T2 IRC Log: 2007-10-21

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--- Log opened Sun Oct 21 00:00:50 2007
00:20 < CIA-8> aldas * r26497 /branches/7.0/package/printing/ifhp/ifhp.conf: * fixed ifhp by removing -Werror in branches/7.0
00:57 < CIA-8> aldas * r26498 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * updated evolution-data-server (1.10.3.1 -> 1.12.1)
00:57 < CIA-8> aldas * r26499 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-webcal/evolution-webcal.desc: * updated evolution-webcal (2.10.0 -> 2.12.0)
00:57 < CIA-8> aldas * r26500 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.desc: * updated evolution (2.10.3 -> 2.12.1)
00:58 < CIA-8> aldas * r26501 /trunk/package/gnustep/renaissance/renaissance.desc: * changed renaissance build priority (162.000 -> 162.450) and marked it NOPARALLEL
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12:04 < sepp> moin :)
12:10 < Enqlave> hi
12:10 < sepp> hi Enqlave
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12:25 < rxr> re
12:27 < sepp> hi rxr
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12:28 < tri> moin
12:29 < tri> i cann't compile perl
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12:29 < tri> in stage 1
12:29 < tri> i can't compile the test program. You have a BIG problem ??
12:31 < sepp> any chance that the hosts /bin/sh points to dash?
12:33 < rxr> we have some other 1-perl regression in trunk
12:34 < rxr> lars changed the config CC from gcc to $CC, which helped some cases but broke others
12:34 < rxr> either rever tthat or use 7.0 for now
12:34 < rxr> I'm working on finally fixing (by reworking) the perl cross compilation
12:37 < tri> do i also have to change ccname and ld ?
12:39 < rxr> you can review such stuff with commands like this: svn log -r 24000:HEAD t2-trunk/package/perl/perl
12:39 < rxr> r26311 | lars | 2007-10-11 12:57:20 +0200 (Thu, 11 Oct 2007) | 3 lines
12:39 < rxr> * Merged rev. 26310 into trunk:
12:39 < rxr> Use $CC instead of hardcoded gcc in perl.conf.
12:39 < rxr> you can locally revert with
12:39 < rxr> svn merge -c -26311
12:40 < tri> ah svn log is a great thing
12:40 < tri> how do is see the changed lines ?
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12:40 < Baldzius> moin
12:40 < rxr> tri: svn diff -c 26311
12:45 < CIA-8> aldas * r26502 /branches/7.0/package/gnustep/renaissance/renaissance.desc:
12:45 < CIA-8> * merged r26501 from trunk to branches/7.0:
12:45 < CIA-8> changed renaissance build priority (162.000 -> 162.450) and marked it NOPARALLEL
12:47 < tri> ah thx rxr perl build looks better now :-)
12:47 < tri> what is the idea to not hardcode gcc in perl.conf ?
12:47 < tri> to be able to build perl with another compiler ?
12:47 < tri> when is this needed ?
12:48 < rxr> when there is gcc, the host system compiler is used
12:48 < rxr> that is the compiler of the underlying OS, e.g. the Debian gcc etc.
12:48 < rxr> when we cross build we can not use that, but must use the cross compiler
12:48 < rxr> that is in the $CC variable
12:48 < rxr> for your build that might be something like i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc or so ...
12:49 < rxr> altough this fixed a bug for Lars (building on a very fat company server running Ubuntu) it introduces regressions for others of us because perl tries to run the test binraries
12:49 < tri> ah i see - i have to use another compiler or other compiler settings if i want to cross compile ?
12:49 < tri> this is done via the $CC variable
12:49 < rxr> we need to somehow configure perl differently, while cross building no executables can be run to check for features
12:50 < rxr> in fact 1600 packages in t2 do not do so and just cross compile
12:50 < rxr> the build system of perl is just one of the most ugly / crappy ones ...
12:50 < tri> like the oo.org ones :-) ?
12:50 < rxr> yes, the $CC variables (as i normal makefiles) holds the compiler to use
12:51 < rxr> and additionally the $BUILD_CC or so holds the host compiler that can be used for helper programs
12:51 < rxr> normally BUILD_CC is just cc or so
12:51 < tri> ah ok 1600 packages in t2 can cross compile without doing any special things
12:51 < rxr> well - we patched an quirked many of them :-)
12:51 < rxr> but yes, nearly 50 % of the T2 packages cross compile
12:52 < rxr> perl normally, too - just that it is more by accident than due to a quality configure system in perl
12:52 < tri> ah ok so in perl it make sence to compile the test programm with $BUILD_CC and the other things with $CC ?
12:52 < rxr> we need to improve this
12:52 < rxr> no, the test programs are for stuff like "stack growing up or down" or database x, y or z available
12:52 < rxr> that can neither be tested with the host compiler as that would just probe what the host system contains
12:53 < rxr> normally those tests (in other configure setups) do not run the tests, that is forbidden actually, just that perl config is coded very simple and just compiles && run for each test
12:53 < rxr> right now perl in t2 only cross builds whe the host system is simillar enough to the target
12:54 < rxr> but I'll patch perl up soon to do this cleanly
12:54 < tri> ah ok
12:54 < rxr> some other packages have simillar problems, though - e.g. libnet or what it was named
12:54 < rxr> it also tries to run tests for bigendian and other stuff
12:54 < rxr> that is on my list to patch up, soon, too
12:54 < tri> i don't use cross compiling or something about it - but it is cool that t2 supports that :-)
12:55 < rxr> the thing is you even need real cross building even on the same CPU
12:55 < tri> /or/or know/
12:55 < rxr> when you bootstrap a new c library / compiler version
12:55 < rxr> e.g. glibc-2.7 && gcc-4.2 on an older debian et al system
12:56 < rxr> otherwise it would mix the binaries and feature detection and this would result in all kinds of stray broken binaries and build errors when not seperated cleanly
12:58 < CIA-8> aldas * r26503 /branches/7.0/package/develop/php/php.desc:
12:58 < CIA-8> * merged r25844 from trunk to branches/7.0:
12:58 < CIA-8> updated php (5.2.3 -> 5.2.4)
12:58 < CIA-8> security update: CVE-2007-2872, CVE-2007-3378, CVE-2007-3806
13:12 < CIA-8> rene * r26504 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * updated alien (8.68 -> 8.69)
13:20 < CIA-8> rene * r26505 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (114 -> 116)
13:23 < CIA-8> rene * r26506 /trunk/package/gnome2/orbit2/orbit2.desc: * updated orbit2 (2.14.9 -> 2.14.10)
13:25 < CIA-8> rene * r26507 /trunk/package/audio/ (7 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:25 < CIA-8> * updated alsa-lib (1.0.14a -> 1.0.15)
13:25 < CIA-8> * updated alsa-utils (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15)
13:25 < CIA-8> * updated alsa-oss (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15)
13:25 < CIA-8> * updated alsa-firmware (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15)
13:25 < CIA-8> * updated alsa-tools (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15)
13:25 < CIA-8> * updated alsa-plugins (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15)
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13:36 < CIA-8> rene * r26508 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.20.0 -> 1.20.1)
13:36 < CIA-8> rene * r26509 /trunk/package/gnome2/vino/vino.desc: * updated vino (2.20.0 -> 2.20.1)
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15:44 < CIA-8> aldas * r26510 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * updated samba (3.0.26 -> 3.0.26a)
15:51 < CIA-8> aldas * r26511 /branches/7.0/package/audio/audacity/audacity.desc: * updated audacity (1.2.6 -> 1.3.3) in branches/7.0
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17:12 < rxr> re
17:17 < CIA-8> rene * r26512 /trunk/package/security/xyssl/xyssl.desc: * updated xyssl (0.7 -> 0.8)
17:18 < CIA-8> rene * r26513 /trunk/package/multimedia/oxine/oxine.desc: * updated oxine (0.6 -> 0.7.1)
17:19 < CIA-8> rene * r26514 /trunk/package/scientific/octave/octave.desc: * updated octave (2.9.14 -> 2.9.15)
17:19 < CIA-8> rene * r26515 /trunk/package/doc/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20071006 -> 20071021)
17:19 < CIA-8> rene * r26516 /trunk/package/network/hylafax/hylafax.desc: * updated hylafax (5.1.9 -> 5.1.10)
17:28 < CIA-8> rene * r26517 /trunk/misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh:
17:28 < CIA-8> * further improved fmnewpackage.sh to create the new package directory
17:28 < CIA-8> after the meta data was retrieved and also silenced a stray directory
17:28 < CIA-8> printout
18:08 < CIA-8> rene * r26518 /trunk/package/base/findutils/ (findutils.desc var_state.patch): * updated findutils (4.2.24 -> 4.2.31)
18:20 < tri> re
18:20 < rxr> hi tri
18:23 < tri> my build is at stage 5 :-)
18:23 < rxr> tri :-)
18:23 < tri> what is acpi-dsdt for ?
18:23 < rxr> have time for T2 presentation at Systems next week ?
18:24 < tri> you do a t2 presentation at systems ?
18:24 < rxr> looks so
18:24 < rxr> I just write a tiny info mail tot he list
18:24 < rxr> the list
18:25 < tri> hm when is the presentation ?
18:25 < rxr> but maybe Susan will go there as I'm just too busy
18:25 < rxr> tri: whole 4 fair days
18:25 < rxr> as far as it looks we get an info point on the OpenSource area there
18:28 < rxr> tri: this acpi dt patch allows injecting an updated (read fixed) BIOS ACPI DSDT while booting
18:28 < tri> ah cool i have to look if i can fetch a few hours
18:29 < rxr> without the patch you need to patch the kernel if you want to fix somethign related to brokeness in the ACPI implementation of your BIOS
18:29 < rxr> with the patch the initrd can include an updated (read fixed and recompiled) DSDT for your your particular BIOS
18:29 < rxr> info mail sent to the list
18:30 < tri> ah ok why is this patch not in the mainstream kernel
18:30 < rxr> tri: the usual endless discussion and arguing ... :-)
18:30 < Ragnar|away> rxr: anything against updating the nvidia drivers btw?
18:30 < rxr> Ragnar|away: of course not, I'm just not using / needing that driver
18:30 < rxr> Ragnar|away: update it as you see fit :-)
18:31 < Ragnar|away> ok ;)
18:31 < rxr> and in fact I have no silicon to test
18:31 < Ragnar|away> will do tomorrow when I'm back home
18:31 < rxr> that is I got an Riva TNT or so from my parents old box, but I think it's not even supported by the latest binary blob, anymore
18:31 < Ragnar|away> yea
18:32 < rxr> but probably it can be used to test this nouvou (++ correct spelling) driver .-)
18:32 < rxr> nouveau
18:32 < tri> hm the ati driver things is nice, isn't it ?
18:32 * rxr better start learning french
18:32 < tri> /things/thing
18:32 < rxr> tri: yeah ... :-)
18:32 * tri better start learning english
18:33 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/xf86-video-nouveau.html
18:33 < tri> are there already some open / free ati drivers ?
18:33 < CIA-8> rene * r26519 /trunk/package/develop/cmake/cmake.desc: * updated cmake (2.4.6 -> 2.4.7)
18:33 < rxr> well - upto r200/r300 there is quite good open source 3D
18:34 < rxr> then there was the avivio driver for mode setting on latest chips
18:34 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/xf86-video-avivo.html
18:34 < rxr> and noew there is some new radeonhd driver
18:34 < rxr> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-September/028451.html
18:35 < rxr> since AMD/ATi has release chips specs, some weeks ago there probably will be way better open source AMD/ATi drivers, soon
18:35 < tri> hm so after loosing 4:0 our soccer match today - i will now celebrate this with some lunch at our local greek :-)
18:35 < rxr> heh
18:35 < rxr> have fun :-))
18:35 < tri> thx see you later
18:35 < rxr> cu
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19:56 < CIA-8> rene * r26520 /trunk/package/x11/compiz/ (compiz.desc kde.patch): * updated compiz (0.5.0 -> 0.6.2)
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