T2 IRC Log: 2007-06-15
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--- Log opened Fri Jun 15 00:00:16 2007
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01:22 < CIA-9> gweis * r24540 /trunk/package/base/popt/ (glibc2.2.patch popt.conf popt.desc):
01:22 < CIA-9> * updated popt (1.7 -> 1.10.7) and added url tag
01:22 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete glibc2.2.patch
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01:32 < CIA-9> gweis * r24541 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.conf: * enable pam support in sudo if pam is available
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06:59 < CIA-9> gweis * r24542 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.11 -> 0.6.12-pre2) to solve compile issues
07:33 < CIA-9> gweis * r24543 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/kerberos_fix.patch: * added patch to help kdelibs to identify heimdal correctly
07:34 < CIA-9> gweis * r24544 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/kerberos_fix.patch: * added missing copyright notice to kerberos_fix.patch
07:35 < CIA-9> gweis * r24545 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/ (libz_dep.patch libz_dep.patch.disabled): * deactivated libz_dep.patch for kdelibs. seems to be obsolete now
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07:36 < CIA-9> * changed kdevelop build priority (206.800 -> 290.000)
07:36 < CIA-9> * fixed compile issues by removing --enable-final from confopts
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07:47 < CIA-9> gweis * r24547 /trunk/package/kde/qt4/qt4.conf: * changed default qt4 prefix to opt/qt4 (instead of opt/qt33)
07:48 < CIA-9> gweis * r24548 /trunk/package/kde/kdebluetooth/ (bluez-3.5.patch kdebluetooth.desc):
07:48 < CIA-9> * updated kdebluetooth (0.99+1.0beta1-12 -> 1.0_beta2)
07:48 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete bluez-3.5.patch
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08:14 < sunmage> Hello alltogether, I am on the search for a Linux distro which is source based _and_ has a stable tree like that in Debian, where the packages are "on hold" and only security patches come in. Is T2 fulfilling these requirements? Has T2 a stable branch? I looked at the webpage but I didn't find any info about that.
08:18 < Ragnarin> it does have
08:18 < Ragnarin> 6.0 is stable (but somewhat outdated)
08:18 < Ragnarin> 7.0 should be out sometime soon
08:26 < sunmage> Ragnarin, Thank you for answer. Can you please tell me where on the website of T2 I can find the guide to integrate the security patches? Excuse me, but I find the page very confusing. :)
08:26 < sunmage> The security patches for 6.0 I mean.
08:26 < Ragnarin> you check out the 6.0 branch, and should then run a svn up for that branch periodically to get the updates
08:28 < sunmage> Cool , thank you.
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08:37 < rxr> re
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08:47 < bfg> hi
08:47 < rxr> hi bfg
08:47 < CIA-9> gweis * r24549 /trunk/package/security/ca-certificates/ (5 files): * added ca-certificates (20070303) - Common CA Certificates PEM files
08:50 < rxr> oh - neat
08:50 < bfg> jep... i like this package :) i'm using it quite a while... i never took the time to commit it (till now :) )
08:51 < rxr> for which ssl using apps does this package work ?
08:51 < rxr> all openssl users ?
08:51 < bfg> the greatest thing ong it is, that most applications which use openssl accept cacet certificates
08:51 < bfg> openssl yes
08:51 < rxr> there is a stray file in the package
08:51 < rxr> ca-certificates
08:51 < rxr> probably should be .cache :-)
08:51 < bfg> ah yes
08:51 < bfg> i correct this
08:52 < CIA-9> gweis * r24550 /trunk/package/security/ca-certificates/ (ca-certificates ca-certificates.cache): * renamed ca-certificates to ca-certificates.cache
09:04 < CIA-9> gweis * r24551 /trunk/package/graphic/exiv2/ (. exiv2.cache exiv2.desc): * added exiv2 (0.14) - A C++ library and a command line utility to access image metadata
09:04 < bfg> slowly my trunk cleans up :)
09:05 < bfg> or better my trunk checkout
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09:07 < tr1> moin
09:19 < rxr> moin tr1
09:20 < rxr> bfg: "working copy" the name is :-)
09:22 < tr1> hm i now have untared the silc-toolkit and changed the stringprep.h name and changed every Makefile include etc.
09:22 < tr1> if i build it now manuel it works - but how to make a patch ?
09:24 < rxr> rename the directory to have some extension, like -fixed
09:24 < rxr> and untar the tarball again
09:24 < rxr> then diff -urN silc...-fixed silc...
09:25 < CIA-9> susan * r24552 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.51 -> 2.56)
09:25 < tr1> ah ok thx
09:32 < rxr> err the diff of course the other way round:
09:32 < rxr> then diff -urN silc... silc...-fixed :-))
09:34 < tr1> hm
09:35 < tr1> my screen is now wasted with a lot text - thats right ?
09:35 < CIA-9> susan * r24553 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.8.5 -> 2.8.7)
09:35 < tr1> a ok i have to > 123.patch ?
09:35 < CIA-9> susan * r24554 /trunk/package/gnome2/meld/meld.desc: * updated meld (1.1.5 -> 1.1.5.1)
09:35 < rxr> yes
09:36 < tr1> and i have to tar this file then ?
09:38 < tr1> i mean i now have the diff file which is called silc... .patch - do i have to tar this file or just copy it to the package.../silc-toolkit/ directory ?
09:39 < emte> just drop in directory
09:39 < emte> its a text file
09:39 < CIA-9> susan * r24555 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * updated tcpdump (3.9.5 -> 3.9.6)
09:45 < tr1> ah ok the patch is working
09:45 < tr1> it says patching file ...
09:47 < tr1> hm but the stringprep.h is still found and there is this error about shared files with libidn
09:48 < tr1> in the silc-toolkit.conf i did hood add preconf 5 'mv lib/contrib/stringprep.h lib/contrib/stringprep_silc.h' ?
09:53 < bfg> rxr: what is this special fix_source in libgphoto.conf about?... it seems, that it is not needed anymore.... i did a build wihthout it... no errors... any complaints about removing i?
09:56 < rxr> 1 minute
09:56 < rxr> on phote
09:56 < bfg> no hurry :)
10:01 < bfg> iirc this fix_source was needed in older versions of libgphoto to build libgphoto itself... now ican only that the additional headers may be needed by some packages which depend on libgphoto but those that i built don't complain
10:19 < rxr> so ew
10:19 < rxr> so re
10:19 < rxr> had to discuss for quite some time with Apple on the phone to receive an new battery
10:19 < rxr> for the one that just died yesterday, and is not even recognized at all anymore
10:19 < rxr> damn low quality crap
10:22 < bfg> thats the fist time i heardthe combination apple and low quality :)
10:22 < rxr> apple is design only
10:22 < rxr> pure hardware design
10:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-12-21/apple-macbook-core-2-duo-c2d-review/
10:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-06-26/apple-macbook-review/
10:24 < rxr> bfg: where is this fix_source thing?
10:24 < rxr> I do not see it in the gphoto packages
10:24 < bfg> its in the conf file
10:25 < tr1> if i do a diff on a old and a new directory and i have renamed files in the new direcotry how is this handelt ?
10:25 < rxr> I have no libgphoto.conf - maybe it is your local copy modification only ?
10:25 < bfg> um.... sory my bi fault...... i overlooked th ? in svn status
10:26 < rxr> no problem :-)
10:26 < rxr> so - I guess I have to blog about my failed battery
10:26 < bfg> i have so many little adaptionsthat i'm sometimes confused about svn status
10:31 < tr1> ah ok if i rename files the patch file includes this
10:33 < tr1> hm maybe time to read the svn handbook...
10:45 < tr1> ok the patch is applyed by the build system but still not working :-(
10:45 < tr1> if i look in src.silc-toolkit... there isn't a stringprep.h
10:45 < rxr> you need to deinstall the silc-toolkit
10:46 < tr1> ?
10:46 < tr1> with mine ?
10:46 < rxr> even if the new version does not install the .h anymore the admin files still have it as it was in the former packag version
10:46 < rxr> if you do build inside your running system with Build-Pkg Or Emerge-Pkg they yes, with mine
10:47 < tr1> ah ok
10:48 < rxr> the /var/adm/flists are accumulated
10:48 < rxr> otherwise the package management would loose track of files on updates
10:48 < rxr> that must not happen
10:52 < tr1> hoho !
10:52 < tr1> finished building package silc-toolkit :-)
10:52 < tr1> thx :-)
10:53 < tr1> autocompletion bash for the ./scriptes/... would be nice :-)
10:58 < rxr> :-) patches welcome
11:14 < tr1> and here are the pidgin patches for silc-1.1: http://silcnet.org/priikone/pidgin/
11:21 < tr1> hm what are .loT files ?
11:41 < rxr> where do you see those files?
11:41 < rxr> probably some lib tool whatever files or so
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11:44 < tr1> ah ok
11:44 < tr1> hi sepp
11:46 < sepp_> hi tr1 :)
11:54 < tr1> hm i get the error: configure.ac:107 error possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_INTLTOOL
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12:19 < rxr> Apple confirms that Carbon will not be 64-bit on the Carbon Developer mailing list." In addition, the readme file included with Leopard's developer preview says G3 support will be dropped from Leopard.
12:21 < tr1> how to create a .cache file ?
12:21 < rxr> they are created by the build system
12:21 < rxr> placed in $root/var/adm/cache/
12:28 < tr1> is it also created if there is allready a cache file in packages/... ?
12:28 < sepp_> yup
12:29 < tr1> hm my pidgin build is now working but i have to install intltool manualy
12:30 < tr1> so this dependency wasn't found ?
12:33 < sepp_> manualy?
12:33 < tr1> yes i did emerge-pkg...
12:33 < sepp_> i don't have intltool installed, but pidgin
12:34 < tr1> hm maybe it is needed by the new silc plugin ?
12:34 < tr1> i post the patches to the mailinglist maybe you can have a look
12:36 < sepp_> maybe it is some optional i18n feature
12:36 < tr1> yes it is used to something with the *.po files
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13:16 < rxr> re
13:22 < bfg> tr1: i think the pidgin package is in the gnome2 folder because there was a time where pidgin was called gaim and it still depends on plenty of gnome2 libraries
13:23 < bfg> especially gconf
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13:27 < tr1> hm
13:27 < tr1> ah ok i think then it fits there ?
13:40 < tr1> i can't build ffmpeg
13:40 < tr1> can somebody build ffmpeg
13:41 < rxr> I think so
13:41 < rxr> the reference building box is right now rebuilding everything, at 5-gcc right now
13:42 < rxr> in some hours I can tell you if T2 SVN:HEAD ffmpeg still builds on x86 :-)
13:42 < tr1> hm
13:42 < tr1> thx
13:42 < tr1> also efreet is in the wrong order
13:43 < tr1> it should be build after ecore
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13:47 < sepp_> 137.400 ecore < 149.150 efreet :)
13:48 < tr1> is build-target also using this ?
13:48 < sepp_> yes
13:57 < rxr> tr1: note, this static Priority tag is beeing replaced in the near future with dynamic dep graph parsing using the DEP tags in the .cache files
13:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
13:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
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14:13 < tr1> rxr: how is your build ?
14:13 < rxr> == 14:07:39 =[5]=> Building java/jikes [1.22 7.0-trunk].
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14:22 < tr2> i tried building ffmpeg now from the nightly-snapshot
14:22 < tr2> at it works
14:22 < tr2> ?
14:25 < tr2> you said that t2 would download the file again if there is already a file named ffmpeg-cvs.tar ...
14:26 < tr2> that problem is for every package which is downloaded through cvs when i don't do "-d $date" and name the downloaded file ffmepg-$date.tar.gz
14:26 < sepp_> download/mirror/f/ffmpeg-2007-04-25.tar.bz2
14:27 < tr2> a variable like $date would be nice ?
14:27 < sepp_> it is the version (date) from the desc
14:28 < tr2> sepp_: i tried it with the desc file from cvs which uses the svn checkout from 04.25 but i was not able to compile
14:28 < tr2> with the nightly cvs checkout i was able to compile
14:28 < sepp_> what was the error?
14:29 < rxr> maybe nasm related assembly error ?
14:32 < tr2> wait error in yuv2rgb.c
14:32 < tr2> yes asm related error
14:32 < rxr> yeah - that ia an nasm regression
14:32 < rxr> we probably should downdate nasm
14:32 < tr2> expected =" ' ' " ' ' " ';' , 'asm' or '___attribute__' before '*' token
14:33 < tr2> ect.
14:33 < tr2> but with the nightly cvs build ffmpeg compiles fine
14:33 < rxr> maybe they check if nasm actually works, now :-)
14:33 < tr2> i got this message with the 2007-04-25 ffmpeg
14:35 < tr2> hm
14:36 < tr2> ok what about a variable $date in the desc file ?
14:36 < tr2> would this be possible ?
14:37 < tr2> so everytime i compile a package it is the last svn checkout and the download script don't complain about the already downloaded file
14:37 < tr2> because the new file is named after "package"-$date.tar.gz
14:38 < tr2> or something like $date$time
14:38 < rxr> well - we want known to build packages
14:38 < rxr> keeping 3000 packages to build on all platforms is hard enough
14:38 < rxr> random dates make it even harder
14:38 < tr2> yes sure
14:38 < rxr> but updating T2 packages is already easy enough
14:38 < tr2> i only mean for personal use
14:39 < rxr> in fact the easiest compared with all other dists
14:39 < rxr> I rather suggest you help keep watching out for real update and test and commit those
14:39 < rxr> we have a t2-updates mailing list where possible updates scroll allong
14:39 < rxr> along
14:39 < rxr> this is where most dayly updates come from
14:39 < rxr> plug http://freshmeat.net et al.
14:39 < tr2> yes sure
14:40 < rxr> any help wit those updates is very much welcome
14:44 < sepp_> e.g. e17 does not work well with random/daily checkouts
14:47 < rxr> sepp_: do you run a AIGLX desktop or classic X setup ?
14:47 < sepp_> 'classic X'
14:48 < rxr> do you have a second to test if exact-image/edisplay works with medium sized images for you?
14:48 < sepp_> yes
14:48 < rxr> sine some weeks I only get a white window from Evas with sub 1024 sized images in edisplay
14:48 < sepp_> from svn?
14:48 < rxr> yes, that would be perfect
14:48 < tr2> yes, but maybe you do some coding for the package bloblo and you always want to have the last cvs checkout it would be nice if you can overlay (through /target/$id/packages/) a package desc file which will always update checkout your the last source without deleting a package in download/... or changing the desc file
14:48 < rxr> https://svn.exactcode.de/exact-image/trunk
14:49 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/exact-image/testsuite/tif/4.2.04.tif
14:49 < rxr> ^- my favourite test-image
14:50 < rxr> you do not need to install exact-image
14:50 < tr2> but i don't know how much work is need to have a variable $date or something like this in t2 - where to look ?
14:50 < rxr> ./objdir/edisplay/edisplay 4.2.04.tif is enough
14:50 < rxr> tr2: various places would need an update, scripts/Download and scripts/function.in and some more
14:51 < rxr> maybe start reading the sources for the Download and Build-Pkg case
14:51 < sepp_> that looks fine
14:52 < rxr> sepp_: ok - thanks
14:52 < sepp_> np
14:52 < rxr> I already imagined it would be some strange evas<->libx11 interaction
14:52 < rxr> strange is, that I have no other X program to have such drawing glitches
14:52 < rxr> I run a Beryl since the CeBIT
14:52 < rxr> (where I first tried it to have a pretty T2 SDE to show)
14:53 < rxr> guess I'll finally convert my C++ EvasHelper into a ExactCanvas based on Agg ...
14:54 < sepp_> you mean a stable base that does not change every night? :p
14:54 < rxr> yes, exactly
14:54 < rxr> and one where I have more control as well
14:54 < rxr> e.g. currently huge images are very inefficient with Evas
15:02 < tr2> rxr: thx i will look at the download and the functions.in files to get a idea what is needed :-)
15:03 < tr2> rxr: i would like to give a short talk about t2 at our lokal lug group next month i would prepare a few slides - can i post the slides to the t2 mailinglist to get same feedback ?
15:03 < rxr> sure
15:03 < rxr> I can post a link to my last slides as well
15:04 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/pr/trunk/t2-talk/presentation.pdf
15:04 < tr2> ah thx
15:05 < rxr> near the pdf are the original LaTeX sources
15:05 < rxr> if you want to reuse it
15:06 < tr2> txh thats nice
15:08 < tr2> what is the difference betwenn hook_add and var_append / var_remove ?
15:08 < rxr> var_* are helper functions to work with variables in bash
15:08 < rxr> e.g. mostly helping with the delimiter like : or ' '
15:08 < rxr> if you would code manually like
15:08 < rxr> makeopt="$makeopt foo bar"
15:09 < rxr> or
15:09 < rxr> some_path="$some_path:foo:bar"
15:09 < rxr> you would get leading seperators if the variable was empty
15:09 < rxr> the hook_* functions are for a totally different purpose
15:09 < rxr> hooks in T2 (and in general programming) are points where additional code can be executed
15:10 < rxr> so with hook_add hook-name priority "code to run" you add code to those hooks
15:10 < rxr> hooks are like prepatch, preconf, premake, postmake, ...
15:10 < tr2> is there a package which uses var_* ?
15:10 < rxr> to run the stuff in a hook the function hook_eval, ...
15:10 < rxr> tr2: most packages that have a .conf file have var_* stuff inside
15:11 < rxr> tr2: if code alters variables those var_* functions should be used to not insert stray seperators accidently
15:11 < tr2> ok i found http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.conf
15:12 < tr2> the var_append there is for ?
15:12 < tr2> changing the "confopt" or adding confopt ?
15:12 < rxr> yep
15:12 < rxr> and the hooks are used to rename the installed example config and run this substituion on some files
15:13 < tr2> what is the confopt ? (sorry maybe a stupid question)
15:13 < tr2> ah ok the hooks thing is clear
15:13 < rxr> confopt is a T2 variable holding the options passed to the configure scripts
15:13 < tr2> ah ok
15:13 < rxr> confopt is filled automatically with some values like --prefix and cpu architecture arguments
15:13 < rxr> but some packages of course need to insert some more stuff
15:14 < rxr> often even conditionally on config options or other installed packages
15:14 < rxr> you can find more about this topic in the big handbook
15:14 < tr2> that can't be done with hook_add - hook_add is to run something like "mv" , right ?
15:15 < tr2> ah ok there is also CC_WRAPPER_INSERT
15:15 < rxr> yes, stuff like mv or sed can be run in this hooks
15:16 < tr2> what is "makeopt" ?
15:16 < rxr> like confopt the options passed to make
15:16 < rxr> and makeinstopt the options passed to make at install time
15:16 < tr2> ah ok sorry found it in the handbook :-)
15:16 < rxr> yeah - the handbook is great, isn't it :_)
15:16 < tr2> so i can change every Configuration parameters with var_append or var_remove
15:16 < rxr> but we happily also educate here in the channel
15:16 < rxr> it also filles our homepage with info users and google can find :-)
15:17 < rxr> http://www.google.com/custom?cx=010888532094808064914%3Aq0bx6ixm8lk&cof=GFNT%3A%23666666%3BLH%3A100%3BCX%3AT2%2520SDE%2520Project%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3BFORID%3A0%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Et2-project%2Eorg%2F%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Et2-project%2Eorg%2Ft2-logo-medium%2Epng%3BLP%3A1%3BAH%3Aleft&q=makeopt&hl=en&client=pub-2860176634161485&channel=3664180173
15:17 < rxr> :-)
15:17 < tr2> yes of course - i know quit everythink this talk is just for google
15:18 < tr2> but thx ;-)
15:18 < rxr> you'r welcome :-))
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17:37 < misl> hi folks
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18:18 < tri> moin
18:18 < sepp_> moin tri :)
18:27 < tri> pingpong rxr
18:27 < tri> rxr: how is your build going ?
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18:32 < mickey|fic> rxr: ping
18:34 < mickey|fic> nm, i'll send you an email
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20:02 < kic> anyone available?
20:03 < kic> I've downloaded the 7.0-rc iso, burned a dvd, booted into, everything starts up, kde, etc
20:03 < kic> but how to i start the install?
20:03 < kic> opening a terminal, and typing stone brings up the stone script, but it doesn't act as if its going to install
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20:11 < sepp_> hi kic
20:12 < kic> hi
20:13 < sepp_> but i can not answer the livecd question, never used it :(
20:13 < kic> ah
20:14 < kic> so if you wanted to install the prebuilt 7.0 desktop, how would you do it?
20:14 < sepp_> no clue, always use the un-live version
20:15 < kic> where can i get that?
20:15 < kic> is it available as an iso to burn to CD/DVD?
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20:16 < sepp_> for 7.0-rc the is only the livecd so far
20:16 < kic> ah
20:17 < sepp_> i think you should use stone to install even the livecd
20:19 < kic> i think its: stone install
20:19 < kic> instead of just: stone
20:19 < kic> ?
20:19 < sepp_> just 'stone'
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20:55 < kic> just stone doesn't seem to work
20:57 < sepp_> if you send a mail to the list i am sure you will get an qualified answer
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01:22 < CIA-9> * updated popt (1.7 -> 1.10.7) and added url tag
01:22 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete glibc2.2.patch
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07:48 < CIA-9> * updated kdebluetooth (0.99+1.0beta1-12 -> 1.0_beta2)
07:48 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete bluez-3.5.patch
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08:14 < sunmage> Hello alltogether, I am on the search for a Linux distro which is source based _and_ has a stable tree like that in Debian, where the packages are "on hold" and only security patches come in. Is T2 fulfilling these requirements? Has T2 a stable branch? I looked at the webpage but I didn't find any info about that.
08:18 < Ragnarin> it does have
08:18 < Ragnarin> 6.0 is stable (but somewhat outdated)
08:18 < Ragnarin> 7.0 should be out sometime soon
08:26 < sunmage> Ragnarin, Thank you for answer. Can you please tell me where on the website of T2 I can find the guide to integrate the security patches? Excuse me, but I find the page very confusing. :)
08:26 < sunmage> The security patches for 6.0 I mean.
08:26 < Ragnarin> you check out the 6.0 branch, and should then run a svn up for that branch periodically to get the updates
08:28 < sunmage> Cool , thank you.
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08:37 < rxr> re
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08:47 < bfg> hi
08:47 < rxr> hi bfg
08:47 < CIA-9> gweis * r24549 /trunk/package/security/ca-certificates/ (5 files): * added ca-certificates (20070303) - Common CA Certificates PEM files
08:50 < rxr> oh - neat
08:50 < bfg> jep... i like this package :) i'm using it quite a while... i never took the time to commit it (till now :) )
08:51 < rxr> for which ssl using apps does this package work ?
08:51 < rxr> all openssl users ?
08:51 < bfg> the greatest thing ong it is, that most applications which use openssl accept cacet certificates
08:51 < bfg> openssl yes
08:51 < rxr> there is a stray file in the package
08:51 < rxr> ca-certificates
08:51 < rxr> probably should be .cache :-)
08:51 < bfg> ah yes
08:51 < bfg> i correct this
08:52 < CIA-9> gweis * r24550 /trunk/package/security/ca-certificates/ (ca-certificates ca-certificates.cache): * renamed ca-certificates to ca-certificates.cache
09:04 < CIA-9> gweis * r24551 /trunk/package/graphic/exiv2/ (. exiv2.cache exiv2.desc): * added exiv2 (0.14) - A C++ library and a command line utility to access image metadata
09:04 < bfg> slowly my trunk cleans up :)
09:05 < bfg> or better my trunk checkout
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09:07 < tr1> moin
09:19 < rxr> moin tr1
09:20 < rxr> bfg: "working copy" the name is :-)
09:22 < tr1> hm i now have untared the silc-toolkit and changed the stringprep.h name and changed every Makefile include etc.
09:22 < tr1> if i build it now manuel it works - but how to make a patch ?
09:24 < rxr> rename the directory to have some extension, like -fixed
09:24 < rxr> and untar the tarball again
09:24 < rxr> then diff -urN silc...-fixed silc...
09:25 < CIA-9> susan * r24552 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.51 -> 2.56)
09:25 < tr1> ah ok thx
09:32 < rxr> err the diff of course the other way round:
09:32 < rxr> then diff -urN silc... silc...-fixed :-))
09:34 < tr1> hm
09:35 < tr1> my screen is now wasted with a lot text - thats right ?
09:35 < CIA-9> susan * r24553 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.8.5 -> 2.8.7)
09:35 < tr1> a ok i have to > 123.patch ?
09:35 < CIA-9> susan * r24554 /trunk/package/gnome2/meld/meld.desc: * updated meld (1.1.5 -> 1.1.5.1)
09:35 < rxr> yes
09:36 < tr1> and i have to tar this file then ?
09:38 < tr1> i mean i now have the diff file which is called silc... .patch - do i have to tar this file or just copy it to the package.../silc-toolkit/ directory ?
09:39 < emte> just drop in directory
09:39 < emte> its a text file
09:39 < CIA-9> susan * r24555 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * updated tcpdump (3.9.5 -> 3.9.6)
09:45 < tr1> ah ok the patch is working
09:45 < tr1> it says patching file ...
09:47 < tr1> hm but the stringprep.h is still found and there is this error about shared files with libidn
09:48 < tr1> in the silc-toolkit.conf i did hood add preconf 5 'mv lib/contrib/stringprep.h lib/contrib/stringprep_silc.h' ?
09:53 < bfg> rxr: what is this special fix_source in libgphoto.conf about?... it seems, that it is not needed anymore.... i did a build wihthout it... no errors... any complaints about removing i?
09:56 < rxr> 1 minute
09:56 < rxr> on phote
09:56 < bfg> no hurry :)
10:01 < bfg> iirc this fix_source was needed in older versions of libgphoto to build libgphoto itself... now ican only that the additional headers may be needed by some packages which depend on libgphoto but those that i built don't complain
10:19 < rxr> so ew
10:19 < rxr> so re
10:19 < rxr> had to discuss for quite some time with Apple on the phone to receive an new battery
10:19 < rxr> for the one that just died yesterday, and is not even recognized at all anymore
10:19 < rxr> damn low quality crap
10:22 < bfg> thats the fist time i heardthe combination apple and low quality :)
10:22 < rxr> apple is design only
10:22 < rxr> pure hardware design
10:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-12-21/apple-macbook-core-2-duo-c2d-review/
10:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-06-26/apple-macbook-review/
10:24 < rxr> bfg: where is this fix_source thing?
10:24 < rxr> I do not see it in the gphoto packages
10:24 < bfg> its in the conf file
10:25 < tr1> if i do a diff on a old and a new directory and i have renamed files in the new direcotry how is this handelt ?
10:25 < rxr> I have no libgphoto.conf - maybe it is your local copy modification only ?
10:25 < bfg> um.... sory my bi fault...... i overlooked th ? in svn status
10:26 < rxr> no problem :-)
10:26 < rxr> so - I guess I have to blog about my failed battery
10:26 < bfg> i have so many little adaptionsthat i'm sometimes confused about svn status
10:31 < tr1> ah ok if i rename files the patch file includes this
10:33 < tr1> hm maybe time to read the svn handbook...
10:45 < tr1> ok the patch is applyed by the build system but still not working :-(
10:45 < tr1> if i look in src.silc-toolkit... there isn't a stringprep.h
10:45 < rxr> you need to deinstall the silc-toolkit
10:46 < tr1> ?
10:46 < tr1> with mine ?
10:46 < rxr> even if the new version does not install the .h anymore the admin files still have it as it was in the former packag version
10:46 < rxr> if you do build inside your running system with Build-Pkg Or Emerge-Pkg they yes, with mine
10:47 < tr1> ah ok
10:48 < rxr> the /var/adm/flists are accumulated
10:48 < rxr> otherwise the package management would loose track of files on updates
10:48 < rxr> that must not happen
10:52 < tr1> hoho !
10:52 < tr1> finished building package silc-toolkit :-)
10:52 < tr1> thx :-)
10:53 < tr1> autocompletion bash for the ./scriptes/... would be nice :-)
10:58 < rxr> :-) patches welcome
11:14 < tr1> and here are the pidgin patches for silc-1.1: http://silcnet.org/priikone/pidgin/
11:21 < tr1> hm what are .loT files ?
11:41 < rxr> where do you see those files?
11:41 < rxr> probably some lib tool whatever files or so
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11:44 < tr1> ah ok
11:44 < tr1> hi sepp
11:46 < sepp_> hi tr1 :)
11:54 < tr1> hm i get the error: configure.ac:107 error possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_INTLTOOL
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12:19 < rxr> Apple confirms that Carbon will not be 64-bit on the Carbon Developer mailing list." In addition, the readme file included with Leopard's developer preview says G3 support will be dropped from Leopard.
12:21 < tr1> how to create a .cache file ?
12:21 < rxr> they are created by the build system
12:21 < rxr> placed in $root/var/adm/cache/
12:28 < tr1> is it also created if there is allready a cache file in packages/... ?
12:28 < sepp_> yup
12:29 < tr1> hm my pidgin build is now working but i have to install intltool manualy
12:30 < tr1> so this dependency wasn't found ?
12:33 < sepp_> manualy?
12:33 < tr1> yes i did emerge-pkg...
12:33 < sepp_> i don't have intltool installed, but pidgin
12:34 < tr1> hm maybe it is needed by the new silc plugin ?
12:34 < tr1> i post the patches to the mailinglist maybe you can have a look
12:36 < sepp_> maybe it is some optional i18n feature
12:36 < tr1> yes it is used to something with the *.po files
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13:16 < rxr> re
13:22 < bfg> tr1: i think the pidgin package is in the gnome2 folder because there was a time where pidgin was called gaim and it still depends on plenty of gnome2 libraries
13:23 < bfg> especially gconf
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13:27 < tr1> hm
13:27 < tr1> ah ok i think then it fits there ?
13:40 < tr1> i can't build ffmpeg
13:40 < tr1> can somebody build ffmpeg
13:41 < rxr> I think so
13:41 < rxr> the reference building box is right now rebuilding everything, at 5-gcc right now
13:42 < rxr> in some hours I can tell you if T2 SVN:HEAD ffmpeg still builds on x86 :-)
13:42 < tr1> hm
13:42 < tr1> thx
13:42 < tr1> also efreet is in the wrong order
13:43 < tr1> it should be build after ecore
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13:47 < sepp_> 137.400 ecore < 149.150 efreet :)
13:48 < tr1> is build-target also using this ?
13:48 < sepp_> yes
13:57 < rxr> tr1: note, this static Priority tag is beeing replaced in the near future with dynamic dep graph parsing using the DEP tags in the .cache files
13:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
13:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
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14:13 < tr1> rxr: how is your build ?
14:13 < rxr> == 14:07:39 =[5]=> Building java/jikes [1.22 7.0-trunk].
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14:22 < tr2> i tried building ffmpeg now from the nightly-snapshot
14:22 < tr2> at it works
14:22 < tr2> ?
14:25 < tr2> you said that t2 would download the file again if there is already a file named ffmpeg-cvs.tar ...
14:26 < tr2> that problem is for every package which is downloaded through cvs when i don't do "-d $date" and name the downloaded file ffmepg-$date.tar.gz
14:26 < sepp_> download/mirror/f/ffmpeg-2007-04-25.tar.bz2
14:27 < tr2> a variable like $date would be nice ?
14:27 < sepp_> it is the version (date) from the desc
14:28 < tr2> sepp_: i tried it with the desc file from cvs which uses the svn checkout from 04.25 but i was not able to compile
14:28 < tr2> with the nightly cvs checkout i was able to compile
14:28 < sepp_> what was the error?
14:29 < rxr> maybe nasm related assembly error ?
14:32 < tr2> wait error in yuv2rgb.c
14:32 < tr2> yes asm related error
14:32 < rxr> yeah - that ia an nasm regression
14:32 < rxr> we probably should downdate nasm
14:32 < tr2> expected =" ' ' " ' ' " ';' , 'asm' or '___attribute__' before '*' token
14:33 < tr2> ect.
14:33 < tr2> but with the nightly cvs build ffmpeg compiles fine
14:33 < rxr> maybe they check if nasm actually works, now :-)
14:33 < tr2> i got this message with the 2007-04-25 ffmpeg
14:35 < tr2> hm
14:36 < tr2> ok what about a variable $date in the desc file ?
14:36 < tr2> would this be possible ?
14:37 < tr2> so everytime i compile a package it is the last svn checkout and the download script don't complain about the already downloaded file
14:37 < tr2> because the new file is named after "package"-$date.tar.gz
14:38 < tr2> or something like $date$time
14:38 < rxr> well - we want known to build packages
14:38 < rxr> keeping 3000 packages to build on all platforms is hard enough
14:38 < rxr> random dates make it even harder
14:38 < tr2> yes sure
14:38 < rxr> but updating T2 packages is already easy enough
14:38 < tr2> i only mean for personal use
14:39 < rxr> in fact the easiest compared with all other dists
14:39 < rxr> I rather suggest you help keep watching out for real update and test and commit those
14:39 < rxr> we have a t2-updates mailing list where possible updates scroll allong
14:39 < rxr> along
14:39 < rxr> this is where most dayly updates come from
14:39 < rxr> plug http://freshmeat.net et al.
14:39 < tr2> yes sure
14:40 < rxr> any help wit those updates is very much welcome
14:44 < sepp_> e.g. e17 does not work well with random/daily checkouts
14:47 < rxr> sepp_: do you run a AIGLX desktop or classic X setup ?
14:47 < sepp_> 'classic X'
14:48 < rxr> do you have a second to test if exact-image/edisplay works with medium sized images for you?
14:48 < sepp_> yes
14:48 < rxr> sine some weeks I only get a white window from Evas with sub 1024 sized images in edisplay
14:48 < sepp_> from svn?
14:48 < rxr> yes, that would be perfect
14:48 < tr2> yes, but maybe you do some coding for the package bloblo and you always want to have the last cvs checkout it would be nice if you can overlay (through /target/$id/packages/) a package desc file which will always update checkout your the last source without deleting a package in download/... or changing the desc file
14:48 < rxr> https://svn.exactcode.de/exact-image/trunk
14:49 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/exact-image/testsuite/tif/4.2.04.tif
14:49 < rxr> ^- my favourite test-image
14:50 < rxr> you do not need to install exact-image
14:50 < tr2> but i don't know how much work is need to have a variable $date or something like this in t2 - where to look ?
14:50 < rxr> ./objdir/edisplay/edisplay 4.2.04.tif is enough
14:50 < rxr> tr2: various places would need an update, scripts/Download and scripts/function.in and some more
14:51 < rxr> maybe start reading the sources for the Download and Build-Pkg case
14:51 < sepp_> that looks fine
14:52 < rxr> sepp_: ok - thanks
14:52 < sepp_> np
14:52 < rxr> I already imagined it would be some strange evas<->libx11 interaction
14:52 < rxr> strange is, that I have no other X program to have such drawing glitches
14:52 < rxr> I run a Beryl since the CeBIT
14:52 < rxr> (where I first tried it to have a pretty T2 SDE to show)
14:53 < rxr> guess I'll finally convert my C++ EvasHelper into a ExactCanvas based on Agg ...
14:54 < sepp_> you mean a stable base that does not change every night? :p
14:54 < rxr> yes, exactly
14:54 < rxr> and one where I have more control as well
14:54 < rxr> e.g. currently huge images are very inefficient with Evas
15:02 < tr2> rxr: thx i will look at the download and the functions.in files to get a idea what is needed :-)
15:03 < tr2> rxr: i would like to give a short talk about t2 at our lokal lug group next month i would prepare a few slides - can i post the slides to the t2 mailinglist to get same feedback ?
15:03 < rxr> sure
15:03 < rxr> I can post a link to my last slides as well
15:04 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/pr/trunk/t2-talk/presentation.pdf
15:04 < tr2> ah thx
15:05 < rxr> near the pdf are the original LaTeX sources
15:05 < rxr> if you want to reuse it
15:06 < tr2> txh thats nice
15:08 < tr2> what is the difference betwenn hook_add and var_append / var_remove ?
15:08 < rxr> var_* are helper functions to work with variables in bash
15:08 < rxr> e.g. mostly helping with the delimiter like : or ' '
15:08 < rxr> if you would code manually like
15:08 < rxr> makeopt="$makeopt foo bar"
15:09 < rxr> or
15:09 < rxr> some_path="$some_path:foo:bar"
15:09 < rxr> you would get leading seperators if the variable was empty
15:09 < rxr> the hook_* functions are for a totally different purpose
15:09 < rxr> hooks in T2 (and in general programming) are points where additional code can be executed
15:10 < rxr> so with hook_add hook-name priority "code to run" you add code to those hooks
15:10 < rxr> hooks are like prepatch, preconf, premake, postmake, ...
15:10 < tr2> is there a package which uses var_* ?
15:10 < rxr> to run the stuff in a hook the function hook_eval, ...
15:10 < rxr> tr2: most packages that have a .conf file have var_* stuff inside
15:11 < rxr> tr2: if code alters variables those var_* functions should be used to not insert stray seperators accidently
15:11 < tr2> ok i found http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.conf
15:12 < tr2> the var_append there is for ?
15:12 < tr2> changing the "confopt" or adding confopt ?
15:12 < rxr> yep
15:12 < rxr> and the hooks are used to rename the installed example config and run this substituion on some files
15:13 < tr2> what is the confopt ? (sorry maybe a stupid question)
15:13 < tr2> ah ok the hooks thing is clear
15:13 < rxr> confopt is a T2 variable holding the options passed to the configure scripts
15:13 < tr2> ah ok
15:13 < rxr> confopt is filled automatically with some values like --prefix and cpu architecture arguments
15:13 < rxr> but some packages of course need to insert some more stuff
15:14 < rxr> often even conditionally on config options or other installed packages
15:14 < rxr> you can find more about this topic in the big handbook
15:14 < tr2> that can't be done with hook_add - hook_add is to run something like "mv" , right ?
15:15 < tr2> ah ok there is also CC_WRAPPER_INSERT
15:15 < rxr> yes, stuff like mv or sed can be run in this hooks
15:16 < tr2> what is "makeopt" ?
15:16 < rxr> like confopt the options passed to make
15:16 < rxr> and makeinstopt the options passed to make at install time
15:16 < tr2> ah ok sorry found it in the handbook :-)
15:16 < rxr> yeah - the handbook is great, isn't it :_)
15:16 < tr2> so i can change every Configuration parameters with var_append or var_remove
15:16 < rxr> but we happily also educate here in the channel
15:16 < rxr> it also filles our homepage with info users and google can find :-)
15:17 < rxr> http://www.google.com/custom?cx=010888532094808064914%3Aq0bx6ixm8lk&cof=GFNT%3A%23666666%3BLH%3A100%3BCX%3AT2%2520SDE%2520Project%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3BFORID%3A0%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Et2-project%2Eorg%2F%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Et2-project%2Eorg%2Ft2-logo-medium%2Epng%3BLP%3A1%3BAH%3Aleft&q=makeopt&hl=en&client=pub-2860176634161485&channel=3664180173
15:17 < rxr> :-)
15:17 < tr2> yes of course - i know quit everythink this talk is just for google
15:18 < tr2> but thx ;-)
15:18 < rxr> you'r welcome :-))
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17:37 < misl> hi folks
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18:18 < tri> moin
18:18 < sepp_> moin tri :)
18:27 < tri> pingpong rxr
18:27 < tri> rxr: how is your build going ?
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18:34 < mickey|fic> nm, i'll send you an email
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20:02 < kic> anyone available?
20:03 < kic> I've downloaded the 7.0-rc iso, burned a dvd, booted into, everything starts up, kde, etc
20:03 < kic> but how to i start the install?
20:03 < kic> opening a terminal, and typing stone brings up the stone script, but it doesn't act as if its going to install
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20:11 < sepp_> hi kic
20:12 < kic> hi
20:13 < sepp_> but i can not answer the livecd question, never used it :(
20:13 < kic> ah
20:14 < kic> so if you wanted to install the prebuilt 7.0 desktop, how would you do it?
20:14 < sepp_> no clue, always use the un-live version
20:15 < kic> where can i get that?
20:15 < kic> is it available as an iso to burn to CD/DVD?
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20:16 < sepp_> for 7.0-rc the is only the livecd so far
20:16 < kic> ah
20:17 < sepp_> i think you should use stone to install even the livecd
20:19 < kic> i think its: stone install
20:19 < kic> instead of just: stone
20:19 < kic> ?
20:19 < sepp_> just 'stone'
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20:55 < kic> just stone doesn't seem to work
20:57 < sepp_> if you send a mail to the list i am sure you will get an qualified answer
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