T2 IRC Log: 2006-11-03

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--- Log opened Fri Nov 03 00:00:18 2006
00:09 * Stelz is away: Sleep is good. Zzzzz
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09:02 < rxr> re
09:08 [Users #t2]
09:08 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-5 ] [ LMJ] [ shevegen] [ zod]
09:08 [ _Ragnar_] [ emte ] [ mtr] [ Stelz ]
09:08 [ Baldzius] [ idealm] [ rxr] [ valentin]
09:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
09:12 < CIA-5> rene * r20637 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode.desc: * updated rxvt-unicode (7.9 -> 8.0)
09:12 < CIA-5> rene * r20638 /trunk/package/graphic/freeimage/freeimage.desc: * updated freeimage (391 -> 392)
09:18 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0611/48719.html
09:33 < Baldzius> hi rxr
09:34 < CIA-5> aldas * r20639 /trunk/package/network/bind/bind.desc:
09:34 < CIA-5> * updated bind (9.3.2-P1 -> 9.3.2-P2)
09:34 < CIA-5> * security update
09:35 < CIA-5> aldas * r20640 /trunk/package/network/nessus/nessus.desc: * updated nessus (2.2.8 -> 2.2.9)
09:38 < rxr> moin Baldzius
09:47 < emte> moo
09:51 < emte> are the cache files auto generated?
09:53 < emte> ... dropbear is in security ... odd place
10:04 < emte> wtf ...
10:04 < emte> how does hal depend on wxwindows ?
10:04 < emte> er wxpython
10:10 < rxr> emte: they are auto generated - and recently we added some saner filtering
10:11 < rxr> those random deps sneak mostly in due autoconf/automake m4 macro use (filtered now) and formerly also due python use (filtered now as well)
10:11 < rxr> but the trunk .cache files are not yet updated from the latest reference build
10:11 < emte> ah
10:11 < rxr> thus despite the filtering added we still wait for the currently running builds to finish to commit the hopefully way cleaner files
10:11 < emte> it looks like i am about to try and add my first "real" package
10:12 < emte> i am supprised you dont already have tinylogin
10:12 < rxr> also this are build-time deps, thus even non-python using stuff depends on python if they used python somewhere in their makefiles or so
10:12 < rxr> oh we have a lot of tiny "gettys" ...
10:12 < emte> tinylogin is generally coupled with busybox
10:13 < rxr> well I'm not su much a busybox / uclibc fan
10:13 < rxr> I go more into the even smaller dietlibc / embutils region ...
10:13 < emte> it all depends how much room you have to play with i suppose
10:14 < emte> and what you want to support
10:14 < emte> i dont know if dietlibc behaves on arm or not
10:14 < emte> i've onlu used uclibc and glibc
10:14 < emte> only*
10:20 < emte> btw you REALLY need to fix that stupid check icon in the handbook
10:20 < emte> it renders at 935x1210 and makes things a bit hard to follow
10:21 < emte> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2-handbookse71.html if you want a quick link
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10:35 < rxr> moin mtr_
10:36 < rxr> emte: yes, the html output from the TeX source is annoying, we migrate to Docbook already ...
10:36 < emte> its not an html problem
10:36 < emte> its whoever made that graphic
10:37 < emte> or perhaps they use IE specific tags for scaling
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10:42 * emte doesnt quite follow this priority thing ....
10:42 < rxr> the P tag ?
10:42 < emte> yeah
10:43 < rxr> it is just a linear number in which order to build the packages in
10:43 < rxr> we know this sucks
10:43 < rxr> this is what chome omputers in 1998 could use - computing the whole graph took too long
10:43 < rxr> we want to get rid of this junk ASAP
10:44 < emte> can i skip that tag in the desc ?
10:44 < rxr> and use the auto generated .cache DEPs to build the graph for building
10:44 < rxr> emte: nope current it is used to determine the order for build
10:44 < rxr> if you want it to build after busybox use the P tag of busybox and add +1 to the number
10:44 < rxr> did I mention it sucks ...
10:44 < rxr> the crappy P tag is the only real shortcomming of T2 :-(
10:45 < emte> the last number or the first one?
10:45 < rxr> it is one number
10:45 < rxr> the dot is just the normal thousand seperator for human readability
10:46 < emte> normal ... cant say that for canada
10:47 < rxr> yeah - ok granded - english countrires would use ,
10:47 < rxr> than take it as decimal fraction :-)
10:47 < rxr> doesn't really matter anyway
10:47 < rxr> and with T2 7.0 this most annoying P tag will be gone anyway
10:47 < emte> np, was just confused about how it worked
10:49 < rxr> and the numer with dashes in the P tag list the build stages to build the package in
10:49 < rxr> 0: cross toolchain
10:49 < rxr> 1: cross package build
10:49 < rxr> 5: native build in the sandbox
10:49 < rxr> the others numbers can be ignored, few packages use thenm ...
10:50 < emte> yeah i figured that was how taht worked
10:51 < emte> the second number was rather vague
10:51 < CIA-5> aldas * r20641 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (1.2.4 -> 1.2.6)
10:54 < emte> well she is building :)
10:55 < rxr> she ?
10:55 < emte> he/she/it/the thing
10:55 < emte> nice error
10:55 < emte> !> arm-t2-linux-gnu-strip: supported targets: elf32-littlearm elf32-bigarm
10:56 < rxr> guessed so - just wanted to be sure
10:56 < rxr> the Lua book is cool, the author writes "she" for "the programmer" thruout the book :-)
10:58 < emte> :)
11:06 < CIA-5> rene * r20642 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/status.sh:
11:06 < CIA-5> * improved hard-disk usage formating of the archivista target and not use the
11:06 < CIA-5> ugly logbox, use a msgbox instead ...
11:18 < CIA-5> rene * r20643 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/publish.sh:
11:18 < CIA-5> * added a check for previous published archives to the archivista target and
11:18 < CIA-5> an question whether to delete those
11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20644 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/publish.sh:
11:22 < CIA-5> * wipe more in-system configuration in the archivista publishing feature
11:22 < CIA-5> (so e.g. the permanent SSH/VNC/CUPS configuration are not leaked into the
11:22 < CIA-5> archive)
11:25 < CIA-5> aldas * r20645 /trunk/package/develop/php/ (CVE-2006-4625.patch CVE-2006-4812.patch php.desc):
11:25 < CIA-5> * updated php (5.1.6 -> 5.2.0)
11:25 < CIA-5> * removed CVE-2006-4625.patch & CVE-2006-4812.patch - obsolete
11:25 < emte> time for another nap, i'll poke at tinylogin more tomorrow
11:25 < emte> the patches need adjustment anyway
11:25 < rxr> cu and sleep well emte
12:00 < CIA-5> rene * r20646 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/publish.sh:
12:00 < CIA-5> * improved the archivista publishing feature to ask the user if he demands
12:00 < CIA-5> more copies after the archive was written to the device and fixed the
12:00 < CIA-5> archive removal to always delete the sparse ISO if it was uncompressed
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12:06 * rxr lunch
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12:48 < rxr> hi `axion
12:48 < rxr> wb idealm
12:51 < CIA-5> rene * r20647 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/status.sh: * fixed yet another remove vs. remote typo in the archvista/status.sh
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14:05 < idealm> hi rxr
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15:13 < rxr> I have a reliable OS X kernel panic from user-space code fragment misusing the USB stack
15:13 < rxr> anyone interested ??
15:14 < rxr> and no, I did not wrote it for the fun of it, I just try to port our Mac (user-space) driver to i386 ... so it is rather an annoying coincidence as I know have to one-shoot at a time debugging how to avoid the immediate kernel freeze ...
15:15 < rxr> as a sidenote: I never managed to panic the Linux USB stack in the last 6 years or so ...
15:21 * Stelz is away: Sleep is good. Zzzzz
15:21 * Stelz is back (gone 00:00:03)
15:23 < rxr> hi Stelz
15:23 < Stelz> hi rxr
15:23 < Stelz> time to install a new cooler for my video
15:23 < Stelz> c u later :-)
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16:45 < kensai> hello!!!
16:49 < rxr> hi kensai
16:49 < kensai> :)
17:30 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
17:31 < misl> hi folks
17:33 < valentin> hi misl
17:35 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.171.248.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
17:35 < sepp> hello :)
17:35 < rxr> hi misl and sepp
17:36 < sepp> hi misl and rxr
17:36 < valentin> hi sepp
17:36 < sepp> hi valentin :)
17:37 < valentin> i feel there is some conversation comming up here, but this is not the reason i'll leave in a minute :/
17:37 < sepp> i feel cold
17:37 * rxr too
17:38 < rxr> and more so because I debug crashing Mac/i386 USB code ...
17:38 < rxr> why can't people keep running sane PPC binaries in the code morphing happily ...
17:40 < rxr> or a gcc backend code morphing ppc->i386 statically ...
17:40 < rxr> write one translate everywhere ...
17:40 < rxr> once
17:41 < valentin> cu then
17:41 < sepp> cu valentin
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18:32 < Stelz> re all
18:32 < sepp> hi Stelz
18:32 < Stelz> hi sepp
18:32 < Stelz> nice to c u all
18:39 * sepp looking around where the camera is :p
18:39 [Users #t2]
18:39 [@ChanServ] [ Baldzius] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ shevegen] [ zod]
18:39 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
18:39 [ `axion ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ sepp] [ valentin]
18:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
18:39 < Stelz> lol
18:40 < rxr> if Apple would just have choosen Linux and not this BSD+Mach junk to base on ...
18:40 < rxr> this kernel panics really get on my nerves ...
18:40 < Stelz> rxr:
18:40 < Stelz> found some problem
18:40 < Stelz> during the compilation of perl on stage 1
18:40 < Stelz> could u help me?
18:41 < rxr> .oO
18:41 < Stelz> WARNING: Extensions DB_File or *DBM_File, Fcntl, and IO not configured.
18:41 < Stelz> WARNING: The Perl you are building will be quite crippled.
18:41 < rxr> what error output do you get ?
18:41 < Stelz> and after perl compiles..
18:41 < Stelz> autoconf can't be compiled
18:42 < rxr> it can be that this is normal for stage1 build to not have those ...
18:42 < rxr> what is the autoconf error ?
18:42 < Stelz> it can't find Data/Dumper.pm perl module
18:43 < rxr> but 1-autoconf does not yet the bult perl
18:43 < rxr> built perl even
18:43 < rxr> the 1-perl is cross build - it is in the sandbox in build/...
18:43 < Stelz> rxr: yeah
18:43 < rxr> on 1-autoconf will use your systems perl ....
18:43 < Stelz> but 2-autoconf has
18:43 < rxr> ok - 2-autoconf is failing ?
18:43 < Stelz> yup
18:43 < rxr> do we build perl early on in stage 2 already ...
18:44 < Stelz> nope
18:44 < Stelz> perl builds only on 1 and 3 stages
18:44 < Stelz> but not "2"
18:45 < rxr> can you svn up
18:45 < CIA-5> rene * r20648 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.desc:
18:45 < CIA-5> * changed perl stages, rebuild it early in stage2 as the cross built perl
18:45 < CIA-5> is quite minimal and in the normal stage 5 and not 7 anymore (that behaviour
18:45 < CIA-5> would change soon with the auto dynamic priority anyway)
18:45 < rxr> and retry
18:51 < Stelz> -> Removing var/adm/logs/3-autoconf.err ...
18:51 < Stelz> == 20:46:23 =[3]=> Building base/autoconf [2.59 7.0-trunk].
18:51 < Stelz> strange..
18:51 < Stelz> rxr: 3-autoconf fails
18:51 < rxr> no 2-perl is built ?
18:51 < Stelz> yeah
18:51 < Stelz> :(
18:51 < Stelz> why?
18:52 < rxr> no ?
18:52 < Stelz> no.. :(
18:52 < rxr> maybe the Config was not rebuilt
18:52 < rxr> ./scripts/Config -cfg stlz -oldconfig
18:52 < rxr> and then Build-Target again
18:55 < Stelz> == 20:50:18 =[2]=> Building perl/perl [5.8.8 7.0-trunk].
18:55 < Stelz> yeah..
18:57 < Stelz> rxr: u told me to remind u about that "-dist" removal :-)
18:59 < rxr> .oO
19:12 < rxr> Stelz: I'm under OS X right now tracking USB related kernel panics
19:34 < Stelz> uhm, ok
19:34 < Stelz> rxr: biuld process continued
19:34 < Stelz> :-)
19:34 < Stelz> thanks for help with perl
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19:53 < rxr> Stelz: no problem
19:53 < rxr> sorry that I'm so busy to test the -dist stuff out today
19:53 < rxr> please continue bugging me ...
20:01 < Stelz> lol rxr
20:01 < _Ragnar_> oh rxr ... any idea why suspending with ctrl+z doesn't work with the new system?
20:03 < _Ragnar_> it does suspend the processes, but doesn't give me the usual shell prob
20:03 < _Ragnar_> prompt
20:03 < rxr> err no
20:03 < rxr> did you install my minimal binary or built it yourself ?
20:03 < _Ragnar_> built it myself
20:03 < rxr> do you mix 32 and 64 bit binaries?
20:04 < rxr> I barely remeber there was something when you chroot across those borders that behaved like that once in the past
20:05 < _Ragnar_> hmmm I booted in the 32 bit system, then started replacing the binaries
20:05 < rxr> .oO
20:05 < _Ragnar_> which I'm done with now
20:05 < rxr> replacing in-system with 64bit binaires ?
20:06 < _Ragnar_> of course
20:06 < rxr> .oO
20:06 < rxr> maybe this mixed something up
20:06 < _Ragnar_> dunno ... but the problem was already happening with the 32bit binaries I think (but using the 64bit kernel)
20:06 < rxr> I once had such an behaviour on sparc64 when i chrooted between 32 and 64bit binary sets
20:06 < rxr> hm
20:07 < rxr> maybe try a fresh Build-Target and see how a clean binary-set behaves?
20:07 * rxr off home getting some evening dinner
20:07 < rxr> cu all then
20:08 < _Ragnar_> ok may try that
20:09 < Stelz> cu rxr
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20:53 < CIA-5> aldas * r20649 /branches/6.0/package/network/bind/bind.desc:
20:53 < CIA-5> * merged r20639 from trunk to branches/6.0:
20:53 < CIA-5> updated bind (9.3.2-P1 -> 9.3.2-P2)
21:06 < _Ragnar_> who updated curl? it breaks php
21:06 < Stelz> _Ragnar_:
21:06 < _Ragnar_> (and other stuff)
21:06 < Stelz> i told rxr about it
21:06 < Stelz> we need to revert it
21:20 < CIA-5> ragnar * r20650 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * curl: revert to earlier version, update breaks php and others ...
21:55 < Stelz> thanks, _Ragnar_
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23:02 < CIA-5> aldas * r20651 /trunk/package/xorg/libxcb/ (. libxcb.cache libxcb.desc): * added libxcb (0.9.93) - X C-language Bindings library
23:04 < CIA-5> aldas * r20652 /trunk/package/xorg/xcb-proto/ (. xcb-proto.cache xcb-proto.desc): * added xcb-proto (0.9.93) - X C-language Bindings protocol headers
23:11 < CIA-5> aldas * r20653 /trunk/package/xorg/libx11/libx11.desc:
23:11 < CIA-5> * updated libx11 (1.0.3 -> 1.0.99.2)
23:11 < CIA-5> * security update: CVE-2006-5397
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