--- Log opened Thu Jan 05 00:00:33 2006
00:01 < mnemoc> YeT2: that is a almost-native build dietlibc-based
00:04 < YeT2> mnemoc: what do mean with "almost-native" ?
00:04 < mnemoc> same arch, different libc
00:05 < YeT2> khhh ... as i can see : challenging :)
00:05 < mnemoc> but treated as native, so the build continues until stage 8, not just stage 1
00:05 < mnemoc> nah, just perl stinks
00:06 < mnemoc> to crossbuild perl want to connect via ssh to a machine of the target arch
00:06 < mnemoc> and ofcourse we don't want to do that
00:07 < YeT2> yeahh ... not all people have the possibility to do that :)
00:09 < mnemoc> a quite stupid 'solution'
00:10 < YeT2> mnemoc: whats so cool about building all with dietlibc ... no drawbacks ?
00:11 < jsaw> mnemoc: please test
00:11 < CIA-1> jsaw * r14501 /trunk/misc/tools-source/ (fl_wrapper.c.sh fl_wrapper_execl.c fl_wrapper_test.sh):
00:11 < CIA-1> * replacement for strchrnul for dietlibc
00:11 < CIA-1> * use PATH_MAX for buffers instead of guessed buffer sizes
00:11 < CIA-1> * libgen.h for basename (also dietlibc related)
00:11 < CIA-1> * replace get_current_dir (GNU extension)
00:11 < CIA-1> * fix fl_wrapper_test to run in base directory
00:12 < mnemoc> :)
00:12 < mnemoc> let's test
00:16 < karasz> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 is not a symbolic link...???
00:16 < jsaw> oh oh
00:16 < jsaw> not a big problem though
00:17 < mnemoc> karasz: jsut a warning, ignore it
00:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: ?
00:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: i see the same warnings :p
00:26 < morfoh> .oO( while crawling the fridge I've found the stuff that will make me happy )o
00:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: huh
00:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: really all?
00:26 < mnemoc> yes :p
00:27 < YeT2> ok ... bye bye ... the build does not have to sleep ... but i have :)
00:27 < jsaw> mnemoc: can't be, there's no get_current-whatever anymore in fl_wrapper
00:27 < morfoh> gn8 YeT2
00:27 < jsaw> cu yeti
00:27 < jsaw> eh yetII
00:27 < jsaw> :)
00:28 < YeT2> :))
00:28 < morfoh> didn't knew that Reinhold Messner i a linux user .... errhmm I mean the yeti :p
00:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GPv9dF13.html
00:29 < jsaw> ah, ok, no more implicit decl warnings
00:29 < jsaw> good
00:29 < jsaw> ok.
00:29 < jsaw> now what's about the segfault?
00:30 < YeT2> morpho: *g* at least i don't have a beard !
00:30 < mnemoc> jsaw: no strace or gdb :(
00:30 < morfoh> YeT2: good :)=
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00:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: but still happens?
00:31 < mnemoc> yes
00:31 < jsaw> ldd?
00:31 < mnemoc> uhm? ... minute
00:32 < mnemoc> ehm, no ldd on the sanbox
00:32 < jsaw> outside
00:32 < jsaw> ldd build/*/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/lib/fl_wrapper.so
00:33 < mnemoc> # ldd build/sedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-sedu//TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/lib/fl_wrapper.so linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7ff2000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7ede000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)
00:33 < mnemoc> yuck
00:34 < jsaw> ....
00:34 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/OaiG6v18.html
00:34 < mnemoc> ccache and patch segfault
00:34 < mnemoc> gawk scream about syntax
00:35 < jsaw> these are gnu libc libs, not dietlibc...
00:35 < jsaw> where do these come from?
00:35 < jsaw> I thought you're doing dietlibc only ?
00:35 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qFkNGs84.html
00:36 < mnemoc> # grep glibc config/sedu/packages
00:36 < mnemoc> O 01---5---- 101.600 base glibc 2.3.5 / base/library LIBC 0
00:36 < jsaw> ls build/sedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-sedu/lib
00:36 < jsaw> ?
00:37 < mnemoc> .oO
00:37 < mnemoc> _nothing_
00:37 < mnemoc> wtf
00:37 < jsaw> o_O
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00:38 < karasz> re
00:38 < mnemoc> they are at /usr/dietlibc/lib-i386 ...
00:38 < karasz> i am almost done
00:38 < jsaw> mnemoc: show me
00:38 < karasz> but now i have a problem
00:38 < karasz> i am tryin to start kde
00:38 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/4vjPPL91.html <--- this'
00:38 < mnemoc> ?
00:39 < karasz> result" Could not start process Unable to
00:39 < jsaw> ok, you have a problem while linking
00:39 < karasz> create io-slave:
00:39 < karasz> klauncher said : Error loading 'kio-file'
00:39 < jsaw> mnemoc: recheck how fl_wrapper.so is build
00:40 < jsaw> mnemoc: eh, I mean linked
00:40 < mnemoc> Build-Tools
00:40 < mnemoc> set -x ? or more than that?
00:40 < jsaw> hmmm
00:40 < jsaw> maybe set -x is enough
00:40 < jsaw> karasz: no idea, sorry
00:41 < karasz> kde cannot find his binaries..
00:41 < karasz> it is a .conf issue
00:41 < jsaw> I have to go home, then sleep. Maybe cu later, otherwise tomorrow
00:41 < karasz> somewhere i must put /opt/kde3/bin/
00:42 < karasz> cu jsaw
00:43 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EcqRYR31.html
00:44 < mnemoc> ok :( cu tomorrow jsaw
00:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: does udev populate /dev automagically ?
00:45 < mnemoc> morfoh: on initrd afaik
00:48 < karasz> mnemoc, any ideeas?
00:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: this may be more useful http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GGTqmX42.html
00:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: regressions report?
00:51 < mnemoc> err
00:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: not for you
00:51 < mnemoc> karasz: regressions report?
00:51 < karasz> moment
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00:53 < karasz> good
00:53 < karasz> i mean better
00:54 < karasz> mnemoc, i solved the issue
00:54 < karasz> it seems that i had to create a symlink
00:55 < mnemoc> on your dietlibc-env, where libc.so is?
00:55 < karasz> i made a symlink to /opt/kde3/lin64
00:55 < mnemoc> lin64 :)
00:55 < karasz> named lib
00:55 < karasz> lib i meant
00:56 < mnemoc> well... that's not a fix, it's an ugly work around
00:56 < karasz> that is what i could think about
00:57 < mnemoc> why this didn't fail?!
00:57 < mnemoc> 239: if [ ! -f $FLWRAPPER_LIBC ]; then
00:57 < mnemoc> 240: abort 'Unable to detect /lib/libc.* for flwrapper'
00:57 < mnemoc> 241: fi
00:57 < morfoh> so do I understand right ? karasz san is just thinking on ugly things ? ;)
00:57 < mnemoc> like morfoh
00:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... like me. You know, I just think about you ... the whole day :p
00:59 < mnemoc> o.o
00:59 < morfoh> -.-
00:59 < mnemoc> what romantic statement o_O
00:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: you know how I am honey :)
00:59 < mnemoc> sweet morfoh
01:00 < mnemoc> karasz: see, morfoh-chan fit perfectly
01:00 < morfoh> what ?
01:00 < mnemoc> the japanese sufix
01:00 < karasz> mnemoc, i will not comment on that
01:01 < mnemoc> fits perfect on your personality
01:01 < karasz> o.o
01:01 < karasz> but guys
01:01 < karasz> c'mon
01:01 < karasz> i am home now
01:01 < karasz> i desrve a champaigne ;)
01:01 < morfoh> karasz: and what has change till you're at home ?
01:01 < karasz> the long lost son i finaly home ;)
01:02 < mnemoc> :)
01:02 < karasz> morfoh, i didn't understood that
01:02 < morfoh> karasz: you have to get you champaign for yourself ... there is no word for waitress in japanese :p
01:02 < mnemoc> geisha
01:02 < mnemoc> :)
01:03 < karasz> nope
01:03 < mnemoc> multi-service
01:03 < karasz> ueitresa
01:03 < karasz> look it up mnemoc :D
01:03 < mnemoc> hehe
01:03 < morfoh> karasz: I just modprobe random-crap-in-brain,ko
01:03 < karasz> hmm...
01:04 < karasz> so if anybody didn't got it in the first round
01:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: "multi-service" <-- nice explanation
01:04 < karasz> .oO(morfoh)Oo.
01:04 < morfoh> what ?
01:04 < karasz> now i am officialy on T2
01:04 < mnemoc> ueitresa == waitress + female suffix
01:04 < morfoh> karasz san ... hei !
01:04 < mnemoc> karasz: ?
01:04 < karasz> it took me 6 month
01:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: he moved into his new T2 home :)
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01:05 < mnemoc> what?
01:05 < karasz> build is finalized and installed
01:05 < mnemoc> :)
01:05 < mnemoc> and running?
01:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: it was a long journey
01:05 < mnemoc> 2.1 or trunk?
01:05 < karasz> yup
01:05 < karasz> 2.1
01:05 < mnemoc> :)
01:05 < karasz> i am on xchat from my shiny new T2
01:05 < morfoh> god bless the stable tree maintainer
01:05 < karasz> ack
01:06 < mnemoc> so, as you documented all your hackery, mail it so we can fix desktop officially for x86_64
01:06 < morfoh> and all of you know I didn't use "god" that often
01:06 < karasz> kde has colors lik ecrap, resolution is low, but who cares
01:06 < morfoh> karasz: tune your xorg.conf ;)
01:06 < mnemoc> xcfgt2 should set your xorg.conf decently
01:06 < karasz> it is decent
01:07 < karasz> but ugly as hell
01:07 < mnemoc> kde stile
01:07 < karasz> but
01:07 < mnemoc> style
01:07 < karasz> tomorrow is another day
01:07 < karasz> now i am too tired
01:07 < karasz> before i leave
01:07 < karasz> mnemoc, it may be an ugly workaround but ...
01:07 < morfoh> .oO( same here )o
01:08 < karasz> what should i have done?
01:08 < morfoh> karasz: you have done absolutely right :)
01:08 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, but points out a real issue
01:08 < karasz> right as in if it works who cares how...
01:09 < morfoh> right as your are now able to use T2
01:09 < karasz> dear morfoh :)
01:09 < morfoh> karasz: please not so much love ... I got enough from mnemoc for today :)
01:09 < morfoh> :p
01:10 < karasz> :(
01:10 < jsaw> arrived at home, re for sec
01:10 < morfoh> wb jsaw for a sec
01:10 < jsaw> mnemoc: in the first one, I miss diet in front of cc
01:10 < jsaw> morfoh: :)
01:10 < morfoh> karasz: but of course your love makes me very proud ... so don't worry :)
01:10 < mnemoc> karasz: giving proper feeback next time your build will be flawless
01:11 < karasz> i will try to give propper feedback ;)
01:11 < morfoh> good answer
01:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: -DFLWRAPPER_LIBC='' is an interesting problem
01:12 < jsaw> that also...
01:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: cc is a wrapper to `diet gcc`
01:12 < jsaw> ah ok
01:13 < morfoh> karasz: sorry ... I'll try a # rmmod random-crap-in-brain ;)
01:13 < mnemoc> -> Building tools.chroot/lib/fl_wrapper.so.
01:13 < mnemoc> ++ ls '/lib64/libc.*' '/lib/libc.*'
01:13 < mnemoc> ++ head -n1
01:13 < mnemoc> + FLWRAPPER_LIBC=
01:13 < mnemoc> + '[' '!' -f ']'
01:13 < mnemoc> + '[' 2 -lt 2 ']'
01:13 < mnemoc> + FLWRAPPER_BASEDIR=
01:13 < mnemoc> + set +x
01:13 < mnemoc> ^--- stupid bash!
01:13 < mnemoc> '' is not a valid file stupid shell!
01:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: put quotes around it
01:14 < jsaw> -f "$FL...
01:14 < mnemoc> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
01:14 < mnemoc> !> Unable to detect /lib/libc.* for flwrapper
01:14 < jsaw> [ -f ] evaluates to true
01:14 < mnemoc> better
01:14 < jsaw> yep!
01:14 < mnemoc> but stupid bash anyway
01:16 < jsaw> append $xroot/usr/dietlibc/lib/... ?
01:16 < karasz> cu all
01:16 < jsaw> cu karasz
01:16 < morfoh> cu karasz
01:16 < mnemoc> jsaw: why not symlinking them to /lib ?
01:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: hmm, probably even better
01:18 < CIA-1> amery * r14502 /trunk/scripts/Build-Tools: * fixed FLWRAPPER_LIBC check to fail if nothing is found
01:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: maybe you could even set libdir=/lib{64} for dietlibc ?
01:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: ok
01:19 < jsaw> if it's possible...
01:19 < mnemoc> we will see..
01:19 < jsaw> don't remember exactly if diet.c can digest that...
01:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: btw, 1-perl doesn't cross-build to dietlibc
01:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: miniperl?
01:19 < mnemoc> yes
01:20 < mnemoc> jsaw: it see crypt.h on host, and try to use it to cross build miniperl
01:20 < jsaw> do both miniperl makes fail?
01:20 < mnemoc> the second
01:20 < jsaw> crypt on host... aha
01:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: afaik dietlibc has no crypt.h ... or am I wrong ?
01:21 < mnemoc> that's the problem
01:21 < jsaw> fl_wrapper should also deny read access outside basedir...
01:21 < morfoh> perhaps sth. like undef HAS_CRYPT can solve the problem ...
01:21 < mnemoc> jsaw: isn't a bit risky?
01:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: perl sucks, no HAS_*
01:21 < morfoh> dunno
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01:22 < morfoh> I just thought of it because I think I saw sth. similar there
01:24 < morfoh> but I guess I should better go sleep
01:24 < morfoh> gn8 folks
01:24 < mnemoc> i was _9h_ today playing with perl.conf and Configure
01:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: working tomorrow?
01:24 < morfoh> yes
01:24 < mnemoc> finaly :)
01:24 < morfoh> yep
01:24 < morfoh> gn8
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01:25 < mnemoc> uhm Ariel Sharon had a brain attack
01:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: perl has HAS_*
01:26 < jsaw> try -DHAS_CRYPT and -DHAS_CRYPT_R ? maybe ?
01:27 < mnemoc> but how to undefine?
01:27 < mnemoc> perl-5.8.7/reentr.c:236:#ifdef HAS_CRYPT_R
01:28 < jsaw> as well as I_CRYPT
01:28 < mnemoc> i have been trying with I_CRYPT
01:28 < mnemoc> but i didn't see HAS_CRYPT_R
01:29 < mnemoc> but i can patch in an #undef
01:29 < mnemoc> here it is!
01:29 < mnemoc> perl-5.8.7/config.h:3714:#define HAS_CRYPT /**/
01:32 < jsaw> have fun with it, I have to count sheeps now
01:32 < jsaw> or maybe I count GHz or Mb or so
01:32 < jsaw> cu all
01:33 < jsaw> (1500secs later...) ;)
01:36 < mnemoc> :)
01:36 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw
01:54 < CIA-1> amery * r14503 /branches/2.1/misc/isomd5sum/ (libcheckisomd5.c libimplantisomd5.c): * merged 14399 from trunk: compiler complains about signedness of char/unsigned char usage
01:56 < CIA-1> amery * r14504 /branches/2.1/misc/tools-source/ (fl_wrapper.c.sh fl_wrapper_execl.c fl_wrapper_test.sh):
01:56 < CIA-1> * merged 14501 from trunk:
01:56 < CIA-1> * replacement for strchrnul for dietlibc
01:56 < CIA-1> * use PATH_MAX for buffers instead of guessed buffer sizes
01:56 < CIA-1> * libgen.h for basename (also dietlibc related)
01:56 < CIA-1> * replace get_current_dir (GNU extension)
01:56 < CIA-1> * fix fl_wrapper_test to run in base directory
01:59 < CIA-1> amery * r14505 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Tools: * merged 14502 from trunk: fixed FLWRAPPER_LIBC check to fail if nothing is found
02:12 < CIA-1> amery * r14506 /trunk/package/base/strace/strace.desc: * fixed strace [U]
02:17 < CIA-1> amery * r14507 /branches/2.1/package/base/strace/strace.desc: * merged 14506 from trunk: fixed strace [U]
02:19 < CIA-1> amery * r14508 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
02:19 < CIA-1> * merged 14461,14467 from trunk: changed dietlibc to have POSIX utime, execl and execle
02:19 < CIA-1> * merged 14480 from trunk: enabled WANT_MALLOC_ZERO in dietlibc since GNU sed depends on it
02:19 < CIA-1> * merged 14481 from trunk: extended dietlibc/pkg_coreutils.patch to not crash with dietlibc
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03:05 < CIA-1> amery * r14509 /branches/2.1/package/base/embutils/ (5 files):
03:05 < CIA-1> * merged 13306,13400,13477 from trunk: improved embutils to remotly disable it's tools shared with traditional packages. cmd on diffutils, write on util-linux and which on bash
03:05 < CIA-1> * merged 9771 from trunk: added move support to mount and fixed the option parser to allow parsing of single, not seperated, options ...
03:05 < CIA-1> * merged 14026 from trunk: fixed embutils mount to not crash when no type is specified (long standing bug)
03:24 < CIA-1> amery * r14510 /branches/2.1/package/base/runit/packages/ (5 files):
03:24 < CIA-1> * merged 12098,12106 from trunk: added .tail file for prelude-manager and prelude-lml
03:24 < CIA-1> * merged 12099 from trunk: added runit run file for snort
03:24 < CIA-1> * merged 13666 from trunk: added runit/clamav tail file
03:24 < CIA-1> * merged 14404 from trunk: fixed runit/sysklogd init script, it had abandoned debugging instructions.
03:24 < CIA-1> * merged 13290 from trunk: improved runit/3 to stop gdm, kdm and xdm on the beging so they don't respawn
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04:11 < CIA-1> amery * r14511 /trunk/package/base/gcc/ (13 files): * changed gcc's -fstack-protector condition to use a case/esac, and updated copyright notes
04:17 < CIA-1> amery * r14512 /trunk/package/base/gcc/parse-config: * fixed r14511 indentation
04:20 < CIA-1> amery * r14513 /branches/2.1/package/base/gcc/ (18 files): * merged 14511,14512 from trunk: changed gcc's -fstack-protector condition to use a case/esac, and updated copyright notes
04:22 < CIA-1> amery * r14514 /branches/2.1/package/mail/bincimap/ (6 files): * merged 14498 from trunk: fixed bincimap for x86-64 compilation, and updated copyright note
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05:52 < CIA-1> amery * r14515 /trunk/package/ (base/rocknet/ network/rocknet/): * moved rocknet from base/ to network/
06:02 < rxr> re
06:08 < rxr> 995 builds total, 899 completed fine, 96 with errors.
06:08 < rxr> `- trunk ppc64
06:08 < rxr> desktop
06:08 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc64-G5-desktop:
06:11 < CIA-1> amery * r14516 /trunk/package/base/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * splited mkpkg out of sysfiles - command-line tool for creating packages
06:13 < CIA-1> amery * r14517 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 2 dirs): * moved cdrtools from base/ to filesystem/, and updated copyright notes
06:58 < rxr> re
06:58 < rxr> moin mnemoc !!!
07:31 < rxr> I just read scrollback some darwin elaboration from benh ....
07:31 < rxr> guess I'll not dig into Darwin when the code is so crappy that benh bashes so loudly about it ...
07:48 < CIA-1> rene * r14520 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-vesa/xf86-video-vesa.desc: * marked xf86-video-vesa x86 x86-64
07:55 < CIA-1> rene * r14521 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-via/xf86-video-via.desc: * marked xf86-video-via x86, x86-64
07:57 < CIA-1> rene * r14522 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-vmware/xf86-video-vmware.desc: * marked xf86-video-vmware x86, x86-64
08:13 < rxr> I'll package the open source qemu kernel module today I think
08:26 < rxr> so /me uni cu
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10:18 < mipe> wierd, laptop is out of order again
10:18 < mipe> i guess its the display thats damaged since on external it workds
10:23 < mipe> and subversion is segfaulting in nssdb through apr function while getting username
10:31 < CIA-1> mika * r14523 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/doc-install.patch: * fix libexif doc installation
10:31 < mipe> svn commit does work when passing --username :)
10:41 < mipe> so how far does generic cross dietlibc build?
11:31 < rxr> mipe: uhm
11:32 < rxr> much stuff does built - however some important packages afail again, I think perl
11:33 < rxr> mipe: hm - nssdb is a bit evil - maybe we should not build it by defayt
11:33 < rxr> default
11:33 < rxr> I gues it is due different db usage of svn
11:34 < rxr> and diffinetly link it against the db statically again
11:34 < rxr>
11:34 < rxr> Postfix 2.2.8
11:36 < rxr> http://www.free-penguin.org/
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12:04 < Baldzius> rxr: we have postfix 2.2.8 since yesterday :)
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12:20 < rxr> juche - more OS X driver requests from the TAIWAN manfucture - let's see if this can bring the driver into a profitable margin ...
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12:21 < morfoh> moin
12:22 < valentin> moin
12:22 < valentin> rxr: did you merge the profiles code yet ?
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12:25 < rxr> valentin: merge ?
12:26 < valentin> i.e. svn up and compile
12:26 < rxr> valentin: are you at home ?
12:26 < rxr> valentin: hehe svn up is not exactly like merging ...
12:26 < rxr> valentin: should I call ?
12:26 < rxr> moin morfoh
12:26 < rxr> la la la - /me so happy to finally have konqueror and kmail on the main workstation now again ...
12:27 < rxr> some days ago a mail would have lingered around 3d++ until I would have feeled to start kmail on the laptop ... ,-)
12:29 < valentin> rxr: no you do not need to call - was just a question
12:29 < rxr> I think I gave it a spin
12:29 < valentin> need to shower now
12:29 < rxr> but since IRIS fixed thier App themselfs the customer with complains is happy now
12:30 < rxr> and I have a AV610 issue to debug on my box - this is why I have nt packaged a new version already
12:30 < rxr> IIRC I also need to integrate button polling to select the profile from the scanner device itself, right?
12:30 < valentin> yep.
12:31 < valentin> bbl
12:31 < rxr> and finally wire out the button control to alllow starting scanning from within e.g. ExactScan waiting in the background ...
12:31 < rxr> valentin: cu
12:31 < valentin> (i want to tweak some bits at the driver, too)
12:31 < valentin> maybe we finish a new version till monday ?
12:31 < valentin> so, now bbl
12:31 < rxr> well - I have to do debug usb tinkery in the linux kernel and do uni work till monday
12:32 < rxr> and I want to do the uni stuff in-time this time ...
12:32 < rxr> no need for a second exmatriculation due to missed timelines ...
12:38 < morfoh> moin valentin + rxr
12:43 < rxr> hi morfoh
12:43 < CIA-1> rene * r14524 /trunk/package/base/ (sysfiles/system.init sysvinit/system.init):
12:43 < CIA-1> * moved the system.init from sysfiles into sysvinit sinc eit is highly
12:43 < CIA-1> sysvinit specific and can easily be updated this way thru Emerge
12:44 < rxr> our new sorting scales so well ...
12:44 < morfoh> :)
12:45 < morfoh> rxr: if you are already on an init ... I'm trying to run a embedded dietlibc image within an UML, but unfort. I it can't get an initial console
12:46 < morfoh> I think /dev is the problem
12:46 < rxr> uml ?
12:46 < morfoh> user-mode-linux
12:46 < rxr> I would emulate qith qemu or so to get real hardware near coverage
12:46 < rxr> in fact I never tried uml for various reasons ...
12:47 < rxr> it might be as simple as udev or old styles nodes missing
12:47 < rxr> but could be s.th. uml specific
12:47 < morfoh> yeah ... but qemu doesn't build here :/
12:47 < rxr> but, well, I do not know such uml details
12:47 < rxr> morfoh: in 30 minutes you have it ...
12:47 < rxr> morfoh: on trunk I guess ?
12:47 < rxr> then it is due to gcc 4 - fixed with a commit in 30 minutes ...
12:47 < morfoh> arrg ... don't worry about me
12:48 < rxr> hm ?
12:48 < morfoh> I'll try to get one compiled again
12:48 < rxr> qemu ?
12:48 < morfoh> do your stuff ... which is more important
12:48 < morfoh> but thanks ;)
12:48 < rxr> in fact I'm on qemu for my stuff ...
12:48 < rxr> morfoh: you need to patch qemu to build for gcc 4
12:48 < rxr> I did this weeks ago ....
12:48 < morfoh> I'm not on trunk
12:48 < rxr> just not committed ...
12:49 < rxr> if you want to not waste on selecting patchsets you can do other stuff until the 30m commit ...
12:49 < morfoh> rxr: and I'vee updated qemu localy to 0.8.0
12:49 < rxr> and I even add the open source kernel accelerator ... on the way ...
12:49 < morfoh> okok :)
12:49 < rxr> 0.8.0 does not include the right code (tm) for gcc-4
12:49 < morfoh> you're the qemu men
12:49 < rxr> in fact I would use either a pre 0.8.0+ patches snapshot or 0.7.2 + patches ...
12:50 < morfoh> hmmm ... but they claim they improved mips support within 0.8.0
12:50 < rxr> in fact the 0.8 configure contains a gcc 4.x check and only builds with some --try-with-gcc-4-though-it-does-not-work switch
12:50 < rxr> that might very well be
12:51 < morfoh> ok ... but anyway ... if I get a working qemu >= 0.7.2 that's fine
12:51 < rxr> but I need one compiling and working ...
12:51 < jsaw> re
12:51 < rxr> hi jsaw
12:51 < morfoh> wb jsaw
12:52 < jsaw> hi rxr, morfoh
12:53 < morfoh> rxr: at least 0.8.0 builds on 2.1 with gcc 3.4.4 smoothly
12:54 < rxr> yep
12:54 < rxr> but I have no such old gcc in production ...
12:55 < jsaw> rxr: I wonder that fl_wrapper did not produce more problems...
12:55 < rxr> I wonder if it works at all
12:55 < rxr> I also wonder that not more stuff wanted malloc(0)
12:55 < jsaw> rxr: e.g. "filterdir" and later a copy to filterdir2
12:56 < jsaw> rxr: filterdir was char[2048] and filterdir2 was char[1024]
12:56 < jsaw> ...
12:56 < jsaw> and so on
12:56 < rxr> I know
12:56 < rxr> I raised them from 512 or so at rock times ...
12:56 < rxr> !!!
12:56 < jsaw> rxr: I wouldn't bet on this, malloc(0) can also be hidden
12:56 < jsaw> rxr: 512 ????????????????????
12:56 < rxr> jsaw: yes - like crashing on high moon
12:57 < jsaw> hehe "on high moon"
12:57 < jsaw> :D
12:59 < morfoh> jsaw: look ... even after you cleaned the foruncle's out of your face they are still in your head ;)
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13:05 < morfoh> after the doc got that sh*t out, I had a nice hole in my knee
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13:07 < jsaw> morfoh: I know. My father-in-law has a large whole in his back
13:07 < jsaw> maybe 10cm long, 0.5cm deep ...
13:07 < morfoh> uhhh!
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13:08 < morfoh> that's too big
13:08 < jsaw> morfoh: they didn't clean it correctly the first time, then it stratified...
13:09 < morfoh> mine wasn't cutted out ... fortunately the doc tried antibiotics first
13:10 < morfoh> he just pulled the f* sh*t out, and fortunately it just left a small scar
13:10 < CIA-1> rene * r14525 /trunk/scripts/functions.in:
13:10 < CIA-1> * prevent build faillures due hostname = (none), translate braces to
13:10 < CIA-1> underscores to prevent evaluation errors
13:17 * jsaw wonders if germans would accept politicians older than 70
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13:24 < rxr_> jsaw: ?
13:24 < jsaw> Israel...
13:24 < rxr_> how much junger is stoiber ?
13:25 < jsaw> Sharon (77), Olmert (82) ...
13:25 < jsaw> stoiber is 65
13:26 < rxr_> oh - just 65 ?
13:27 < jsaw> yep, 1941
13:27 < rxr_> well if he would have become some bundeskanzler he woudl be nearly 70 and the end of his first period as well ...
13:27 < jsaw> it's not far away, right
13:28 < jsaw> (and honestly, I prefer elder leaders)
13:28 < jsaw> (indenpendant of if I like their respective views)
13:29 < jsaw> brb - coffee
13:29 < rxr_> no dancing guido westerwelle ,-)?
13:29 < rxr_> oh - need fresh on as well ...
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13:30 < morfoh> rxr: seems you're a little Guido fan :p
13:30 < rxr> morfoh: yeah - and what a fan I'm ...
13:30 < morfoh> rxr: I can imagine :)
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13:36 < karasz> moin all
13:40 < jsaw> rxr: well, the elder ppl I deal with do not take themselves too serious, that's why I prefer them, so, for me, guido is an exception (I'm not a fan of him, but I find him ok)
13:41 < jsaw> reiserfs question: any special options i should pass to mkreiserfs ?
13:41 < rxr> not that I know off
13:42 < jsaw> so, fire... (migrating home partition to reiserfs now)
13:44 < jsaw> rxr: what's the entry in fstab? "reiserfs"?
13:44 < rxr> yes
13:44 < jsaw> and after that?
13:44 < rxr> though I usually leave it at auto ...
13:44 < rxr> defaults
13:44 < rxr> as usual ..
13:44 < jsaw> ext3 has "data=ordered" on standard installation
13:47 < jsaw> hmm, vi needs an update for fstab
13:48 * jsaw starts liking vi
13:49 < morfoh> rxr: sorry ... but how do you invoke qemu with a squashfs rootfs ?
13:49 < rxr> oehm
13:49 < rxr> I usual create a disk or cd image
13:50 < rxr> to be honest I find scripting with grub easier and thus i usually boot my images via grub from a on-th-fly generated images ...
13:50 < rxr> in theory you could at least ramdisks with the -initrd option but it never worked for me ...
13:53 < rxr> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-12/msg00323.html
13:53 < rxr> `- oh someone lese noticed ...
13:55 < Baldzius> jsaw: trunk shadow compiles for you?
13:55 < jsaw> yes
13:55 < Baldzius> gcc: /usr/lib/libpam_misc.so: No such file or directory
13:55 < Baldzius> gcc: /usr/lib/libpam.so: No such file or directory
13:55 < jsaw> o.O
13:56 < jsaw> aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
13:56 < jsaw> while :; do echo -n "fsck libtool "; done
13:56 < jsaw> Baldzius: .la files are wrong
13:57 * jsaw really hates libtool
13:57 < Baldzius> i noticed your note: need a correct system-auth file (or local login won't work...)
13:57 < Baldzius> ^^- shadow's svn log
13:57 < jsaw> Baldzius: done already
13:57 < Baldzius> thank goodness it failed :)
13:58 < Baldzius> oh :) ic
13:58 < rxr> QEMU integrates a built-in Samba server from version 0.6.1 (CVS). See the -smb option in the QEMU documentation.
13:58 < rxr> `- huh?
13:59 < jsaw> Baldzius: I hope I committed
13:59 < Baldzius> :)
13:59 < jsaw> still moving data around, checking in a sec
14:01 < jsaw> Baldzius: oh, this "need a correct system-auth file" should have read "a correct system-auth file was needed"
14:01 < jsaw> damn...
14:01 < jsaw> it is exactly that revision that fixed the problem
14:02 < Baldzius> heh :)
14:05 < axion> mnemoc: how much is left to transfer?
14:10 < mnemoc> moin
14:10 < morfoh> moin mnemoc
14:10 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:10 < mnemoc> axion: du -h public_html/t2
14:10 < mnemoc> moiun rxr
14:11 < karasz> re all
14:11 < mnemoc> axion: 9,1G here, how much already uploaded?
14:12 < axion> 7.2G
14:12 < rxr> morfoh: you might get your 0.8.0 I think
14:13 < rxr> patches and qvm86 look compatible ...
14:13 * rxr still reviewing cut'n pasting ...
14:13 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you are fine with the long night shift you have done on t2 ...
14:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what did i broke?
14:15 < rxr> I have no breakage yet ...
14:15 < CIA-1> jsaw * r14526 /trunk/package/base/acl/acl.desc: * flagged acl NOPARALLEL
14:15 < mnemoc> cool :)
14:15 < rxr> not that I have rebuild all ...
14:15 < CIA-1> jsaw * r14527 /trunk/package/base/attr/attr.conf: * ignore man pages, as these are in the man-pages package
14:15 < mnemoc> btw, i didn't add mkpkg to templates or targets, but it's X for generic
14:16 < CIA-1> jsaw * r14528 /trunk/package/e16/enlightenment16/enlightenment16.conf: * the enlightenment 16 wm is "e16" now, not "enlightenment" anymore
14:17 < rxr> jsaw: ack r14528
14:17 < jsaw> :)
14:19 < rxr> integrated image editing in vista ...
14:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: could you check the vserver stone module (it doesn't do anything here, just fails when creating a new server)
14:19 < rxr> does bill gates speak about the good old paint.exe ?
14:20 < morfoh> rxr: cool ... already trying to build a mips kernel for testing ... but I haven't succesfully ran qemu yet
14:20 < mnemoc> jsaw: what kind of fail crating the new server?
14:20 < jsaw> /etc/vserver/ does not exist iirc
14:21 < mnemoc> and what's the output of the command?
14:21 < jsaw> that's the output
14:21 < jsaw> or alike
14:21 < mnemoc> ehm
14:21 < jsaw> the vserver command is run before you can enter any values...
14:22 < mnemoc> there is a prompt....
14:22 < jsaw> nope
14:22 < mnemoc> vserver_new() {
14:22 < mnemoc> local server= action= errno=
14:22 < mnemoc> gui_input "Enter a name for the new vserver" '' server
14:22 < mnemoc> if [ "$server" ]; then
14:22 < mnemoc> action="vserver '$server' build -m skeleton --initstyle plain"
14:22 < jsaw> oh, that you mean
14:23 < jsaw> of course I give it a name
14:23 < mnemoc> or gui_input is broken
14:23 < jsaw> but then, nothing happens
14:23 < mnemoc> vserver build is not called?
14:23 < mnemoc> does it work by hand?
14:23 < jsaw> sec
14:24 < karasz> anyone cares to remember me the patch part for Create-CopyPatch?
14:24 < mnemoc> | patch -p0
14:24 < jsaw> ah, that's the problem:
14:24 < jsaw> ~# vserver http build -m skeleton --initstyle plain
14:24 < jsaw> Root-directory '/vservers' does not exist or is invalid
14:25 < mnemoc> :p
14:25 < mnemoc> remember to apply the barrier to it
14:25 < karasz> yup
14:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: barrier???
14:26 < mnemoc> it's an attribute, to tell kernel never ever break chroots started there
14:26 < jsaw> and how do I do that?
14:26 < mnemoc> http://linux-vserver.org/Step-By-Step+Guide+2.6 :)
14:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: .... stone module ? ...
14:27 < jsaw> :p
14:27 < mnemoc> setattr --barrier /vservers
14:27 < mnemoc> i think it should be done on the init script... to be sure
14:27 < jsaw> yeah, but should be done by stone...
14:27 < jsaw> or there...
14:28 < mnemoc> feel free to complete stone module :)
14:28 < mnemoc> btw, fl_wrapper.so still looking like a glibc binary
14:28 < mnemoc> with all .so and .o symlinked to /lib
14:28 < jsaw> <- vserver newbie, not the right guy to play with stone module
14:28 < jsaw> mnemoc: :(
14:29 < mnemoc> the most important warning, never binding something to 0 on host
14:29 < mnemoc> bind*
14:30 < jsaw> ?
14:30 < mnemoc> ssh, or any other server
14:30 < jsaw> bind sth. to 0 ???
14:30 < mnemoc> on host, never bind the to 0.0.0.0
14:30 < jsaw> oh socket you mean
14:30 < demian> bye
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14:30 < mnemoc> any service*
14:31 < mnemoc> yuck, i type sh* even in the morning
14:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: ssh does this by default, doesn't it?
14:31 < mnemoc> yep
14:31 < mnemoc> so you have to set it to use host's ip
14:31 < mnemoc> and give host at least one ip of each subnet used on guests
14:32 < mnemoc> to be sure primary in never taken by the guest
14:32 < jsaw> oh my...
14:33 < mnemoc> because if you, when stoping guest, release a primary ip of a subnet, all other ips of that subnet will be droped
14:33 < jsaw> can I launch extra dhcps to get new ips for each vserver?
14:33 < mnemoc> killing all your other guests using ips of that subnet
14:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: probably using client-id, but not sure
14:34 < rxr> mnemoc: if all goes as expected we have a accelerated qemu in t2 today ...
14:34 < rxr> even buildable with gcc-4.0 in trunk
14:34 < rxr> and the kernel acceleartor beeing open source
14:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: my little dsl box handles all IP addresses...
14:34 < morfoh> rxr: yeah :)
14:34 < rxr> kernel module buitl postlinux of course ...
14:35 < morfoh> rxr: I was also wondeing to see that there is a confopt for the kernel module
14:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: all ips are always on the host, but if the _primary_ is the one set to a guest, you will have troubles
14:35 < jsaw> mnemoc: oh
14:36 < mnemoc> an linux set one primary per subnet
14:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: so, let's say, my main ip is in the 192.168.1 subnet, then I would take e.g. 192.168.2.* for my guests?
14:37 < jsaw> s/would/could/ ?
14:37 < mnemoc> no, if guests are 192.168.x.*, the host must have one ip on 192.168.1.*
14:37 < mnemoc> err
14:37 < mnemoc> no, if guests are 192.168.x.*, the host must have one ip on 192.168.x.*
14:37 < mnemoc> i.e. if your guests are at 192.168.2.*, your host must have an ip on 192.168.2.
14:38 < mnemoc> before the guests start
14:38 < axion> anyone know wget parameters to mirror an index listing?
14:38 < jsaw> ok. I'll rtfm, then come back with questions...
14:38 < mnemoc> ex, one of my hosts is 192.168.1.4
14:38 < mnemoc> which also keeps 192.168.10.1
14:38 < mnemoc> and the guests are 192.168.10.$xid
14:39 < jsaw> ic
14:39 < mnemoc> so, stoping a guest, will never drop the primary ip for 192.168.10/24
14:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: could we use tuntap for a vserver ?
14:39 < jsaw> so if you have the http server under vserver, from outside it appears as 192.168.1.4:80, but inside it goes to 192.168.10.*, right?
14:41 < mnemoc> outside it appear as 192.168.10.$foo
14:41 < jsaw> hmmm
14:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps one could attach the tap interface to a virtual bridge interface started on host ... dunno. just an idea
14:41 < jsaw> that's what I need
14:41 < mnemoc> morfoh: on vserver 2.1 there is a thing called vnetng, you may want to read about
14:42 < jsaw> I can't tell my router to use an unknown IP (which is an ip it didn't offer itself) to forward ports to...
14:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! ok ... thx for the hint
14:42 < mnemoc> jsaw: i have a pound on host which balance between guests
14:42 < rxr> morfoh: I also found a initrd patch
14:42 < rxr> morfoh: but it is for x86 only anyway I think
14:42 < rxr> == 01/05/06 15:42:00 =[9]=> Finished building package qemu.
14:42 < morfoh> rxr: :)
14:42 < jsaw> mnemoc: another term .... "pound" ...
14:42 < rxr> `- trunk 0.8.0 with tons of patche s...
14:43 < morfoh> jsaw: pound is a http/https reverse-proxy/loadbalancer
14:43 < mnemoc> jsaw: it's a package
14:43 < rxr> morfoh: even works
14:43 < rxr> testing booting monowall lingering on my machine ...
14:43 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://linux-vserver.org/NGNET-Development
14:43 < morfoh> rxr: cool :)
14:44 < morfoh> rxr: can you paste the cmd line here pls ?
14:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: it's a very simple reverse proxy, load balancer and https frontend
14:44 < jsaw> *reading*
14:44 < jsaw> thanks
14:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: very nice to have virtual hosts with https :)
14:45 < rxr> hey - even -initrd works now ...
14:45 < mnemoc> rxr: why dietlibc's libs are fixed to lib-i386?
14:45 < rxr> too bad I did all the t2 initramfs tinkery with a on-the-fly grub iso creation ...
14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
14:45 < mnemoc> /usr/dietlibc/lib-i386 i mean
14:46 < jsaw> oh my...
14:46 < rxr> mnemoc: you mean also on mips ... ?
14:46 < jsaw> vserver http start
14:46 < rxr> morfoh: oh - that was qemu 0.7.2 I built ..
14:46 < jsaw> * The configured vshelper '/sbin/vshelper' does not match the 'vshelper'
14:46 < rxr> anyway nice patchset ....
14:46 < jsaw> script of the util-vserver package
14:46 < jsaw> * The vshelper state-directory '/var/run/vshelper' does not exist; since
14:46 < jsaw> it is created by 'make install', this indicates a serious problem with
14:46 < jsaw> your util-vserver installation
14:46 < mnemoc> package/base/dietlibc/pkg_perl_post.conf14:[ "$pkg_dietlibc_useit" = 1 ] && var_append confopt " " "-U usenm -D d_localtime_r -D libc=/usr/dietlibc/lib-i386"
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: because some morron at rock times injected htat ...
14:47 < rxr> I bet it was not me ..
14:47 < rxr> it is lib-`echo $arch | arch2uname`
14:47 < mnemoc> jsaw: i don't use sysvinit, but i know vshelper is deprecated
14:47 < jsaw> so I disable vshelper now...
14:48 < mnemoc> rxr: can you try a non-cross build against dietlibc?
14:48 < CIA-1> rene * r14529 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/ (10 files):
14:48 < CIA-1> * prepared qemu for the qvm86 open source kernel module accelerator
14:48 < CIA-1> * important a whole lot of fixes from Mandiva, including compilation
14:48 < CIA-1> with gcc => 4.0 and x86-64 as well as -initrd fixes
14:48 < rxr> mnemoc: to what?
14:49 < rxr> help you fix perl ?
14:50 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, worse that that... tools.chroot get linked against glibc, at least ccache and patch segfault inside chroot and gawk scream about syntax on the proben gawk script to calculate ccache usage
14:51 < mnemoc> but on trunk you will get stoped on 1-perl because missdetection to configure miniperl
14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: there formerly was a hackery to make patch work at rock times
14:51 < rxr> maybe it got removed due to non-applying
14:51 < rxr> hover it was a evil quirk anyqay
14:51 < rxr> way
14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: is that urgent?
14:52 < rxr> I still have archivsita stuff todo - as well as uni stuff 'till next monday ..
14:52 < mnemoc> i'll keep hunting and bothering jsaw then :)
14:52 < rxr> and now I burn some time to polish and accelerate our qemu package ...
14:55 < CIA-1> rene * r14518 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
14:55 < CIA-1> * fixed olist merge-back with reevaluation of the flistdel pattern
14:55 < CIA-1> so that rebuilds of packages after adapted flistdel pattern do not
14:55 < CIA-1> continue to show the deleted files in the flist
14:55 < rxr> http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0601/raptorx&a=42540
14:55 < rxr> `- transparent HD
14:56 < CIA-1> amery * r14530 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (2.0.0.1 -> 2.0.1)
14:57 < rxr> the next internal kde project: http://www.golem.de/0601/42533.html
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14:59 < menomc> yucj
14:59 < menomc> yuck
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15:05 < mnemoc> jsaw: can you confirm bincimap's x86_64 patch is running fine?
15:09 < jsaw> not yet tested, but the x86_64 patch is only active while debugging and no real new code in that sense
15:09 < mnemoc> it was refused upstream :\
15:10 < jsaw> EDONTCARE
15:10 < jsaw> if they don't want a 64bit version...
15:10 < mnemoc> "Just changing this pointer from int to long might not make binc x86-64
15:10 < mnemoc> compatible. There can still be other situations in the code where
15:10 < mnemoc> int/long's are mixed so we need to look over all the code to ensure its
15:10 < mnemoc> 64bits compatible.
15:10 < mnemoc> Thanks for supplying these patches!"
15:11 < jsaw> ah
15:11 < jsaw> that's different
15:11 < mnemoc> :)
15:11 < mnemoc> not a refuse like on LKML or bash list :)
15:12 < jsaw> EDONTCARE_SNAPSHOT_WITHDRAWN
15:13 < mnemoc> :)
15:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: and the other patch ?
15:13 < mnemoc> "I am unsure if this really makes any difference since I belive gnu c++
15:13 < mnemoc> zero's all stack variables. But since it doesnt really change anything I
15:13 < mnemoc> commited it."
15:13 < jsaw> oh
15:14 < jsaw> btw, with this, NO WARNINGS AT ALL while compiling bincimap...
15:14 < jsaw> that's a good sign
15:14 < mnemoc> yes
15:14 < mnemoc> warnings are evil
15:14 < rxr> what is the 2nd patch ?
15:14 < jsaw> some uninitialized values
15:14 < jsaw> variables*
15:14 < rxr> did you had a problem due that or warning ?
15:15 < rxr> jsaw: patch in t2 to look at ?
15:15 < jsaw> no, but jsaw prefers correct code
15:15 < jsaw> yep, see bincimap folder
15:15 < jsaw> uninitialized*.patch
15:15 < rxr> damn
15:15 < jsaw> ?
15:15 < rxr> C-c'ed the qemu build
15:15 < rxr> we need should trap and do it again if you are sure ...
15:16 < jsaw> wtf is wrong with bdb33's configure script...
15:16 < rxr> jsaw: hm - I think the patch is fine - IIRC it is not garuanteed those are zero
15:17 < jsaw> yep
15:17 < CIA-1> rene * r14531 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/ (5 files): * updated qemu (0.7.2 -> 0.8.0)
15:18 < rxr> `- should build fine
15:18 < rxr> but only tested manually with a slighly other patchset
15:18 < jsaw> and just relying on "the gnu c++ will do this and that" might cause problems later on...
15:18 < rxr> and C-c'ed it accidently
15:18 < rxr> know for sure in 10m or so
15:18 * rxr of getting a pizza ...
15:18 < rxr> morfoh: postlinux stuff after my lunch walk ...
15:18 < rxr> or a fix if it fails to bulid in the meantime ...
15:18 * rxr back soon
15:20 < CIA-1> rene * r14519 /trunk/package/network/irssi/irssi.conf:
15:20 < CIA-1> * fixed irssi to include the perllocal config since it shared the file
15:20 < CIA-1> with perl in my latest build
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15:35 < mnemoc> oh, .lt
15:35 < mnemoc> hi sherniux
15:36 < rxr> == 01/05/06 16:23:14 =[9]=> Finished building package qemu.
15:36 < mnemoc> :D
15:37 < morfoh> :)
15:37 < mnemoc> configure:1959: i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc --version &5
15:37 < mnemoc> cmd_wrapper: execvp(diet-dyn,...) - No such file or directory
15:37 < mnemoc> configure:1962: $? = 253
15:37 < mnemoc> sweet
15:38 < mnemoc> this promise lot of fun :p
15:38 < sherniux> Baldzius esi?
15:39 < rxr> mnemoc: maye a simple tzpo ?
15:40 < rxr> mnemoc: do you _need_ dietlibc based stuff for something right now? or do you improve it just for the fun of it ?
15:40 < rxr> btw. dizzling snow here again ,-)
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15:41 < morfoh> rxr: guess he would like to run a dietlibc based sedu router
15:41 < mnemoc> rxr: i need to deploy a 'sedu' in next week and i don't want it uclibc based
15:41 < rxr> mnemoc: ic ...
15:41 < morfoh> :)
15:41 < rxr> you can assume I can look into patch reasonably soon
15:41 < rxr> what was the other corruption ?
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15:43 < mnemoc> fl_wrapper linked against glibc, gawk 'syntax' issues, ccache and patch segfaulting, 1-miniperl crosscompiled from glibc to dietlibc, and ccache and patch segfaulting
15:43 < rxr> quite a bit 8-X
15:43 < mnemoc> btw, can i install dietlibc on /lib on pure dietlibc systems?
15:43 < rxr> of course - with a bit of tweaking here and there ...
15:43 < mnemoc> rxr: at least now it enters stage 2
15:44 < rxr> without patch ?
15:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: trunk or 2.1 ?
15:44 < rxr> patch (1) I mean
15:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: trunk == 1-perl faling, the rest happen on 2.1
15:45 < morfoh> ic
15:45 < mnemoc> rxr: without patch what?
15:45 < rxr> I mean without the patch program ?
15:46 < mnemoc> patch is there, but segfaults
15:46 < mnemoc> as static
15:46 < rxr> so it does not build much in stage 2, ... ?
15:46 < mnemoc> i'm trying to do dyn-diet now
15:46 < mnemoc> nothing
15:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm
15:46 < mnemoc> it starts 2-binutils, crash crash crash... bloood
15:47 < mnemoc> it builds tools.chroot, that's something
15:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps diet-dyn on x86 could work
15:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: yes, i'm trying to find the typo
15:48 < mnemoc> package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf :)
15:49 < mnemoc> ehm, no
15:50 < mnemoc> typing with lantency is the worse thing on the net
15:51 < mnemoc> # grep -rn dyn-diet build/sedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-sedu/
15:51 < mnemoc> Binary file build/sedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-sedu/usr/bin/diet-dyn matches
15:51 < mnemoc> wth
15:58 < CIA-1> jsaw * r14532 /trunk/package/database/bdb33/typo-in-configure.patch: * some hours of debugging to find a single missing ' in the configure script
15:58 < Baldzius> mnemoc: sherniux is my brother but he is win user :)
15:59 < mnemoc> s/win /l/ ?
15:59 < Baldzius> jsaw: thanks for 14532 :)
15:59 < Baldzius> mnemoc: win :(
15:59 < jsaw> did bdb33 also fail for you...
16:00 < Baldzius> jsaw: yeah, i thought it was related to bash 3.1
16:00 < jsaw> it is, bash 3.1 is stricter
16:00 < jsaw> or less fault tolerant (TM)
16:01 < karasz> hmmm....
16:01 < mnemoc> yuck
16:01 < Baldzius> bbl
16:01 < jsaw> cu Baldzius
16:01 < karasz> re all
16:01 < karasz> cu Baldzius
16:01 < karasz> guys i really tried...
16:01 < jsaw> gotta go to, cu later
16:01 < karasz> but i have a small problem with my 2nd package
16:01 < karasz> cu jsaw
16:02 < morfoh> cu jsaw
16:02 < karasz> so
16:02 < karasz> my pack has a really ugly Makefile
16:02 < karasz> in fact Makefile only contains a gcc command
16:02 < mnemoc> rxr: your pack arived!
16:03 < karasz> i made the .desc and a .conf files according to T2 way
16:03 < karasz> the pack builds fine
16:03 < mnemoc> karasz: congratulations
16:03 < karasz> but the compiled file remains in src dir and at the end of buildin' gets swept away by cleaning up
16:04 < karasz> mnemoc, too early i guess
16:04 < mnemoc> karasz: hook_add postmake 5 false
16:04 < karasz> ack
16:04 < rxr> mnemoc: cool!
16:04 * mnemoc trying to open it with a key
16:05 < mnemoc> now with an screwer
16:05 < rxr> mnemoc: you are at home ?
16:05 < mnemoc> office
16:05 < rxr> it arrived at the office ?
16:05 < mnemoc> yep
16:05 < mnemoc> that was the address
16:05 * rxr wonders if I have sent it to the office ...
16:05 < rxr> ah
16:05 < mnemoc> at least you wrote this address on the label :p
16:06 < mnemoc> post office deliver better to 'business places' than to small homes
16:07 < rxr> I hope the hardware survided the flight ... or shipping - whatever ...
16:07 < mnemoc> the box looks in good state
16:08 < rxr> and you enjoy the other content ...
16:08 < mnemoc> but still closed
16:08 * mnemoc going to get a knife
16:08 < rxr> be careful
16:08 < rxr> not to cut a tux for your childs ...
16:08 < rxr> one is at the top ,-)
16:08 < mnemoc> survived :)
16:09 < mnemoc> open
16:09 * mnemoc anxious
16:09 < mnemoc> woh
16:09 < karasz> mnemoc, now it is better
16:10 < karasz> but
16:10 < karasz> build exits with an error
16:10 < mnemoc> karasz: publish
16:10 < karasz> binary built and stayed in src...
16:10 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks a log!
16:10 < mnemoc> lot*
16:10 < karasz> i guess the error is irelevant as it is not an error
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: well, in fact it is not as much as I hoped to gather together ... :-(
16:10 < karasz> binary build and functional
16:11 < rxr> the tux friendlly christmas card is on behalf of the t2 project ...
16:11 < karasz> mnemoc karasz: hook_add postmake 5 false
16:11 < karasz> ^^ as is?
16:11 < karasz> i mean no ' or " at all?
16:11 < mnemoc> as is
16:11 < mnemoc> to make it _abort_
16:11 < karasz> also i need to copy the binary to /usr/bin
16:11 < mnemoc> so you can see what's inside the buildir
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope the language pack is good - I do only know hola in spanish thus I had no clude to choose ...
16:12 < karasz> so the error is due to that instruction which aborts
16:12 < karasz> in fact there is no error
16:12 < karasz> i need to copy the binary to /usr/bin
16:12 < mnemoc> rxr: looks good :)
16:12 < karasz> after it builds
16:12 < mnemoc> karasz: no, to $root/$bindir
16:13 < karasz> ok
16:13 < karasz> then to $root/$bindir
16:13 < karasz> how can i achive that?
16:13 < morfoh> rxr: guess you're not "guilty" regarding the amount of hardware :/
16:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: but hopefully w can speak german soon ;)
16:14 < mnemoc> we will see :)
16:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, what did you tweaked on your dietsedu build ?
16:14 < mnemoc> morfoh: 2.1? all commited
16:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh cool ...
16:15 * morfoh running a test build then
16:15 < karasz> can i make a mv foo $root/$bindir/foo?
16:15 < karasz> in .conf?
16:15 < mnemoc> hook_add postmake 4 'cp -v foo $root/$bindir'
16:19 < karasz> ML here i come :)
16:19 < mnemoc> :)
16:20 < karasz> oops
16:20 < karasz> no .deps file...
16:20 < karasz> should I?
16:20 < mnemoc> .cache? copy it from var/adm/cache/foo
16:22 < karasz> done
16:24 < karasz> ML again this time with cache
16:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: == 01/05/06 17:29:07 =[1]=> Aborted building package gzip. <-- dietdyn sedu
16:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: did your build passed 1-gzip ?
16:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you use SSP=1 ?
16:35 < mnemoc> it wasn't a sedu, was a minimal-minimal mnemosyne 'lightweight'
16:35 < mnemoc> without rsbac or ssp or anything but the minimal
16:35 < mnemoc> but on diet-dyn i stop at 1-gzip
16:36 < mnemoc> with diet-static i get 2-binutils
16:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: on dietdyn 1-gzip.err ? --> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
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16:37 < sepp> moin
16:37 < karasz> moin sepp
16:38 < sepp> hi karasz :)
16:38 < mnemoc> 12:38:40] configure:1959: i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc --version &5
16:38 < mnemoc> [12:38:40] cmd_wrapper: execvp(diet-dyn,...) - No such file or directory
16:38 < mnemoc> [12:38:41] configure:1962: $? = 253
16:38 < mnemoc> moin sepp
16:38 < morfoh> moin sepp
16:38 < sepp> hi *
16:38 < sepp> :)
16:39 < sepp> happy new year :p
16:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: ^ that was the error with 1-gzip ?
16:39 < mnemoc> yes
16:39 < morfoh> sepp: thanks, same for you :)
16:39 < mnemoc> happy new year sepp
16:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: basicly the problem is the lack of a diet-dyn crosscompiler
16:40 < mnemoc> # file ./build/sedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-sedu/usr/bin/diet-dyn
16:40 < mnemoc> ./build/sedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-sedu/usr/bin/diet-dyn: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
16:40 < mnemoc> that's the only one, and i wont ever be able to run it on my glibc host
16:41 < mnemoc> it doesn't even ldd
16:43 < mnemoc> rxr: the chocolates are amazing :p
16:44 < rxr> mnemoc: ,-)
16:44 < mnemoc> thanks a lot again :D
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: _you are welcome_ :-)
16:45 < mnemoc> *G*
16:47 < CIA-1> jsaw * r14533 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-icon-theme/gnome-icon-theme.desc: * gnome-icon-theme depends on hicolor-icon-theme (needed esp. for emerging)
16:47 < rxr> I hope your girls enjoy the Tuxs ,-)
16:48 < mnemoc> they are cute :)
16:49 < rxr> morfoh: qvm86 gives me some headaches ...
16:49 < rxr> morfoh: needs some more time to tinker togethert
16:49 < morfoh> rxr: np ... mips kernel failed too
16:50 < rxr> morfoh: btw I'm unsure if this would accelerate non-x86 guests ...
16:50 < morfoh> rxr: I doubt too ...
16:51 < morfoh> rxr: did you succesfully booted a diet embedded target build from trunk ?
16:52 < rxr> oehm
16:52 < rxr> yes
16:52 < rxr> running on the geode router
16:52 < rxr> well router add-on
16:52 < morfoh> hmmm ... do you use udev ?
16:52 < rxr> yes
16:52 < rxr> well
16:53 < rxr> ok
16:53 < rxr> I used an existing kernel and initrd ...
16:53 < morfoh> ic
16:53 < rxr> the embedded initrd will miss some bits since the mkintrd is not yet cross aware ...
16:54 < morfoh> rxr: thx for the info ;)
16:55 < rxr> too late I fear ?
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16:56 < morfoh> rxr: nope ... not that late ;) ... don't worry
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17:12 < rxr> hm
17:12 < mnemoc> ?
17:12 < rxr> either I'm totally blinded
17:13 < rxr> or gcc leaves out some whole functions in qemu code while preprocessing
17:13 < rxr> and no - there are no #idefs around ...
17:13 * rxr is totally confused how this happens ...
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17:15 < rxr> hm - though I still wonder whats wrong with the include I know can imagine why my build goes boom ...
17:21 < rxr> the ammount of patches in the t2 confdir is proportional the the maintenance of the upstream source ...
17:21 < rxr> it is amazing how many patches we will have to qemu in some hours ...
17:23 < karasz> hmmm
17:23 < karasz> am i doin' smth wrong here?
17:23 < karasz> sent to t2@exac... and t2-developers@exa...
17:23 < rxr> t2@t2-project.org
17:24 < rxr> is there a t2*@exactcode.de left somewhere ?
17:24 < karasz> guess not
17:25 < karasz> i fond it in some old mails..
17:25 < axion> what are the advantages of initrd with a non-modular kernel?
17:25 < rxr> none
17:25 < axion> ok thought so
17:26 < rxr> well - except fall back tools if your rootfs went away ...
17:27 < mnemoc> you only need initrd on a nonmodular kernel if you need to do some trickery to get your root device mounted, example if it's on lvm
17:27 * rxr shot myself in the foot, once again
17:27 < mnemoc> ?
17:28 < rxr> wasted an hour on qemu hackery because me tried to trick qemu's configure ...
17:28 < rxr> but it was smarter than I have been ...
17:28 < mnemoc> ?
17:29 < rxr> you do not want to know the details ...
17:31 < mnemoc> ok :)
17:31 < mnemoc> foot bleeding too much?
17:32 < rxr> well, it is a 1.6GHz Turion with ccache enabled, healing fastly ...
17:32 < rxr> and a coffee might do the rest ...
17:32 < axion> rxr: whats wrong with qemu?
17:33 < rxr> axion: except all important patches, e.g. gcc-4 are not applied upstream?
17:34 < rxr> and that there is an open source kernel accelerator and the author still advertising his own binary?
17:34 < rxr> not many ...
17:34 < rxr> not much more ...
17:34 < rxr> except we have 10+ patches in the qemu dir now ...
17:34 < rxr> oh - and the -initrd option is broken since I know qemu ...
17:34 < rxr> that is for a long time ...
17:34 < axion> hmm. been using it on my lfs system with gcc4
17:35 < rxr> axion: distro binary?
17:35 < rxr> out of the box it does not build with gcc 4 ...
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17:36 < axion> hmm, maybe i built it on gcc3 but i have gcc4 now. is there a way to tell?
17:36 < rxr> you build it with gcc3 then ...
17:37 < mnemoc> axion: am i uploading to you 100mbps box, or to another? i have never passed 14KBps
17:38 < axion> 100mbps
17:39 < axion> it's in US
17:40 < axion> could be why...i just sent to it at my max of 48K
17:42 < karasz> what does [ -f /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf ] mean?
17:42 < mnemoc> if file /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf exist
17:42 < axion> check to see if file exists and is a basic file
17:42 < karasz> hmmm file is there but if returns false :(
17:42 < rxr> axion: btw. do you use an accelerator kernel module for qemu ?
17:43 < mnemoc> so it's not there
17:43 < axion> rxr: yes the closed bin
17:43 < rxr> axion: do you have a number of feeling how much faster that binary is ?
17:43 < rxr> btw. on x86 I assume? not x86-64 ?
17:43 < karasz> [ -f /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf ]
17:44 < karasz> sorry
17:44 < axion> it's still very slow (with XP). i dont notice much of a difference.
17:44 < karasz> root@karasz:~# file /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf
17:44 < karasz> /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf: ASCII English text
17:44 < mnemoc> [ -f /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf ]; echo $?
17:44 < axion> yes x86
17:44 < karasz> [ -f /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf ]; echo $?
17:44 < karasz> 0
17:45 < axion> is it /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf or /etc/samba/smb.conf?
17:45 < axion> i have /etc/samba...
17:45 < karasz> /etc/opt/samba
17:45 < mnemoc> 0 is _true_
17:45 < karasz> really?
17:45 < mnemoc> yes
17:45 < rxr> karasz: this are return codes ...
17:45 < mnemoc> there is only one way to succed, but many to fail
17:45 < rxr> there 0 is success and otherwise a error code ...
17:45 < karasz> return code 0 i must have thought...
17:46 < karasz> anyway..
17:46 < karasz> 0 or else [-f ] fails...
17:46 < karasz> [ -f /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf ]; echo $?
17:46 < karasz> 0
17:47 < karasz> damn copy paste
17:47 < karasz> tart)
17:47 < karasz> title "Starting SAMBA server."
17:47 < karasz> if [ -f /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf ]; then
17:47 < karasz> echo "No smb.conf!"
17:47 < karasz> return 1
17:47 < karasz> fi
17:47 < karasz> /opt/samba/sbin/smbd -D || error=$?
17:47 < karasz> /opt/samba/sbin/nmbd -D || error=$?
17:47 < karasz> status
17:47 < karasz> ;;
17:47 < karasz> return 1??
17:47 < mnemoc> that is wrong
17:47 < mnemoc> if [ ! -f ....
17:47 < karasz> that is on 2.1....
17:47 < mnemoc> 2.1?
17:47 < karasz> yupie
17:47 < mnemoc> ok
17:47 < karasz> but return 1?
17:48 < mnemoc> exit 1
17:48 < karasz> :)
17:48 < mnemoc> return is for functions
17:50 < mnemoc> what and stupid .init
17:50 < mnemoc> an*
17:52 < rxr> 9869 rene return 1
17:52 < rxr> r9869 | rene | 2005-06-27 16:44:52 +0200 (Mon, 27 Jun 2005) | 3 lines
17:52 < rxr> * fixed samba.init to not quit without error if no config file is
17:52 < rxr> present - untested
17:52 < rxr> ouhm ...
17:53 * mnemoc silence
17:53 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EmTsM786.html <--- do you like it?
17:55 < rxr> could work
17:55 < rxr> anyone dares to tes ?
17:55 < mnemoc> no sysvinit around
17:55 < rxr> no samba around ...
17:56 < mnemoc> karasz: ?
17:57 < Baldzius> !> usr/lib/libdb_cxx-4.3.la contains build system paths!
17:57 < Baldzius> !> The package should possibly flagged with "LIBTOOL-QUIRK"
17:58 < Baldzius> ^^- added that to package but still get that
17:59 < rxr> jsaw: ?
18:00 < Baldzius> same with totem
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18:00 < rxr> Baldzius: this should more likely be a warning, not an error ...
18:00 < rxr> (for now)
18:00 < rxr> jsaw might like to elaborate ... ,-)
18:01 < Baldzius> :)
18:01 < axion> is it safe to start a svn build now or should i wait? i want to help test stuff out but dont have a working t2 yet
18:01 < rxr> before jsaw added this libtool sanity check it was safe ... ,-)
18:02 < axion> ah
18:02 < rxr> I still would say most should build
18:02 < axion> libtool problem seems serious
18:02 < rxr> but my last build finished in the morning with svn code of around yesterday ...
18:02 < rxr> axion: well the big problem in gcc's libstdc++ is fixed now
18:02 < rxr> the other stuff is just tiny noise ...
18:03 < mnemoc> before jsaw added this libtool sanity check it was unnoticed
18:03 < rxr> but it only hapens on 64bit user-land architectures with lib64 directories ...
18:03 < rxr> what do you want to build ?
18:03 < rxr> mnemoc: but would still normally just build
18:03 < axion> i wanna build a p4 minimal
18:03 < rxr> this is more a cosmet thing ...
18:03 < rxr> axion: x86 should just build I think
18:03 < rxr> except one or another 3rd party kernel module ...
18:03 < mnemoc> axion: 2.1 or 2.2?
18:03 < rxr> even lib64 would only cause some packages to fail ...
18:04 < axion> 2.2...i need udev
18:04 < mnemoc> i should build flawless
18:04 < mnemoc> it*
18:04 < rxr> mnemoc: have you tested with kernel ?
18:04 < rxr> the last days I did not rebuild with the latest 2.6.15 incarnation ...
18:04 < mnemoc> running? never
18:04 < mnemoc> oh, 2.6.15
18:05 < mnemoc> i did before that
18:05 < karasz> mnemoc, ?
18:05 < karasz> you called?
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18:06 < mnemoc> karasz: try replicating this change on your current init script http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EmTsM786.html
18:07 * rxr should start listening to local mp3s again ...
18:08 < rxr> this low-quality web-streams start to degenerate my sense of hearing
18:08 < karasz> mnemoc, that is a diff chunk
18:08 < karasz> i had samba from Build Target...
18:08 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, but with spaces and for .init
18:08 < axion> rxr: haha, i cant stand mp3's quality on my hifi system
18:09 < rxr> well with my open source created ones they sound very good
18:09 < rxr> but all this windows low-quality junk really hurtys my ears ...
18:09 < axion> i use mpc
18:10 < karasz> mnemoc, i do not understand what do you want from me :(
18:10 < karasz> i made the ! in my init
18:11 < karasz> now it works
18:11 < mnemoc> ok
18:11 < karasz> replaced return 1 with exit 1 also
18:12 < karasz> hmmm bvut i dunno if i shouldn't have replaced return 1 with error=1...
18:12 < karasz> after all status function is called after checkin'...
18:12 < mnemoc> to get the sad face
18:13 < karasz> yup
18:13 < axion> rxr: try mpc...better quality at lower bitrates, and open source. better quality than ogg at the same filesize
18:13 < mnemoc> that's why the if/fi became if/else/fi
18:13 < karasz> yes..
18:13 < mnemoc> axion: this http://www.musicpd.org/ ?
18:14 < axion> no musepack.net
18:15 < mnemoc> axion: package it :)
18:15 < axion> been using it for about 6 years...i've never been able to tell the difference between the original on my expensive sound system, at smaller size than mp3
18:15 < karasz> got to go now
18:15 < karasz> cu
18:15 < karasz> bye
18:15 < axion> mnemoc: i plan on it :) once i get a working t2
18:16 < CIA-9> amery * r14534 /trunk/package/audio/mpc/mpc.desc: * updated mpc (0.11.1 -> 0.11.2)
18:16 < rxr> axion: I used ogg vorbis since years now - the quality is fine - even on studio monitor headphones ...
18:16 < axion> ogg is good, but tuned for low bitrates. mpc is tuned for transparency
18:17 < rxr> well I did not use ogg @128 ... I usually used an avg of 160+ - not distinguishable from audio cd when my ear was more traineed before I ruined it with 128 toiled mp3s that come from the varous web radios ...
18:19 < axion> hehe. ogg @ 128k abr is much better than mp3 at 128vbr. and mpc @ 128vbr is much better than ogg, and smaller than mp3, though not as small as ogg
18:20 < axion> if its size you care about use ogg, if quality, use mpc....or lossless :)
18:22 < CIA-9> amery * r14535 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.init: * fixed samba.init's smb.conf detection, and changed to produce a sad face - not tested
18:30 * rxr needs a dietlibc console player for the geode router-alike ...
18:30 < axion> does mpd compile with dietlibc?
18:30 < rxr> no idea ...
18:30 < mnemoc> or xmms2
18:30 < rxr> but so far I only have .mp3 and .ogg anyway ...
18:31 < mnemoc> btw, xmms2 needs scons, which needs python
18:31 < axion> it plays many formats...xmms2 isnt near primetime yet
18:34 < axion> rxr: try mpc from r14534 above. very nice cli interface to mpd
18:43 < valentin> re
18:43 < valentin> karasz: here ?
18:43 < valentin> normaly you do not start conf files with #!/bin/bash...
18:44 < mnemoc> i do :p for highlighting
18:44 < mnemoc> well... /bin/sh, not bash
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: configure you vi clone to highlight .conf as shell ...
18:45 < valentin> mnemoc: ?!
18:45 < rxr> hi valentin
18:45 < rxr> debug-qemu:[qemu-0.8.0]# -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 21.10% (123 hits, 460 misses)
18:45 < valentin> ah - vi highlighting
18:45 < rxr> == 01/05/06 19:44:15 =[9]=> Finished building package qemu.
18:45 < axion> what rxr said
18:45 < rxr> ouhm
18:45 < axion> you got it? yay
18:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14536 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/ (4 files): * integrated qvm86 patches into qemu
18:46 < rxr> this was long enough
18:46 < rxr> now the kernel build wants to be integrated ...
18:46 < rxr> funny fun I do today ...
18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have the magic line for vimrc?
18:46 < LMJ> good evening valentin & rxr & the chan
18:46 < LMJ> and mnemoc ;)
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: nope ... /me is a vi avoider ...
18:46 < rxr> qemu# ls *patch* | wc -l
18:46 < rxr> 11
18:47 < rxr> is this evil or what ?
18:47 < rxr> patch.qvm86 qemu-0.7.1-x86_64-enable-kqemu.patch
18:47 < rxr> qemu-0.7.0-gcc4-dot-syms.patch qemu-0.7.2-dyngen-check-stack-clobbers.patch
18:47 < rxr> qemu-0.7.0-gcc4.patch qemu-0.7.2-gcc4-opts.patch
18:47 < rxr> qemu-0.7.0-x86_64-direct-jump.patch qemu-0.8.0-gcc4-hacks.patch
18:47 < rxr> qemu-0.7.0-x86_64-softmmu-asm.patch.disabled x86-64-hotfix.patch
18:47 < rxr> qemu-0.7.1-loader.patch
18:47 < rxr> plus:
18:47 < rxr> [D] X qvm86-20060101.tar.bz2 cvs://:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/qvm86 qvm86 -D 2006-01-01
18:47 < mnemoc> yesterday i 'discovered' <( ) on bash does mkfifo and pipe both to the fifo
18:48 < sparc-kly> mnemoc: http://xlinux.ath.cx/regressions/system/regressions.html
18:49 < rxr> mnemoc: hm
18:50 < mnemoc> ls . ls -alF <(echo)
18:50 < mnemoc> lr-x------ 1 amery users 64 2006-01-05 15:51 /dev/fd/63 -> pipe:[79019]
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: lars suggested we do be a bit sloppy on postlinux 3rd party modules and only emmit a warning if one of those code beats fails, one rectangular or too high moon and such ...
18:51 < mnemoc> i found it interesting, considering echo | while read x; do true; done makes a new 'context'
18:52 < mnemoc> and pass even after failures?
18:52 < rxr> what have i typed there ... beasts fails on rectangular ....
18:52 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - at least on stage 9 end-user build or so ...
18:52 < rxr> with wisible far (red) warning on the screen ...
18:53 < rxr> e.g. often they are unwatned and the people are anoid of deselect rebuild to get the mkinitrd and such ...
18:54 < mnemoc> || true ?
18:54 < rxr> mnemoc: no - something more advcaned ...
18:54 < rxr> e.g. I fear I need to tweak status output logging to pass a bit far red warning out to the display ..
18:54 < rxr> I think IIRC the echo_status stuff does not appear on the screen such deep in the build, no ?
18:54 < rxr> I fear I have to hack it up a bit ...
18:55 < rxr> well I just wanted to propagate the concept, the code will be hacked then if we agree we want it - don't bother about the details ...
18:56 < mnemoc> rxr: we could use a different fd for 'feedback'
18:57 < rxr> Found 2 new/updated files in source tree:
18:57 < rxr> -> Found new/updated file: package/emulators/qemu/patch.qvm86
18:57 < rxr> -> Found new/updated file: package/emulators/qemu/pkg_linux26_post.conf
18:57 < rxr> `- so let's hope the best ...
18:58 < rxr> Baldzius: numactl 0.9 released <- I think we could use this package ... if you want to add s.th. ... ,-)
18:59 < Baldzius> rxr: ok , added to my TODO :)
19:01 < rxr> Baldzius: cool ,-)
19:02 < mnemoc> echo package numactl >> /dev/aldas
19:03 < Baldzius> can't open node: no such file or directory :)
19:04 < mnemoc> :)
19:08 < rxr> mnemoc: beeing sloppy on the 3rd party build errors ok ?
19:13 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. regarding wrapper stuff ...
19:13 < rxr> we should use another light-strace-wrapper (tm) code piece to wrapper these by default anyway
19:13 < rxr> works for static binaries also ...
19:13 < rxr> and so on ...
19:14 < mnemoc> yes, needing dyn env to catch activity is a big handycap
19:15 < mnemoc> rxr: on stage 9, ignore failing module is ok to me
19:17 < rxr> mnemoc: what was vi command fo insert file at cursor ?
19:18 < mnemoc> no idea
19:18 < rxr> :r
19:19 < mnemoc> thanks :)
19:19 < rxr> google was my friend ...
19:21 < rxr> next qemu postlinxu try ...
19:21 < rxr> damn ...
19:21 < rxr> this is burning time like nothing ...
19:25 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
19:26 < misl> hi folks :)
19:27 < mnemoc> hi rocket
19:29 < rxr> moin misl
19:32 < misl> rxr: any t2 Cebit plans this year?
19:32 < rxr> ah yes, hope we are there
19:32 < mnemoc> rxr: can i decustmainize dietlibc ?
19:33 < rxr> mnemoc: if you are sure you will couse no regressions ...
19:33 < morfoh> re
19:33 < mnemoc> i hope
19:33 < misl> morfoh: hi moped man
19:34 < morfoh> hi misl ... sorry that I missed your birthday ... "Happy Birtday!" rocket master :))))
19:34 < misl> :))
19:34 < morfoh> I know ... it's a bit late ... but
19:34 < morfoh> :)
19:34 < misl> no problem
19:35 < mnemoc> bday? 50?
19:35 < misl> I was not here on my birthday anyway
19:35 < misl> mnemoc: that's insulting :)
19:35 * mnemoc hides
19:35 < mnemoc> how many years since birthday?
19:36 < misl> 37
19:36 < mnemoc> not much ,-)
19:36 < misl> :)
19:36 < morfoh> :)
19:36 < rxr> misl: happy birthday from me too ,-) when was the exact date ?
19:36 < misl> rxr: 2 days ago
19:36 < LMJ> Happy Birthday at the same time ;)
19:37 < morfoh> good to know that someone else @ T2 is older than me :p
19:37 < misl> thanx to all :D
19:37 < morfoh> :D
19:37 < LMJ> 37 <- wow ;)
19:37 < morfoh> misl: but you're looking quite younger :p
19:37 < misl> hey, your as old as you feel
19:37 < misl> :) thanks morfoh
19:38 < misl> mnemoc: take an example to morfoh.
19:38 < morfoh> misl: you've done well to stay in a good shape :)
19:38 < misl> mnemoc: see :)
19:38 < morfoh> misl: what ?
19:39 < mnemoc> ehm, /me feels like 70
19:39 < jsaw> re
19:39 < mnemoc> wb jsaw
19:39 < morfoh> wb jsaw
19:39 < misl> mnemoc: me like 84
19:39 < misl> hehe
19:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: thought you are 77
19:39 < misl> hi jsaw
19:39 < jsaw> hi all
19:39 < rxr> what up here with you all ?
19:39 < mnemoc> misl: at least you are successful :)
19:40 < mnemoc> feeling old
19:40 < misl> mnemoc: successful with what?
19:40 < misl> not with building t2 on noisy
19:40 < mnemoc> misl: in life :)
19:41 < misl> mnemoc: not really successful, but not doing bad either :)
19:42 < misl> I am not doing what I like to do, but I am doing what makes money.
19:43 < mnemoc> misl: the oposite is worse imo
19:43 < misl> I'd like to do what we all like to do :)
19:43 < misl> mess around with t2 and make money :)
19:44 < jsaw> mnemoc: is Bertl the main vserver developer?
19:44 < mnemoc> yes
19:44 < mnemoc> and almost the only really coding
19:44 < jsaw> friendly guy
19:45 < mnemoc> he is very nice
19:45 < mnemoc> not like the other .at guy i know :p
19:45 < rxr> so - f*cking qemu patchery ...
19:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: who are you talking about?
19:46 < mnemoc> Bertl
19:46 < mnemoc> very open, smart and capable man
19:47 < mnemoc> jsaw: join the discussion there
19:47 < morfoh> yeah Bertl is a real nice guy
19:47 < jsaw> no, I meant the other guy from .at, I have no idea who you are talking about.
19:49 < misl> jsaw: Yeah, and we can throw rocks at you if know who he is talking about?
19:49 < mnemoc> just another project leader i knew once, who is very close mind(ed?), abandon it from time to time and just arrives to destroy the work of others
19:49 < CIA-9> rene * r14537 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/ (patch.qvm86 pkg_linux26_post.conf postlinux.conf):
19:49 < CIA-9> * added qemu/postlinux code - should build in theory, fails on
19:49 < CIA-9> x86-64 - I guess some more patchery to address that is needed
19:49 < mnemoc> abando the project i mean
19:49 < rxr> I try to import the still remaiing patchery - /me off to susan for now
19:50 < mnemoc> cu rxr
19:50 < misl> cu rxr
19:50 < morfoh> cu rxr
19:50 < jsaw> bye bye rxr
19:51 < rxr> bus a .59 ...
19:51 < rxr> could match - cu
19:51 < jsaw> misl, mnemoc .oO
19:51 < jsaw> run run run rxr
19:52 < morfoh> jsaw: running doesn't help that much I think, if he has to go to the bus station 25m away from his home :)
19:56 < jsaw> O.O
19:56 < jsaw> ohoh
19:56 < jsaw> fly fly fly rxr!
19:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: any diet news ?
19:58 < mnemoc> i'll rewrite dietlibc.conf
19:58 < jsaw> :)
19:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, if you want to offer a dietlibc based router you could also try to build it the "embedded" way ;)
19:59 < mnemoc> i'm not only thinking in a router
19:59 < mnemoc> i want a _real_ machine
20:00 < mnemoc> without fat
20:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: we all want
20:00 < morfoh> but first you need a router :p
20:01 < mnemoc> i'll my get machine or i'll die in the fight
20:01 < mnemoc> get my*
20:02 < morfoh> :)
20:03 < morfoh> .oO( hopefully mnemoc will not die )o :p
20:03 -!- demian [n=Jonathan@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2
20:03 < demian> rehi.
20:03 < jsaw> hi demian
20:03 < misl> hi demian
20:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: what problems do you see regarding the dietlibc.conf ?
20:04 < morfoh> wb demian
20:04 < demian> anyone here have implemented a streaming mp3 server ?
20:04 < mnemoc> no crosscompiler
20:04 < misl> mnemoc: What kind of machine do you wanna get?
20:04 < jsaw> demian: ...seems not...
20:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: can you give me some more hints
20:05 < mnemoc> a minimal but pure dietlibc
20:05 < jsaw> demian: for what exactly
20:05 < mnemoc> built native on a glibc host
20:05 < jsaw> demian: home use?
20:06 < morfoh> demian: take a look at "package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc" <-- perhaps it streams not just videos
20:06 < demian> jsaw: there is a file server with lots of mp3, i dunt want to share mp3, but allow others in teh enterprise to listen, and then do an application to queue songs that the rest of my partners want to listen.
20:07 < demian> like a radio station inside the enterprise.
20:08 < jsaw> ic
20:08 < morfoh> demian: take look at vlc ... it has sth. like that
20:08 < demian> ok morfoh
20:08 < demian> ohh.. sourceforge has a new look.
20:08 < jsaw> vls
20:09 < morfoh> demian: if you're looking for sth. that "pushes" content on the playlist of "subscribers" see -> the sap feature of vlc
20:10 < morfoh> jsaw: vls is discontinued
20:10 < jsaw> ah, ic
20:10 < morfoh> vls has all+++ than vls
20:10 < morfoh> vlc
20:10 < LMJ> demian : is ampache could be your perfect solution ? :-D www.ampache.org
20:10 < jsaw> what`s about icecast ?
20:11 < morfoh> jsaw: dunno ... icecast. I just examined vlc a little ... because someone needed streaming video
20:11 < jsaw> LMJ: make a package !
20:12 < LMJ> lol jsaw , it's only PHP files, not a software
20:12 < jsaw> demian: so, available packages: vlc, icecast
20:12 < jsaw> LMJ: ? PHP is software..., so?
20:13 < mnemoc> *G*
20:13 < jsaw> .oO(should look at the page before I look stupid)
20:13 < demian> :)
20:13 < mnemoc> even windows is software, not because php sucks it wont be considered software
20:13 < LMJ> demian : i think it's the thing you need, "download" is unactive by default, people can upload new mp3 if you need, you need Apache+PHP+Mysql it's light, secure, fast, streaming for everyone, they can make their own playlist and save them, etc... perfect with xmms or/and winamp or so
20:13 < mnemoc> bloatware maybe
20:13 < morfoh> LMJ: don't hear about that ... jsaw is just trying to avoid foruncles
20:13 < morfoh> :)
20:14 < LMJ> php is not a programmation language
20:14 < LMJ> hehe morfoh
20:14 < LMJ> php is a bloated language :-D
20:14 < axion> demian: have you seen jinzora or netjuke?
20:14 < LMJ> netjuke is out since a couple of month (years?) now
20:15 < demian> where are u from LMJ ?
20:15 < LMJ> France
20:15 < axion> netjuke is pretty old, yes. jinzora is better
20:15 < demian> ic.
20:15 < LMJ> why ?
20:15 < LMJ> my english sucks like hell ? ;)
20:15 < demian> ok, i have ampache, iceast and vlc in my check list.
20:16 < LMJ> demian , check out jinzora or ampache ;)
20:16 < jsaw> LMJ: en contraire
20:16 < LMJ> LOL jsaw , je ne comprends pas ton français
20:16 < demian> LMJ: s/programmation/programming
20:17 < jsaw> Tu ne me comprends pas... hmmm...
20:17 < demian> je suis demian.
20:17 < LMJ> lol
20:17 < LMJ> googletrans or babelfish ?
20:18 < demian> j'ai a eau of toilette.
20:18 < morfoh> .oO( french hour @ t2 )o
20:18 < demian> francaise is a lot like spanish.
20:18 < LMJ> what is the website to check if there are some other french dude in the t2 house ?
20:18 < LMJ> frappr.com or something
20:19 < axion> http://www.frappr.com/t2
20:19 < jsaw> I lost my french, damn, should refresh it.
20:19 < misl> seems like we can have multiple t2 channels :) English and Spanish already exits. Now we can hava a French one too. May I will start a Dutch one :)
20:19 < demian> i learned a lot when i was in highschool, never practiced it after that.
20:19 < jsaw> misl: :D
20:19 < morfoh> misl: if you wanna be alone :p
20:19 < demian> so i could understand what some ppl says, but not writing by myself :p
20:19 < misl> All dutchies meet me at t2-nl :)
20:19 < LMJ> damned, i'm on the only on
20:20 < mnemoc> misl: come on, we are 27 according to frapper... you want to split us?
20:20 < LMJ> jsaw : need a couple of lesson
20:20 < LMJ> ?
20:20 < jsaw> yep
20:20 < LMJ> hehe, in PM ;)
20:20 < jsaw> PM?
20:20 < misl> mnemoc: Yes, since there are some people here that insulted me :D
20:20 < LMJ> Private Message
20:20 < jsaw> LMJ: lol
20:21 < LMJ> c'est mieux pour parler jsaw ;)
20:21 < misl> hehe, no-one insulted me on t2-nl so far :)
20:21 < jsaw> LMJ: pour parler?
20:21 < LMJ> jsaw : oui, comme cela, on ne va déranger personne
20:22 < LMJ> WTF, i'm the only french around :-/ !!
20:22 < jsaw> LMJ: hehe
20:22 < mnemoc> misl: i said 'how many years since birth' not 'how old'!
20:22 < mnemoc> misl: i'm older than you, with less years
20:22 < jsaw> LMJ: currently yes
20:22 < LMJ> what a shame
20:22 < misl> mnemoc: you said 50!!!!!
20:22 < mnemoc> *G*
20:22 < misl> mnemoc: just kidding
20:22 < LMJ> bunch of lazy french who use debillian or Mandracrap
20:23 < jsaw> rofl
20:23 < misl> mnemoc: I am rather insulted here than being alone on t2-nl
20:23 < mnemoc> misl: :)
20:23 < morfoh> misl: good ... lets go ahead :)
20:23 < misl> morfoh: with insulting me?
20:23 < mnemoc> but the only zoophilic here is morfoh
20:24 < mnemoc> what can we use to insult misl ?
20:24 < misl> hehe, try me
20:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: don't talk about yourself using my name !!!! :p
20:24 < mnemoc> your summer house is ugly
20:24 < demian> if morfoh is zoofilic, u should be careful mnemoc
20:24 < mnemoc> ugly ugly forest, sucks
20:24 < demian> *joke*
20:25 < mnemoc> and that noisy box from you is slow as hell
20:25 < mnemoc> demian: uhm
20:25 < misl> mnemoc: no problem, when get over to Europe I will not let you stay there :D
20:25 < morfoh> demian: yes ... if I'd be that "way" ... piggy mnemoc should be careful
20:25 < morfoh> :p
20:25 < mnemoc> misl: *G*
20:25 < mnemoc> piggy? :\
20:26 < mnemoc> but you prefer rabits anyway
20:26 < misl> mnemoc: Wasn't you connection lagging? So the slowness is due to your connection :d
20:26 < mnemoc> so i'm saved
20:26 < morfoh> .oO( insulting hour @ t2 )o :p
20:26 < misl> :P
20:26 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < misl> seems like mnemoc is feeling 20 years yonger again
20:26 < morfoh> :)
20:26 < misl> younger
20:26 < mnemoc> yes, 50
20:27 < misl> mnemoc: continue insulting me till you are 25 again :D
20:27 < LMJ> how old are you guys ?
20:27 < mnemoc> my script is over :\
20:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've never seen a pig which is 50 years old
20:28 < mnemoc> LMJ: years since birth or old?
20:28 < misl> morfoh: wait a few years and look in the mirror :p
20:28 < demian> LMJ: what cares, is that none of us is older than mnemoc
20:28 < LMJ> the official age
20:28 < morfoh> misl: that was a bad move my friend
20:28 < mnemoc> morfoh's ass is like the one of a 50 years pig
20:28 < misl> sorry friend, I couldn't resist
20:28 < LMJ> ROTFL
20:29 < mnemoc> LMJ: did you loose your car for new year 'celebrations'?
20:29 < demian> i am a sexy 22 yrs adolescent.
20:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: you don't know my ass ... and I told you before to not talk about yourself using my name
20:29 < LMJ> no mnemoc
20:29 < LMJ> i haven't saw any fire in fact
20:29 < mnemoc> frigid-LML
20:29 < mnemoc> frigid-LMJ
20:30 < LMJ> LOL
20:30 < misl> LMJ you're not blind are you?
20:30 < LMJ> i'm not
20:30 < mnemoc> just frigid
20:30 < mnemoc> demian: naked pictures to publish?
20:30 < demian> what means 'zweitausendzweihundertdreissig' in german ?
20:30 < demian> mnemoc: sure.
20:31 < misl> 2230
20:31 < mnemoc> i haven't see a sexy 22 yrs adolescent in years
20:31 < morfoh> .oO( now we really see what mnemoc likes )o
20:31 < LMJ> cars burns in France since a couple of decade in "hot" districts, not so much
20:31 < demian> mnemoc: but first u should pass to my paypal website..
20:31 < morfoh> demian: 2230
20:31 < morfoh> ooops
20:31 < mnemoc> demian: how much per hour?
20:31 < mnemoc> demian: full service?
20:32 < demian> and what is 2230 ?
20:32 < mnemoc> zweitausendzweihundertdreissig
20:32 < misl> demian the number you asked for
20:32 * morfoh wonders about his friend mnemoc
20:32 < demian> a time..
20:32 < morfoh> demian: perhaps
20:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: wonder what?
20:32 < morfoh> demian: what context
20:33 < demian> are numbers in german written that way, in a single word ?
20:33 -!- rene [n=rene@p213.54.144.52.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
20:33 < rene> hm
20:33 < demian> "also bis dann um zweitausendzweihundertdreissig vorm cinemaxx"
20:33 < misl> wb rene at susan :)
20:33 < rene> wonderful linksys firmware still not propagating my homeip ..
20:33 -!- rene [n=rene@p213.54.144.52.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Client Quit]
20:33 < jsaw> demian: ???
20:33 < mnemoc> demian: 32 = two and thirty, like in latin
20:34 < rxr> so
20:34 < jsaw> GI demian ???
20:34 < misl> demain: see you at 22:30 in front Cinemaxx
20:34 < demian> GI?
20:34 < misl> freely translated
20:34 < demian> now i c i translated too late..
20:34 < jsaw> demian: GI sth. like soldier
20:34 < rxr> irc the secret dynip service ...
20:35 < jsaw> demian: only soldiers talk about "zweiundzwanzighundertdreißig"
20:36 < jsaw> I should add "A Zeit"
20:36 < demian> militarized hour.
20:36 < jsaw> maybe
20:36 < LMJ> HO HO HO
20:36 < LMJ> back to work everybody
20:36 < mnemoc> militarized=0 to 2400, and normal... 0-12:0-59 or 0-24:0-59?
20:37 < morfoh> jsaw: guess it's easier to "program" ;)
20:37 < demian> 0:12 mnemoc
20:37 < jsaw> morfoh: really?
20:38 < demian> that if u add 'am' or 'pm'
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: we are much than on frapper ...
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: e.g. even lars is not on the map ...
20:38 < rxr> matrin in berlin, ...
20:39 < jsaw> rxr: right, Wir sind Papst!
20:39 < morfoh> jsaw: :D
20:39 < rxr> yeah - exactly ...
20:39 < morfoh> jsaw: yupppiiiiiiiiiii
20:39 < jsaw> lol
20:39 < demian> well, so much lazy talk :p.. going to work now..
20:39 < demian> bye
20:39 < jsaw> demian: we are working
20:39 < morfoh> jsaw: unfortunately you couldn't adjust the font size :p
20:40 < mnemoc> rxr: but #t2 is just $frappr - $e
20:40 < jsaw> morfoh: should I use banner or so?
20:40 < demian> http://testingsoft.dnsalias.com/~jvargas/pics/Mis%20Fotos/Pocos%20Dias%20Despues%20De%20La%20Boda/
20:40 < demian> oh what a night.
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20:43 < Baldzius> poor link? :)
20:43 < Baldzius> can't load any foto
20:44 < jsaw> I can, but slow
20:44 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/ :)
20:44 < sepp> some photos you can load :)
20:44 < LMJ> evening sepp ;)
20:44 < mnemoc> also naked?
20:44 < Baldzius> g* slow :)
20:45 < sepp> naked?
20:45 < Baldzius> i hate my isp , i want 2Mb/s :)
20:45 < mnemoc> j/k
20:45 < mnemoc> sepp: what _small_ means to you?
20:46 * jsaw thought the same
20:46 < sepp> small means not 20 million pixel
20:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: :)
20:46 < LMJ> i love my ISP, got 24Mbits ;)
20:46 < mnemoc> 64kbps here :\
20:47 < LMJ> Adsl2+ here
20:48 < jsaw> sepp: nice
20:48 < Baldzius> adsl2 rulz :)
20:48 < mnemoc> LMJ: how did you picture 01-small ?
20:48 < sepp> made with packages in t2 :)
20:48 < mnemoc> names, i want names
20:48 < jsaw> what camera?
20:48 < mnemoc> i guess he merged lot of pictires
20:49 < LMJ> mnemoc : how did you ? what do you mean ?
20:49 < LMJ> good point mnemoc ;)
20:49 < sepp> stone age sony dsc-f505
20:49 < mnemoc> LMJ: s/LMJ/sepp/
20:49 < misl> hey guys, nice pictures, but where are the girls?
20:49 < LMJ> rotfl
20:50 < Baldzius> :)
20:50 < misl> mnemoc: Do you prefer nude boys?????
20:50 < morfoh> misl: alone at home ? ;)
20:50 < mnemoc> misl: if i can choose, girls :)
20:50 < Baldzius> l0l
20:50 < misl> morfoh: nope
20:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't you see the freudian side of minto's nick?
20:51 < misl> mnemoc: why do you ask for nude pictures of boys then ?
20:51 < mnemoc> misl: teasing morfoh and demian
20:51 < mnemoc> misl: just for fun
20:51 < misl> mnemoc: Good, you made we wonder :D
20:52 < morfoh> misl: you see how he is ... "just teasing"
20:52 < misl> we = me
20:52 < morfoh> in fact mnemoc likes nude boys
20:52 < morfoh> :p
20:52 < mnemoc> misl: i have everything everything clear, and a non-freudian nick
20:53 < misl> morfoh is holding a mirror again?
20:53 < morfoh> misl: what ?
20:53 < mnemoc> yes, morfoh using the mirror
20:53 < misl> rofl
20:54 * morfoh shuts up
20:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: please don't take revenge with your poor rabit
20:54 < LMJ> LOL
20:55 * morfoh hates mnemoc
20:55 < LMJ> rabbit with big brown tape around
20:55 < LMJ> i saw a picture like this before
20:55 < mnemoc> sepp: how did you merge them that perfectly?
20:55 < mnemoc> LMJ: o_O
20:55 < sepp> mnemoc: hugin
20:55 < mnemoc> hugging whom?
20:56 < sepp> mnemoc: small means that e.g. the 1st one had 60mb in size ...
20:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: just needs the name of the software because his ass is that fat and one of his biggest dreams is to see a photo from his ass
20:56 < sepp> now its only 2.5mb - so its small :)
20:56 < mnemoc> how much memory does 'hugin' need to do that?
20:57 < LMJ> mnemoc rabbit_feel_a_lot_morfoh.jpg or something
20:57 < mnemoc> o.o
20:57 < sepp> with <1gb ram it starts to trash a lot
20:57 < mnemoc> uhm
20:57 < mnemoc> what about pixie?
20:58 < sepp> you mean to build it?
20:58 < mnemoc> and run it
20:59 < sepp> well, to run it depends on the input file - to build it you need something >1gb :/
20:59 < mnemoc> does pixar really use it?
21:00 < sepp> no, they use prman
21:00 < sepp> and thats not gpl ;)
21:02 < mnemoc> :(
21:02 < sepp> $3,500
21:02 < sepp> lol
21:03 < CIA-9> aldas * r14538 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-python-extras/ (gnome-python-extras.conf gnome-python-extras.desc): * updated gnome-python-extras (2.10.2 -> 2.12.1)
21:04 < morfoh> I guess 1 dollar for every single patent included in prman :p
21:05 < mnemoc> :)
21:09 < sepp> the 360 panorama took nearly 30 minutes to render on my poor notebook
21:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: and perhaps you'll get a nice nude boy photo sample with prman too ... "full services included, provided by our pixar service bitches ..." :p
21:09 < CIA-9> aldas * r14539 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/ (doc-install.patch libexif.desc set-correct-include-dir.patch):
21:09 < CIA-9> * added libexif/set-correct-include-dir.patch - libtool issue
21:09 < CIA-9> * added forgotten Copyright to doc-install.patch
21:10 < jsaw> mnemoc: do you use bincimap under vserver?
21:10 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes
21:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: i want to make humanoid characters to represent my targets
21:11 < jsaw> mnemoc: and how are you doing auth?
21:11 < mnemoc> qmail-ldap pop3's authenticator
21:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! that's a real task
21:12 < jsaw> mnemoc: ldap? so you also have an ldap-server running?
21:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: I mean ... mixing all the ancient figures :)
21:12 < mnemoc> morfoh: easier than integrating dietlibc _properly_ on t2 buildchain
21:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: of course
21:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: there is world beside ldap?
21:12 < jsaw> o.o
21:12 < mnemoc> :)
21:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: for non-ldap i use vmailgr
21:12 < morfoh> hehe :)
21:13 < jsaw> so you also use pam_ldap ?
21:13 < morfoh> jsaw: but I think, if you want to present to "your" admins ... they would like to have LDAP support ;)
21:14 < jsaw> morfoh: we have LDAP at the institute >(
21:14 < jsaw> eh :)
21:14 < morfoh> jsaw: :)
21:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: qmail-ldap doesn't need {nss,pam}-ldap, but i use them on another vserver which has the samba
21:15 < mnemoc> jsaw: qmail-ldap does auth _binding_ to the ldap, not asking the 'system'
21:15 < jsaw> morfoh: pam_ldap.desc: [M] Juergen "George" Sawinski
21:16 < CIA-9> aldas * r14540 /trunk/package/security/shorewall/ (shorewall.conf shorewall.desc shorewall.init): * updated shorewall (3.0.3 -> 3.0.4)
21:16 < morfoh> jsaw: /me shuts up ;)
21:17 < jsaw> mnemoc is talking chinese to jsaw
21:17 < mnemoc> :)
21:17 * jsaw needs a couple of hundred years more to learn what he would like to know
21:17 < mnemoc> there are services with connect to a pop3 to see if auth is correct
21:18 < mnemoc> qmail-ldap see if he can connected to ldap using the password given by the user to see if the password is correct
21:18 < jsaw> what about kerberos?
21:21 < mnemoc> ehm uhm ehm
21:21 < jsaw> :)
21:21 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess someone has to write a good t2 kerberos howto then ;)
21:22 < jsaw> I think I want to try and learn that...
21:24 < morfoh> jsaw: I just know it in theory ... but I think it shouldn't be that hard to learn. but anyway it's just usefull in bigger networks
21:24 * misl off to bed
21:24 < misl> sleep well all.
21:24 < morfoh> gn8 misl :)
21:24 < jsaw> sleep well misl
21:24 < misl> morfoh: have a nice bday tomorrow ;-)
21:24 < misl> cu all
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21:27 < morfoh> jsaw: one major point to consider while deploying kerberos is to assure accurate time within the network (ok, anyway it's a good idea to have the time synced ;)
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21:27 < morfoh> but I guess that's not the problem within your institute ;)
21:27 < mnemoc> morfoh: clockspeed warranty that
21:28 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/hugin.jpg <- screenshot of t2 trunk running e17+hugin on my laptop :)
21:28 < CIA-9> aldas * r14541 /trunk/package/database/bdb/ (bdb-conf.in bdb.conf bdb.desc): * updated bdb (4.3.28 -> 4.3.29)
21:28 < jsaw> morfoh: well...
21:28 < jsaw> sepp: nice
21:28 < morfoh> sepp: yep ... nice
21:28 < mnemoc> sepp: oh, you use 1024x768 as poor mnemoc!
21:29 < sepp> mnemoc: only on my laptop :)
21:29 < mnemoc> sepp: ehm
21:30 < CIA-9> aldas * r14542 /trunk/package/database/bdb-java/ (3 files): * updated bdb-java (4.3.28 -> 4.3.29)
21:30 < demian> sepp: what is that program u are running in that screenshot?
21:30 < sepp> demian: package/graphic/hugin/
21:31 < mnemoc> it's amazing
21:31 < sepp> i made most photos on monday
21:31 < demian> and that window manager ?
21:31 < sepp> e17
21:32 < demian> didnt know enlightenment progresses so much..
21:32 < morfoh> sepp: how stable is e17 running on your notebook ?
21:32 < demian> s/ses/sed
21:33 < sepp> morfoh: quite good as, only the app bar in the center bottom crashes sometimes if yu add things
21:33 < sepp> but the e17 file manager is crap
21:33 < demian> last time i tried to build e17 and imlib2, the wm was really unestable.. that was a yr ago or so..
21:34 < mnemoc> can't be worse than xfce's
21:35 < sepp> and even with a high level of eye candy shit its damn fast
21:35 < sepp> i mean compared to kde or gnome
21:35 < mnemoc> xffm is a pain to use
21:36 < sepp> the e windowmanager never crashed in 3 or 4 weeks
21:36 < LMJ> xffm sucks yes
21:36 < morfoh> sepp: ack ... I had e17 on the notebook, but after a short journey I went back to flux
21:37 < mnemoc> LMJ: thunar is better but still pre-sub-alpha
21:38 < demian> i wonder why e17 has being so unestable for so much time.
21:38 < LMJ> i don't use the filemanager included with xfce, i can only use 2 panel filemanager, i found one pretty nice for X : emelFM2
21:39 < demian> what i really like from e, it's Eterm.
21:39 < mnemoc> lack of developers?
21:39 < LMJ> i send the emelfm2.desc to the mailinglist btw
21:39 < demian> maybe.
21:40 < sparc-kly> 677 builds total, 669 completed fine, 8 with errors.
21:40 < sparc-kly> :)
21:40 < rxr> did I mention my work for qemu acceleration does not really pay off because this damn of a assembly hackery is not x86-64 aware ?
21:41 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, you forgot to say that
21:41 < LMJ> lol
21:43 < demian> is monodevelop included in t2 ?
21:43 < rxr> well I think I try my best some time to hack it up ...
21:43 < morfoh> rxr: we all know that you already did :)
21:44 < mnemoc> demian: yes
21:44 < demian> mnemoc: someone tried it, i mean, running and developing on it? my build crashes when creating gtk projects.
21:47 < mnemoc> demian: no idea
21:47 < CIA-9> aldas * r14543 /trunk/package/java/jboss-as/ (jboss-as.conf jboss-as.desc jboss-as.init postsysfiles.in): * added "mkdir" hack in jboss-as.conf to prevent package failure
21:56 < jsaw> how does one edit menus in e17 ?
21:57 < mnemoc> $person is telling me kde menu editing doesn't work on 2.1.1 :(
21:57 < demian> i used to do it in directory .enlightenment/*.menu or sth like that.. dunno in e17 if it's the same..
21:57 < mnemoc> .oO( i have to make the announce for it )o
21:57 < sepp> http://www1.get-e.org/E17_User_Guide/English/_pages/3.7.html
21:58 < owl> hi
21:58 < mnemoc> hi owlinette
21:58 < sepp> hi owl
21:59 < owl> hi mnemoc , sepp :)
21:59 < demian> miss owl.
21:59 < morfoh> hi owl
21:59 < owl> hi demian , morfoh *g*
22:02 < rxr> cu
22:02 < owl> bye rxr
22:04 * demian was unable to mount the second t2 iso as a loop device when installing it..
22:05 < jsaw> aaaahhhhh
22:05 < jsaw> xrdb -merge .Xresources
22:05 < jsaw> sh: /user/t2/trunk/build/default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-generic/TOOLCHAIN/tools.native/wrapper/cpp: Permission denied
22:05 < mnemoc> missing +x ?
22:06 < jsaw> ?
22:06 < mnemoc> ehm, why xrdb calling _that_ cpp?
22:07 < CIA-9> aldas * r14544 /trunk/package/network/bacula/ (7 files): * updated bacula (1.37.40 -> 1.38.3)
22:08 < sepp> jsaw: if you want to add something to the "ibar" in e17 you just drag and drop the icon from the left upper corner to the bar
22:11 < jsaw> mnemoc: emerge... hardcoding CPP
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22:13 < nzg> moin
22:13 < jsaw> hi nzg
22:13 < nzg> hi jsaw
22:13 < morfoh> hi nzg
22:14 < nzg> moin morfoh
22:14 < mnemoc> moin nzg
22:14 < nzg> moin mnemoc
22:14 < demian> hi nzg
22:14 < nzg> i just returned from booting into my freshly built desktop-target
22:15 < morfoh> nzg: another good reason to say hello again :)
22:15 < nzg> yep, indeed
22:15 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14545 /trunk/package/xorg/xrdb/xrdb.conf: * use "cpp" only, not a path taken from $CPP
22:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: fixed...
22:16 < nzg> install from cd did not work (it expected unversioned .tar.bz2 packages instead of versioned .gem (as configured))
22:17 < nzg> then i fell over the driver for ide-disks being a module (havn't used an initrd for a while)
22:18 < jsaw> brb
22:18 < nzg> and the nvidia-driver for xorg seems to not be working
22:19 < mnemoc> nzg: what card?
22:19 < nzg> mnemoc: GF4TI 4600
22:19 < sepp> binary only driver?
22:20 < nzg> sepp: yes... sometimes i need 3d for entertainment
22:20 < sepp> they disabled support for old cards
22:20 < sepp> but i dont remember the numbers
22:21 < nzg> it works here with the 8*** driver
22:21 < mnemoc> until gforce2
22:21 < nzg> it libglx.so.$nvidia-version needs to renamed to libglx.so
22:21 < nzg> i figured that out
22:22 < mnemoc> xcfgt2 does that iirc
22:22 < nzg> aah
22:22 < nzg> mnemoc: i take a look at that
22:23 < Baldzius> me ln'ed
22:26 < mnemoc> doens't xorg already contain one?
22:29 < mnemoc> in that case i think we should install it as libglx.so.xorg-$ver, and play with symlinks
22:29 < mnemoc> xorg, nvidia, nvidia-legacy, ...
22:29 < nzg> mnemoc: its currently done this way i think
22:29 < mnemoc> ah, good :)
22:29 < nzg> at least the nvidia libglx is called libglx.so.$nvidia-version
22:29 < mnemoc> do we have nvidia-legacy on trunk?
22:30 < sepp> no
22:30 < mnemoc> on 2.1 i wont update to 8xxx series, but on trunk...
22:32 < sepp> i could try to find a really old nvidia on my attic to test that
22:33 < sepp> i think i have a tnt or tnt2 there
22:33 < mnemoc> i have a tnt2 on home's computer
22:33 < mnemoc> but, i think we must have both nvidia packages built and installed
22:34 < mnemoc> sepp: do you clone them? :)
22:34 < sepp> huuh? nvidia cards?
22:35 < demian> i also have tnt and tnt2... tv channels.
22:36 < sepp> i just have a bunch of nvidia cards ...
22:36 < mnemoc> sepp: why do i need more than a tnt2?
22:36 < sepp> tnt, gforce2, 4, quadro ...
22:37 < sepp> uhm fir fast 3d :/
22:37 < sepp> for*
22:37 * demian has never had an nvidia card.. maybe never needed to play graphics-complex games.
22:38 < mnemoc> sepp: i forgot when was the last time i saw something 3D on my box
22:39 * nzg admits playing FPS games
22:39 < demian> that remembers me to download armagetron..
22:40 < sepp> well, try wings or blender on a non hw opengl card
22:40 * mnemoc forgot to install freeciv on his last reinstallation 2 months ago
22:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: is freeciv network aware ?
22:41 < mnemoc> yes
22:41 < morfoh> cool
22:41 < morfoh> :)
22:42 < sepp> or nexuiz <- it really needs fast 3d ...
22:45 * mnemoc googling
22:45 < mnemoc> nice
22:47 < mnemoc> bookmarked to 'linux advocate/gammers'
22:47 < nzg> sepp: the demo-video looks nice
22:48 < sepp> there is a t2 package :)
22:49 < mnemoc> oh
22:49 < mnemoc> where? :(
22:49 < sepp> package/games/nexuiz
22:50 < mnemoc> typo :\
22:50 < mnemoc> bookmark moved to 't2 advocate/gammers'
22:50 < sepp> hehehe
22:52 < demian> the command line: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de:81/t2/trunk t2-trunk
22:53 < demian> is failing. mentioned in http://www.t2-project.org/download.html
22:55 < mnemoc> true
22:55 < mnemoc> try https if http fails to you
22:56 < sepp> good night *
22:56 < morfoh> night sepp
22:56 < demian> nah, it works using port 80 and http.
22:56 < demian> gn8 sepp
22:56 < mnemoc> some transparent proxies fail with svn
22:56 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp
22:56 < sepp> :) - night *
22:59 < demian> armagetron rulez
23:02 < mnemoc> a tron clone... what is tron? :(
23:03 < mnemoc> demian: not yet packaged, you send the patch right?
23:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: you don't know tron ?
23:04 < mnemoc> :(
23:04 < mnemoc> i haven't played much
23:05 < morfoh> me neither .... but tron ?
23:05 < mnemoc> i got my first x86 at 1985, and i new the first game on 1992
23:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: guess you were a quite serios child :p
23:06 < morfoh> yeah ... but no tron ? .... damn :p
23:06 < mnemoc> living in the courtry, and not too friendly.. closer house was at 5km
23:07 < mnemoc> well... it was the closer house _and_ the closer town at the same time
23:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: a real natural boy :)
23:07 < mnemoc> yeah, plugged on a 8088 learning asm :\
23:08 < mnemoc> what a freak
23:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep :p
23:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: guess you poor boy had not that much friends outta there :)
23:09 < mnemoc> at least old ms-dos included a compiler, i wouldn't be much fun using just wordstar
23:09 < mnemoc> ah, and gw-basic
23:09 < mnemoc> i did some coold 3d graphics on that :)
23:09 < morfoh> yeah ... that was great! did you had the original IBM machine ?
23:10 < mnemoc> multitech
23:10 < mnemoc> it became 'acer' afaik
23:10 < morfoh> dunno
23:10 < mnemoc> well... something from malasya
23:10 < mnemoc> time to ride home.... back in 45m
23:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: cu ... take care with the package ;)
23:11 < mnemoc> ehm.... forgot that... ehm
23:11 < mnemoc> out
23:11 < mnemoc> i'll take the tuxes, chocolate and the book... and hide the hardware
23:12 < morfoh> :)
23:12 < mnemoc> cu :)
23:12 < mnemoc> and thanks you too for the package
23:12 < morfoh> .oO( hopefully the chocolate will arrive savely )o
23:12 < mnemoc> yeah... and it is amazing
23:12 < mnemoc> ok, bye
23:13 < demian> bye mnemoc
23:16 < demian> how can i install t2 without using CD's ?
23:16 < demian> i would like to do it mounting isos via loopback devices, or by network, not NFS. is it possible ?
23:18 < morfoh> demian: perhaps use a small livecd which can be loaded into ram and install the packages on disk and chroot into it to do the final setupp
23:18 < LMJ> have you compiled your t2 demian ?
23:18 < demian> nop.
23:18 < LMJ> what t2 you wanna install ?
23:18 < morfoh> demian: you could try http://www.insert.cd
23:19 < demian> im just starting LMJ..
23:19 < demian> umm. wil do it now.
23:19 < demian> is this like rock right? let's rock then..
23:19 < morfoh> demian: yes ... I guess there are still some rock similar things ;)
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23:19 < demian> misc/confdialog/yesno.c:73: error: âTRUEâ undeclared (first use in this function)
23:19 < demian> misc/confdialog/yesno.c:116: error: âKEY_LEFTâ undeclared (first use in this function)
23:20 < demian> misc/confdialog/yesno.c:117: error: âKEY_RIGHTâ undeclared (first use in this function)
23:20 < demian> mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre «src/confdialog.bin.29633»: No existe el fichero o el directorio
23:20 < demian> T2 2.2.0-alpha configuration ...
23:20 < demian> next step download right ?
23:20 < demian> Building src/config_helper.so.
23:20 < demian> unknown returncode: 127
23:20 < demian> ?
23:20 * demian pissed off..
23:21 < demian> i just did a svn co from t2-trunk at exactcode
23:21 < LMJ> humm
23:21 < LMJ> why not stable ?
23:21 < morfoh> demian: I guess you should start with 2.1 ... dunno what happening on trunk atm
23:22 < LMJ> demian loves risks
23:22 < demian> umm. i started running ./scripts/Config as rock's.. and HDW Linux :)
23:22 < demian> LMJ: u got the point.
23:22 < morfoh> LMJ: most people do ... but one should play risky games in a save environment :p
23:23 < demian> T2 2.2.0-alpha configuration ...
23:23 < demian> + ./scripts/Config -cfg default -cycle
23:23 < demian> unknown returncode: 127
23:23 < demian> + exit 0
23:23 < LMJ> LOL
23:23 < demian> scripts/Config calls itself. umm..
23:23 < demian> aniother bash process, so i cannot debug it..
23:24 < LMJ> LOL i found another crazy software on freshmeat
23:24 < demian> are there verbose execution flags in ./scripts/*? so i could see more output ?
23:25 < LMJ> "Demain's head crash simulation against his desk software avec t2 trunk screwed install" : http://impact.sourceforge.net/
23:25 < LMJ> LMAO
23:25 < demian> '\'' SDECFG_EXPERT '\''[ ] Show expert-only and experimental options'\''
23:25 < demian> ./scripts/Config: line 198: ./src/confdialog.bin: No existe el fichero o el directorio'
23:25 < demian> + bprof main start
23:26 < demian> is this still using clifford's rock-dialog stuff ?
23:27 < demian> ++ :
23:27 < LMJ> don't know here
23:27 < demian> ++ expert_end
23:27 < demian> ++ expert=-1
23:27 < demian> ++ . src/default/package-postconfig.in
23:27 < demian> should i do sth else to compile that configdialog.bin file ?
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23:30 < demian> i see no BUILD documentation.. is it somewhere ?
23:32 < LMJ> ;)
23:32 < LMJ> what do you want to do ?
23:33 < demian> what's usual.. configure my build, download packages, and start building stages.
23:33 < LMJ> ok
23:33 < LMJ> check the doc on t2-project.org
23:33 < LMJ> 4/5 pages talk about this
23:33 < LMJ> you will find main informations
23:34 < LMJ> and the essential steps
23:36 < demian> ive just read them :)
23:36 < demian> seems what i thought was ok... dunno why ./scripts/Config is not working..
23:36 < demian> it is supposed to build dialogs isn't it, why does not build configdialog.bin ?
23:37 < demian> i will try stable version..
23:37 < demian> LMJ: tell me one URL to get sources from svn. a "stable" version.
23:38 < LMJ> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1/
23:38 < LMJ> ;)
23:38 < demian> thanks
23:40 < LMJ> welcome
23:41 < demian> last time mnemoc told me i needed to get external sources. do i really need them at this moment ?
23:42 < LMJ> i don't think so
23:42 < LMJ> what is your level with SDE ?
23:43 < demian> with t2? none.
23:43 < LMJ> you've got one with Rocklinux ?
23:44 < demian> ah sure, i did some stuff for rock a long time ago.. and created with frank zilkerbach hdw linux.. why ?
23:46 < LMJ> to know your level
23:47 < LMJ> so you know you have to setup a config, launch a download for all sources, compile them, compile a bootcd and make a bootable cd with the both target ?
23:47 < demian> i dunt have to compile a bootcd unless i want to create a binary install disk..
23:49 < LMJ> yes
23:50 < demian> have u used rock before ?
23:50 < LMJ> if not, you can chroot inside your target dir who contain all your fresh t2, launch stone and finish the install
23:50 < LMJ> yes, i used it
23:50 < LMJ> never make my own rocklinux
23:52 < demian> umm. mom. installing ncurses
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23:57 < nzg> remoin
23:58 < demian> wb nzg
23:58 < nzg> so, nvidia-stuff works
23:59 < nzg> now xorg says it needs the font "fixed" to work
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