA-5> rene * r20821 /trunk/target/mini-live-kde/pkgsel:
05:51 < CIA-5> * let mini-live-kde just base on the minimal-xorg template
05:51 < CIA-5> * added the kde baseics (and qtparted) explicitly
05:52 < emte> sent
05:52 < emte> the error shows it compiles fine etc
05:53 < emte> its how its handling the strip call
05:54 < emte> as the Makefile explicitly calls strip ... either i need a workaround or to patch that to be correct
05:55 < emte> or i am missing something else
05:55 < rxr> http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music-makers-pt-3-thx-sound.html
06:01 < emte> i think the problem is that it runs strip without any flags and it's interpretation of the return is wrong
06:03 < emte> alto according to docs strip only has two returns
06:03 < emte> maybe it returns a fail condition without flags
06:04 < emte> in that case i would have to override or patch out the empty strip call
06:04 < emte> see that was easy to fix :)
06:10 < emte> hmm
06:10 < emte> i wonder if T2 is overriding STRIP ...
06:11 < rxr> it is defining STRIP, yes
06:11 < emte> can i suppress that and redefine it to STRIPTOOL
06:11 < emte> i am thinking this might be the problem
06:11 < emte> STRIP = $(STRIPTOOL) --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment $(PROG)
06:11 < emte> and T2 is overriding that
06:12 < emte> is my guess atm
06:12 < _Ragnar_> why should that matter? o_O
06:13 < rxr> emte: _Ragnar_: yes when defined at the command line make does not overwrite this variable ...
06:13 < _Ragnar_> yea sure
06:13 < emte> because 'strip' does not equal 'strip --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment $(PROG)'
06:13 < _Ragnar_> but why would the --remove-section matter? o_O
06:14 < rxr> emte: either patch this stupid STRIP call at the end away
06:14 < rxr> or we explicitly define STRIP to be empty
06:14 < rxr> T2 controls stripping in any case anyway
06:14 < emte> it looks like calling strip without any actions is a fail return
06:15 < emte> rxr, will do
06:16 < emte> nurd is proper for T2?
06:16 < rxr> nurd ?
06:16 < rxr> you also need to pass PREFIX to make install
06:17 < rxr> otherwise it appears to install into a $PWD/_install dir ... :-(
06:17 < emte> diff -Nurd
06:17 < rxr> ifndef $(PREFIX)
06:17 < rxr> PREFIX = `pwd`/_install
06:17 < rxr> endif
06:17 < rxr> the patch must be applyable with patch -p1
06:17 < rxr> thus carry either ./ or some-dir/ as prefix - the rest does not matter but we prefer unified diff
06:18 < emte> np, as for prefix, that is already handled in my case by other patches
06:19 < rxr> cat package/base/tinylogin/tinylogin.conf
06:19 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' "PREFIX=$root"
06:19 < emte> i'll drop that in to be friendly
06:19 < emte> :)
06:20 < rxr> I can commit the package, now :-)
06:20 < emte> you want my patch first?
06:20 < emte> since that one is generic
06:21 < emte> sent it to you
06:21 < emte> umm ... i havent checked to make sure it was right yet ...
06:22 < rxr> looks like mine :-)
06:23 < emte> i think you need to remove the .bad
06:23 < emte> ... wait you said p1
06:23 < emte> :)
06:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20822 /trunk/package/base/tinylogin/ (. strip.patch tinylogin.conf tinylogin.desc):
06:24 < CIA-5> Nigel Kostiuck
06:24 < CIA-5> * added tinylogin (1.4) - Very small login utilities
06:24 < rxr> ^- test to buidl :-)
06:24 < rxr> build even
06:24 < rxr> thanks for the new package :-)
06:25 < emte> np, i needed it for familiar
06:26 < emte> i expect gpe might be a nightmare ...
06:30 < rxr> maybe
06:30 < rxr> we have it on our office TODO board for quite some time ...
06:30 < rxr> but susan did not yet found a free time slot to add it ...
06:30 < emte> you ever try to build it outside of OE?
06:31 < emte> even building it on a plain pc host is more than trivial
06:32 < emte> i've tried a few times, but have yet to get it to fully work
06:32 < emte> but it works well on small devices
06:33 < rxr> .oO
06:33 < rxr> sounds like much fun
06:35 < emte> i just want to modify the wifi network pannel to interface macchanger
06:36 < emte> interesting error
06:56 < emte> !> Found shared files with other packages:
06:56 < emte> !> sbin/sulogin: sysvinit tinylogin
06:57 < emte> thats expected ... so i need to suppress packaging one?
06:57 < _Ragnar_> yes
06:57 < _Ragnar_> or rename one
06:57 < _Ragnar_> like to /sbin/sulogin.tinylogin
06:58 < emte> ...
06:59 < rxr> emte: best disable sysvinit
06:59 < emte> i dont think sysvinit actually builds sulogin, it just links to it
06:59 < _Ragnar_> yea but it's needed for the startup scripts
06:59 < emte> correct
07:00 < _Ragnar_> so it better be there, if you have sysvinit or tinylogin installed, or both ;P
07:01 < emte> tinylogin provides it (as do other logins) but sysvinit shouldnt be packaging it ... atleast i dont think
07:01 < emte> but yeah i might have to go with rxr for the moment
07:02 < CIA-5> rene * r20823 /branches/6.0/package/base/uclibc/patches/gcc-200-uclibc-locale.patch: * merged r18312 from trunk: workaround for the uclibc gcc patch
07:08 < CIA-5> rene * r20824 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.desc: * updated dbus (0.95 -> 1.0.0)
07:10 < rxr> lol!: Gates-Player spielt keine Gates-Musik ? Spiegel Online berichtet über das neuste DRM-Chaos aus dem Hause Microsoft: »Der DRM-Irrwitz erreicht einen neuen Höhepunkt: Der neue Microsoft-Musikplayer Zune - angetreten als iPod-Konkurrent - "versteht" keine bei Microsofts MSN gekaufte Musik.
07:10 < rxr> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/tech/0,1518,446979,00.html
07:11 < _Ragnar_> *roofl*
07:12 < rxr> definetly ...
07:12 * rxr headshake
07:12 < CIA-5> luca * r20825 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
07:12 < CIA-5> * In the previous commit something went wrong with the diff;
07:12 < CIA-5> * actually configuration fixed by passing a "--without-gd" for
07:12 < CIA-5> * the toolchain and cross stages so that glibc doesn't build the
07:12 < CIA-5> * memusagestats binary that gets linked against host headers and
07:12 < CIA-5> * libraries
07:12 < _Ragnar_> drm industry commiting harakiry on themselves ;P
07:12 < _Ragnar_> kiri*
07:14 < CIA-5> luca * r20826 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * Fixes another diff problem
07:16 < rxr> argh
07:16 < rxr> hey freaks ...
07:17 < _Ragnar_> ;P
07:18 < rxr> my my - kids
07:19 < _Ragnar_> huh?
07:20 < CIA-5> rene * r20827 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
07:20 < CIA-5> * reverted r20825 and r20826, the code was fine as it was and converting
07:20 < CIA-5> the elif to else if ; fi does not make it prettier
07:20 < rxr> ^- ...
07:21 < _Ragnar_> oh *lol*
07:22 < rxr> I do nof find it that funny ... :-(
07:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20828 /trunk/target/mini-live-kde/ (7 files): * further cleaned the mini-live-kde skeleton and pkgsel
07:24 < _Ragnar_> dunno ... is luca your kid? o_o
07:25 * _Ragnar_ hugs rxr
07:29 < rxr> nope, just wanted to impress the attitude randomly chaning indentation and moving if's around for the fun of it .-)
07:30 * rxr has no kids ...
07:30 < rxr> (yet)
07:30 < emte> if he did T2 dev would be a lot slower
07:31 < rxr> heh - until then I hope our write acess people grow from the current about 20 to over 100 ...
07:31 < rxr> and thus t2 development sould actually be even more accelerated
07:32 < emte> btw i was wrong
07:32 < rxr> about?
07:32 < emte> sysvinit does actually have it's own sulogin
07:33 < emte> i wonder ..
07:34 < emte> aha!
07:34 < emte> For some known distributions we do not build all programs, otherwise we do.
07:36 < _Ragnar_> ;P
07:55 < emte> you know ... its funny
07:56 < CIA-5> sebastian * r20829 /trunk/package/graphic/makehuman/makehuman.desc: * updated makehuman (0.8 -> 0.9)
07:56 < emte> hmm on second thought ...
08:12 < emte> okay i give up
08:12 < rxr> with what ?
08:12 < emte> i am trying to figure out how to: DISTRO=$target
08:12 < emte> so that DISTRO is set to a usable variable
08:13 < emte> in my case $target happens to be the same as what i want
08:14 < emte> i thought var_append or hook_add might do it
08:14 < emte> but so farthey havent
08:23 < rxr> as in the tinylogin.conf
08:23 < rxr> var_append makeopt ' ' 'DISTRO=whatever'
08:23 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' 'DISTRO=whatever'
08:23 < rxr> one or both - deending where you need it
08:23 < emte> for sysvinit
08:23 < emte> both those didnt work
08:27 < emte> hmm ...
08:37 < rxr> mtr: any chance to visit linux world expo in cologne the next days ?
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08:52 < rxr> hi sepp_
08:52 < rxr> sepp: any chance to visit linux world expo in cologne the next days ?
08:53 < _Ragnar_> back
08:55 < sepp_> me?
08:55 < sepp_> i don't know what i should do there
08:55 < sepp_> http://83.129.192.196/mh-0.9.jpg :)
08:59 < rxr> present t2, talk with other OSS people, and so on ...
09:00 < emte> :)
09:03 < sepp_> i would visit it if it would be in berlin, i have no car and cologne and sucking german railway crap ...
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09:06 < CIA-5> susan * r20830 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-speech/gnome-speech.desc: * updated gnome-speech (0.4.5 -> 0.4.6)
09:06 < CIA-5> susan * r20831 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-utils/gnome-utils.desc: * updated gnome-utils (2.16.1 -> 2.16.2)
09:07 < CIA-5> susan * r20832 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfs/gnome-vfs.desc: * updated gnome-vfs (2.16.1 -> 2.16.2)
09:07 < CIA-5> susan * r20833 /trunk/package/gnome2/goffice/goffice.desc: * updated goffice (0.2.1 -> 0.2.2)
09:14 < sepp> have to run away to buy new coffee, someone made it all disappear :/
09:25 < emte> this makes no sense ...
09:26 < emte> i hard coded the variable and it still doesnt work
09:28 < rxr> emte: you mean the file is still there ?
09:28 < rxr> that might be cecause the flists are accumulated
09:28 < rxr> you need to uninstall the pkg in the sandbox if you want to wipe the flist
09:28 < emte> no, i mean that ifeq ($(DISTRO),blah) never gets evaluated in the sysvinit Makefile
09:29 < emte> it always builds ($(DISTRO),)
09:29 < emte> no matter if you even hard code it to soemthing else
09:34 < _Ragnar_> btw rxr: the mixed 64/old 32 system works fine ;) gonna phase out the 32bit stuff when all users have migrated their stuff
09:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: :-)
09:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: dare to fill out your entry in http://t2-project.org/peoples.html (--typos)?
09:44 < rxr> I hate gtk+ crap ..
09:44 < rxr> why the g*ll are more often than not file open/save dialogs just hanging in inkscape ...
09:44 < rxr> this is soooooo annoying ...
09:44 < rxr> when this continus this way I'm off to xara extreme sooner than later ...
09:45 < rxr> (when opening and saving files becomes an adventure ...)
09:45 < emte> not had issues myself
09:46 < rxr> me neither in the past ...
09:47 < rxr> but as far as I can see gnome is continusly degrading in terms of stability and performance since gnome 1.4 or so when it was my desktop environment for the last time
09:50 < rxr> lol: "A very beta source tarball is available for download. Please see the fine instructions for the best way to fetch and install the code. You will need perl, and likely a unix-like shell. For a one-click windows installer, please send a self-addressed stamped envelope and a large pile of cash. " <- http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/vectorsection/#download
09:51 < sepp> xara xtreme would be quite nice, but the gtk backend of wx has more bugs than working things
09:53 < rxr> yeah - with gtk in the name this is no suprise ...
09:54 < sepp> and the xara guys do not care, they say - oh it is only gtk-critical error on stderr - go away
09:55 < rxr> heh
09:56 < rxr> xara
09:56 < rxr> #!/bin/sh
09:56 < rxr> xara-bin 2> /dev/null
09:56 < rxr> problem solved :-)
09:58 < rxr> the best thing ever was some Easy Software support guy we mailed about 4-5 years ago about a problem with CUPS and MD5 Unix password
09:58 < rxr> this guy responded "MD5 password crypt? Never seen that - which Unix a-like does use that? Go away ..."
09:59 < emte> he musta been "like sha!" :P
09:59 < emte> sorry bad pun
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10:46 < rxr> need yet another Linux FS?: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/spadfs/
10:47 < emte> Uses crash counts instead of journaling ... so it crashes a lot?
10:49 < rxr> he claims it is "anothe way to avoid fsck" by storing some info in a crash-table ...
10:49 < rxr> less complex and error prone than journaling - he claims ...
10:50 < emte> spadfsck so why does he have that command?
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10:51 < emte> * Spadfsck incorrectly clears error flags even if 'N' was answered to some question.
10:51 < emte> * If you delete file but keep it open, call sync, and reset, there will be lost blocks.
10:51 < emte> nice bugs
10:52 < rxr> yeah ...
10:53 < rxr> this was just a notification post, I just noticed it thru freshmeat myself ...
10:53 < emte> sounds as bad as rieserfs
10:53 < rxr> not that anyone think I wanna recomment it ...
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11:11 < pamdirac> giorno
11:21 < rxr> moni pamdirac
11:21 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster.png
11:21 < rxr> ^- for linux world expo, comments anyone ?
11:28 [Users #t2]
11:28 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ pamdirac] [ valentin]
11:28 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ zod ]
11:28 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
11:28 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
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11:37 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-archs.png
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11:40 < sherniux> Baldzius
11:40 < Baldzius> ka
11:40 < sherniux> esi
11:40 < Baldzius> no
11:40 < sherniux> nz
11:40 < sherniux> ble
11:41 < sherniux> i na
11:41 < sherniux> kas che ble bazarina?
11:43 < rxr> moin Baldzius
11:43 < rxr> Baldzius: a good time to comment on the posters for the Linux World Expo:
11:43 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-archs.png
11:43 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster.png
11:44 < rxr> printed A0 or A1 sized of course ...
11:44 < rxr> comments just taken in the 20 minutes as I have to hurry printing then ...
11:45 < rxr> no complaints taken thereafter ...
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11:51 < mtr> moin
11:52 < rxr> moin mtr
11:52 < mtr> rxr: nice posters ;-)
11:57 < mtr> rxr: hopefully i will be in cologne at least for one day, wed or thu
12:08 < rxr> would be nice
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12:52 < Stelz> re all
13:43 < rxr> re
13:43 < rxr> hi Stelz
13:47 < CIA-5> susan * r20834 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.12 -> 1.7.13)
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18:08 < misl> hi folks
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18:14 < rxr> hi misl and Stelz
18:14 < Stelz> rehi rxr
18:14 < rxr> so - off of office, over 12h workday is enough :-)
18:14 < rxr> cu all
18:15 < rxr> but maybe less frequent as we will be on fairs the next 4 days
19:13 < _Ragnar_> o_o
19:50 < emte> okay now sysvinit is behaving ...
19:50 < _Ragnar_> *g*
19:50 < _Ragnar_> how did you change it?
19:51 < emte> well i changed it 3 ways
19:51 < emte> now i need to narrow it down to one
19:53 < emte> but i am guessing the problem must have been as rxr said ... files laying around from previous build attempts. i was under the impression that scripts/Cleanup -cache and scripts/Cleanup would remove any evils
19:53 < emte> but i guess not
19:53 < emte> scripts/Cleanup -full and rebuilding everything worked
20:00 < _Ragnar_> ok :)
20:06 < emte> now i am trying to decide the best way to handle this
20:07 < _Ragnar_> what is the problem atm?
20:08 < emte> never really written bash shell scripts
20:08 < emte> always prefered csh/tcsh
20:09 < emte> i am hoping this is right by example
20:09 < emte> if [ "$target" == "familiar" ]; then
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20:22 < _Ragnar_> ah o_o ok
20:25 < emte> hopefully thats gonna work how i expect since i started the build
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