T2 IRC Log: 2007-10-20

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--- Log opened Sat Oct 20 00:00:49 2007
00:25 < CIA-8> aldas * r26473 /trunk/package/filesystem/siefs/siefs.conf:
00:25 < CIA-8> * merged r26463 from branches/7.0 to trunk:
00:25 < CIA-8> fixed siefs by adding -ldl
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11:55 < sepp> moin
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12:23 < tri> moin
12:24 < tri> does it make sense to use runit on my own desktop machine ?
12:24 < tri> and what does SDECFG_X86_OPT_XEN ?
12:28 < rxr> runit can be used for workstations, yes
12:28 < rxr> the Xen optimization avoids certain segment register use that needs to be emulated slowly when run in Xen
12:30 < tri> ah ok is runit compatible with the t2 init scripts
12:30 < rxr> runit is sort of integegrated
12:30 < rxr> it is suppost to yield runit init configuration
12:32 < tri> it speed up the boot process, right ?
12:32 < rxr> I never really used it, the T2 integration was done by others. ...
12:32 < rxr> maybe try it - or read the project overview or so
12:32 < rxr> but I guess it's faster
12:32 < rxr> and also supports auto restart
12:33 < tri> ah ok thx
12:33 < rxr> e.g. on crash of apache, openssh, etc. where sysvinit does not restart anything
12:33 < tri> you always use sysvinit ?
12:33 < rxr> on normal systems right now yes
12:33 < rxr> on embedded we mostly use busybox's init and minit
12:33 < tri> there is a problem with the iwlwifi package - the new version try to load the file iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode but our file is named iwlwifi-3945.ucode maybe we can change this
12:34 < tri> there is also minit
12:34 < rxr> I guess we also just need a newer firmware ?
12:34 < tri> no same firmware
12:35 < tri> i have a talk with the guys from intellinuxwireless and they said they have had a problem about versioning
12:35 < tri> just rename the *.ucode file to *-1.ucode and it is working again
12:35 < rxr> hm
12:45 < tri> runit in t2 is still used ?
12:46 < rxr> probably
12:46 < rxr> I even plan to test it myself soon, inluding updating it
12:46 < rxr> there is a new major version (1.8? or so?)
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12:49 < tri> hm but i can build my target with sysvinit and then update to runit later ?
12:50 < rxr> you have to rebuild all then
12:50 < rxr> (at least all packages containing init stuff)
12:51 < tri> hm
12:51 < rxr> but that is not soo much of work with t2
12:51 < rxr> just select the other init and let it rebuild automatically ...
12:52 < tri> there is also minit jinit twsinit cinit...
12:53 < tri> hm to much choise ...
12:54 < CIA-8> rene * r26474 /trunk/package/develop/uncrustify/uncrustify.desc: * updated uncrustify (0.39 -> 0.40)
12:54 < rxr> yeah - many of them are pure crap ...
12:54 < rxr> minit is nice and very tiny, but I would not use it for workstations
12:54 < rxr> for embedded it is fine
12:55 < CIA-8> rene * r26475 /trunk/package/filesystem/nfs-utils/nfs-utils.desc: * updated nfs-utils (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1)
12:55 < CIA-8> rene * r26476 /trunk/package/develop/mercurial/mercurial.desc: * updated mercurial (0.9.4 -> 0.9.5)
12:57 < tri> hm looks interessting
13:03 < CIA-8> rene * r26477 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (6 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:03 < CIA-8> * further gnome 2.20.1 updates, including:
13:03 < CIA-8> * updated gtksourceview (2.0.0 -> 2.0.1)
13:03 < CIA-8> * updated gnome-themes (2.20.0 -> 2.20.1)
13:03 < CIA-8> * updated gconf (2.20.0 -> 2.20.1)
13:03 < CIA-8> * updated gcalctool (5.20.1 -> 5.20.2)
13:03 < CIA-8> * updated gnome-keyring (2.20.0 -> 2.20.1)
13:07 < CIA-8> rene * r26478 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.16.0 -> 3.16.1)
13:15 < tri> minit: http://osdir.com/ml/debian.devel.initscripts-ng/2005-08/msg00068.html
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13:16 < Baldzius> moin
13:17 < tri> wb Baldzius
13:18 < Baldzius> hi tri
13:18 < tri> is the minit t2 intergration still useable ?
13:19 < rxr> it is minimal
13:19 < rxr> the problem with minit and runit is that they can not be directly configured out of our historic .init templates
13:19 < rxr> that is why those ship their own few init configs for some packages
13:19 < rxr> but we use it on special embedded boxes
13:19 < rxr> in the long term the .init meta format should be redone in T2
13:20 < rxr> so that all, sysvinit, runit, minit, upstart, etc. can be generated out of the description
13:21 < tri> that would be very cool - but you have used minit ?
13:26 < tri> hm the minit params files look simple http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/base/minit/inits/sshd/params
13:30 < rxr> yes I use minit, but I often have a complete custom set of minit config
13:30 < rxr> that is why I do not want to offer the impression that just switching on minit will result in a perfect system
13:34 < tri> minit is still maintained by fefe ?
13:34 < rxr> probably
13:35 < tri> should i give minit a try - i'm just on my way to build my config new ?
13:35 < tri> will it work out of the box for desktop use
13:49 < tri> ?
13:54 < CIA-8> aldas * r26479 /trunk/package/gnome2/gail/gail.desc: * changed gail build priority before libgnomecanvas (144.000 -> 142.500)
13:56 < CIA-8> aldas * r26480 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-sharp2/gtk-sharp2.desc:
13:56 < CIA-8> * merged r26465 from branches/7.0 to trunk:
13:56 < CIA-8> changed gtk-sharp2 build priority before avahi (153.650 -> 142.150)
13:57 < CIA-8> aldas * r26481 /trunk/package/network/dbus-python/dbus-python.desc:
13:57 < CIA-8> * merged r26466 from branches/7.0 to trunk:
13:57 < CIA-8> changed dbus-python build priority before avahi (149.501 -> 142.100)
13:59 < CIA-8> aldas * r26482 /trunk/package/python/pyrexc/pyrexc.desc:
13:59 < CIA-8> * merged r26467 from branches/7.0 to trunk:
13:59 < CIA-8> changed pyrexc build priority before dbus-python (149.400 -> 142.000)
14:12 < rxr> re
14:12 < rxr> tri: I would not use minit on a desktop today
14:12 < rxr> runit is proably better suited for that
14:12 < rxr> minit really is pretty minimalistic
14:13 < rxr> (bu that is great(tm) for my embedded uses .-)
14:14 < rxr> http://chigarden.com/index.php/chibits/comments/tutorial_making_the_ie_voodoo_doll/
14:18 < CIA-8> rene * r26483 /trunk/package/network/dnsmasq/dnsmasq.desc: * improved dnsmasq Url tag to directly link the HTML file
15:31 < CIA-8> aldas * r26484 /trunk/package/x86/apmd/ (hotfixes.patch skip_xapm.patch):
15:31 < CIA-8> * merged r26470 from branches/7.0 to trunk:
15:31 < CIA-8> rediffed apmd/hotfixes.patch apmd/skip_xapm.patch to make the package build
15:39 < CIA-8> aldas * r26485 /trunk/package/develop/cwiid/cwiid.desc: * changed cwiid build priority after bluez-libs (126.800 -> 146.800)
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16:59 < CIA-8> rene * r26486 /trunk/package/ia64/gnu-efi/gnu-efi.desc: * marked gnu-efi NOPARALLEL (for now)
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20:37 < CIA-8> aldas * r26487 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/seamonkey.desc: * updated seamonkey (1.1.4 -> 1.1.5)
20:37 < CIA-8> aldas * r26488 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtksourceviewmm/gtksourceviewmm.desc: * updated gtksourceviewmm (0.3.1 -> 1.9.3)
20:41 < CIA-8> aldas * r26489 /trunk/package/gnome2/balsa/balsa.desc: * updated balsa (2.3.14 -> 2.3.20)
20:42 < CIA-8> aldas * r26490 /trunk/package/develop/libnotify/libnotify.desc: * changed libnotify build priority before balsa (300.000 -> 154.000)
21:03 < CIA-8> aldas * r26491 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.4.5 -> 2.4.6)
21:03 < CIA-8> aldas * r26492 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * updated postgresql (8.2.4 -> 8.2.5)
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22:09 < CIA-8> aldas * r26493 /trunk/package/kde/kdebindings/kdepy.patch: * removed kdebindings/kdepy.patch - obsolete
22:11 < CIA-8> aldas * r26494 /branches/7.0/package/ia64/gnu-efi/gnu-efi.desc:
22:11 < CIA-8> * merged r26486 from trunk to branches/7.0:
22:11 < CIA-8> marked gnu-efi NOPARALLEL (for now)
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22:44 < CIA-8> aldas * r26495 /branches/7.0/package/graphic/gimp/ (end-decls.patch gimp.desc):
22:44 < CIA-8> * merged r25775, r25859, r25951, r26162 from trunk to branches/7.0:
22:44 < CIA-8> updated gimp (2.2.17 -> 2.4.0-rc1 -> 2.4.0-rc2 -> 2.4.0-rc3)
22:44 < CIA-8> imported upstream gimp patch, missing G_END_DECLS
22:50 < CIA-8> aldas * r26496 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-bluetooth/gnome-bluetooth.desc: * updated gnome-bluetooth (0.8 -> 0.9.1)
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--- Log closed Sun Oct 21 00:00:50 2007