T2 IRC Log: 2004-09-28
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--- Log opened Tue Sep 28 00:00:42 2004
09:38 < martin> moin
10:17 < rxr> moin
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11:24 < martin> rxr: you tell me, there is a kernel-patch to "see" the essid from wlan stations?
11:31 < rxr> well - the patch does even more ...
11:32 < rxr> what do you want - just the essid you are already connected too?
11:32 < rxr> this is shown by iwconfig or wavemon ...
11:32 < martin> I will find the right location with essid.
11:34 < martin> And will build Gnome 2.8 with no erros?
11:41 < rxr> nope - at least here some packages fail - but most (including nautilus) do build ...
11:41 < rxr> but they are not T2 problem - just pure "gnome C people do not know what they do" bugs ...
11:42 < rxr> what do you mean with "right location with essid" ?
11:45 < martin> rxr: un german: Ich setzye mich irgendwo hin und sehe alle ESSIDs und kann dem entsprechend meine Einstellungen vornehmen
11:47 < rxr> to see all essid's in the air you indeed need the kernel patch for you orinoco based card in the ibook
11:47 < rxr> I could add the patch to the t2 kernels later in an hour or so if you like
11:52 < martin> yes, please. in t2 are much more patches. I have never use this patches. It is better to use they?
11:52 < rxr> some are nice to haves - but they should not be vitial for a kernel to run normally on your ibook
11:53 < rxr> hm - one patch alters the Apple Desktop Bus keyboard mapping - I did that recently to have usable keyboard mappings - e.g. on the iBook
11:53 < rxr> but you need to change your x-server config in oder to operate usable in X ...
12:01 < martin> hmmm, okay. thanks
12:01 < rxr> but with that adb keyboard patch you can finally use the de layout on the virtual terminal
12:02 < martin> one last question at morning time: why my kernel is with oss?
12:02 < rxr> and plug a normal (e.g. PC) usb keyboard into your ibook and use both keyboard with the same layout and all key acting as expected
12:02 < rxr> because you most probably selected it ... - the prebuilt T2 kernel coem with OSS disabled (who needs such old crap anyway ;-)
12:02 < martin> hmmm, what is a virtual terminal?
12:03 < rxr> erhm - should have better wrote virtual consolse
12:03 < rxr> the things at alt-F1 up to alt-f6 ;-)
12:03 < martin> ~~~martin@julia:/usr/src/linux$ cat .config | grep OSS
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=m
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m
12:03 < martin> # CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS is not set
12:03 < martin> he he. okay
12:03 < rxr> then rockplug loads the oss moduels before the alsa ones
12:04 < rxr> you can control this in /etc/conf/sound
12:04 < rxr> at this into the file:
12:04 < rxr> SOUND_SYSTEM="ALSA" # or OSS
12:04 < rxr> add even - well /me needs to wake up ...
12:05 < martin> i must create /etc/conf/sound new. not exist at this time
12:07 < rxr> but your rock does already use rockplug?
12:07 < rxr> $ l /sbin/rockplug
12:07 < rxr> ?
12:07 < martin> rockplug exist
12:08 < rxr> ok - then give adding that to the file a try
12:08 < rxr> (hopefully your old rockplug honours it ...)
12:08 < rxr> or just build a kernel without OSS support ...
12:09 < rxr> btw the stuff you pated above was not the OSS stuff
12:09 < rxr> but the ALSA emulation - that is ok ...
12:10 < rxr> those are the bad buys:
12:10 < rxr> boys even:
12:10 < rxr> CONFIG_SOUND=m
12:10 < rxr> CONFIG_DMASOUND_PMAC=m
12:10 < rxr> CONFIG_DMASOUND=m
12:14 < martin> okay, this is look like my option
12:15 < rxr> then disable those completey - the modules will not be built - and never loaded ... ;-)
12:22 < martin> when I disable those comletey, will there no Sound support in "Device Driver->Sound" (< > Sound card support, makemenuconfig). It's realy correct_
12:22 < martin> ?
12:23 < rxr> 2.4 or 2.6?
12:23 < martin> 2.6
12:23 < rxr> Open Sound System --->
12:24 < rxr> < > Open Sound System (DEPRECATED)
12:24 < rxr> ^- that is the right option to disable
12:25 < rxr> ok - CONFIG_SOUND in the list above should not have been there ;-)
12:25 < rxr> CONFIG_SOUND_PRIME is the OSS config option :-(
12:26 < martin> It was disabled. :(
12:28 < martin> okay, I build and hope, it will work
12:40 < rxr> I just track a strange problem ...
12:40 < rxr> oh my
12:44 < martin> rxr (in german): ALSA scheint zu funktionieren. Aber KDE (artsd) bringt nur Rauschen raus. :-((
12:44 < rxr> ouhm ...
12:45 < martin> bash-2.05b$ artsd
12:45 < martin> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:494:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
12:45 < rxr> hast du snd-psm-oss und snd-mixer-oss geladen=
12:45 < martin> but artsd starts. It's a artsd error-message or a alsa-error_
12:45 < martin> ?
12:45 < rxr> arts is quite crappy - maybe better use it with the ALSA OSS emulation ...
12:45 < rxr> (I never use s.th. as ugly as arts anyway)
12:46 < martin> most of kde-software use arts :(
12:47 < rxr> in 4.0 they will rip out arts and replace it with
12:47 < martin> snd_powermac 44804 1
12:47 < martin> snd_pcm 121236 2 snd_powermac
12:47 < martin> snd_page_alloc 13448 1 snd_pcm
12:47 < martin> snd_timer 29632 1 snd_pcm
12:47 < martin> snd 72900 4 snd_powermac,snd_pcm,snd_timer
12:47 < rxr> s.th. seriously ;-)
12:47 < rxr> modporbe snd-pcm-oss
12:48 < martin> u run KDE 3.3 on your atlon?
12:48 < rxr> yes
12:48 < rxr> and on this iBook
12:49 < martin> KDE 3.3 has OSD-Support vor iBooks ;)
12:49 < rxr> I know - and I had to find out of to disable it ...:-(
12:49 < martin> okay, it will be my next quation
12:49 < rxr> maybe even 3.2 already had it ...
12:50 < rxr> in the kde control center - I need to search for it ... :-(
12:50 < rxr> somewhere at system events ...
12:58 < martin> hmmm, shit. artsd will not realy work
13:15 < martin> okay, now mpd will not play again ... ach f***!
13:15 < rxr> martin: do you need to utilize bring in service to let me debug s.th.?
13:15 < rxr> before you again claim that s.th. w/ linux sucks and BSD is nicer?
13:16 < martin> hmm, mplayer will not work, too
13:17 < martin> hmmmm, the problem is ALSA. And I self. I have no know (wissen?) about linux and sound
13:20 < rxr> wissen == knowledge
13:20 * martin guckt mal nach Mittagessen kurz ...
13:20 < martin> thanks
13:30 < martin> hmm, benutzte gerade kein kde und arts
13:30 < martin> aber esound will auch nicht starten
13:31 < martin> obwohl, mit snd-pcm-oss startet esound
13:32 < rxr> google for alan cox and esound ;-) then you will get a second opinion beside mine that esound is the crappiest thing around ...
13:32 * rxr wonders if we should delete such crap in t2 ;-)
13:32 < jsaw_> rxr: hope you don't mind that I fixed a typo and commited it also?
13:32 < rxr> no - thanks1
13:35 < jsaw_> I'm however not sure how that influences the build (see bdb_config.sh). Probably a default link to libdb.so has to be created somewhere.
13:35 < rxr> yes - I have a tiny regression with the bdb's on my list due to some 1.8.5 compat stuff
13:37 < rxr> net commit running
13:39 < jsaw_> 1-modutils.err:
13:39 < jsaw_> [...]
13:39 < jsaw_> Creating file list and doing final adaptions ...
13:39 < jsaw_> Created file outside basedir: /usr/man/man1/./kernelversion.old.1
13:39 < jsaw_> [list of all files the package contains]
13:40 < rxr> hm
13:41 < rxr> s/net/next/
13:42 < jsaw_> could be the same error like the one previously reported and is not a t2 but a luser problem (/me using mount --bind)...
13:51 < rxr> so - enought t2 for the "morning" - need to do some uni stuff ;-) and lunch ...
14:27 < martin> ja
14:27 < martin> .msg rxr reboote mal eben ...
14:42 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
14:44 < rxr> hi mnemoc
14:44 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:17 * martin is away ....
19:03 < rxr> so - todays the error count shrunk again ...
19:03 < rxr> and one was an ugly regression from rock times master fake introduced *sigh*
19:04 < mnemoc> uhm?
19:04 < rxr> e2fsprogs ...
19:04 < mnemoc> linux26?
19:04 < rxr> did not install it's headers and such ..
19:04 < rxr> no
19:04 < rxr> update without any sanity checks ...
19:04 < mnemoc> err :\
19:05 < rxr> wow - just taking a look into rock svn they managed to notice it too ...
19:05 < rxr> I thought the submaster patches are so blessed and tested ... - well, ...
19:06 < mnemoc> OT: i got warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the header for the header for C++ includes, or instead of the deprecated header . To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. when building your cpu-meter
19:06 < rxr> yep
19:07 < mnemoc> and finally cpumeter.c++:5:23: strstream.h: No such file or directory :\
19:08 < rxr> the cpumeter should not be compiled, ...
19:08 < rxr> it is "old crap"
19:08 < rxr> why do you try this?
19:08 < mnemoc> i dont' know :p
19:09 < mnemoc> make && exec anything
19:09 < mnemoc> dyncpud & should keep my CPU in good shape?
19:10 < rxr> yes
19:10 < rxr> does it still output some debug to stdout?
19:10 < rxr> and check /proc/cpuinfo if the frequency and/or bogomips really change accordingly ..
19:11 < rxr> I fixed cpumeter
19:11 < rxr> svn up ;-)
19:12 < rxr> but do not try to start it ;-) it does output the load to the parallelport using direct i/o for LED beeing connected via a resitor array ...
19:12 < mnemoc> o_O
19:14 < rxr> me shortly away
19:14 < rxr> and then longer for a beer - but i'm back in between ...
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20:05 < rxr> oh - cool - a rebuild just indicates all my fixes also caused other regressions to be fixed ;-)
20:11 < mnemoc> as usual :p
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20:13 < rxr> yeah ;-)!
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21:51 < martin__> re
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22:18 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos mozilla searchplugins, can be configured to use that stuff from $HOME/.mozilla instead of /opt/ ?
22:34 < martin_> ahhh, there is no Java 1.4 vor Linux/PPC! (I don't realy use it, but I need it)
22:54 < martin_> gn8 all
--- Log closed Wed Sep 29 00:00:57 2004
09:38 < martin> moin
10:17 < rxr> moin
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10:50 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Sep 27 16:45:14 2004]
10:50 [Users #t2]
10:50 [ jsaw_] [ martin] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
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10:50 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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11:24 < martin> rxr: you tell me, there is a kernel-patch to "see" the essid from wlan stations?
11:31 < rxr> well - the patch does even more ...
11:32 < rxr> what do you want - just the essid you are already connected too?
11:32 < rxr> this is shown by iwconfig or wavemon ...
11:32 < martin> I will find the right location with essid.
11:34 < martin> And will build Gnome 2.8 with no erros?
11:41 < rxr> nope - at least here some packages fail - but most (including nautilus) do build ...
11:41 < rxr> but they are not T2 problem - just pure "gnome C people do not know what they do" bugs ...
11:42 < rxr> what do you mean with "right location with essid" ?
11:45 < martin> rxr: un german: Ich setzye mich irgendwo hin und sehe alle ESSIDs und kann dem entsprechend meine Einstellungen vornehmen
11:47 < rxr> to see all essid's in the air you indeed need the kernel patch for you orinoco based card in the ibook
11:47 < rxr> I could add the patch to the t2 kernels later in an hour or so if you like
11:52 < martin> yes, please. in t2 are much more patches. I have never use this patches. It is better to use they?
11:52 < rxr> some are nice to haves - but they should not be vitial for a kernel to run normally on your ibook
11:53 < rxr> hm - one patch alters the Apple Desktop Bus keyboard mapping - I did that recently to have usable keyboard mappings - e.g. on the iBook
11:53 < rxr> but you need to change your x-server config in oder to operate usable in X ...
12:01 < martin> hmmm, okay. thanks
12:01 < rxr> but with that adb keyboard patch you can finally use the de layout on the virtual terminal
12:02 < martin> one last question at morning time: why my kernel is with oss?
12:02 < rxr> and plug a normal (e.g. PC) usb keyboard into your ibook and use both keyboard with the same layout and all key acting as expected
12:02 < rxr> because you most probably selected it ... - the prebuilt T2 kernel coem with OSS disabled (who needs such old crap anyway ;-)
12:02 < martin> hmmm, what is a virtual terminal?
12:03 < rxr> erhm - should have better wrote virtual consolse
12:03 < rxr> the things at alt-F1 up to alt-f6 ;-)
12:03 < martin> ~~~martin@julia:/usr/src/linux$ cat .config | grep OSS
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=m
12:03 < martin> CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m
12:03 < martin> # CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS is not set
12:03 < martin> he he. okay
12:03 < rxr> then rockplug loads the oss moduels before the alsa ones
12:04 < rxr> you can control this in /etc/conf/sound
12:04 < rxr> at this into the file:
12:04 < rxr> SOUND_SYSTEM="ALSA" # or OSS
12:04 < rxr> add even - well /me needs to wake up ...
12:05 < martin> i must create /etc/conf/sound new. not exist at this time
12:07 < rxr> but your rock does already use rockplug?
12:07 < rxr> $ l /sbin/rockplug
12:07 < rxr> ?
12:07 < martin> rockplug exist
12:08 < rxr> ok - then give adding that to the file a try
12:08 < rxr> (hopefully your old rockplug honours it ...)
12:08 < rxr> or just build a kernel without OSS support ...
12:09 < rxr> btw the stuff you pated above was not the OSS stuff
12:09 < rxr> but the ALSA emulation - that is ok ...
12:10 < rxr> those are the bad buys:
12:10 < rxr> boys even:
12:10 < rxr> CONFIG_SOUND=m
12:10 < rxr> CONFIG_DMASOUND_PMAC=m
12:10 < rxr> CONFIG_DMASOUND=m
12:14 < martin> okay, this is look like my option
12:15 < rxr> then disable those completey - the modules will not be built - and never loaded ... ;-)
12:22 < martin> when I disable those comletey, will there no Sound support in "Device Driver->Sound" (< > Sound card support, makemenuconfig). It's realy correct_
12:22 < martin> ?
12:23 < rxr> 2.4 or 2.6?
12:23 < martin> 2.6
12:23 < rxr> Open Sound System --->
12:24 < rxr> < > Open Sound System (DEPRECATED)
12:24 < rxr> ^- that is the right option to disable
12:25 < rxr> ok - CONFIG_SOUND in the list above should not have been there ;-)
12:25 < rxr> CONFIG_SOUND_PRIME is the OSS config option :-(
12:26 < martin> It was disabled. :(
12:28 < martin> okay, I build and hope, it will work
12:40 < rxr> I just track a strange problem ...
12:40 < rxr> oh my
12:44 < martin> rxr (in german): ALSA scheint zu funktionieren. Aber KDE (artsd) bringt nur Rauschen raus. :-((
12:44 < rxr> ouhm ...
12:45 < martin> bash-2.05b$ artsd
12:45 < martin> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:494:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
12:45 < rxr> hast du snd-psm-oss und snd-mixer-oss geladen=
12:45 < martin> but artsd starts. It's a artsd error-message or a alsa-error_
12:45 < martin> ?
12:45 < rxr> arts is quite crappy - maybe better use it with the ALSA OSS emulation ...
12:45 < rxr> (I never use s.th. as ugly as arts anyway)
12:46 < martin> most of kde-software use arts :(
12:47 < rxr> in 4.0 they will rip out arts and replace it with
12:47 < martin> snd_powermac 44804 1
12:47 < martin> snd_pcm 121236 2 snd_powermac
12:47 < martin> snd_page_alloc 13448 1 snd_pcm
12:47 < martin> snd_timer 29632 1 snd_pcm
12:47 < martin> snd 72900 4 snd_powermac,snd_pcm,snd_timer
12:47 < rxr> s.th. seriously ;-)
12:47 < rxr> modporbe snd-pcm-oss
12:48 < martin> u run KDE 3.3 on your atlon?
12:48 < rxr> yes
12:48 < rxr> and on this iBook
12:49 < martin> KDE 3.3 has OSD-Support vor iBooks ;)
12:49 < rxr> I know - and I had to find out of to disable it ...:-(
12:49 < martin> okay, it will be my next quation
12:49 < rxr> maybe even 3.2 already had it ...
12:50 < rxr> in the kde control center - I need to search for it ... :-(
12:50 < rxr> somewhere at system events ...
12:58 < martin> hmmm, shit. artsd will not realy work
13:15 < martin> okay, now mpd will not play again ... ach f***!
13:15 < rxr> martin: do you need to utilize bring in service to let me debug s.th.?
13:15 < rxr> before you again claim that s.th. w/ linux sucks and BSD is nicer?
13:16 < martin> hmm, mplayer will not work, too
13:17 < martin> hmmmm, the problem is ALSA. And I self. I have no know (wissen?) about linux and sound
13:20 < rxr> wissen == knowledge
13:20 * martin guckt mal nach Mittagessen kurz ...
13:20 < martin> thanks
13:30 < martin> hmm, benutzte gerade kein kde und arts
13:30 < martin> aber esound will auch nicht starten
13:31 < martin> obwohl, mit snd-pcm-oss startet esound
13:32 < rxr> google for alan cox and esound ;-) then you will get a second opinion beside mine that esound is the crappiest thing around ...
13:32 * rxr wonders if we should delete such crap in t2 ;-)
13:32 < jsaw_> rxr: hope you don't mind that I fixed a typo and commited it also?
13:32 < rxr> no - thanks1
13:35 < jsaw_> I'm however not sure how that influences the build (see bdb_config.sh). Probably a default link to libdb.so has to be created somewhere.
13:35 < rxr> yes - I have a tiny regression with the bdb's on my list due to some 1.8.5 compat stuff
13:37 < rxr> net commit running
13:39 < jsaw_> 1-modutils.err:
13:39 < jsaw_> [...]
13:39 < jsaw_> Creating file list and doing final adaptions ...
13:39 < jsaw_> Created file outside basedir: /usr/man/man1/./kernelversion.old.1
13:39 < jsaw_> [list of all files the package contains]
13:40 < rxr> hm
13:41 < rxr> s/net/next/
13:42 < jsaw_> could be the same error like the one previously reported and is not a t2 but a luser problem (/me using mount --bind)...
13:51 < rxr> so - enought t2 for the "morning" - need to do some uni stuff ;-) and lunch ...
14:27 < martin> ja
14:27 < martin> .msg rxr reboote mal eben ...
14:42 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
14:44 < rxr> hi mnemoc
14:44 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:17 * martin is away ....
19:03 < rxr> so - todays the error count shrunk again ...
19:03 < rxr> and one was an ugly regression from rock times master fake introduced *sigh*
19:04 < mnemoc> uhm?
19:04 < rxr> e2fsprogs ...
19:04 < mnemoc> linux26?
19:04 < rxr> did not install it's headers and such ..
19:04 < rxr> no
19:04 < rxr> update without any sanity checks ...
19:04 < mnemoc> err :\
19:05 < rxr> wow - just taking a look into rock svn they managed to notice it too ...
19:05 < rxr> I thought the submaster patches are so blessed and tested ... - well, ...
19:06 < mnemoc> OT: i got warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the
19:06 < rxr> yep
19:07 < mnemoc> and finally cpumeter.c++:5:23: strstream.h: No such file or directory :\
19:08 < rxr> the cpumeter should not be compiled, ...
19:08 < rxr> it is "old crap"
19:08 < rxr> why do you try this?
19:08 < mnemoc> i dont' know :p
19:09 < mnemoc> make && exec anything
19:09 < mnemoc> dyncpud & should keep my CPU in good shape?
19:10 < rxr> yes
19:10 < rxr> does it still output some debug to stdout?
19:10 < rxr> and check /proc/cpuinfo if the frequency and/or bogomips really change accordingly ..
19:11 < rxr> I fixed cpumeter
19:11 < rxr> svn up ;-)
19:12 < rxr> but do not try to start it ;-) it does output the load to the parallelport using direct i/o for LED beeing connected via a resitor array ...
19:12 < mnemoc> o_O
19:14 < rxr> me shortly away
19:14 < rxr> and then longer for a beer - but i'm back in between ...
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20:05 < rxr> oh - cool - a rebuild just indicates all my fixes also caused other regressions to be fixed ;-)
20:11 < mnemoc> as usual :p
20:11 * mnemoc hides
20:13 < rxr> yeah ;-)!
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21:51 < martin__> re
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22:18 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos mozilla searchplugins, can be configured to use that stuff from $HOME/.mozilla instead of /opt/ ?
22:34 < martin_> ahhh, there is no Java 1.4 vor Linux/PPC! (I don't realy use it, but I need it)
22:54 < martin_> gn8 all
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