T2 IRC Log: 2007-05-15
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--- Log opened Tue May 15 00:00:42 2007
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07:56 < tri> moin
08:23 < tri> does this mean: "Both Emerge-Pkg as well as Build-Pkg will build and install a package into the root of the filesystem you initiate it in, that is it overwrites the ones currently installed." i can do a Emerge-Pkg and the package is only installed into the selected target which do not have to be my running system, right ?
08:59 < rxr> moin
09:00 < rxr> tri: no, Emerge-Pkg always installs into the running system
09:00 < rxr> to build a package into a chroot target: Build-Target -job 5-$pkgname
09:08 < tri> why -job 5
09:08 < rxr> because Build-Target knows about jobs to build
09:08 < rxr> the ?- is the stage
09:09 < rxr> 0 is toolchain, 1 cross and so on 5 is the normal, build everything stage
09:09 < tri> ah ok
09:10 < tri> can build-target handel dependcy ?
09:10 < tri> or how to install firefox with build-target for a new target
09:10 < rxr> it currently uses the Priority tag for sorting
09:10 < rxr> but in the future it will use the .ache [DEP]s
09:10 < rxr> however Build-Target will only build what's selected in the target
09:11 < rxr> if you do not select gtk+, Build-Target will not build it
09:11 < tri> ii have build my new target how can i install it on my system - without using the iso's ?
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09:12 < tri> so if i want to include firefox in my target and use build-target (emerge-target doesnt work because of installing to the running system only) i have to handel dependcy manuel ?
09:12 < rxr> targets are to permanently save build configurations
09:13 < rxr> you could test in your system, even use Emerge and store the final packages to build build in the target's package selection (pkgsel)
09:19 < tri> wups
09:19 < tri> didnt get the last :-)
09:20 < rxr> you can test on your system with Emerge-Pkg until you have all packages you want and theN
09:20 < rxr> then:
09:20 < rxr> ls /var/adm/package > target/my/pkgsel
09:20 < rxr> well - with a sed to add the leading X :-)
09:21 < rxr> | sed 's/^/X /'
09:34 < CIA-9> mtr * r24069 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr/vdr.desc: * updated vdr (1.4.6 -> 1.4.7)
09:38 < CIA-9> rene * r24070 /trunk/package/perl/perl-glib/perl-glib.desc: * updated perl-glib (1.144 -> 1.150)
09:38 < CIA-9> rene * r24071 /trunk/package/perl/perl-cairo/perl-cairo.desc: * updated perl-cairo (1.023 -> 1.040)
09:41 < CIA-9> rene * r24072 /trunk/package/base/memtester/memtester.desc: * updated memtester (4.0.6 -> 4.0.7)
09:41 < rxr> hi mtr
09:47 < mtr> moin rxr ;-)
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10:17 < sepp> moin :)
10:20 < rxr> moin sepp
10:21 < tri> hi sepp
10:21 < tri> hi mtr
10:21 < tri> hi write_erase
10:21 < sepp> hi rxr tri mtr ... :)
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10:22 < tri> hi emte_
10:22 < tri> :-)
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10:24 < mtr> hi sepp tri write_erase ... :)
10:27 < tri> woh! - that is great fun...
10:29 < write_erase> hi !
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11:41 < tri> hm if i do "ls /var/adm/package > target/my/pkgsel" and then build this new target all software is build incl. dependcy ?
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11:50 < rxr> all software as it was installed when you did the ls
11:50 < CIA-9> rene * r24073 /trunk/package/xorg/fdclock/ (fdclock.cache fdclock.conf): * fixed fdclock to build and updated it's .cache
11:51 < rxr> ls /var/adm/packages/ | sed 's/^/X /'
11:51 < rxr> the X for select .-)
11:51 < tri> ah ok
12:07 < write_erase> rxr, I'll be in Berlin from Wed 30/05 to Sun 03/06
12:09 < rxr> write_erase: that sounds great!
12:14 < write_erase> Do you have some advice for booking hotel not too far from the meeting
12:15 < rxr> not really
12:15 < rxr> Berlin is soo big, ...
12:16 < rxr> normal hotel or more youth hostel thing ?
12:16 < write_erase> normal hotel
12:18 < write_erase> rxr, There are some informations on the Linuxtag website
12:21 < rxr> ok
12:21 < rxr> susan has no hotel in mind either
12:22 < rxr> we could take a look in some local reservation sites if the Linuxtag site is not helpful enough
12:22 < write_erase> Thx
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12:25 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
12:26 < rxr> ok, two things in the queue, direct Google Map based T2 map:
12:26 < rxr> to replace the current frappr based one:
12:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
12:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/index2.html
12:27 < rxr> the frappr based one degrades all the time, it requires Flash to use the map and the HTML page does not show all pins anymore
12:27 < rxr> in combination with a single-sign-on T2 ID, that will in the future replace the current user-id mix for SVN, Trac, homepage edit, etc:
12:28 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/index3.html
12:28 < rxr> comments welcome
12:54 < rxr> so - lunch, cu then
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13:13 < tri> is the useradd script already working ?
13:34 < rxr> re
13:35 < rxr> the online map, no not yet
13:35 < rxr> but it will in an hour or so
13:37 < tri> i have /var/adm/package/firefox but i cannt execute firefox
13:37 < tri> i cannot found the binary
13:41 < rxr> grep bin /var/adm/flist/firefox ?
13:44 < tri> firefox: opt/mozilla.org/sbin and firefox: opt/mozilla.org/bin
13:47 < tri> but this directorys are empty
13:47 < rxr> did firefox build without an error ?
13:54 < tri> yes i think so - i try it again
13:55 < tri> ups no "former build was broken" - sorry for the noise...
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16:53 < sepp> hello :)
16:59 < Stelz> hi sepp
17:01 < sepp> hi Stelz :)
17:42 < rxr> hi sepp
17:42 < rxr> back in some minutes
17:46 < Stelz> hi rxr
17:46 < Stelz> gcc 4.2.0 out?..
17:47 < Stelz> woowooow
17:47 < Stelz> blender 2.44 out
17:47 < sepp> can it open its own files on *64 now?
17:48 < sepp> "now 64 bits" wow ;)
17:48 < sepp> + safe
17:49 < Stelz> yes, sepp
17:49 < Stelz> # Blender 2.44 Released
17:49 < Stelz> May 13, 2007
17:49 < Stelz> An upgrade release for 2.43, now 64 bits safe and with SSS!
17:49 < Stelz> :D
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19:20 < d-marc> hi
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19:46 < misl> hi folks
19:46 < Stelz> hi misl
19:47 < misl> hi Stelz
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20:00 < rxr> rehiall
20:02 < misl> hi rxr
20:11 < rxr> hi misl
20:11 < rxr> hi d-marc
20:11 < rxr> d-marc: I'll check out the uclibc+gstl size tomorrow
20:11 < rxr> have to finish some stuff tonight
20:12 < rxr> d-marc: btw. list archive will be public when we have a few mails
20:12 < rxr> for t2 we use external services, but my plan is to add a local archive browser as well
20:12 < rxr> (also for google hits ;-)
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20:19 < d-marc> rxr: very good
20:19 < d-marc> rxr: its gnu stl not gstl
20:19 < d-marc> ;)
20:19 < d-marc> small but important difference
20:22 < rxr> heh, is there another stl named gstl ?
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20:24 < tri> re
20:34 < tri> what is the "toolchain" ?
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20:53 < rxr> "toolchain" == : compilier, assembler, linker, ...
20:59 < d-marc> cu
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21:11 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
21:11 < rxr> ^- online
21:25 < rxr> cu all
21:25 < tri> cu rxr
21:25 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
21:26 < rxr> ^- first custom T2 worldmap online
21:26 < rxr> have fun with it
21:26 < rxr> cu all
21:26 < rxr> n8
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21:34 < tri> hi keinek
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21:59 < tri> gn8
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23:38 < write_erase> hi
23:39 < sepp_> hi write_erase :)
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07:56 < tri> moin
08:23 < tri> does this mean: "Both Emerge-Pkg as well as Build-Pkg will build and install a package into the root of the filesystem you initiate it in, that is it overwrites the ones currently installed." i can do a Emerge-Pkg and the package is only installed into the selected target which do not have to be my running system, right ?
08:59 < rxr> moin
09:00 < rxr> tri: no, Emerge-Pkg always installs into the running system
09:00 < rxr> to build a package into a chroot target: Build-Target -job 5-$pkgname
09:08 < tri> why -job 5
09:08 < rxr> because Build-Target knows about jobs to build
09:08 < rxr> the ?- is the stage
09:09 < rxr> 0 is toolchain, 1 cross and so on 5 is the normal, build everything stage
09:09 < tri> ah ok
09:10 < tri> can build-target handel dependcy ?
09:10 < tri> or how to install firefox with build-target for a new target
09:10 < rxr> it currently uses the Priority tag for sorting
09:10 < rxr> but in the future it will use the .ache [DEP]s
09:10 < rxr> however Build-Target will only build what's selected in the target
09:11 < rxr> if you do not select gtk+, Build-Target will not build it
09:11 < tri> ii have build my new target how can i install it on my system - without using the iso's ?
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09:12 < tri> so if i want to include firefox in my target and use build-target (emerge-target doesnt work because of installing to the running system only) i have to handel dependcy manuel ?
09:12 < rxr> targets are to permanently save build configurations
09:13 < rxr> you could test in your system, even use Emerge and store the final packages to build build in the target's package selection (pkgsel)
09:19 < tri> wups
09:19 < tri> didnt get the last :-)
09:20 < rxr> you can test on your system with Emerge-Pkg until you have all packages you want and theN
09:20 < rxr> then:
09:20 < rxr> ls /var/adm/package > target/my/pkgsel
09:20 < rxr> well - with a sed to add the leading X :-)
09:21 < rxr> | sed 's/^/X /'
09:34 < CIA-9> mtr * r24069 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr/vdr.desc: * updated vdr (1.4.6 -> 1.4.7)
09:38 < CIA-9> rene * r24070 /trunk/package/perl/perl-glib/perl-glib.desc: * updated perl-glib (1.144 -> 1.150)
09:38 < CIA-9> rene * r24071 /trunk/package/perl/perl-cairo/perl-cairo.desc: * updated perl-cairo (1.023 -> 1.040)
09:41 < CIA-9> rene * r24072 /trunk/package/base/memtester/memtester.desc: * updated memtester (4.0.6 -> 4.0.7)
09:41 < rxr> hi mtr
09:47 < mtr> moin rxr ;-)
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10:17 < sepp> moin :)
10:20 < rxr> moin sepp
10:21 < tri> hi sepp
10:21 < tri> hi mtr
10:21 < tri> hi write_erase
10:21 < sepp> hi rxr tri mtr ... :)
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10:22 < tri> hi emte_
10:22 < tri> :-)
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10:24 < mtr> hi sepp tri write_erase ... :)
10:27 < tri> woh! - that is great fun...
10:29 < write_erase> hi !
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11:41 < tri> hm if i do "ls /var/adm/package > target/my/pkgsel" and then build this new target all software is build incl. dependcy ?
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11:50 < rxr> all software as it was installed when you did the ls
11:50 < CIA-9> rene * r24073 /trunk/package/xorg/fdclock/ (fdclock.cache fdclock.conf): * fixed fdclock to build and updated it's .cache
11:51 < rxr> ls /var/adm/packages/ | sed 's/^/X /'
11:51 < rxr> the X for select .-)
11:51 < tri> ah ok
12:07 < write_erase> rxr, I'll be in Berlin from Wed 30/05 to Sun 03/06
12:09 < rxr> write_erase: that sounds great!
12:14 < write_erase> Do you have some advice for booking hotel not too far from the meeting
12:15 < rxr> not really
12:15 < rxr> Berlin is soo big, ...
12:16 < rxr> normal hotel or more youth hostel thing ?
12:16 < write_erase> normal hotel
12:18 < write_erase> rxr, There are some informations on the Linuxtag website
12:21 < rxr> ok
12:21 < rxr> susan has no hotel in mind either
12:22 < rxr> we could take a look in some local reservation sites if the Linuxtag site is not helpful enough
12:22 < write_erase> Thx
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12:25 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
12:26 < rxr> ok, two things in the queue, direct Google Map based T2 map:
12:26 < rxr> to replace the current frappr based one:
12:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
12:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/index2.html
12:27 < rxr> the frappr based one degrades all the time, it requires Flash to use the map and the HTML page does not show all pins anymore
12:27 < rxr> in combination with a single-sign-on T2 ID, that will in the future replace the current user-id mix for SVN, Trac, homepage edit, etc:
12:28 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/index3.html
12:28 < rxr> comments welcome
12:54 < rxr> so - lunch, cu then
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13:13 < tri> is the useradd script already working ?
13:34 < rxr> re
13:35 < rxr> the online map, no not yet
13:35 < rxr> but it will in an hour or so
13:37 < tri> i have /var/adm/package/firefox but i cannt execute firefox
13:37 < tri> i cannot found the binary
13:41 < rxr> grep bin /var/adm/flist/firefox ?
13:44 < tri> firefox: opt/mozilla.org/sbin and firefox: opt/mozilla.org/bin
13:47 < tri> but this directorys are empty
13:47 < rxr> did firefox build without an error ?
13:54 < tri> yes i think so - i try it again
13:55 < tri> ups no "former build was broken" - sorry for the noise...
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15:44 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
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16:53 < sepp> hello :)
16:59 < Stelz> hi sepp
17:01 < sepp> hi Stelz :)
17:42 < rxr> hi sepp
17:42 < rxr> back in some minutes
17:46 < Stelz> hi rxr
17:46 < Stelz> gcc 4.2.0 out?..
17:47 < Stelz> woowooow
17:47 < Stelz> blender 2.44 out
17:47 < sepp> can it open its own files on *64 now?
17:48 < sepp> "now 64 bits" wow ;)
17:48 < sepp> + safe
17:49 < Stelz> yes, sepp
17:49 < Stelz> # Blender 2.44 Released
17:49 < Stelz> May 13, 2007
17:49 < Stelz> An upgrade release for 2.43, now 64 bits safe and with SSS!
17:49 < Stelz> :D
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19:20 < d-marc> hi
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19:46 < misl> hi folks
19:46 < Stelz> hi misl
19:47 < misl> hi Stelz
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20:00 < rxr> rehiall
20:02 < misl> hi rxr
20:11 < rxr> hi misl
20:11 < rxr> hi d-marc
20:11 < rxr> d-marc: I'll check out the uclibc+gstl size tomorrow
20:11 < rxr> have to finish some stuff tonight
20:12 < rxr> d-marc: btw. list archive will be public when we have a few mails
20:12 < rxr> for t2 we use external services, but my plan is to add a local archive browser as well
20:12 < rxr> (also for google hits ;-)
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20:19 < d-marc> rxr: very good
20:19 < d-marc> rxr: its gnu stl not gstl
20:19 < d-marc> ;)
20:19 < d-marc> small but important difference
20:22 < rxr> heh, is there another stl named gstl ?
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20:24 < tri> re
20:34 < tri> what is the "toolchain" ?
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20:53 < rxr> "toolchain" == : compilier, assembler, linker, ...
20:59 < d-marc> cu
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21:11 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
21:11 < rxr> ^- online
21:25 < rxr> cu all
21:25 < tri> cu rxr
21:25 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
21:26 < rxr> ^- first custom T2 worldmap online
21:26 < rxr> have fun with it
21:26 < rxr> cu all
21:26 < rxr> n8
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21:34 < tri> hi keinek
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21:59 < tri> gn8
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23:38 < write_erase> hi
23:39 < sepp_> hi write_erase :)
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