T2 IRC Log: 2009-02-07

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--- Log opened Sat Feb 07 00:00:13 2009
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01:52 < CIA-23> aldas * r32115 /trunk/package/kde/kdebluetooth/: * droped kdebluetooth, deprecated by kdebluetooth4
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10:29 < mpp> trunk does not build anymore even minimal target
10:31 < mpp> http://pastebin.com/m25188102
10:31 < mpp> imho t2 would benefit of doing clean automated test builds on some selected targets
10:32 < mpp> no incremental builds !
11:01 < rxr> probably a binutils regression
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11:04 < mpp> ah ...
11:04 < mpp> makes sense
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11:06 < bdheeman> aye! http://bugs.t2-project.org, there is 'No matching server entry!'
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11:50 < mpp> glibc building issue with binutils works on r32033
11:51 < mpp> im digging up the revisions to see at what point building breaks
11:51 < mpp> i'll drop a note when i pinpointed the broken revision
11:51 < rxr> we did not update binutils too often in between
11:53 < mpp> but it's definetly the binutils
11:53 < mpp> another great news:
11:53 < mpp> with kernel 2.6.28 the amd phenom multicore does not segfault anymore :-)
11:54 < mpp> i am very happy about that one !!!
11:56 < rxr> :-)
11:58 < mpp> we really need an automated build policy framework for some targets
11:58 < mpp> i am tired of those regressions
11:59 < mpp> a dedicated build server is on my mind
12:00 < rxr> i got a 8-core here since a year, it's already test build in virtual containers
12:00 < rxr> I can indeed further extend that
12:02 < mpp> at least for me the rescue target without the x fluff is vital
12:02 < mpp> so is the generic -minimal for the build host itself
12:03 < mpp> maybe it's time to think about a more community driven fork / policy
12:04 < mpp> individual efforts cannot compete with networked man power imho
12:04 < mpp> i realize that all this a bit hard to achieve with svn ....
12:05 < mpp> probably most people have their own local repos - at least i do
12:05 < mpp> so lot's of upstream stuff doesn't even make it into the trunk
12:06 < mpp> so i found the revision
12:06 < mpp> 32085 is where glibc breaks
12:06 < mpp> due to binutils update
12:08 < mpp> sorry its 32084 :-)
12:27 < rxr> do you have new packages or fixes in your local repository ?
12:28 < mpp> a few
12:28 < mpp> mainly xorg related stuff
12:28 < mpp> i'll make some upgrading today and see if they are fixed with the svn updates
12:28 < mpp> :-)
12:43 < rxr> toll, gestern erst den router kernel upgedated (2.6.26 -> .28) und heute kommt .4 raus, damnit!
12:43 < mpp> that's life ....
12:43 < rxr> thats linux
12:44 < mpp> that's harsh
12:44 < rxr> maybe I should add supprt for dragonfly BSD -- or anything else based on a micro kernel
12:44 < mpp> openbsd comes to mind in terms of code quality and stabilty
12:44 < rxr> openbsd is a monolithic kernel
12:45 < mpp> and dragonfly ...
12:45 < rxr> I'll not migrate to anythign not a micro kernel in this millenium ..
12:45 < rxr> dragonfly is a rewrite / migration to micro kernel :-)
12:45 < mpp> cool
12:45 < mpp> i'll have a look at it
12:45 < rxr> yep, but I only test booted it once in KVM, no real research done yet form my side
12:45 < mpp> i also twinkle with bsd these days
12:46 < mpp> the linux fuzz really is fast mutilating b***s***
12:46 < rxr> I with micro kernels ...
12:46 < rxr> yesterday I found 2.6.26 and 2.6.28 with a 3com NIC to panic under high network load ...
12:47 < mpp> same old story...
12:47 < rxr> replaced one nic with a cheap realtec, problem solved ... :-(
12:47 < mpp> 3com is known to have issues since the early linux days
12:47 < rxr> 3com was rock solid 10y ago
12:47 < mpp> brb
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12:47 < rxr> which was why I always brought them
12:51 [Users #t2]
12:51 [@ChanServ] [ koan ] [ mtr ] [ Skaperen] [ {Brad}]
12:51 [ CIA-23 ] [ LMJ ] [ RayMan72] [ Stealth ]
12:51 [ dsoul ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
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12:51 [ dsoul ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
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13:01 < CIA-23> rene * r32116 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.28.3 -> 2.6.28.4)
13:39 < CIA-23> rene * r32117 /trunk/package/printing/gutenprint/gutenprint.desc: * updated gutenprint (5.2.2 -> 5.2.3)
13:39 < CIA-23> rene * r32118 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (2.6.3 -> 2.6.4)
13:39 < CIA-23> rene * r32119 /trunk/package/x86/x86info/x86info.desc: * updated x86info (1.23 -> 1.24)
13:57 < mpp> rxr: can t2 build on a bsd host ?
14:01 < rxr> cross build theoretically
14:01 < rxr> never tried (beside some basic tests under mac os x)
14:01 < rxr> in theory t2 can also build user-land stuff into foreign os
14:01 < rxr> e.g. I used it to build subversion etc. for mac os x even some 2-3 years ago (when the xcode toosl did not yet ship with svn etc. pp.)
14:02 < rxr> or t2 could build for FreeBSD or Solaris - like those pkgport stuff
14:02 < rxr> but some rough edges should be polished for smoother building without manual tinkery for a start
14:02 < mpp> cool
14:02 < rxr> we have those on the roadmap and google SOC possible project list
14:03 < mpp> another thing that would make life easier is the distcc
14:03 < rxr> not for the cross building on non-linux OSs AFAICS
14:03 < mpp> i have a bunch of questions for using it on t2 building process
14:04 < rxr> I have some client work on my desk - we should chat later about it .-)
14:04 < mpp> k
14:04 < mpp> till then
14:04 < rxr> yep
14:04 < rxr> have a nice saturday so faf
14:04 < rxr> far
14:05 < rxr> linux serial USB WWAN modem stuff has bugs on PPC :-(
14:05 < rxr> triggers all kind of bad behaviour - including unalignment and other exception oopses :-(
14:11 < rxr> why the heck do I get no 3G lock in the office right now
14:12 < rxr> always when you need it
14:17 < CIA-23> rene * r32120 /trunk/package/gnome2/gparted/gparted.desc: * updated gparted (0.4.1 -> 0.4.2)
14:17 < CIA-23> rene * r32121 /trunk/package/multimedia/libmtp/libmtp.desc: * updated libmtp (0.3.3 -> 0.3.6)
14:17 < CIA-23> rene * r32122 /trunk/package/develop/ucommon/ucommon.desc: * updated ucommon (2.0.2 -> 2.0.4)
14:17 < CIA-23> rene * r32123 /trunk/package/network/libzrtpcpp/libzrtpcpp.desc: * updated libzrtpcpp (1.4.2 -> 1.4.3)
14:17 < CIA-23> rene * r32124 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (0.9.9.5 -> 0.9.9.6)
14:17 < CIA-23> rene * r32125 /trunk/package/network/licq/licq.desc: * updated licq (1.3.5 -> 1.3.6)
14:19 < rxr> now the usb-serial crashed my whole linux kernel
14:19 < rxr> wonderful monolythic life
14:19 < rxr> and all this is dead simple code that could happily live in user-space even on linux ...
14:19 < rxr> minimal byte passing down to a USB endpind ...
14:19 < rxr> endpoint
14:20 < rxr> (whole linux kernel on x86-64, usb-serial has even greater bugs on ppc*)
14:23 < rxr> ------------[ cut here ]------------
14:23 < rxr> WARNING: at drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c:326 serial_write_room+0x53/0x6a [usbserial]()
14:24 < rxr> [] warn_on_slowpath+0x51/0x75
14:24 < rxr> [] ehci_urb_enqueue+0x152/0xd2c [ehci_hcd]
14:24 < rxr> WARNING: at drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c:313 serial_write+0x79/0x9d [usbserial]()
14:24 < rxr> [] warn_on_slowpath+0x51/0x75
14:24 < rxr> [] serial_write+0x79/0x9d [usbserial]
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15:23 < Baldzius> e
15:23 < Baldzius> moin
15:28 < CIA-23> aldas * r32126 /trunk/package/scientific/epix/epix.desc: * updated epix (1.2.2 -> 1.2.5)
15:28 < CIA-23> aldas * r32127 /trunk/package/kde/kipi-plugins/kipi-plugins-0.2.0-libgpod.patch: * fixed kipi-plugins to build with latest libgpod
15:58 < CIA-23> aldas * r32128 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.9.6 -> 2.9.7)
15:59 < CIA-23> aldas * r32129 /trunk/package/network/proftpd/proftpd.desc:
15:59 < CIA-23> * updated proftpd (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
15:59 < CIA-23> * security update
15:59 < CIA-23> aldas * r32130 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * updated postgresql (8.3.5 -> 8.3.6)
15:59 < CIA-23> aldas * r32131 /trunk/package/mail/dovecot/dovecot.desc: * updated dovecot (1.1.10 -> 1.1.11)
16:11 < CIA-23> aldas * r32132 /trunk/package/network/wireshark/wireshark.desc: * updated wireshark (1.0.5 -> 1.0.6)
16:27 < mpp> rxr: upgrading to the current revision works fine now - except for the binutils i had to revert them to
16:27 < mpp> 2.19.51.0.1
16:36 < rxr> ok
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17:16 < Skaperen> g/m
17:16 < Skaperen> (while it's still barely morning here)
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17:21 < CIA-23> rene * r32133 /trunk/package/network/ppp/rocknet_ppp.sh:
17:21 < CIA-23> * improved / cleaned-up ppp/rocknet_ppp.sh by removing
17:21 < CIA-23> extra quotes, added soem more standard abort strings,
17:21 < CIA-23> and timeouts
17:34 < CIA-23> rene * r32134 /trunk/package/graphic/devil/devil.desc: * updated devil (1.7.1 -> 1.7.7)
17:43 < rxr> hi Skaperen
17:49 < mpp> package groff is broken
17:49 < mpp> configure-csh.patch.cross patch is oboslete
17:57 < mpp> wondering why the patch is still in my repo ...
17:57 < mpp> according to the svn log it's beeing removed
17:59 < mpp> wrong alert i guess
17:59 < mpp> an issue with my svn syncing aparently
18:21 < Skaperen> svn has been known to do that
18:21 < Skaperen> I've had it check back in stuff I previously deleted
18:25 < mpp> it's rather my local rsync
18:26 < mpp> can't do --delete on rsync
18:26 < mpp> that's the caveat
18:26 < mpp> anyways ..
18:27 < mpp> well another scm tools comes in mind
18:27 < mpp> i think i'll have to look into git's svn syncing capability to avoid this fuzz
18:28 < mpp> k im out for today - see you around
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18:36 < Skaperen> your rsync doesn't do --delete? or you don't want to do --delete so you can retain old stuff?
18:37 < Skaperen> since he's gone (just noticed) I guess I'm just thinking out loud
18:38 < Skaperen> but this can be handled with rsync and cp ... what I do is I keep 2 directories ... one called "sync" which is the rsync destination (and I use --delete on it)
18:38 < Skaperen> the other is called "arch" ... after a successful rsync run, then I do: cp -afl sync/. arch/.
18:39 < Skaperen> that cp command will make arch be a hardlink copy, but retains all past files since it isn't subject to rsync's --delete
18:41 < Skaperen> if a file is updated, only the updated one is retained ... if you want old versions to be local, you're better off doing an svn replication
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20:18 < mpp> hey yo - back in for a short note
20:19 < mpp> squashfs package is obsolete in new kernel 2.6.28
20:19 < mpp> i think
20:19 < mpp> but my usb keyboard does not map alt-f1 stuff anymore
20:19 < mpp> allthoug usb modules are loaded correctly
20:19 < mpp> damnit
20:20 < mpp> chvt is a workaround - but wtf do the f-keys not work ?
20:20 < mpp> any suggestions are welcome
20:20 < mpp> Skaperen: i need to rework the svn syncing definetly
20:21 < mpp> thanx for the advice anyway
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22:42 < CIA-23> aldas * r32135 /trunk/package/develop/hdf5/ (hdf5.conf hdf5.desc): * reverted r29815 and updated hdf5 (1.8.1 -> 1.6.8), 1.8 currently breaks octave
22:42 < CIA-23> aldas * r32136 /trunk/package/scientific/octave/octave.desc: * updated octave (3.0.1 -> 3.0.3)
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