T2 IRC Log: 2007-08-14

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--- Log opened Tue Aug 14 00:00:21 2007
00:17 < yokoy> hooah, the hd is very slow. 4.5MB/sec write. the same disk is via usb 5 times faster. seems to be pata problem. hmmm.
00:18 < kic-> yay for pata
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01:05 < yokoy> ok, dma is off
01:05 < yokoy> but
01:05 < yokoy> hdio_set_dma failed: operation not permitted
01:05 < yokoy> how could I get the info from the kernel, if it is enabled there?
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02:03 < kic-> grep DMA .config
02:13 < sepp> better do not load generic ide
02:13 < sepp> the module ...
02:21 < yokoy> on ubuntu they have the same problem, unsolved
02:21 < yokoy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/110636
02:22 < yokoy> kic-: thx, I was searching for the .config. shure, it is not in /usr/src but in /boot
03:09 < yokoy> sepp: how could I prevent loading the module? I tried to put it in /etc/conf/blacklist without any blocking result.
03:10 < yokoy> lsmod says: ide_generic 896 0 [permanent]
03:32 < sepp> i think that does not work any longer
03:32 < sepp> i mean /etc/conf/blacklist
03:33 < sepp> but on my ugly pc i get the same problem with ide_generic loaded
03:33 < sepp> the lame way to prevent loading it is to rm it :p
03:36 < yokoy> sepp: fine, but how? modprobe -r ide-generic do not work
03:36 < yokoy> device or resource busy
03:36 < sepp> i mean from the hdd
03:36 < sepp> you can not unload it
03:36 < sepp> or at least i don't know how
03:37 < yokoy> shure not, it is really busy :-)
03:37 < sepp> 'sure' :)
03:41 < yokoy> ah, damned, it is not a mic :-)
03:42 < yokoy> hmm, removed the module
03:42 < yokoy> it is still there
03:42 < yokoy> ide_generic 896 0 [permanent]
03:43 < yokoy> kconf says it is a module
03:44 < yokoy> are there more places for the modules?
03:45 < sepp> in the initrd
03:46 < yokoy> hmpf. it is a image, right?
03:47 < yokoy> how to delete modules from that image?
03:47 < yokoy> build a new one?
03:48 < sepp> yes
03:49 < sepp> mkinitrd will do
03:50 < yokoy> no arguments, no surprises?
03:51 < yokoy> that is to simple, I bet
03:52 < sepp> takes the version you want to build an initrd for as optional arg
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04:07 < yokoy> suddenly hda is sda...
04:10 < yokoy> ok, corrected mene.lst, fstab
04:11 < yokoy> s/mene/menu
04:11 < yokoy> no dma...
04:11 < yokoy> inappropriate ioctl for device
04:12 < sepp> uhm
04:12 < yokoy> yes, think so
04:12 < sepp> at least a new error
04:12 < yokoy> :-)
04:12 < sepp> it is going somewhere :p
04:13 < yokoy> ok, want to sleep one or two hours...will be a hard day
04:13 < yokoy> thx, cu
04:15 < sepp> good night yokoy
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06:49 < Demian> hi
06:55 < sepp_> hi Demian
06:59 < Demian> hello sepp_ :)
07:00 < sepp_> :)
07:00 < Enqlave> :)
07:00 < sepp_> hi stelz
07:00 < Enqlave> hi :)
07:01 < Enqlave> how's life, sepp?
07:01 < sepp_> boring
07:01 < Enqlave> boring?.. hum
07:02 < sepp_> no?
07:02 < Enqlave> not for me ;P
07:02 < Enqlave> \o/ \o/ \o/
07:02 < sepp_> hehe
09:25 < rxr> re
09:26 < rxr> the blacklist stuff does not work on boot, as it is already loaded in the initrd
09:26 < rxr> and the blacklist files are not present in it (we probably want to copy them into the initrd, though)
09:26 < rxr> if you rm the module, you probably want to re-generate the initrd
09:44 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94301
09:44 < rxr> ^- Chaos Communication Camp: Unfallfrei und Spaß dabei
09:52 < CIA-24> susan * r25581 /trunk/package/xorg/xman/xman.desc: * updated xman (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
09:52 < CIA-24> susan * r25582 /trunk/package/xorg/xprop/xprop.desc: * updated xprop (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
09:52 < CIA-24> susan * r25583 /trunk/package/xorg/xdm/xdm.desc: * updated xdm (1.1.4 -> 1.1.5)
09:53 < CIA-24> susan * r25584 /trunk/package/network/cobbler/cobbler.desc: * updated cobbler (0.5.1 -> 0.6.0)
10:00 < CIA-24> susan * r25585 /trunk/package/develop/intltool/intltool.desc: * updated intltool (0.36.0 -> 0.36.1)
10:03 [Users #t2]
10:03 [@ChanServ] [ Demian ] [ kic- ] [ mtr ] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ]
10:03 [ CIA-24 ] [ Enqlave] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
10:03 [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp_ ] [ yokoy_ ]
10:03 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
10:07 < rxr> http://lists.compiz-fusion.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/000091.html
10:07 < rxr> ^- Compiz fusion :-)
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11:16 < CIA-24> rene * r25586 /trunk/package/xorg/xrandr/compile.patch:
11:16 < CIA-24> * fixed xrandr to build at least with arm/uclibc, but due to the
11:16 < CIA-24> use of a variable named "clone" could effect all sorts of other
11:16 < CIA-24> C libraries as well
11:18 < CIA-24> rene * r25587 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
11:18 < CIA-24> * fixed startup-notification to cross build again
11:18 < CIA-24> * marked libglade to cross build
11:19 < CIA-24> rene * r25588 /trunk/package/gnome2/librsvg/ (librsvg.conf librsvg.desc):
11:19 < CIA-24> * guided livrsvt to cross build (not build the firefox/mozilla
11:19 < CIA-24> plugin if they are not in the build)
11:20 < CIA-24> rene * r25589 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
11:20 < CIA-24> * fixed gsm to cross build and link with at least using uclibc
11:20 < CIA-24> * marked openobex to cross build
11:25 < CIA-24> rene * r25590 /trunk/package/ (20 files in 13 dirs):
11:25 < CIA-24> * fixed the gpe packages: gpe-question, gpe-go, libgtkinput, mbmerlin,
11:25 < CIA-24> gpe-soundbite, libgtkstylus, gpe-gallery, gpe-julia, gpe-shield,
11:25 < CIA-24> gpe-soundserver, gpe-wlancfgi, libgpelaunch, and gpe-conf to
11:25 < CIA-24> cross build
11:25 < CIA-24> * fixed a few of them to actually install into $prefix, not to
11:25 < CIA-24> install junk, use "strip" to strip and compile with uclibc
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14:59 < CIA-24> rene * r25591 /trunk/package/audio/ecasound/ (. ecasound.cache ecasound.desc): * added ecasound (2.4.6) - Sound processing, multitrack recording, and mixing tools
15:02 < sepp_> moin :)
15:04 < rxr> moin moin sepp_
15:05 < sepp_> hi rxr
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15:46 < CIA-24> rene * r25592 /trunk/package/database/sqlite2/ (sqlite2.conf sqlite2.desc): * fixed sqlite2 to cross build (required for quite some gpe packages, ...)
15:47 [Users #t2]
15:47 [@ChanServ] [ Demian ] [ kic- ] [ mtr ] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ]
15:47 [ CIA-24 ] [ Enqlave] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
15:47 [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp_ ] [ yokoy_ ]
15:47 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
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16:14 < kic-> re
16:16 < sepp_> hi kic-
16:20 < yokoy_> hello all
16:22 < yokoy_> sepp_: I got the new error when I tried to switch to dma=on...
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16:22 < yokoy_> anyway it works. write speedup more than factor 20
16:22 < yokoy_> 80MByte/sec is ok
16:22 < CIA-24> rene * r25593 /trunk/package/gpe/xsettings-client/:
16:22 < CIA-24> * removed gpe/xsettings-client, equivalent to libxsettings-client,
16:22 < CIA-24> just that some GPE release monkey missnamed the tarball, ieek!
16:27 < sepp_> is that some general problem if you load the generic ide ko 1st?
16:44 < CIA-24> rene * r25594 /trunk/package/security/libgcrypt/ (libgcrypt.conf libgcrypt.desc): * fixed libgcrypt to cross build
16:45 < yokoy_> sepp_: maybe in combination with pata? In trunk I had problems during boot process for a few month. irq conflict etc. on several hardware.
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16:47 < yokoy_> imho it is not a dedicated t2 issue. debian and ubuntu have equal bugs
16:47 -!- kic_ is now known as kic-
16:47 < kic-> sheesh
16:47 < kic-> stupid network
16:49 < yokoy_> with ide-generic the first hd becomes hda, without ide-generic it becomes sda. pluged to port ide0.
16:49 < yokoy_> master
16:51 < rxr> http://www.desktoplinux.com/
16:51 < rxr> there should be some desktop linux survey ...
16:52 < CIA-24> rene * r25595 / (27 files in 24 dirs):
16:52 < CIA-24> * fixed most remaining GPE packages to cross build and install
16:52 < CIA-24> * sorted some inter-dependency GPE package priorities on-the-way
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16:59 < rxr> the openmoko channel si soo funny
16:59 < rxr> barely anything that works:
16:59 < rxr> 16:57 < philip> which ipkg feed should i use?
16:59 < rxr> 16:58 < philip> the ones i found seem to have either not much packages
16:59 < rxr> (buildhost) or are old (download)
16:59 < rxr> 16:58 < philip> and the Packages.gz are broken , too
17:04 < yokoy_> rxr: the pkgbuilder is still broken for cross compile, I do not know where to begin the bugfix. any hint?
17:04 < yokoy_> checking whether pthread_mutex_trylock is posix like... configure: error: cannot run test program wh
17:04 < yokoy_> ile cross compiling
17:04 < yokoy_> See `config.log' for more details.
17:04 < yokoy_> 1
17:04 < yokoy_> 1
17:04 < yokoy_> checking whether pthread_cond_timedwait is posix like... configure: error: cannot run test program w
17:04 < yokoy_> hile cross compiling
17:04 < yokoy_> See `config.log' for more details.
17:04 < rxr> that is pkgconfig ?
17:05 < yokoy_> the ERROR-LOG from pkgconfig
17:05 < rxr> ok, I know tat
17:05 < rxr> that is a pure regression due some pkgconfig update, it built in the past
17:06 < rxr> I did not got that in my embedded target builds because pkgconfig is not built for the "target"
17:06 < rxr> just for the host
17:06 < rxr> but I have it already in my "next to CROSS fix list"
17:06 < rxr> it's "just" that the configure must be guided what to use
17:06 < rxr> by pre-filling the config.cache
17:07 < rxr> in general the configure should never try to run test programs, but many do - making cross buids harder
17:12 < yokoy_> hehe, just got a message that I will get an XO B4 :-)
17:14 < rxr> :-)
17:14 < rxr> have one for us as well ?
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17:43 < tri> moin
17:45 < rxr> moin moin tri
17:45 < CIA-24> rene * r25596 /trunk/package/network/dbus-glib/ (dbus-glib.conf dbus-glib.desc non-native.patch.cross): * fixed dbus-glib to cross build (needed for the remaining GPE packages :-)
17:46 < tri> hi rxr who are you ?
17:47 < tri> err how
17:47 < Enqlave> lol ;p
17:47 < Enqlave> hi tri
17:47 < rxr> tri: fine, thanks and you ?
17:48 < CIA-24> rene * r25597 /trunk/package/gpe/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
17:48 < CIA-24> * fixed gpe-autostarter to build with latest linux-header
17:48 < CIA-24> * fixed gpe-contact priority
17:48 < CIA-24> * marked gpe-contacts, gpe-announce and gpe-autostarter to cross build, now
17:50 < tri> rxr: fine got a nice new job... just forgot to take my english pill today ;-)
17:50 < rxr> :-)
17:54 < CIA-24> rene * r25598 /trunk/package/gpe/ (gpe-beam/gpe-beam.desc gpe-bluetooth/gpe-bluetooth.desc): * marked gpe-beam and gpe-bluetooth to cross compile, likewise
17:54 < rxr> so- the remaining GPE junk needs either gconf or gnome-vfs and thus orbit2
17:55 < rxr> guess I have to get this ugly damn orbit2 to cross build, that would also yield tons of gnome2 and some more xfce packages to actually cross build, yay
17:55 < rxr> if just orbit2 would not be such a pita to get building ...
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18:52 < yokoy> once upon a time gnome starts to be a fast small desktop with less dependencies.
18:54 < sepp> *eg*
18:56 < yokoy> rxr: do not forget to put in atk, at-spi, pyhton, ORCA et cetera
18:57 < yokoy> the blind folk is waiting for it on a mobile phone
18:58 < yokoy> ok, just wait for double speed and space
18:58 < rxr> we can not yet cross build python
18:58 < rxr> yokoy: patches welcome
18:59 < sepp> you can cross build ruby :p
18:59 < rxr> yokoy: if you provide a patch to cross build python in T2 I send you a pizza and beer :-)
18:59 < rxr> sepp: yeah - thats great, and miniperl and lua :-)
18:59 < rxr> btw. trunk state I posted earlier in private:
18:59 < rxr> 18:14 1080 / 2941 CROSS
18:59 < rxr> 18:14 36.722 %
18:59 < rxr> 18:15 96 packages remaining to hit 40 %, that are quite some
18:59 < rxr> 18:15 390 packages remaining to hit 50 %, ... :-(
19:03 < rxr> guess I take fixing orbit2 with me home tonight .-)
19:03 < rxr> that should bump trunk to at least 40% packages cross compiling
19:07 < sepp> :)
19:07 < sepp> mc
19:07 < sepp> uhm
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19:40 < rxr> hi renderfull
19:43 < rxr> == 19:39:29 =[1]=> Building gnome2/orbit2 [2.14.8 8.0-trunk].
19:43 < rxr> == 08/14/07 19:41:17 =[1]=> Finished building package orbit2.
19:43 < rxr> little hacked but hey!
19:46 < sepp> emerged cvs gnumacs 23, wow fonts actually look nice, cant wait for another 10 years
19:47 < rxr> sepp: lol
19:47 < rxr> we have xemacs-beta wit xft support for some time now
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19:47 < rxr> but it has some off-by-one drawing errors
19:48 < rxr> doesn't the emacs in trunk already have anti-alised fonts as well ?
19:49 < sepp> 22.1, no
19:52 < rxr> hm
19:52 < CIA-24> rene * r25599 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
19:52 < CIA-24> * hacked gnome2/orbit2 to cross build
19:52 < CIA-24> * marked gconf and gnome-vfs to cross build now, likewise
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19:54 < CIA-24> rene * r25600 /trunk/package/gpe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * marked gpe's bluez-pin and gpe-filemanager to cross build, now, likewise
20:04 < rxr> hah: JWin's iPod bikini top sports wireless controls
20:04 < rxr> http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/jwins-ipod-bikini-top-sports-wireless-controls/
20:05 < sepp> finally someone found a use for that stupid music player
20:05 < sepp> :P
20:18 < rxr> http://udrepper.livejournal.com/17577.html
20:19 < rxr> ^- .oO
20:19 < rxr> oh - my, this gets boring: !> checking for /dev/random... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling
20:21 < rxr> I guess next I must invest into AI IP, and let some "my name is ExactNeuronalNet" fixup such stuff for me ...
20:35 < kic-> any specific VIA chipset optmizations supported in T2?
20:35 < kic-> besides x86 (AMD, Intel, VIA and compatible)
21:23 < sepp> yup, there is a 2nd 'menu'
21:23 < sepp> if you select x86 you can choose between all the gigabazillion things
21:23 < sepp> including via
21:48 < rxr> re
21:48 < rxr> ok - gotta dinner
21:48 < rxr> cu
21:56 < sepp> cu rxr
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23:33 < kic-> oh
23:33 < kic-> yes
23:33 < kic-> now i see
23:33 < kic-> nice
23:33 < kic-> :D
23:33 < kic-> C7 Eden
23:33 < kic-> thats the one we may switch to
23:33 < kic-> we found an even smaller x86 base
23:33 < kic-> so we may be able to replace our ARM box, with an x86 box, running the via chip
--- Log closed Wed Aug 15 00:00:22 2007