T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-14

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--- Log opened Sat Jan 14 00:00:12 2006
00:19 < mnemoc> re
00:26 < karasz> re mnemoc
00:36 < mnemoc> hi karasz :)
00:37 < karasz> i guess i have 3 more to iso to make
00:37 < karasz> i even found an use for them...
00:38 < karasz> they are not completly unusefull
00:39 < mnemoc> what will you do with them?
00:46 < karasz> :)
00:46 < karasz> i can transform various CD images to Iso and mount them without burning...
00:46 < mnemoc> how?
00:46 < mnemoc> ah, loops
00:54 < karasz> yup
00:54 < karasz> i gues gammers can put it to a good use ;)
01:32 < karasz> pdi2iso on ML
01:32 < karasz> now i deserve some sleep
01:33 < mnemoc> pdi?? wth is that?
01:33 < karasz> guess i am not that lazy
01:33 < karasz> an instant copy bin image
01:35 < karasz> http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/
01:35 < morfoh> damn ... karasz ... still awake ?
01:35 < karasz> nope
01:35 < morfoh> I feared that
01:35 < karasz> i add packages to T2 during sleep
01:35 < karasz> just to not waste time :D
01:36 < karasz> i am awake, why you ask?
01:36 < karasz> it is only 03:37 AM
01:36 < mnemoc> karasz: can you re-emerge this pdi2iso without troubles?
01:37 < mnemoc> hook_add postmake 4 'cp -v pdi2iso $root/$bindir' <--- i wonder if that support overwrites
01:37 < karasz> Build-Pkg was ok
01:37 < karasz> i guess not
01:37 < mnemoc> run it again :)
01:37 < karasz> but i will investigate
01:37 < karasz> and make a patch to nrg2iso too
01:37 < karasz> since it has the same line
01:37 < mnemoc> that change i can do it directly, if you confirm it's needed
01:39 < karasz> -vr
01:40 < mnemoc> r??
01:40 < karasz> stop
01:40 < karasz> i am sleeping... :(
01:40 < mnemoc> recursive??
01:40 < Baldzius> :)
01:41 < mnemoc> what about a traditional -f ?
01:41 < karasz> yup
01:41 < Baldzius> force majour :)
01:41 < karasz> or --remove-destination
01:42 < karasz> which one you prefer
01:42 < mnemoc> force
01:42 < karasz> and please do make changes i tried and on second Build fails :(
01:42 < karasz> now i learned that second build counts
01:42 < Baldzius> :)))))
01:44 < karasz> mnemoc: should i make it or will you?
01:44 < mnemoc> i do
01:44 < karasz> btw what is wrong with minto's mail?
01:44 < mnemoc> which need this fix?
01:44 < mnemoc> new job iirc
01:45 < karasz> mnemoc: thanks, i will take care of that sort of things from now on ;)
01:45 < mnemoc> karasz: please don't add #! to .conf files
01:46 < karasz> ok
01:46 < karasz> nrg2iso needs that too
01:46 < karasz> but i don't think that was me with the #!
01:48 < CIA-9> amery * r14807 /trunk/package/filesystem/pdi2iso/ (. pdi2iso.cache pdi2iso.conf pdi2iso.desc):
01:48 < CIA-9> Nagy Karoly Gabriel :
01:48 < CIA-9> * added pdi2iso (0.1) - a PDI to ISO converter
01:50 < karasz> but maybe it was me
01:50 < karasz> i tested again the Create-CopyPatch and i do not have #!
01:51 < CIA-9> amery * r14808 /trunk/package/filesystem/nrg2iso/nrg2iso.conf: * changed nrg2iso to be update-safe (cp -f)
01:51 < mnemoc> Create-CopyPatch keeps #! if present
01:52 < karasz> ok that nay be it
01:52 < karasz> may
01:52 < karasz> ?? svn: Failed to add directory 'package/filesystem/pdi2iso': object of the same name is already scheduled for addition
01:52 < karasz> i deleted pdi2iso and tried to add from trunk with svn up
01:53 < mnemoc> don't forget to revert your previous 'svn add'
01:53 < karasz> svn del?
01:53 < mnemoc> svn revert
01:54 < karasz> svn del made it also
01:54 < mnemoc> svn del add a new change to your working copy instead of undoing the previous one
01:56 < karasz> ack
01:56 < karasz> tested pdi2iso builds recursively fine
01:56 < karasz> thanks mnemoc ;)
01:57 < karasz> off to sleep
01:57 < karasz> cu guys
01:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: after I wiped out every file regarding the gtk-sharp issue and rebuild all packages again, the symlinks are ok ... but still not building
01:57 < morfoh> sleep well karasz
01:57 < mnemoc> gtksharp2 rebuilt?
01:57 < morfoh> yes
01:57 < mnemoc> what gtkmozembedded-sharp say now?
01:57 < karasz> morfoh: you can sleep too since it is pretty late at your place too
01:58 < mnemoc> karasz: it's later at yours
01:58 < karasz> ack
01:58 < morfoh> karasz: yeah ... thanks ... but I had some beer ... so I'm not able to sleep
01:58 < morfoh> :p
01:59 < karasz> try coffee :D
01:59 < karasz> next time
01:59 < morfoh> karasz: thanks for your advice karasz-san :)
02:00 < morfoh> but I think at Baldzius-san's place it's even later
02:01 < Baldzius> 4am here :)
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02:01 < morfoh> ok ... just 1h diff ;)
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02:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: afais the symlinks are not t2 specific ... right ?
02:08 < mnemoc> the package makes them
02:09 < morfoh> build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-athlon-xp-generic/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/glib-sharp.dll -> ../gac/glib-sharp/2.0.0.0__35e10195dab3c99f/glib-sharp.dll
02:09 < mnemoc> broken?
02:09 < morfoh> 2.4.0.0__35e10195dab3c99f
02:09 < mnemoc> remove every package with files in there
02:10 < mnemoc> and then remove the orphan files
02:10 < morfoh> ok ...
02:11 < mnemoc> finally 2.1.1.1 isos uploaded
02:12 < morfoh> :)
02:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I wiped all out of the f* /opt/mono dir and restarted the build
02:22 < mnemoc> :p
02:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: who the f* is the mono* crap maintainer ?
02:24 < morfoh> :p
02:25 * morfoh kicks Alejandro Mery <-- do you know this guy ???
02:25 * morfoh hides
02:26 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you use mono* in some kind atm ?
02:26 < mnemoc> nope
02:27 < mnemoc> last time i used it was 3 years ago
02:27 < morfoh> oh! that's a quite long time
02:27 < morfoh> what have you done with it ?
02:27 < mnemoc> coding
02:28 < morfoh> hahahha :)
02:28 < mnemoc> :)
02:28 < morfoh> thanks :)
02:28 < morfoh> I thought you used it for drilling into your nose :p
02:28 < morfoh> it's very interesting ...
02:29 < morfoh> .oO( he coded with it )o
02:29 < morfoh> nice
02:30 < mnemoc> :)
02:31 < morfoh> from the amount of information you gave, I can assume that it was quite interesting
02:31 < mnemoc> i had to develop some stuff for IIS (asp.net) and i did it on c# at linux
02:31 < mnemoc> nope, quite boring
02:32 < morfoh> :)
02:34 < morfoh> I'd like to know how many percent of the packages included within t2 are used in t2 based production environments :)
02:34 < _Ragnar_> 10%
02:35 < mnemoc> I'd like to know how many percent of the packages included within debian are used in debian based production environments
02:35 < _Ragnar_> 10% ?:)
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02:36 < mnemoc> :)
02:38 < morfoh> hey Ragnar :)
02:38 < _Ragnar_> hey hey ;)
02:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: get a real IRC client
02:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: why can't you shut up with that :p
02:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: I knew that you would say sth. like that ... after I saw the "underlined" Ragnar :p
02:42 < morfoh> irssi doesn't work on that f* machine ...
02:42 < morfoh> f* f* f*
02:42 < mnemoc> so go and get a real f* IRC client!
02:42 < morfoh> nope
02:42 < morfoh> now ... I'll stay with it .. just because you dislike it :)
02:43 < mnemoc> o.o
02:44 < mnemoc> same reason to not get the linguaplone site running?
02:44 < morfoh> == 01/14/06 03:41:22 =[5]=> Aborted building package gtkmozembed-sharp.
02:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope
02:44 < morfoh> == 01/14/06 03:41:45 =[5]=> Aborted building package gtksourceview-sharp.
02:44 < morfoh> == 01/14/06 03:42:04 =[5]=> Aborted building package mono-develop.
02:45 < mnemoc> ?
02:46 < morfoh> gtkmozembed-sharp fails due to the previous seen error
02:46 < morfoh> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/pango-sharp.dll'
02:46 < morfoh> Log:
02:46 < morfoh> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/atk-sharp.dll'
02:46 < morfoh> Log:
02:46 < morfoh> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/gdk-sharp.dll'
02:46 < morfoh> Log:
02:46 < morfoh> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/gtk-sharp.dll'
02:46 < morfoh> Log:
02:46 < morfoh> error CS0006: Cannot find assembly `/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/glib-sharp.dll'
02:46 < morfoh> Log:
02:46 < mnemoc> broken links again???
02:48 < morfoh> yes
02:48 < morfoh> build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-athlon-xp-generic/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/pango-sharp.dll -> ../gac/pango-sharp/2.0.0.0__35e10195dab3c99f/pango-sharp.dll
02:48 < morfoh> that's the link
02:48 < morfoh> but there is no 2.0.0.0 version
02:48 < mnemoc> trace why that crappy link was created there :)
02:49 < mnemoc> sure you rm -rf /opt/mono ?
02:49 < morfoh> yes
02:49 < mnemoc> promise?
02:49 < morfoh> YES
02:49 < mnemoc> :\
02:49 < morfoh> I CHECKED IT
02:50 < mnemoc> l build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/pango-sharp.dll
02:50 < mnemoc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 60 2005-12-07 14:45 build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/opt/mono/lib/mono/gtk-sharp-2.0/pango-sharp.dll -> ../gac/pango-sharp/2.4.0.0__35e10195dab3c99f/pango-sharp.dll*
02:52 < morfoh> guess I should better do Cleanup -full -build ... and rescheduling again ...
02:52 < morfoh> wtf
02:53 < morfoh> or disabling all of f* gtk* based crap :p
02:53 < morfoh> that's really strange if your symlinks are right
02:54 < mnemoc> layer-8
02:54 < morfoh> 8 ?
02:55 < mnemoc> yep, between the table and the chair
02:55 < morfoh> what kind of stuff did you used while I was away ?
02:57 < mnemoc> ?
02:57 < morfoh> what are you talking about tables and chairs ?
02:57 < mnemoc> ehm, you need to sleep
02:58 < mnemoc> what's OSI's layer7?
02:58 < mnemoc> application
02:58 * morfoh really has to sleep
02:58 < mnemoc> what's over it? and physicly between the table (desk) and the chair?
02:58 < mnemoc> _user_
02:59 < morfoh> yeah ... yeah ... I understood :p
02:59 < mnemoc> that's layer-8
02:59 < mnemoc> and where the problem is located
02:59 < morfoh> I doubt
02:59 < morfoh> it's your "stable" build
03:00 < morfoh> :p
03:00 < morfoh> anyhow ... no problem
03:00 < mnemoc> my reference built flawless on that area
03:01 < morfoh> I'll start a fresh one to check your statement :p
03:02 < mnemoc> :)
03:02 < morfoh> :)
03:02 < mnemoc> configure:1995: i586-t2-linux-gnu-gcc conftest.c >&5
03:02 < mnemoc> /usr/src/t2/t2-2.1/build/boot-2.1-stable-x86-pentium-mmx-bootdisk/usr/dietlibc/lib-i386/start.o(.text+0x12): In function `_start':
03:02 < mnemoc> i386/start.S: undefined reference to `_dyn_start'
03:02 < mnemoc> i love this
03:02 < mnemoc> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
03:02 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too
03:03 < morfoh> yeah ...
03:03 < mnemoc> F* unmaintained stickylibc!
03:03 < morfoh> this is probably the best
03:03 < mnemoc> F* unmaintained stickylibc!
03:03 < mnemoc> F* unmaintained stickylibc!
03:03 < morfoh> fefe isn't responding ?
03:03 < mnemoc> nope
03:04 < mnemoc> gn8 ,-)
03:04 < morfoh> gn8 :)
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08:16 < rxr> re
08:43 < misl> morning all
08:53 < LMJ> morning rxr and misl
08:54 < misl> morning LMJ
08:54 < LMJ> how are you dude today ?
08:56 < misl> I am fine, but having breakfest right now :)
09:06 < rxr> moin misl
09:11 < misl> hi rxr
09:32 < CIA-2> rene * r14809 /trunk/package/ (base/dvd+rwtools/ filesystem/dvd+rwtools/): * moved base/dvd+rwtools into filesystem near cdrtools
09:54 < owl> moin
10:03 < CIA-2> rene * r14810 /trunk/architecture/ (powerpc/boot/boot.in sparc/boot/boot.in):
10:03 < CIA-2> * fixed sparc and powerpc boot code to include the 2nd_stage into
10:03 < CIA-2> the iso image
10:04 < CIA-2> rene * r14811 /trunk/architecture/ (share/kernel-common.conf.m4 x86-64/kernel.conf.sh):
10:04 < CIA-2> * fixed x86-64 to enable 32bit binary compatibility by default and
10:04 < CIA-2> the shared common config to enable CONFIG_PNP
10:51 < Baldzius> good morning
10:51 < Baldzius> embutils still doesn't compile on ref build?
10:52 < Baldzius> or it never will ...
10:58 < CIA-2> rene * r14812 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * improved libtool warning text
11:01 < CIA-2> rene * r14813 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Pkg Create-ISO config-functions.in): * migrated remaining exactcode.de URLs to t2-project.org
11:03 < Baldzius> ldconfig
11:03 < Baldzius> make: ldconfig: Command not found
11:03 < Baldzius> make: *** [ldconfig] Error 127
11:03 < Baldzius> ^^ -- =[1]=> Aborted building package procps.
11:04 < rxr> ouhm
11:05 < Baldzius> i can remove it from stage 1
11:05 < Baldzius> should i wait to test?
11:07 < rxr> well - remove it tocally
11:07 < rxr> locally ...
11:07 < rxr> i take a lok later
11:08 < Baldzius> and what about embutils, will it evere compile on ref build?
11:09 < rxr> yes
11:09 < rxr> I add it on my todo queue as well
11:10 < Baldzius> ok
11:12 < rxr> h
11:12 < rxr> ah
11:12 < rxr> I remeber what problem that was
11:12 < rxr> yes, I'll fix it soon
11:12 < rxr> valentin: are you accidently already awake ?
11:14 < valentin> rxr: accidently awake since 8:30 or so...
11:14 < valentin> moin
11:15 < rxr> moin
11:15 < rxr> any plan about the mac driver ?
11:15 < valentin> yes. will try finish the discussed stuff today
11:16 < valentin> you could give me some error reports you talked about
11:16 < rxr> the backtrace ?
11:16 < valentin> for example, but rather a reproducable crash cenario :)
11:17 < valentin> i'll check the big resolution preview thing first, anyway.
11:17 < rxr> well, I could repeat them verbally ...
11:17 < valentin> yes pls - as long as i can reproduce them
11:19 < CIA-2> rene * r14814 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/boot/boot.in:
11:19 < CIA-2> * reverted the last commit and added single entries for the 2nd*stage
11:19 < CIA-2> files to the ppc boot code, a single / entry does nt work, most
11:19 < CIA-2> probably a mkisofs bug
11:20 < rxr> valentin: the other is open, scan, close, open crashed in option setting method of some multi option something button
11:20 < rxr> I can paste details when I'm at home
11:20 < valentin> ok, do that later
11:21 < rxr> oh, and the selection stuff should be a quick edit not to magle the colors but do select
11:21 < valentin> i think i will not be able to do too much before 16:00 anyway...
11:21 < rxr> hm
11:21 < valentin> rxr: yes, that would be second task
11:28 < rxr> so
11:28 < rxr> minimal-ppc and minimal-ppc64 are ready from trunk:HEAD now
11:28 < rxr> unfortunatly I have to do uni stuff most of the remaining weekend ...
11:28 < rxr> have a talk on monday and homework for monday ..
11:28 < rxr> and some exame soon
11:29 < rxr> and yet another design thing to do ...
11:29 < rxr> and another talk in 1 4/7 weeks ...
11:36 < karasz> a good day to you all
11:46 < Baldzius> hi karasz
11:47 < karasz> you do not sleep ever Baldzius ?
11:48 * Baldzius is a robot? :)
11:48 < karasz> :D
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11:48 < morfoh> moin
11:48 < Baldzius> moin morfoh :)
11:49 < morfoh> ohhh! Baldzius :)
11:49 < Baldzius> karasz just asked if i sleep ever, i guess he should as same to you :)
11:49 < Baldzius> s/as/ask/
11:50 < morfoh> Baldzius: hehe ... I just wanted to say that, some people around here have quite short sleep cycle :)
11:51 < morfoh> Baldzius: I take care that I sleep at least 6h ... ok mostly
11:52 < rxr> morfoh: openwrt2 ?
11:52 < morfoh> moin rxr
11:52 < morfoh> rxr: special location ?
11:52 < morfoh> or just on target ?
11:52 < Baldzius> 6h hmm ... i am counting how long i sleep .... mostly 10h :)
11:56 < karasz> hoho morfoh
11:58 < karasz> morfoh: can you give me some advices?
12:01 < morfoh> karasz: moin ... I can try
12:01 < karasz> vserver...
12:02 < karasz> i'd like to setup one for my trunk builds...
12:04 < owl> hi morfoh
12:05 < rxr> morfoh: just one target
12:05 < rxr> or .t2-powered.net ?
12:05 < rxr> I want archivista.t2-powered.net soon
12:05 < rxr> though it rises our commit graph it makes the release tarballs a bit big ...
12:06 < morfoh> moin owlitta "kratzbuerste" :)
12:07 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... then I'll commit it to target for now and we can move it to t2-powered.net later
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12:08 < owl> hi morfoh ;p
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12:10 < morfoh> karasz: have you checked the howtos on linux-vserver.org ?
12:10 < morfoh> karasz: and btw, you should ask a specific question :p
12:11 < morfoh> karasz: cannot look into your brain ... at least not yet ;)
12:11 < karasz> right
12:11 < morfoh> rxr: target name ? openwrt2 or just wrt2 ? or ???
12:12 < karasz> i was interested in something like `first steps to vserver`
12:14 < morfoh> karasz: start building a target, which you want to run as a vserver. in parallel you can check out the howtos on linux-vserver ...
12:17 < morfoh> karasz: important! you need a vserver aware kernel on the host ... and you should note that all vservers don't need a kernel include within the target
12:17 < morfoh> karasz: is that on your local workstation ? or a dedicated server ?
12:19 < karasz> local
12:19 < karasz> local workstation
12:19 < morfoh> 2.1 ?
12:19 < karasz> nope :'(
12:20 < morfoh> karasz: ?
12:20 < karasz> i f*d up my X on 2.1 and i didn't have the nervs to debug it
12:20 < karasz> kanotix-Debian
12:20 * karasz hides
12:20 < morfoh> karasz: yeah ... you should better do so
12:21 * karasz is still running....
12:22 < morfoh> karasz: then you have to do the kernel patching by your own ...
12:22 < karasz> ohum
12:23 < morfoh> karasz: 1. Build a vserver aware kernel
12:24 * karasz is in listening mode
12:24 < morfoh> karasz should better switch to reading and kernel patching mode :p
12:25 * karasz switched to readin' kernel patching...
12:26 < morfoh> karasz: afaik ... there is a debian related howto available at linux-vserver
12:28 * morfoh is wondering why karasz-san is using debian :(
12:29 < morfoh> karasz: mnemoc-san has invested so much time for integrating vserver into t2 ... and you're using debian
12:29 * karasz is ashamed
12:30 < morfoh> karasz: you'll find no better system supporting vserver than t2 ... btww
12:30 < morfoh> karasz: but I have to admit that my first vserver system was on debian too
12:31 < morfoh> karasz: but it wasn't that nice to get it stable for production use
12:48 < rxr> re
12:49 < morfoh> wb rxr
12:51 < karasz> wb rxr
13:05 < owl> hi rxr
13:11 < CIA-8> rene * r14815 /trunk/package/x11/ (8 files in 2 dirs): * renamed vnc-tight to tightvnc, the tarball and IMHO more intuitive name
13:16 < morfoh> rxr: openwrt2 or wrt2 ?
13:17 < morfoh> I'd like to use wrt2 to avoid the name openwrt, which could be a bit misleading
13:18 < rxr> what is wrt standing for ?
13:18 < morfoh> rxr: I guess Wireless Router
13:21 < CIA-8> rene * r14816 /trunk/package/x11/vnc/ (6 files):
13:21 < CIA-8> * added an option to allow disabling the overly fat server build of
13:21 < CIA-8> vnc, regenerated copyright
13:21 < morfoh> rxr: and wrt2 is a nice t2 dedicated wordplay ;)
13:22 < CIA-8> rene * r14817 /trunk/target/archivista/ (config.in pkgsel):
13:22 < CIA-8> * added vnc to the archivista target and let it just build the viewer
13:22 < CIA-8> components
13:23 < morfoh> # cat target/wrt2/preconfig.in
13:23 < morfoh> CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST="$CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST wrt2 Linksys_WRT54G_Wireless_Router_(experimental!)"
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13:23 < morfoh> rxr: ^ my proposal
13:23 < rxr> morfoh: nah - please do not inject Linksys
13:23 < morfoh> ok
13:24 < rxr> we want them neither get upset about wrt2 and also throw it onto other hardware
13:24 < rxr> as well as sell it to companies ...
13:24 < morfoh> CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST="$CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST wrt2 Wireless_Router_(experimental!)"
13:25 < rxr> yep
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13:25 < morfoh> rxr: btw, and what about SEGA ? :p
13:25 < misl> grummel
13:26 < morfoh> rxr: anyway ... the wrt2 should be adapted on more hardware that the wrt54g
13:26 < morfoh> hi "grummeling" misl
13:26 < misl> hi morfoh
13:26 < misl> :)
13:26 < morfoh> misl: out of fuel ... or what ?
13:27 < misl> No, just firefox crashing on me :(
13:27 < morfoh> misl: or broken warhead ?
13:27 < rxr> morfoh: SEGA ?
13:27 < morfoh> yeah ... the dreamcast target
13:27 < rxr> morfoh: you mean sueing ?
13:28 < morfoh> rxr: ?
13:28 < rxr> 13:25 < morfoh> rxr: btw, and what about SEGA ? :p
13:28 < karasz> hi minto
13:28 < rxr> just try to find out what you wanted to ask me ..
13:28 < morfoh> rxr: I just mean ... if we want to avoid company names
13:28 < rxr> morfoh: avoid company names in generic targets ...
13:29 < rxr> when one thing is just dreamcast support so it is ...
13:29 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... :)
13:29 < morfoh> rxr: I've no problem with that ... just wanted to know
13:29 < morfoh> ;)
13:32 < rxr> anyone with a 2.1 ref build handy ?
13:33 < morfoh> rxr: unf. not more ... have rescheduled mine last night due to some problems
13:33 < misl> hi karasz, rxr
13:34 < misl> rxr: I can schedule one on noisy
13:34 < misl> crossbuilding dietlibc on 2.1 still fails.
13:35 < rxr> misl: well, I need to hand you a new ssh key and ceck that then I guess
13:35 < rxr> I wait for mnemoc for a 5-tightvnc log then ...
13:35 < rxr> if 2.1 has the package at all
13:36 < misl> rxr: ack, lemme have it :)
13:38 < misl> is a ref build just a generic?
13:38 < rxr> yes, mostly
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13:43 < CIA-8> chris * r14818 /trunk/target/wrt2/ (23 files in 8 dirs):
13:43 < CIA-8> * added wrt2 - "Wireless Router" target
13:43 < CIA-8> * Note: Most stuff is ripped out of the embedded target and I just tweaked the
13:43 < CIA-8> package selection a little bit for our first version! But beware, it's highly
13:43 < CIA-8> experimental atm.! Lots of things still have to be done! So don't expect
13:43 < CIA-8> wonders! Many thanks to Rene who mostly did the work on the embedded target ;)
13:45 < morfoh> rxr_: so there it is ... but due to some changes on trunk 1-uclibc doesn't build anymore
13:45 < morfoh> rxr_: at least while trying to cross-compile it fr mipsel
13:46 < morfoh> strip -x -R .note -R .comment mips/resolve.o
13:46 < morfoh> strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file mips/resolve.o
13:46 < morfoh> make[2]: *** [mips/resolve.o] Error 1
13:48 < misl> hmm, downloading mozilla failed:
13:48 < misl> cksum-test (bzip2): download/mirror/m/mozilla-1.7.11-source.tar.bz2
13:48 < misl> bunzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly;
13:48 < misl> perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows.
13:48 < misl> bunzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device
13:48 < misl> Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
13:48 < misl> It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
13:48 < misl> You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files.
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13:49 < misl> ref64 build started :)
13:50 < morfoh> go go go ... noisy :)
13:50 < misl> :)
13:56 < rxr_> re
13:56 -!- You're now known as rxr
13:56 < rxr> morfoh: hm
13:56 < morfoh> rxr_: guess I forgot to check cross-compile while building mipsel on a x86 ...
13:57 < morfoh> rxr: but I started a fresh one
13:57 < morfoh> let's see
13:57 < rxr> morfoh: any reason for uclibc ?
13:57 < morfoh> size
13:58 < morfoh> rxr: due to static linking while using dietlibc it becomes a bit bigger
13:58 < morfoh> than using dynamic linking with uclibc
13:59 < rxr> ic
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: but ... you know ... I'd like to avoid uclibc too
13:59 < rxr> so uclibc until we wrote .so support for mips and dietlibc
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps we should make a tradeoff
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: yes
14:00 < morfoh> rxr: on the other hand we'll get i.e. quagga support on it with uclibc
14:00 < rxr> quagga ?
14:00 < morfoh> and many interesting things more
14:00 < morfoh> rxr: it can be optional
14:01 < morfoh> rxr: having bgp and ospf support on a wireless AP is quite nice ;)
14:01 < rxr> ok
14:01 < mtr> re
14:02 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... mostly for WLAN networks with more than 1 AP
14:03 < morfoh> now ... 0-gcc fails
14:05 < mnemoc> ??
14:05 < mnemoc> what did a break?
14:05 < morfoh> [14:44:25] * added wrt2 - "Wireless Router" target <-- trying to cross-compile it on trunk
14:06 < morfoh> for mipsel
14:06 < mnemoc> :)
14:06 < morfoh> In file included from ../../gcc/unwind-dw2.c:257:
14:06 < morfoh> ../../gcc/config/mips/linux-unwind.h: In function 'mips_fallback_frame_state':
14:06 < morfoh> ../../gcc/config/mips/linux-unwind.h:99: error: 'struct sigcontext' has no member named 'sc_regs'
14:06 < morfoh> ../../gcc/config/mips/linux-unwind.h:103: error: 'struct sigcontext' has no member named 'sc_pc'
14:06 < morfoh> make[2]: *** [libgcc/./unwind-dw2.o] Error 1
14:06 < morfoh> so ... I have to take a shower ... getting a visitor in 1h
14:07 < morfoh> cu later folks
14:07 < misl> cu morfoh
14:07 < morfoh> ah! I forgot to say hello to mtr ! :)
14:08 < karasz> moin mnemoc
14:09 < mnemoc> moin misl, karasz :)
14:09 < mnemoc> moin rxr :)
14:09 < mtr> hi morfoh :) moin mnemoc karasz misl rxr :)
14:09 < mnemoc> mi mtr
14:10 < misl> o_O lots of hi's and hello's
14:11 < misl> hi and hello back to all :)
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14:21 < mnemoc> rxr: can you tarball 2.1.1.1 and upload to release place?
14:29 < rxr> damned imake hackery
14:29 < rxr> now that took long to track down ...
14:29 < rxr> legacy crap junk fluff ..
14:29 < rxr> pah
14:29 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - sure
14:29 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks :)
14:30 < rxr> moin btw.
14:30 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:31 * rxr wonders why jsaw did cf/cf.conf that complex ...
14:33 < mnemoc> cat <<-EOT > $root$libdir/X11/config/host.def ?
14:34 < rxr> yeah ...
14:34 < rxr> well - I leave that for wo ...
14:34 < rxr> now
14:34 < mnemoc> that reminds me the original ooo.conf :p
14:35 < rxr> hehe
14:35 < rxr> or all the custmain packaged we freed from ROCK ,-)
14:35 < mnemoc> :)
14:35 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. should we spit out a red warning for custmain packages ?
14:36 < rxr> Lagacy to be removed, please convet ...
14:36 < mnemoc> ok
14:36 < rxr> heh - soon the sanit checks consume more cpu cycles than the package builds ...
14:37 * rxr wonders when the build system starts to speak to use ...
14:37 < rxr> no, that line is not that good, I propose ...
14:37 < rxr> maybe you better get a coffe at this time of the day while I auto-fix it for you?
14:38 < mnemoc> if [ "$custmain" ]; then echo_big_fu__ing_warning "no custmain; doesn't affect non-curtmain builds
14:39 < mnemoc> systanx error :p
14:40 < rxr> some burned cpu cycles on any package
14:40 < rxr> especially since bash is that inefficient ...
14:41 < rxr> but yes, I'll add it
14:41 < rxr> it was just a general thought
14:41 < mnemoc> a first step before rewritting t2 core should be to convert all helpers to binaries
14:41 < rxr> e.g. when I build on the UltraSPARC I always think, damn this got slow ...
14:46 < demian> hi
14:52 < mnemoc> wb demiatan
14:55 < morfoh> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ...
14:55 < morfoh> 9.3M /voldata/src/trunk/build/wrt2-2.2.0-alpha-x86-i486-cross-wrt2/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs
14:55 < morfoh> 3.4M /voldata/src/trunk/build/wrt2-2.2.0-alpha-x86-i486-cross-wrt2/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs.squashfs
14:55 < morfoh> The image is located at /voldata/src/trunk/build/wrt2-2.2.0-alpha-x86-i486-cross-wrt2/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs.squasfs.
14:55 < demian> demiatan. sounds cool.
14:55 < morfoh> but embutils and bcron fail with uclibc
14:56 < morfoh> hi demian
14:56 < mnemoc> demian: :)
14:56 < morfoh> mnemonkey sounds even better :p
14:56 < demian> demian/deviatan/jonathan
14:57 < mnemoc> are you named jonathan?
14:59 < rxr> aaaaaargh
14:59 < mnemoc> ?
15:00 < rxr> more time wasted due the crappiest build fluff in tightvnc ever ..
15:00 < demian> yes.
15:00 < demian> 2,0G download/ ... and not finished yet.
15:00 < mnemoc> demian: i was thinking in demian (from the exorsist) + leviathan (the biblical sea monster)
15:01 < mnemoc> demian: -all takes 3.3G
15:01 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Leviathan.jpg
15:02 < demian> umm. isee.
15:03 < mnemoc> but jonathan also fits :)
15:03 < mnemoc> where your 'demian' comes from?
15:04 < demian> dunt remember. i start using it since school.
15:04 < demian> i think i listened somewhere and then i liked it.
15:05 < demian> ppl used to ask me about a Herman Hesse's book named Demian.
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15:05 < demian> others say demian is related to satan and things like that
15:05 < demian> and others associate it with the exorcist.
15:05 < demian> there is nothing in my 'demian' related to that.
15:05 < mnemoc> :)
15:06 < demian> nemoc ? the captain ?
15:06 < mnemoc> mnemosyne + enoch
15:07 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
15:08 < morfoh> hola ... captain nemoc :)
15:09 < demian> The Titan goddess of memory and the inventor of words, daughter of Uranus and Gaea.
15:09 < demian> She is one of the three elder Muses.
15:09 < demian> Mnemosyne
15:10 < mnemoc> yep, and the name of my core target
15:10 < demian> slept with Zeus nine consecutive nights and gave birth to nine daughters: The Muses
15:10 < demian> that was cool.
15:10 < mnemoc> Zeus is also father of every sea monster
15:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: Zeus ? not Poseidon ?
15:12 < mnemoc> err
15:12 < mnemoc> sorry
15:12 < mnemoc> confused
15:12 < mnemoc> thinking in a different thing
15:12 < mnemoc> Enoch is also cool, founder of the first city, decendent of kain. the watchers (fallen angels) asked him intercede on their behalf with God
15:12 < morfoh> The Titan goddess of memory and the inventor of words ... <-- seems the inventor has leaking memory and alzheimer :p
15:13 < mnemoc> hehe
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15:14 < mnemoc> the watchers were demons but demons which teach humans the arts, the writting, etc..
15:14 < demian> The Book Of Urantia
15:14 < mnemoc> azazel, my favourite (and my desktop target), teach humans about building wepons, make up and the arts of seduction
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15:15 * mnemoc have never heard about 'urantia' before
15:16 < mnemoc> i prefer 'classic/arcane' mythology
15:17 < mnemoc> not neo-paganism and other 'modern' mythologies
15:17 * misl like modern/arcade :D
15:17 < demian> i dunt like anyone.
15:17 < mnemoc> :D
15:19 < demian> but i like half-age movies of war (edad media) :p
15:20 < mnemoc> middle age
15:21 < rxr> I had a reconnect time ago when I wanted to paste this gento high-fidelity code:
15:21 < rxr> if ! use server; then
15:21 < rxr> rm -f ${D}/usr/bin/vncserver
15:21 < mnemoc> that's how they 'filter' installations?
15:22 < misl> Uhhm :(
15:23 < misl> 2.1 reference build failed :(
15:23 < rxr> mnemoc: yep
15:23 < rxr> mnemoc: USE flags rulez the gentoo world ...
15:23 < karasz> gotago
15:23 < demian> jeje
15:23 < misl> == 01/14/06 15:51:04 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux26.
15:23 < karasz> cu on monday
15:23 < karasz> :(
15:23 < mnemoc> cu karasz
15:23 < misl> cu karasz
15:23 < karasz> no story of the day today, sorry rxr
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15:26 < misl> linux26 fails on:
15:26 < misl> os-interface.c:1262: error: structure has no member named `rlim'
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15:29 < sepp> moin
15:29 < misl> hi sepp
15:29 < demian> hi sepp
15:30 < sepp> hi all :)
15:30 < morfoh> oh! wb hans-peter ! my old nudossi-master! :)
15:30 < sepp> lol
15:30 < sepp> Error logs from foo-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-xp-generic: 699 builds total, 699 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:31 < sepp> :)
15:31 < morfoh> sepp: :)
15:32 < sepp> misl: is that a nvidia error?
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15:32 < misl> sepp: might be
15:32 < misl> guess it is related to nvidia on x86-64 then
15:35 < demian> xorgcfg doesnt work in my pc.
15:36 < demian> the nvidia driver was built in two different places, so there are repeated symbols when trying to load nvidia module by xorgcfg.
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15:44 < rxr> I hate legacy imake ...
15:44 < rxr> really
15:46 < demian> mnemoc: how do i say: "estas despedido!" en ingles ?
15:48 < mnemoc> you are fired
15:48 < mnemoc> are you?
15:51 < demian> no. i heard that expression at tv. wanted to know how to write it..
15:52 < mnemoc> :)
15:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems that demian is preparing himself for a life as boss after he finished school :)
15:54 < mnemoc> :)
15:54 < mnemoc> now he is training the speech
15:54 < demian> i am actually boss.
15:54 < morfoh> demian: boss of what ?
15:54 < mnemoc> afaik you don't even control your penis
15:55 < demian> not a potential boss, but i manage a project here.
15:55 < demian> development chief.
15:55 < morfoh> demian: cool :)
15:55 < demian> my first managed project :)
15:55 < morfoh> demian: what do you develop ?
15:55 < mnemoc> mono?
15:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: arrrgg ... ouch ! :)
15:56 < demian> no. i would like to code in mono, but we do winforms stuff so for that we still use winforms .net 2.0 from MS.
15:56 < demian> i will finish school within 4 yrs or more..
15:56 < mnemoc> there is a library to do win forms on mono
15:57 < demian> i know.. too incomplete.. ive used it.
15:57 < demian> the better alternative is to use gtk-sharp. but i hate gtk.
15:57 < morfoh> demian: 4 years ? how old do you are ?
15:57 < mnemoc> qt# ? :)
15:57 < mnemoc> 18+4?
15:58 < demian> 22.
15:58 < mnemoc> sum test approved :)
15:58 < morfoh> demian: so school = university ?
15:58 < demian> anyways most of UI will run on windows. UI stuff is better using MS winforms :)
15:58 < demian> yes.
15:58 < morfoh> demian: ah! ic :)
15:59 < demian> what u do ?
16:00 * rxr praying tightvnc crap finally builds ...
16:00 < morfoh> demian: I was fired ... jobless since 1st. january ...
16:02 < morfoh> demian: but preparing to become my own boss again ... had my own firm nearly 9 years or so
16:02 < morfoh> demian: started my own small company when I was 18
16:03 < demian> so. what happened 9 years ago ?
16:05 < demian> what happened.
16:08 < morfoh> demian: I was "screwed" by a big customer and I had stop my own business
16:12 < demian> ic.
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16:49 < CIA-8> rene * r14819 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/vnc-enable.sh: * fixed vnc-enable to shield x11vnc from SIGHUP
16:50 < rxr> damn, busy support saturday ...
16:50 < rxr> valentin: osx comes along ?
17:05 < rxr> hah
17:05 < rxr> Next version of initng will have cron support, the ability for init to execute code on timely basis.
17:05 < rxr> ^- and why I never will run code from gentoo folks ...
17:06 < rxr> wonder anyway why they implemented yet anothr runit / minit a-like
17:08 < mnemoc> because they don't even took the time to investigate what is really available
17:09 < rxr> hm - or is the author on debian ...
17:09 < rxr> anyway suck ..
17:09 < rxr> s
17:09 < mnemoc> bcron is great
17:09 < mnemoc> perfect separation, light, secure, managed by a unix socket
17:11 < rxr> compiled with just helpers ..
17:11 < rxr> and installed by a static C fluff ...
17:11 < rxr> a - no bcron had this bginstall thing ...
17:11 < rxr> anyway this build style is nearly as ugly as imake ...
17:14 * mnemoc wonder if defining bash functions with the names of the executables (bginstall) overwrite them inside make
17:14 < rxr> hm
17:15 < rxr> wonders if rm -rf Makefile and throwing he files into exact-build would be less work
17:15 < mnemoc> :)
17:16 < mnemoc> i was looking for some way less intrusive :)
17:18 < rxr> we could define a helper overwriting this junk with more useful code
17:19 < rxr> but the compile and run configure a-like feature test is not cross friendly
17:19 < mnemoc> conf-* ?
17:20 < mnemoc> conf-* is one of the reasons i want to split build_this_package into hooks
17:20 < rxr> yeh - let's finish wat we are at first
17:21 < mnemoc> sure
17:21 < rxr> lets get gradual releases out ..
17:21 < mnemoc> ppc and x86_64 isos for 2.1.1(.1) somewhere?
17:22 < rxr> ppc not because gcc 3.4 fails on gcc-4 system
17:22 < rxr> x86-64 not yet rebuild
17:23 < rxr> i'm kinda busy here
17:23 < mnemoc> ok, no problem
17:23 < mnemoc> but i'll push you harder for 2.1.2 :)
17:24 < rxr> yep
17:24 < rxr> I definetly need to find out what is failing
17:24 < rxr> hm - maybe it is ccache?
17:25 < LMJ> evening
17:25 < mnemoc> hi LMJ
17:25 < LMJ> how are you guys ?
17:25 < mnemoc> LMJ: i missed your patches on the list
17:25 < rxr> nope off
17:25 < rxr> i also remeber it happened on manual build as wel
17:25 < LMJ> mnemoc : hehe
17:26 < rxr> hi LMJ
17:26 < LMJ> any advice for the choice of a LaTeX editor ?
17:26 < rxr> something is up with fefe - somehow nearly vanished
17:27 < mnemoc> LMJ: vim?
17:27 < LMJ> no vim here ;)
17:27 < mnemoc> nvi? :)
17:28 < LMJ> still allergic ;)
17:29 < mnemoc> gtk? gnome? kde?
17:29 < rxr> mnemoc: how do we check if some javac is avail ?
17:29 < rxr> JAVA_HOME ?
17:29 < mnemoc> yep
17:30 < rxr> if "" then no java fluff ?
17:30 < mnemoc> which is set by java-dirtree/parse-config
17:30 < mnemoc> ack
17:30 < LMJ> gtk at most ;)
17:31 < mnemoc> LMJ: try amyedit
17:31 < LMJ> ok
17:31 < LMJ> thanks
17:32 < mnemoc> np ,-)
17:32 < mnemoc> but i'm waiting for your patches
17:33 < rxr> hopefully tightvnc goes thru now ...
17:33 < LMJ> about the new emelfm2 version ?
17:33 < rxr> crap ...
17:34 < LMJ> hunn mnemoc , about the update of emelfm2 ?
17:34 < mnemoc> LMJ: send a plain text .diff from t2-root with updated [U]
17:34 < LMJ> ok
17:35 < LMJ> how to make that mnemoc
17:35 < mnemoc> svn diff
17:36 < mnemoc> svn diff package/*/emelfm2 > emelfm2.diff
17:38 < LMJ> svn: 'package/serwou/emelfm2' is not a working copy
17:38 < LMJ> what does it means, i only used svn to download files from t2-project websiteeeeee
17:38 < mnemoc> first, serwou is not a valid repository :)
17:38 < LMJ> sorry
17:38 < rxr> == 01/14/06 18:38:31 =[9]=> Finished building package tightvnc.
17:38 < rxr> puh
17:38 < rxr> that took long
17:38 < mnemoc> use 'contrib' if no other fits
17:39 < rxr> huh
17:39 < rxr> vnc and tightvnc install the same files
17:39 < mnemoc> shares?
17:39 < rxr> the one jsut in usr/X11 the other in usr ...
17:39 < mnemoc> LMJ: you need to svn add before svn diff
17:39 < mnemoc> :)
17:39 < rxr> what distro are we? debian ....
17:39 < mnemoc> mandrake :)
17:41 < rxr> mandriva ...
17:41 < mnemoc> :)
17:42 < CIA-8> rene * r14820 /trunk/package/x11/tightvnc/ (tightvnc.conf tightvnc.desc x86_64-ppc64.patch.unixsrc):
17:42 < CIA-8> * fixed tightvnc for x86-64 and powerpc64 (only x86-64 tested) and
17:42 < CIA-8> to only build the java fluff when java is available
17:44 < LMJ> mnemoc : serwou mode n00biiiiiiii "svn add" something missing isn't it
17:44 < LMJ> come one
17:44 < mnemoc> LMJ: are you working over a `svn co` ?
17:44 < rxr> Baldzius: Snd 7.18
17:45 < mnemoc> echo Snd 7.18 >> /proc/baldzius/queue
17:45 < Baldzius> what's the Snd? :)
17:45 < LMJ> yes, but a little modified, i updated some packages from the 2.1 stable tree
17:47 < mnemoc> no problem
17:47 < mnemoc> svn add foo/bar/poink
17:47 < mnemoc> but not's use 'serwou' repository for stuff you want on mainline
17:48 < rxr> Baldzius: sound editor
17:48 < mnemoc> select one of the official repositories
17:48 < LMJ> i moved emelfm2 to contrib
17:50 < Baldzius> rxr: i can't find it
17:51 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/snd.html
17:51 < mnemoc> oops
17:51 < mnemoc> wrong alias
17:51 < Baldzius> :)
17:51 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/projects/snd/
17:52 < rxr> maybe we don't have it
17:52 < mnemoc> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/
17:52 < mnemoc> looks like motif
17:53 < rxr> yep
17:53 < rxr> maybe we just don't want it
17:54 < mnemoc> it's scriptable :)
17:54 < mnemoc> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/grfsnd.html#sndwithnogui
17:55 < rxr> I remeber I tried it 4y ago
17:55 < rxr> it sucked
17:55 < rxr> no urgent need to get it into t2, but if someone wants to fight it ...
17:57 < misl> Are there any package that need to go into t2 _urgently_?
17:58 < rxr> we have all important ones, yes
18:01 < misl> I have a few packages pending :) mostly from http://xml.apache.org
18:01 < misl> downloading works, now all I need to do is get them to build :)
18:01 < rxr> misl: when you have 10 and hury you might get package #2100
18:01 < misl> I have 17 :D
18:02 < rxr> package# l */*/*.desc | wc -l
18:02 < rxr> 2190
18:02 < rxr> #2200 I meant ...
18:02 < misl> But is the java world are loads of packages that are good candidates for inclusion :)
18:03 < rxr> valentin: may I assume your os suX post 16:00 already turned post 19:00 ?
18:03 < rxr> misl: #3000 soon then ?
18:03 < misl> Only If I have enough time :(
18:04 < misl> all apache related packages are already 100+ (I guess)
18:05 < rxr> apache os - booting, please wait ? .-)
18:06 < rxr> svn up:
18:06 < rxr> 2192
18:06 < rxr> 8 to go
18:07 < misl> http://java-source.net/ also has loads of OS stuff
18:08 * mnemoc want to change reiser4progs to magicly patch linux26, linux26mm and grub
18:10 < rxr> mnemoc: please do not patch reiser4 into grub - it is evil
18:10 < rxr> also linux26mm has reiserfs
18:10 < rxr> reiser4
18:11 < rxr> please do not introduce the mess, people wanting reiser4 can use linux26mm till it hits linux26
18:11 < mnemoc> ok
18:11 < rxr> we already do enough on the kernels - I consider such big patchery evil
18:11 < rxr> == 19:11:20 =[9]=> Building base/linux26mm [2.6.15-mm4 2.2.0-alpha].
18:12 < rxr> still also need to debug kernel firmware loading hickups ...
18:15 < misl> O_O Uhhh, linux24 complains on a 2.1 64 bits ref build (no cross)
18:15 < misl> km.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
18:20 < rxr> hm
18:21 < rxr> strange
18:21 < rxr> maybe deselect linux2* until we take a look
18:21 < rxr> they are not the most interesting packages in a ref build anyway
18:23 < misl> build continues :)
18:29 < rxr> http://www.maedastudio.com/2005/xmas/
18:30 < mnemoc> rxr: http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/ ?
18:30 < rxr> mnemoc: yadda ?
18:30 < rxr> running
18:35 < rxr> http://weblogs.media.mit.edu/SIMPLICITY/archives/000113.html#
18:37 < mnemoc> good article
18:38 < rxr> if IIRC I have to do a talk about this John Maeda in some days ...
18:38 < rxr> tarball is there
18:39 < rxr> tarballs
18:39 < rxr> 2.1.1 was not moved there
18:40 < mnemoc> thanks
18:42 < rxr> maybe I should mail Maeda if he has some minute to come up with a simply t2 design ...
18:42 < rxr> "John Maeda is a world-renowned graphic "
18:42 < rxr> designer, visual artist, and computer scientist
18:42 < rxr> at the MIT Media Lab, and is a founding voice
18:42 < rxr> for ?simplicity? in the digital age.
18:42 < rxr> ,-)
18:42 * rxr dinne
18:45 < mnemoc> :)
18:55 < morfoh> bbl folks :)
18:55 < mnemoc> anyone here?
18:55 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/LhKTns74.html <--- i need comments about the text of the announcement
18:57 < mnemoc> i forgot to mention the isos...
18:59 < mnemoc> "ISO files of t2-desktop and t2-minimal for p4 and pentium-mmx can be found at http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.1.1/
18:59 < mnemoc> "
18:59 < mnemoc> added
19:17 < LMJ> helluu back
19:19 < mnemoc> wb LMJ
19:19 < mnemoc> LMJ: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/M4suir64.html
19:20 < LMJ> cool
19:20 < LMJ> a little update made with love
19:20 < mnemoc> comments?
19:20 < LMJ> who decided to make a 2.1.1 ? what was steps ?
19:21 < mnemoc> me me me
19:21 < LMJ> nothing about linux26 ?
19:21 < mnemoc> nope
19:21 < mnemoc> probably frozen
19:21 < LMJ> until 2.2 with udev ?
19:21 < mnemoc> yep
19:22 < LMJ> gonna try it
19:22 < mnemoc> 2.1 will always be devfs
19:22 < mnemoc> 2.2 wont know about devfs
19:22 < LMJ> that's a big split
19:22 < mnemoc> what do you think about the text?
19:23 < LMJ> 2.1.1.1 fixes and updates samba present in 2.1.1,
19:24 < mnemoc> brb
19:24 < LMJ> you've jus done 2.1.1.1 or 2.1.1 ?
19:24 < LMJ> i'm getting confused
19:24 < LMJ> except that, the txt is ok for me
19:24 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 had an stupid bug also present at 2.1.0
19:24 < mnemoc> 2.1.1.1 fix that bug, and also updates samba to .21a
19:24 < mnemoc> brb
19:25 < LMJ> ok
19:25 < LMJ> maybe you should talk about the roadmap, and tell it's the last (?) stable release before 2.2 or so
19:29 < mnemoc> it's not the last 2.1 release before 2.2
19:29 < mnemoc> 2.1 will coexist with 2.2 for a while
19:29 < mnemoc> but yes, i may talk about that
19:30 < LMJ> yes, tell more about that
19:30 < LMJ> btw
19:30 < LMJ> i spoke already with sepp about it
19:30 < mnemoc> tell me more :)
19:31 < LMJ> when 2.2 will be stable, is it better to install a fresh t2 2.2 or try to upgrade from 2.1 will be possible ?
19:31 < LMJ> especially about udev
19:31 < mnemoc> fresh 2.2
19:31 < mnemoc> [16:24:00] that's a big split
19:31 < LMJ> ok
19:31 < LMJ> hehe
19:31 < mnemoc> that's why 2.1 wont die
19:31 < LMJ> indeed
19:31 < LMJ> but stick on 2.6.11.10 :-/
19:31 < mnemoc> devfs
19:32 < LMJ> yep
19:32 < mnemoc> also stick at gcc 3.4, and openssl 0.97, etc...
19:33 < mnemoc> API/ABI/config/prefix stability is very important when you update a machine
19:33 < LMJ> you planned 2.2 ?
19:33 < LMJ> i mean
19:33 < LMJ> did you planned a date ?
19:34 < mnemoc> 2.2-rc1 is scheduled for january'2006
19:34 < mnemoc> afaik
19:34 < LMJ> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg myconfig will do the update to 2.1.1.1 ?
19:34 < mnemoc> but rene has been very busy these days
19:34 < LMJ> so, it will come soon
19:34 < mnemoc> LMJ: depends
19:35 < mnemoc> branches/2.1 -> '2.1-stable' for ever
19:35 < LMJ> i'm in the 2.1.1.1 tree now, and i copied my config
19:35 < LMJ> i see
19:35 < mnemoc> tags/2.1.1.1 -> '2.1.1.1' for ever, reflected on a tarball at dl.exactcode.de/t2
19:36 < LMJ> yep
19:36 < mnemoc> to jump between _releases_ using svn you checkout a tag, and later svn switch to the next tag
19:36 < LMJ> maybe i should learn those basic rules ;)
19:37 < owl> re
19:38 < mnemoc> wb owlinette
19:38 < LMJ> lol
19:38 < owl> hi mnemoc
19:39 < LMJ> and when you will need it, i will be there to make a french translation of t2 docs :-D
19:39 < mnemoc> LMJ: is it written correctly?
19:39 < LMJ> yep
19:40 < mnemoc> LMJ: i hope we get the linguaplone running soon (morfoh has been a bit lazy) which multilingual documentation and news
19:40 < LMJ> so, plone has been choosen
19:41 < LMJ> i will be glad to be the french translator, that's the only thing i can really help on linux for the moment ;)
19:41 < mnemoc> :)
19:41 < mnemoc> and the patches you haven't sent
19:41 < LMJ> no patch, just crap .desc time to times
19:41 < LMJ> dude
19:41 < LMJ> i don't understand A WORD of what i have to do
19:41 < LMJ> shame on me
19:41 < LMJ> lol
19:42 < LMJ> you should not be afk ?
19:42 < LMJ> tell me when you will be back, i will drive you nuts in private messages ;)
19:42 < mnemoc> o.o
19:43 < LMJ> poor mnemoc
19:47 < misl> mnemoc: maybe he will finally send you the nude pictures you long for (in these private messages) ;)
19:48 < LMJ> lmao
19:48 < LMJ> no please
19:48 < LMJ> i'm trying to stop
19:48 < misl> lmao?
19:48 < LMJ> man lmao lmao --help ;)
19:48 < LMJ> Internet Abbreviation : "Laughting My Ass Off"
19:48 < misl> ahh :)
19:49 < mnemoc> o_O
19:49 < rxr> re
19:50 < mnemoc> wb rxr
19:50 < LMJ> can i say i hate CUPS and i think it's a huge crap ?
19:55 < owl> yes. why?
19:55 < LMJ> personnal problems
19:55 < LMJ> kind of allergy
19:59 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uvMivy65.html
19:59 < mnemoc> LMJ: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uvMivy65.html
20:00 < LMJ> i think it's good
20:00 < LMJ> clean informations
20:01 < mnemoc> LMJ: you can say it because it's true
20:01 < sepp> whats "lychee punch"?
20:02 < sepp> does it mean something special?
20:02 < mnemoc> a drink valentin took at new year :)
20:02 < LMJ> so it's not only a personal problem with cups, kind of mistical recursive problem with CUPS
20:02 < LMJ> lol
20:02 < sepp> ahh, made out of lychee?
20:03 < mnemoc> i guess
20:03 < sepp> hmm, that must be a pain to make
20:03 < mnemoc> like maintaining t2 :D
20:05 < LMJ> i vote to drink the lychee punch, not t2 drink
20:05 < mnemoc> rxr! i need your comments about the announce message
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20:08 < LMJ> trying to update ;)
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20:12 < mnemoc> misl: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uvMivy65.html
20:12 < mnemoc> i want f* feedback!
20:13 < LMJ> come one guys ;)
20:13 < misl> no need to get rude ;)
20:14 < misl> maybe: we proudly present
20:17 < mnemoc> :D
20:17 < mnemoc> are we proud?
20:17 < misl> T2 proudly presents their second stable release (2.1.1) of the 2.1 branch, named "lychee punch". This maintainance release includes fixes, improvements and updates. Most notable are:
20:18 < mnemoc> changes done
20:18 < mnemoc> anything else?
20:19 < mnemoc> valentin: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uvMivy65.html <--- something to add,remove,change?
20:19 < LMJ> how to update with the 2.1.1.1 tree ? "./scripts/Download -cfg myconfig -required" download anything just like to make a fresh t2, even things who are in the same version
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20:19 < misl> uhh, already changed? No discussion.
20:20 < mnemoc> LMJ: Emerge-Pkg may be smart enough
20:20 < mnemoc> LMJ: be sure you use a good config for emerge
20:20 < LMJ> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg myconfig ?
20:21 < mnemoc> -dry-run -system
20:21 < LMJ> okkk
20:21 < LMJ> let me tryyyy
20:22 < mnemoc> misl: if noone else say anything and i want to send the announcement i have to take what i get
20:23 < misl> mnemoc: gimme some more time. I am working on it :)
20:23 < mnemoc> i also added a link to the roadmap
20:23 < mnemoc> you have 35m :)
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20:26 < CIA-8> aldas * r14821 /trunk/package/www/elinks/ (elinks.desc elinks.patch):
20:26 < CIA-8> * adapted elinks/elinks.patch for new version
20:26 < CIA-8> * updated copyrights
20:33 < misl> mnemoc: what does monolitical refer too?
20:34 < misl> kernel?
20:34 < LMJ> i think so
20:34 < mnemoc> yes
20:34 < mnemoc> and xorg
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20:35 < mnemoc> nzg: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/SUgplI90.html
20:36 < misl> mnemoc: what did you change?
20:36 < mnemoc> what you said + roadmap
20:36 < misl> I am rewriting it a bit :D
20:37 < nzg> moin
20:37 < nzg> mnemoc: nice ;-)
20:37 < mnemoc> nzg: comments?
20:38 < nzg> "while, id est you will see" id est?
20:38 < mnemoc> i.e.
20:39 < nzg> "safe updates" should be called "security updates" imo
20:39 < mnemoc> no no
20:39 < mnemoc> not just security
20:39 < mnemoc> they are updates that wont break your running amchine
20:39 < mnemoc> id est = that is
20:40 < LMJ> checking sylpheed ... New version (2.0.1 -> 1.0.4). Added. How to avoid that ?
20:40 < nzg> hm, then security updates should be mentioned too
20:41 < nzg> they make a good PR-Buzzword
20:41 < mnemoc> give us a sentence
20:42 < valentin> mnemoc: you should do an 79 char linewrap
20:42 < mnemoc> MUA does that
20:42 < LMJ> good idea valentin
20:42 < nzg> "including fixes, safe updates, security fixes and even...."
20:42 < mnemoc> misl: will you include that on your rewrite or i do on my copy?
20:43 < valentin> mnemoc: there is a between to much
20:43 < mnemoc> valentin: why '79' for an email?
20:43 < misl> I will include security fixes :)
20:43 < valentin> for reading it in apples safari browser
20:44 < mnemoc> valentin: it's wrapped to 72+
20:44 < mnemoc> here one of 75
20:44 < mnemoc> yes 75 it is
20:45 < misl> mnemoc: are there any important security fixes to be mentioned?
20:45 < mnemoc> mplayer and xpdf are security
20:47 < LMJ> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg myconfig -dry-run -system went ok , how launch the compilation update now ? ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg myconfig ?
20:48 < misl> sde or SDE?
20:48 < mnemoc> SDE
20:48 < mnemoc> LMJ: no idea, i have never done that
20:48 < LMJ> lol
20:48 < LMJ> you're killing me
20:49 < LMJ> who knows ?
20:51 < mnemoc> you will
20:52 < LMJ> for sure
20:53 < misl> uhh?
20:53 < misl> The recommended way to develop t2-powered distributions is using svn:HEAD.
20:53 < misl> this is no advertisement for 2.1
20:53 < mnemoc> 2.1:HEAD
20:53 < misl> ack
20:57 < misl> how about this?
20:57 < misl> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bPnLF761.html
20:57 < misl> I included a few line breaks
20:58 < misl> hmm, * sde should be * SDE
20:58 < mnemoc> The second branch, 2.2, is fully modular and based on u/dev and hotplug++
20:58 < mnemoc> yes
20:59 < misl> yes :)
20:59 < mnemoc> nobody like my 'id est' :(
21:00 < misl> mnemoc: your roadmap reference should still be included
21:00 < misl> mnemoc: No everybody understands latin :)
21:01 < misl> +t
21:03 < mnemoc> i like it, do you have a final text?
21:03 < mnemoc> anyone something else to comment? rxr ?
21:04 < rxr> re
21:04 < mnemoc> wb rxr :)
21:04 < misl> ahh, just in time
21:04 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bPnLF761.html
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21:09 < misl> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/b1hrMH57.html
21:09 < misl> with the mentioned improvements :)
21:09 < misl> SDE, hotplug++ and Roadmap
21:10 < mnemoc> btw, misl. you are bouncing
21:10 < misl> mailing list?
21:11 < mnemoc> yes
21:11 < mnemoc> where else?
21:11 < misl> the one at the police
21:11 < misl> I tried unsubscribing a few times already.
21:11 < misl> rxr: can you throw the second me from the ML?
21:12 < misl> last friday was my last day at work there
21:12 < misl> monday I will start on my next assignment :) in Amsterdam this time.
21:13 < mnemoc> noisy moved to summer house?
21:13 < misl> No mnemoc, I am sorry
21:14 < mnemoc> if you wont use it you should send it to berlin :)
21:14 < mnemoc> poor noisy will fall on a depression due to lack of load
21:15 < misl> I will use it, but I will only have a small window of opportunity left :(
21:15 < misl> I am still looking for a small cabinet that I can foam up, to kill the noise
21:17 < sepp> a fridge?
21:17 < misl> hehe
21:18 < misl> But I need to be able to take it apart, otherwise I can not move it up the attic
21:23 < mnemoc> misl: thunderbird doesn't like your wrapping
21:23 < mnemoc> T2 Branches
21:23 < mnemoc> ===========
21:23 < mnemoc> Currently T2 has two branches. 2.1 with both a monolitical xorg and kernel.
21:23 < mnemoc> This release is based on devfs as was inherited from ROCKLinux, the project
21:23 < mnemoc> T2 got forked from in july 2004. The second branch, 2.2, is fully modular
21:23 < mnemoc> err
21:24 < misl> Should I undo the wrapping?
21:24 < mnemoc> nah
21:24 < mnemoc> i'll change it to use what my thunderbird wants it to be
21:25 < mnemoc> or mail as HTML :p
21:31 < rxr> n8 all
21:32 < mnemoc> sent
21:32 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
21:32 < misl> sleep well rxr
21:33 < mnemoc> where is it?
21:33 < mnemoc> have anyone received it?
21:33 < misl> not me
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21:36 < mnemoc> arrived!
21:36 < misl> here too :)
21:40 < morfoh> bye bye :)
21:41 < mnemoc> bye morfoh
21:41 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
22:39 < misl> I am off too
22:39 < misl> sleep well all
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22:46 < LMJ> 2.1.1.1 is out, do you know that ? ;)
22:50 < mnemoc> really? woh.... /me going to fetch ISOs
22:51 * mnemoc just set http://freshmeat.net/redir/t2/38672/url_homepage/www.t2-project.org as his homepage
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23:34 < jsaw> a short "hello from stuttgart" (at my parent-in-law)
23:34 < jsaw> and good night all
23:34 < owl> gn8 jsaw
23:35 < jsaw> hey owl
23:35 < owl> hi jsaw ;)
23:35 < jsaw> thanks, gn8
23:35 < owl> gn8 ;)
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