T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-02

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--- Log opened Mon Jan 02 00:00:00 2006
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00:02 < jsaw> everything ok...
00:02 < rxr> strace ?
00:02 < jsaw> no
00:02 < menomc> rxr: uhm.... minimal+basic_desktop has xmms??
00:02 < jsaw> is strace in initramfs?
00:03 < jsaw> menomc: correct your nick :)
00:03 < jsaw> confuses me...
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00:03 < mnemoc> keepnick.pl does it for me ,-)
00:03 < mnemoc> we it can
00:03 < mnemoc> when*
00:04 < jsaw> mnemoc: ic
00:04 * mnemoc think his altnick is cool
00:04 < mnemoc> ${nick}_ are boring
00:04 < jsaw> confusing ppl is always fun...
00:04 < mnemoc> :)
00:04 < jsaw> rxr: I have no idea what happens there...
00:04 < jsaw> I
00:04 < rxr> hm
00:04 < jsaw> damn new kbd
00:05 < rxr> I have to sleep
00:05 < rxr> cu all
00:05 < jsaw> I'll try again tomorrow
00:05 < jsaw> g`night rxr
00:06 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
00:06 * jsaw thinks he switches altnick to wasj
00:06 < mnemoc> good luck tomorrow at uni
00:06 < mnemoc> was j. :)
00:06 * jsaw starts dreaming... university... good ol times :p
00:07 * mnemoc wonders if univeristy will be on his future
00:07 < CIA-9> rene * r14402 /trunk/package/ (base/recode/recode.desc textproc/libunicode/libunicode.desc):
00:07 < CIA-9> * marked recode and libunicode AUTOMAKE-QUIRK, needed for at least
00:07 < CIA-9> x86_64 due to autodated config.{sub,guess}
00:07 < jsaw> aha
00:07 < jsaw> rxr went to bed...
00:09 < rxr> hm - maybe we should always copy libtool and autojunk due to outdated files and mark those that shold not be updated ...
00:09 < mnemoc> i said that about a month ago :p
00:09 < mnemoc> but you said we want to save cycles
00:10 < rxr> yeah - let's see how many it will become
00:10 < rxr> at least this way we know what is outdated due to explicit tags
00:10 < rxr> formerly I had mostly no idea due to grep thru all packages files
00:10 < rxr> so - /me needs sleep
00:10 < rxr> cu
00:10 < jsaw> *g*
00:10 < mnemoc> :)
00:10 < mnemoc> cu rxr
00:11 < jsaw> .oO(so wtf is the problem with LIBTOOL=/usr/bin/libtool)
00:11 < jsaw> cu rxr, have fun at uni
00:11 < jsaw> and keep your eyes straight on the letters in your script ;)
00:12 < mnemoc> script?
00:12 < jsaw> lecture script (we use that term here, maybe it's not correct english)
00:13 < mnemoc> what is it about?
00:14 < jsaw> I don't know what lectures rxr takes...
00:15 < jsaw> but at least he shouldn't look at da other girlz
00:16 < jsaw> (men never do that, so, it was a superfluous recommendation...)
00:16 < mnemoc> i thought he had to write one :)
00:16 < mnemoc> :)
00:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: I hope he sooner or later writes one :)
00:16 < mnemoc> have you?
00:17 < jsaw> no. not yet.
00:17 < jsaw> I only did a course "physics for biologists"
00:17 < jsaw> nothing written, only teaching
00:18 < mnemoc> what are you doing now? working for your teacher?
00:18 < jsaw> no. I'll finish another publication, wait for one to come back from review, then fix that, publish my thesis, continue doing experiments...
00:19 < mnemoc> ic
00:19 < jsaw> in science it is like that: "publish or perish" ...
00:19 < jsaw> so I have to continue doing some good experiments... then publish
00:19 < mnemoc> but someone has to pay for your hours so your family can eat :9
00:19 < mnemoc> :)
00:20 < jsaw> two groups, one in america and one nearby are waiting for some prototypes of my microscope...
00:20 < jsaw> so a lot to do
00:20 < mnemoc> "prototypes of my microscope..." :o
00:21 < jsaw> I'll get a foundation the next three month, then my boss will employ me full time
00:22 < jsaw> I'll get a foundation the next three month, then my boss will employ me full time
00:22 < jsaw> ups
00:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes. A group in america might use it with oct for endoscopy
00:22 < mnemoc> employ you double full time :)
00:22 < jsaw> (OCT = optical coherence tomogaphy)
00:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe
00:23 < jsaw> in Max-Planck-Society you can spent millions for an experiment, because the ppl doing the experiments don't cost anything
00:23 < jsaw> :P
00:24 < jsaw> oh, I forgot, the admins are waiting for a talk on T2
00:24 < mnemoc> do they want to sponsor t2 too? :)
00:24 < jsaw> no. But maybe I can convince them to use it :)
00:25 < jsaw> And when we have one brick in the wall, we might get other institutes too
00:25 < mnemoc> :)
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00:51 < jsaw> o_O
00:52 < jsaw> hotplug++ in initramfs is dynamic ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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01:22 < jsaw> aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
01:23 < jsaw> hotplug++ in stage1 is dynamically linked.... and survices in the initrd created in linux26
01:23 < jsaw> rxr: --^
01:28 < jsaw> rxr: another thing that might be a problem: cpio doesn't allow overwriting, so adding init a second time may sooner or later lead to a problem (see output of "zcat TOOLCHAIN/isofs/boot/initrd*.img |cpio -i -v")
01:32 < mnemoc> uhm
01:33 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14403 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc:
01:33 < CIA-9> * sort hotplug++ before linux* to make sure the right hotplug++
01:33 < CIA-9> is included in the linux*'s initrd
01:33 < CIA-9> (review needed: hotplug++ is linked dynamically in stage 1)
01:37 < jsaw> hmmm....
01:37 < jsaw> now that I think about it, maybe this is an as-needed problem?
01:40 < jsaw> still, the stage5 hotplug++ should be included in the initrd, so the priority change should be ok
02:11 < jsaw> testing installation, cu later
02:12 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
02:53 < jsaw> re
02:54 < mnemoc> running 2.2?
02:54 < jsaw> yep
02:54 < jsaw> finally
02:55 < jsaw> but I'm a bit disappointed about the runit integration
03:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: btw runit, review klogd, there's an echo in the exec line that should not be there
03:12 < mnemoc> # cat packages/socklog-klog.tail
03:12 < mnemoc> input /proc/kmsg
03:12 < mnemoc> log kernel
03:12 < mnemoc> run socklog ucspi
03:13 < mnemoc> $ cat /service/klog/run
03:13 < mnemoc> #!/bin/sh
03:13 < mnemoc> exec 2>&1
03:13 < mnemoc> exec < /proc/kmsg
03:13 < mnemoc> exec socklog ucspi
03:13 < mnemoc> what echo?
03:14 < mnemoc> i stoped integration runit log ago waiting for time to implement a good 'tail' format and installer
03:14 < mnemoc> which have not happen
03:18 < mnemoc> i want to be able to generate from a _minimal_ file init scripts for sysvinit, minit and runit
03:20 < mnemoc> what part of runit integration disappointed you?
03:33 < jsaw> the last line of /etc/runit/klogd/run was
03:33 < jsaw> exec echo $USER ...
03:33 < jsaw> here
03:34 < mnemoc> sysklogd maybe?
03:34 < mnemoc> i use socklog :(
03:34 < jsaw> yep, sysklogd
03:35 < mnemoc> # cat sysklogd-runit-klogd_run.txt
03:35 < mnemoc> #!/bin/sh
03:35 < mnemoc> exec 2>&1
03:35 < mnemoc> LXVER=`uname -r`
03:35 < mnemoc> if [[ "$LXVER" = 2.4.* ]]; then USER="chpst -Unobody"
03:35 < mnemoc> else # on 2.6 you have to use root USER=
03:35 < mnemoc> fi
03:35 < mnemoc> exec echo $USER D_sbindir/klogd -n
03:35 < jsaw> I remove the echo now
03:35 < mnemoc> yes
03:35 < mnemoc> thanks :)
03:35 < mnemoc> commit :p
03:37 < jsaw> eh, no, I can't
03:38 < mnemoc> :(
03:38 < mnemoc> ok, i'll do :)
03:38 < jsaw> subversion missing a library...
03:38 < jsaw> ???
03:39 < mnemoc> does sysklogd work on runit after that change?
03:39 < mnemoc> i have not used sysklogd in years
03:40 < jsaw> yes
03:40 < CIA-9> amery * r14404 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/sysklogd-runit-klogd_run.txt: * fixed runit/sysklogd init script, it had abandoned debugging instructions.
03:40 < jsaw> you asked about the disappointments
03:41 < jsaw> e.g. no keyboard settings
03:41 < mnemoc> yes, tell me
03:41 < mnemoc> ? here init.d/system does that
03:41 < jsaw> where's the rocknet script?
03:41 < mnemoc> senseless because rockplug/hotplug++ start interfaces anyway
03:42 < jsaw> init.d/system ? how is that called?
03:42 < mnemoc> /etc/runit/1.d
03:42 < jsaw> mnemoc: sadly they do not...
03:42 < mnemoc> on 2.1 they do
03:42 < jsaw> harhar
03:43 < mnemoc> in fact, network script on 2.1 _fail_ due to redifinitions, because rockplug did initizalization before
03:44 < jsaw> it fails since ages, I know
03:44 < jsaw> but here it's not even called...
03:44 < mnemoc> symlink sysvinit's to etc/runit/1.d to start and 3.d to stop
03:45 < mnemoc> ugly hack, but without a unified thing i had to introduce that
03:45 < jsaw> hmmm
03:46 < mnemoc> 1: configure the box
03:46 < mnemoc> 2: run services
03:46 < mnemoc> 3: deconfigure the box
03:47 < jsaw> yeah, I know
03:47 < jsaw> u already taught me :)
03:47 < mnemoc> *g*
03:48 < jsaw> but I expect to have at least a minimal working system....
03:48 < mnemoc> hotplug++ doesn't call ifup?
03:48 < jsaw> don't know
03:48 < jsaw> with udev things got more complicated...
03:48 < mnemoc> on 2.1 you get perfectly running systems, if you do the proper pkgsel ,-)
03:48 < jsaw> udev calls hotplug calls x calls y
03:49 < mnemoc> uhm
03:49 < jsaw> .oO(?)
03:49 < jsaw> looks like I will switch back to 2.1...
03:50 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/pkgsel/Core/ <--- look at these pkgsel modules
03:52 < jsaw> tomorrow... okay? I'll do the checkout now, only.
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03:52 < mnemoc> sure, i'll be here if you have troubles
03:53 < jsaw> :)
03:55 < mnemoc> :)
03:55 < mnemoc> i fear i have only tested those packages on mnemosyne and it's extenders
03:59 < jsaw> :)
04:00 < jsaw> I'm tired, need sleep,
04:00 < jsaw> cu
04:00 < mnemoc> sleep well jsaw
04:02 < jsaw> oh, before I go to bed,
04:03 < jsaw> don't you want to add the external links to mnemosyne target in branches/2.1 ?
04:03 < mnemoc> i'm not sure... externals are unconfortable for people
04:03 < mnemoc> and externals to targets people don't need are even more unconfortable
04:04 < jsaw> hmmm
04:04 < jsaw> ok, anyway
04:04 < jsaw> g'night :)
04:04 < mnemoc> they are also points of breakage, because if i set svn:External as http:// http will be used, even if person _needs_ svn or https to get the tree
04:05 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw ,-)
04:08 < mnemoc> btw, mnemosyne is just the 'generic' target, i have other 5 targets which extend mnemosyne... i should have to add 6 svn:externals :)
04:09 < mnemoc> i want t2-powered.net to add an index and documentation about adding external targets to trees
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06:52 < rxr> re
07:05 < mipe> hi rxr
07:43 < LMJ> good morning
08:08 < mipe> good morning LMJ
08:08 < LMJ> how are you mipe
08:08 < LMJ> ?
08:08 < mipe> good thanks, and you?
08:18 < LMJ> pretty fine ;)
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10:28 < misl> hi folks
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11:17 < mtr> @!&4%9=&3?-}=l...
11:17 < mtr> moin
11:21 < mtr> why the he** do appear the pkgs/*.gem files now in src/invalid-files.lst ???
11:36 < mtr> r14025: simplified binary package format selection and associated code <--- !!!
11:38 < mtr> hmmm, best would be to rebuild all binary pkg files using the flists, and switch to another SDECFG_PKGFILE_TYPE :(
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12:29 < mipe> rxr: you happen to have 2.1.1 or so iso?
12:29 < jsaw> re
12:29 < rxr> mipe: not for ppc
12:29 < rxr> for x86-64 yes
12:29 < rxr> but I shoudl rebuild some parts to make mnemoc entierly happy
12:29 < rxr> hi all
12:29 < jsaw> hi there
12:30 < mipe> rxr: how soon will you release x64 iso?
12:30 < rxr> next days
12:30 < rxr> though
12:30 < rxr> I think i resynced it already
12:30 < rxr> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming
12:30 < rxr> might have it
12:31 < rxr> but till release I'll update it slightly
12:31 < mipe> but works? no show stoppers from using it?
12:31 < LMJ> moin rxr
12:31 < jsaw> rxr: have you read the hotplug++ thing ?
12:32 < rxr> mipe: I had not enough free partitions on the subnotebook to test it - but it booteed
12:32 < rxr> jsaw: yes
12:32 < mipe> rxr:i'll download and test it :)
12:32 < rxr> hotplug++ shoudl never accidently be build dynamic
12:32 < rxr> how did it happen ?
12:32 < jsaw> rxr: did you see sth. like that before
12:32 < rxr> nope
12:32 < rxr> it always became static for me
12:32 < jsaw> rxr: don't ask me ... :(
12:33 < jsaw> strange things do happen...
12:34 < jsaw> the difference between my lab and home computer is enormous
12:35 < jsaw> even though the actual process frequency is lower, the machine at home is way faster
12:36 < jsaw> rxr: other question, do you have /dev/sg* devices (for cdrecord) ?
12:36 < rxr> depends
12:36 < jsaw> on what?
12:36 < rxr> oh - sh
12:36 < rxr> sg even
12:36 < rxr> well
12:36 < rxr> do you have sata os scsi ?
12:36 < jsaw> atapi cd/dvd-rw, but it doesn't show up as sg as it used to
12:37 < rxr> atapi as in ide ?
12:37 < jsaw> yes
12:37 < rxr> scsi emualtion is deprecated and defect in 2.6
12:37 < jsaw> hmmm
12:37 < rxr> just tell cdrecord to use /dev/cdrom /dev/hdcX and it will just work
12:37 < jsaw> damn
12:37 < rxr> and way better than ever
12:37 < rxr> with DMA and such
12:38 < rxr> btw. I exlusively use cdrecord dev=/dev/xyz no the pseudo id syntax
12:38 < rxr> despte the ugly texts cdrecord spits out it works just fine
12:38 < jsaw> I was just wondering about the cdrecord complaints...
12:38 < jsaw> I know it works.
12:38 < rxr> we should patch it away
12:38 < rxr> schilys cruft just stinkgs ...
12:38 < rxr> stinks ...
12:38 < jsaw> yep
12:39 < rxr> though he added some strange if you remove this the license is no longer GPL os so comment around is anti-Linux advertising ...
12:39 < jsaw> what abut dvd-r tools? any besides Schily crap
12:40 < rxr> yes we have a package
12:40 < rxr> but I think they can not burn cds
12:40 < rxr> I also never burned a dvd yet - thus I never tested those ..
12:40 < jsaw> ...
12:42 < jsaw> rxr: can you make a note, that the 2.2 final should automatically install the boot loader in case the user forgets on installation...?
12:42 < jsaw> or, better, ask the user to do so
12:44 < rxr> I think I already have this in my .plan
12:44 < rxr> you could add it to trac ,-)
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13:04 < LMJ> t2 seels LCD now ? ;)
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13:19 < axion> i've been reading some guides...none of which are very detailed, about doing optimized source builds from scratch (without t2). Besides CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS what else am I supposed to do? Aren't I to change the target triplet to i686, but when? Any good guides out there?
13:19 < karasz> hello again
13:19 < karasz> any news about libtool?
13:21 < karasz> jsaw, can i use that solution that you reverted for pcre?
13:21 < karasz> or it will work just for pcre?
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13:31 < jsaw> karasz: eh, yeah, try it
13:31 < karasz> but it wiil work just for pcre right?
13:31 < jsaw> wait a sec
13:32 < jsaw> karasz: currently I inserted:
13:32 < jsaw> makeopt="$makeopt LIBTOOL=/usr/bin/libtool"
13:33 < karasz> i mean i have a lot of stuff failin' for that matter...
13:33 < jsaw> into scripts/functions.in/init_vars_and_hooks
13:33 < karasz> ahm... so it will benefit other packages...
13:33 < jsaw> at line 979
13:33 < jsaw> works here (TM)
13:33 < karasz> :)
13:33 < karasz> i'll try
13:36 < karasz> hmmm i have flistdel="$flistdel |`echo $base | sed s,^/,,`/.*| at 979
13:36 < jsaw> axion: don't know. But there are corss build tools out there, do not remember exactly, but sth. like "crosstool" or so? Maybe you can read the source to get an idea
13:36 < jsaw> karasz: yes, right before that line (I only enable it after stage 1)
13:37 < jsaw> karasz: I mean, insert it at this line
13:37 < karasz> got it
13:37 < axion> ok thanks
13:40 < karasz> it works here too(TM)
13:41 < jsaw> :)
13:41 < karasz> i am curious thou if all cfg will build....
13:42 < jsaw> hmmm
13:42 < jsaw> curious too
13:42 < jsaw> ;)
13:42 < karasz> not ot worry i will post a regression...
13:44 < mipe> there was some posts on gcc bug page, that libtool was "broken" in gcc since 4.0 in a away that the libtool used generated wrong data... (some libstdc++.la brokenness)
13:44 < mipe> libtool shipped in gcc that is
13:45 < mipe> and since i only have seen lib brokenness on libstdc++, not in any other lib...
13:46 < jsaw> that's a good hint
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14:19 < YeT2> hi
14:22 < rxr_> hi
14:24 < YeT2> rxr_ : on a 2.2.0-epsilon minimal system gcc ist with dietlibc ... right ?
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14:27 < karasz> hmmm not lookin' very good :(
14:27 < rxr> YeT2: _
14:27 < rxr> ? even
14:29 < YeT2> rxr: ... no not really ... was just trying to find entry :)
14:29 < rxr> what is your question?
14:29 < rxr> on a normal build gcc is not linked or so with dietlibc - all is normal
14:29 < rxr> only some stuff is built with dietlibc, those that is used on the inird ...
14:29 < rxr> modutils and such
14:30 < rxr> you can build single files using dietlibc adding diet before the normal gcc execution
14:30 < rxr> diet gcc hello.c
14:30 < rxr> axion: hi
14:30 < rxr> axion: what is your i686 question about ?
14:33 < karasz> arts fail to build... anyone cares to take a look at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/35526
14:36 < YeT2> rxr : when i ran a build in a 2.2.0-epsilon minimal i had a hang in stage1 with pdksh ! and a core dump ... build base is trunk from thursday last week (beffore BIG chage of mnemoc regarding sysfiles)
14:36 < rxr> YeT2: yes pdksh is linked with dietlibc
14:37 < rxr> because it is the /bin/sh used on the initrd
14:37 < rxr> YeT2: do you build on the installed epsilon minimal?
14:37 < rxr> or on some other linux system ?
14:38 < axion> rxr: i was just wondering if i had to do anything besides set CFLAGS to do an optimized build without t2
14:38 < axion> rxr: i noticed how Gentoo changes the target triplet from i386 to i686 in a CHOST env var
14:38 < YeT2> rxr: ok ... now I'm crosschecking the same build on a gentoo-based system ... just to check if the base system(what i assume) is the troupbel maker)
14:39 < jsaw> karasz: seen that also, but didn't care too much...
14:39 < YeT2> rxr: will give you feedback when I am over this point ..
14:39 < rxr> axion: axion the target trippled is used by some packages (openssl, glibc, ...) to select inline assembly
14:39 < rxr> but that is rate
14:39 < rxr> rare
14:39 < rxr> usual "CFLAGS" are enough
14:39 < rxr> though many Makefiles do not honor CFLAGS and / or do additional stuff
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14:40 < rxr> that is why we did never bother to rely on them but use a generic transformation mechanism thru wrappers to inject wat we want automatically
14:40 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html <- minimal +xorg+basic descktop
14:40 < morfoh> moin moin
14:40 < karasz> jsaw, no arts->no kde
14:40 < axion> i see
14:41 < YeT2> bye
14:41 < karasz> moin morfoh
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14:41 < morfoh> hey karasz :)
14:42 < karasz> yo! morfoh ;)
14:43 < rxr> karasz: hm - your arts error loogs strange
14:43 < rxr> karasz: I fix the gcc package to cure the libstdc++.la issue in some minutes++
14:43 < karasz> if you want to see the whole you can check the regression
14:43 < rxr> but that needs some minutes to get one of my boxes lightly loaded enough to do that
14:44 < rxr> /usr/lib64/gcc/powerpc64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../powerpc64-t2-linux-gnu/b
14:44 < rxr> in/ld: ../../../../dist/lib/libxpt.a(xpt_arena.o)(.text+0x208): unresolvable R_P
14:44 < rxr> PC64_REL24 relocation against symbol `memcpy@@GLIBC_2.3'
14:44 < rxr> /usr/lib64/gcc/powerpc64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../powerpc64-t2-linux-gnu/b
14:44 < rxr> in/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
14:44 < rxr> hm
14:44 < rxr> ppc64 firefox
14:44 < jsaw> not only ppc64
14:45 < jsaw> same error on athlon64, rxr
14:45 < rxr> but ?
14:45 < mipe> i think i saw that on gcc bug tracking...
14:45 < rxr> jsaw: built in the past
14:45 < rxr> but maybe I have not yet tried firefox 1.5
14:45 < rxr> the former built
14:46 < karasz> rxr as ususal if yopu need number crunchin' i can give access to a box with trunk:HEAD ;)
14:46 < karasz> but i know you don't want that ;)
14:47 < rxr> karasz: it is I have to get some gui browser onto the new ppc64 box to be more productive again
14:47 < rxr> otherwise enough cpu cycles around
14:48 < karasz> hmm and you try to get ff 1.5 workin'?
14:48 < rxr> kde needs more stuff
14:48 < rxr> I just want anything right now
14:48 < rxr> usually I'm on kde
14:49 < rxr> but all the work here and there took enough time to not let me Emerge enough for the new system so far
14:50 < karasz> rxr http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ tried this one?
14:51 < rxr> karasz: whats that 14:51 < karasz> lightweight www gui
14:51 < rxr> based on what engine ?
14:51 < karasz> gtk + gecko
14:51 < karasz> `SkipStone is a Gtk+ Web Browser that embeds Mozilla's rendering component Gecko. It aims to be light and fast with few dependencies.`
14:51 < rxr> well when I emerged mozilla for gecko I need no skipstone anymore ...
14:52 < rxr> there are also galeon and epiphany also
14:52 < rxr> though galeon is declared dead
14:53 < axion> Kazehakase is nice
14:53 < morfoh> there is also the dillo browser which is quite small too
14:53 < rxr> axion: also a browser ?
14:53 < axion> yes
14:53 < rxr> based on ?
14:53 < axion> http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/screenshots/ss20040828.png
14:54 < axion> oh crap...moz
14:54 < axion> i forgot
14:54 < axion> what about dillo if you need one quick?
14:54 < axion> or links -g
14:56 < rxr> jsaw: mozilla builds longer on ppc64
14:56 < rxr> we now in 20 minutes ++ if it goes thru
14:56 < axion> i dont think dillo renders frames, so links -g would be better i think
14:57 < rxr> axion: dillo also has no javascript IIRC
14:57 < rxr> well links -g on ppc64 has some strange colors
14:57 < rxr> most probably byte order ...
14:57 < axion> hmm
14:57 < rxr> but well - I need something that displays the sides in reasonable quality ... :-(
14:57 < rxr> think I have that on my new workstation in 20 minutes ...
14:57 < rxr> I can get some lunch in the meantime
14:58 < rxr> and then I also have to fix firefox for 64bit CPUs then ...
14:58 < rxr> mnemoc: subversion 1.3.0 is out
14:59 < rxr> Baldzius: amule 2.1.0 if you want to test that update
15:01 < Baldzius> rxr: thanks , i know :)
15:01 < rxr> jsaw: did mozilla fail for you as well ?
15:02 < rxr> Baldzius: just scrolled voer freshmeat ...
15:02 < jsaw> rxr: didn't yet try. Still struggling to get a minimal installed.
15:03 < Baldzius> yeah, i am waiting for 17.00 till then i have to pay for downloaded MB's :(
15:04 < Baldzius> i'll test amule, abiword and more i have here
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15:28 < karasz> o_O ????
15:28 < karasz> Google `We're sorry...
15:28 < karasz> ... but we can't process your request right now. A computer virus or spyware application is sending us automated requests, and it appears that your computer or network has been infected. `
15:29 < jsaw> karasz: hehe
15:29 < rxr> read about that
15:29 < rxr> some sort of ip grabber protection
15:30 < jsaw> see e.g. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67842
15:32 < Baldzius> can i add hook in .desc ? or should i create .conf for that?
15:33 < Baldzius> 1 choise looks more "clean"
15:33 < rxr> you can
15:33 < rxr> O tag
15:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: you have to do it in a .conf file
15:33 < Baldzius> so O tag or .conf? :)
15:33 < rxr> [O] hook_add postmake 5 "echo hello world"
15:33 < rxr> .desc
15:33 < rxr> but only use for tiny stuff
15:34 < rxr> not abute
15:34 < rxr> abuse
15:34 < rxr> that is not implant entire scripts there ,-)
15:34 < Baldzius> it's simple hood, just sed one line
15:34 < rxr> what do you actually sed ?
15:34 < Baldzius> makefile
15:34 < rxr> can it not be done with setting a variable ?
15:37 < rxr> aside overwriting a variable, var_append makeopt var=val you can do such stuff in the cOnf tag ...
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15:40 < Baldzius> rxr_ did you see? :)
15:44 < rxr_> 15:34 < rxr> can it not be done with setting a variable ?
15:44 < rxr_> 15:37 < rxr> aside overwriting a variable, var_append makeopt var=val you can do such stuff in the cOnf tag ...
15:47 < mnemoc> moin!
15:47 < rxr_> moin mnemoc !
15:48 < rxr_> mnemoc: now udhcpd on my router ...
15:50 < morfoh> moin mnemoc
15:50 < mnemoc> moin rxr_ morfoh :)
15:51 < mnemoc> rxr_: soon bcron :p
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16:00 < mnemoc> Error logs from minimal-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-generic:
16:00 < mnemoc> [5] audio/xmms [5] graphic/ghostscript [5] multimedia/mplayer
16:00 < mnemoc> 516 builds total, 513 completed fine, 3 with errors.
16:00 < mnemoc> ^--- minimal+basic_desktop
16:00 < mnemoc> why xmms??
16:00 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea
16:00 < rxr> stip it
16:00 < rxr> and the old gtk+12 stuff if present as well
16:01 < mnemoc> no gtk+12 stuff there
16:03 < rxr> wonderful
16:03 < rxr> why the hell so I only have to endure all the crap code out there
16:03 < rxr> mozilla tried to assemble x86 assemblly on ppx64
16:03 < rxr> because they have no ppc64 conditional in their f*cking makefiles
16:03 < rxr> and fall back to x86 ...
16:03 < mnemoc> :)
16:04 < rxr> my my my
16:04 < rxr> I really start a ExactOS with just reviewed line by line code ...
16:05 < mnemoc> code a few dynamic loaders for dietlibc first ,-)
16:05 < rxr> har har
16:06 < rxr> I should have emerged kdebase ...
16:06 < rxr> less crappy code lingering in it ...
16:06 < rxr> guess it will be next when I have mozilla up and gcc libstdc++.la fixed
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16:07 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1/ppc?
16:07 < rxr> you can scratch this
16:07 < mnemoc> uhm
16:08 < mnemoc> i prefer not to scratch that :)
16:08 < rxr> I can provide a one post 2.1.1
16:08 < rxr> mnemoc: I can not compile gcc 3.4 here ...
16:08 < mnemoc> oh
16:08 < rxr> I started to tinker together a old user-land but I need to download an old iso then first
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I continue to get 2.1 built on my ppc box here - when it is ready I'll built isos
16:11 < rxr> but it may take up to a week
16:11 < rxr> just let's get 2.1.1 out first
16:11 < rxr> I provide a new x86-64 iso tomorrow I hope
16:11 < mnemoc> "lychee punch"? "drunk peter"? ..?
16:12 < rxr> the first sound good
16:12 < rxr> I looked into gcc bugzilla but found nothing about such miscompilation with ppc
16:14 < mnemoc> rxr: can you tarball the tag?
16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: lets do a 2.1.2 as soon as I have ppc ISOs with full g5 support
16:14 < rxr> that would be in 1-2 weeks
16:14 < rxr> release quickly release often is good (tm)
16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
16:15 < mnemoc> the bottleneck is the ISO building process
16:16 < rxr> I think we do not need a ISO for each arch when we release often
16:16 < rxr> if 2.1.2 has mostly ppc changes then we mostly do ppc ISOs ...
16:16 < mnemoc> i know but i take 4 days on building and uploading a desktop
16:17 < rxr> mnemoc: if I throw an athlon 2500+ into the uni as gsmp., would you use it to build the official ISOs ?
16:18 < mnemoc> sure
16:19 < rxr> ok
16:19 < rxr> xen or vserver for virtual partitions ?
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16:30 < karasz> then xmms is stupid?
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16:31 < mnemoc> # grep glib-config build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/*
16:31 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/glib12:glib12: opt/gnome/bin/glib-config
16:31 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/glib12:glib12: opt/gnome/man/man1/glib-config.1
16:31 < karasz> or someone should show it the way....
16:31 < mnemoc> glib12 is not the only package needed to get a gtk+12 env
16:32 < karasz> i have only /opt/gnome2/bin/
16:32 < mnemoc> you don't have glib12 package
16:33 < karasz> right, i have only glib
16:33 < mnemoc> O -----5---- 113.000 gnome14 glib12 1.2.10 / extra/development AUTOMAKE-QUIRK AUTOMAKE-QUIRK 0
16:33 < rxr> two times automake-quirk ?
16:34 < mnemoc> *G*
16:34 < mnemoc> no clue why
16:35 < karasz> mnemoc, i get it, minimal +xorg +basic desktop shouldn't have xmms at all, because lackin' dependencies...
16:35 < rxr> because it is not a minimal desktop - with old junk lime xmms included ...
16:35 < rxr> of course we could add it's deps
16:36 < rxr> but having such and imprefect choice of an music player in minimal-desktop is not that good in the first place
16:37 < mnemoc> package/gnome14/glib12/glib12.desc:26:[F] AUTOMAKE-QUIRK <--- why you have it duplicated?
16:37 < mnemoc> .oO
16:37 < rxr> I only have one
16:38 < rxr> I only have one
16:39 < karasz> so for music player in minimal desktop?
16:39 < karasz> mplayer?
16:39 < rxr> at least not such an rotting one
16:39 < rxr> xmms2 or none or whatever
16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
16:40 < karasz> hmm... let's say i can compile minimal+xorg+desktop and install it
16:41 < karasz> what if i need other packages? (and i will i am sure)
16:41 < karasz> emerge?
16:41 < rxr> jep
16:41 < mnemoc> and pkgsel
16:41 < mnemoc> i packaged xmms2 but i haven't tried it
16:41 < karasz> pkgsel after install?
16:41 < mnemoc> before
16:42 < rxr> well I would just disable the template ...
16:42 < karasz> that means that i have to think before...
16:42 < rxr> that is select generic and emerge ...
16:42 < rxr> karasz: well - install, select generic, emerge what you need
16:42 < rxr> btw mozilla on ppc64 is crashing ...
16:42 < rxr> early on with a segfault ...
16:43 < karasz> i really want to know the difference between emerge and pkgsel ...
16:43 < mnemoc> emerge, builds and install locally
16:43 < karasz> i know that mnemoc
16:43 < mnemoc> pkgsel add packages to build-target schedule
16:44 < mnemoc> so you get them on the final iso
16:44 < karasz> i am more concerned of the enviroment diferences between them...
16:44 < karasz> iirc build builds in other enviroment that emerge
16:44 < mnemoc> emerge is too greedy for me, i prefer to be explicit
16:45 < mnemoc> emerge builds on host, build-target on sandbox
16:45 < karasz> that's right
16:45 < karasz> and usualy host<>sandbox...
16:45 < rxr> karasz: technically Emerge does use the same backend, all builds start Build-Pkg in the background that does the job
16:45 < karasz> but if i install my build than will be host=previous sandbox?
16:46 < mnemoc> yes
16:46 < karasz> good
16:46 < karasz> than my_wannabe_host=my_old_sandbox
16:46 < mnemoc> flistdel may do a difference
16:47 < mnemoc> same files installed by `make install` are filtered out of package file list, then those files are not packages, and then not installed
16:48 < mnemoc> packaged*
16:50 < mnemoc> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg minimal
16:50 < mnemoc> Error logs from minimal-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-generic:
16:50 < mnemoc> [5] graphic/ghostscript
16:50 < mnemoc> 515 builds total, 514 completed fine, 1 with errors.
16:51 * mnemoc wonders why arts built for me and failed for you, and ghostscript fails for me and built for you
16:51 < karasz> you as in me mnemoc ?
16:51 < mnemoc> yes
16:51 < mnemoc> you = karasz
16:52 < karasz> ghostscript failed here also...
16:52 < karasz> i am on x86-64....
16:52 < mnemoc> that makes more sense
16:53 < karasz> who told you that ghost built here?
16:53 < rxr> mnemoc: even a hand-built gcc does include sich f*cked up pathes in the libstdc++.la
16:53 < rxr> just reviewed
16:53 < rxr> I try to weak gcc's libtool copy not to do that
16:53 < mnemoc> [12:24:48] mnemoc, http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html ;)
16:54 < karasz> say pending, not OK
16:54 < mnemoc> :)
16:54 < rxr> otherwise I hack the crap away bruth force, e.g. by running sed over what libtool throws on us ...
16:54 < mnemoc> i only saw error list
16:54 < rxr> those people should learn to code before they throw such a crap into the world ...
16:54 < mnemoc> rxr: there is a .la auto-fixing code on scripts/
16:54 < mnemoc> ack, libtool is harmful crap
16:55 < rxr> you mean the moving of /lib -> usr/lib ?
16:55 < rxr> libtool and auto*
16:55 < rxr> worst stuff the GNU consortium brought to us
16:55 < mnemoc> yes, but other fixing can be done on the same place
16:55 < rxr> hehe
16:56 < mnemoc> :)
16:56 < rxr> my name is t2 and I can auto-fix most crap you throw on me ...
16:56 * rxr patenting auto-crap-code-fixup (tm) (r) and become rich
16:57 < Baldzius> :))))
16:57 < mnemoc> i doubt that can make you rich :)
16:58 < rxr> wait unil M$ hears about that ...
16:58 < rxr> they will throw $$$$$ on me ...
16:58 < mnemoc> *headache*
16:58 < mnemoc> they will kill you
16:58 < rxr> what for?
16:59 < mnemoc> fixing autocrap you would make opensource stronger :)
16:59 < rxr> claiming prior art since they allow random segfault pointers in certain places of recent windozes due to otherwise seg-faulting Office.exe's ?
17:01 < mnemoc> ms quality
17:01 < mnemoc> *headache*
17:01 < rxr> why ship an office update when you can quirk here and there in your OS ,-)
17:02 < rxr> mnemoc: real headache or just headache reading about M$ practise ?
17:02 < mnemoc> real :(
17:02 < rxr> bummer
17:02 < mnemoc> M$ practise just make me sad
17:02 < rxr> due to hot sunshine ?
17:02 < CIA-9> aldas * r14406 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
17:03 < mnemoc> no, it's not too hot today
17:04 < mnemoc> just my body taking revange for bad eating and lack of sleep
17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: new eve family meeting was not good eat ?
17:07 < mnemoc> too much people to eat
17:07 < rxr> peope to eat ?
17:07 < mnemoc> nah, people makes me unable to eat
17:07 < rxr> hehehe - ah ok
17:07 < mnemoc> more than 4-6 aditional people is too much for me
17:08 < karasz> rxr you might want to take a look at sane-backends.desc
17:08 < karasz> `This package contains the low-lever
17:08 < karasz> [T] scanner driver`
17:09 < mnemoc> ?
17:09 < karasz> i guess that should be low-level...
17:09 < mnemoc> :)
17:10 < karasz> what? mnemoc you said once that nothing is too small....
17:10 < CIA-9> amery * r14407 /trunk/package/graphic/sane-backends/sane-backends.desc: * fixed typo on sane-backends' description
17:10 < mnemoc> nothing is too small
17:10 < rxr> heh
17:11 < karasz> so i will specialize in microscopical ... :D
17:11 < rxr> there is another typo in there
17:11 < rxr> I fix and polish
17:11 < mnemoc> better give write access to karasz so he can fix them :p
17:12 < karasz> parpot?
17:12 < rxr> ack
17:12 < mnemoc> parpot?
17:13 < karasz> PARPOT and USB scanner
17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r14408 /trunk/package/graphic/sane-backends/sane-backends.desc:
17:13 < CIA-9> * fixed another typo in sane-backends, polished the text and
17:13 < CIA-9> updated the URL
17:16 < CIA-9> rene * r14409 /trunk/package/graphic/sane-frontends/sane-frontends.desc: * fixed sane-frontends accordingly
17:27 < karasz> mnemoc, http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html
17:27 < jsaw> rxr: may I change extend_initrd to do real extraction?
17:27 < rxr> jsaw: yes
17:27 < rxr> I already thought about this ...
17:28 < rxr> as you see I have a "space optimization comment there already IIRC"
17:28 < jsaw> the problem with append is, that cpio does not overwrite previously added stuff
17:28 < rxr> yes
17:28 < rxr> though I think the kernel extractor does not care
17:28 < jsaw> ah, ok
17:28 < jsaw> anyway...
17:28 < rxr> but for space optimization and to make the resulting cpio image more easy to use I agree
17:29 < jsaw> is it okay to extract it to "$initrd.dir" ?
17:29 < rxr> I also saw the warning file not newer than previously extracted not extrating or so warning when cpio is used to extract it e.g. for debugging ...
17:29 < jsaw> or should I use /tmp/whatever?
17:29 < rxr> jsaw: well - just .dir I would say
17:29 < jsaw> k
17:30 < CIA-9> aldas * r14410 /trunk/package/network/amule/amule.desc: * updated amule (2.0.3 -> 2.1.0)
17:30 < rxr> my my my
17:31 < rxr> the final libstdc++ command line for linking looks soo crappyy ...
17:31 < rxr> ... -lm -lm -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lm -lm -lm -lm -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lm -lm -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm /usr/lib64/../lib/.libs/libstdc++.so -lm -lm -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc -lm ...
17:31 < mnemoc> :D
17:31 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
17:31 < rxr> and he path is wrong additionally ...
17:31 < _Ragnar_> fixit;)
17:35 < rxr> it is libtool crap
17:35 < rxr> I'll have fun fixing that ...
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17:38 < karasz> libtool: link: libtool library `sudo_noexec.la' must begin with `lib'
17:38 < mnemoc> hahha
17:38 < mnemoc> package?
17:38 < karasz> sudo
17:39 < karasz> you find it in my regression
17:39 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html
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18:03 < karasz> mnemoc, i am a little list here
18:03 < rxr_> hm
18:03 < rxr_> damn w-lan router I use beside the geode does reconnect strangely ...
18:03 < karasz> i don't see the kde packages, either failed or pending...
18:03 < rxr_> guess I need to get a t2wrtg sooner than later ...
18:04 < rxr_> could even use the geode for s.th. else if irssi is on the router itself ... ,-)
18:05 < rxr_> cp -a libstdc++-v3/config/cpu/i{4,3}86/atomicity.h
18:05 < rxr_> aha - redhat way to build a i386 version, let it include 486 assembly ...
18:06 < rxr_> guess they do not want their stuff run on old i386 silicon then ... ,-)
18:08 < CIA-9> aldas * r14411 /trunk/package/base/dump/dump.desc: * updated dump (0.4b40 -> 0.4b41)
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18:10 < mipe> so 2.1.1 is running
18:10 < mipe> btw. theres no gasgui only the minimal version on x64 iso
18:10 < mipe> and minimal version doesnt check disk changes
18:11 < rxr_> ah yes
18:11 < rxr_> need to rebuild since I fixed that post build on trunk first ...
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18:14 < rxr> i really wonder why the gcc people use libtool at all
18:14 < rxr> it is totally broken for cross builds inside gcc ...
18:14 < rxr> even look into host systems .la of libraries build inside gcc and such ..
18:15 < rxr> unfortunatly dropping a latest libtool into the build does not really cure that
18:15 < _Ragnar_> O_O
18:15 < mipe> so the problem was/is on gcc libtool?
18:16 < rxr> yes
18:16 < rxr> look into your libstdc++.la files
18:16 < rxr> the depend line is full of junk ...
18:16 < rxr> 1000+ chars of repeated pure harmful noise
18:17 < mipe> yep, i tryed a patch i found on gcc bug tracking page but that didnt work either...
18:17 < rxr> mipe: any link to that page ?
18:17 < rxr> I have not found any
18:17 < mipe> rxr: i'll look if find it again, i think i bookmarked it...
18:22 < mipe> rxr:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5291
18:23 < mipe> rxr: was actually a patch to get rid of -L references from libstdc++.la from build dir
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18:24 < mipe|away> rxr:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5291
18:24 < mipe|away> rxr: was actually a patch to get rid of -L references from libstdc++.la from build dir
18:25 < mipe|away> now, i'm really away for bit
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18:34 < mnemoc> re
18:34 < CIA-9> aldas * r14412 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.3.5 -> 3.4.0)
18:36 < mnemoc> rxr_: can i remove generic x86? glibc and linux26 don't build for it
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18:43 < rxr_> mnemoc: hehe
18:43 < rxr_> mnemoc: no - I rather would like to fix it some day
18:43 < rxr_> mnemoc: I guess you mean trunk where generic fails on glibc due to thread local storage stuff ?
18:43 < mnemoc> yes
18:44 < mnemoc> or change the default value to a safe one
18:44 < rxr_> mnemoc: ok
18:44 < mnemoc> 386? pmmx?
18:44 < rxr_> 486 should build
18:44 < rxr_> 386 shoudl fail as generic does, no ?
18:44 < mnemoc> not sure, but iirc 386 passed
18:44 < rxr_> hm - 386 should fail as generic does
18:44 < rxr_> since generic mostly means 386 ...
18:45 < mnemoc> mostly :)
18:45 < mnemoc> so, i486?
18:45 < rxr_> ack
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18:47 < CIA-9> amery * r14413 /trunk/architecture/x86/config.in: * changed default x86 to i486, because generic makes some troubles
18:50 < karasz> mnemoc, i am in a dead end, i could use a foot in my backside...
18:52 < mnemoc> o.o
18:52 < rxr> ouhm
18:53 < rxr> in gcc libtool is even generated from ltconfig
18:53 < mnemoc> :)
18:53 < rxr> this generated crap by crappy generators gets on my nerves majorly ...
18:54 < rxr> mnemoc: mind if I rm -rf the Makefile.* of gcc and throw an ExactBuild makefile set over it ?
18:54 < mnemoc> :)
18:54 < karasz> mnemoc, they sai that every kick in your backside also means a step forward...
18:55 < rxr> can indent indent shellcode ?
18:55 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:55 < rxr> Build-Target is wrongly indented
18:56 < mnemoc> but people change indentation _only_ on that commit
18:56 < mnemoc> please*
18:56 < rxr> hm?
18:56 < rxr> I know, indentation not mixed with other commits, of course
18:56 < mnemoc> but please change indentation _only_ on that commit
18:57 < mnemoc> yes, that :)
18:57 < rxr> just that I wonder wher the parallel cluster hackery actually ends ...
18:57 < mnemoc> first reindent all, then remove cluster hackery
18:57 < mnemoc> or on the other way :)
18:58 < mnemoc> jsaw: 1-perl still broken :(
18:59 < LMJ> good evening guys
18:59 < mnemoc> missing -lpthreads for miniperl now
18:59 < mnemoc> hi LMJ
18:59 < rxr> welcome LMJ
18:59 < LMJ> how are you guys ?
19:00 < LMJ> i'm curious to know if someone tested QOS someday ?
19:00 < LMJ> to get feedback
19:00 < mnemoc> QOS where?
19:01 < rxr> # ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg embedded
19:01 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 171: syntax error near unexpected token `}'
19:01 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 171: `}'
19:01 < rxr> well that was the wrong chunk
19:01 < mnemoc> :)
19:01 < rxr> but Build-Target gets quite nice with the fat Cluster code stripped ...
19:01 < LMJ> Quality Of Service for network, bandwith management with priority
19:02 < mnemoc> i though you had added QoS to rocknet :)
19:02 < rxr> depends - /me did some basic bandwdith management once
19:04 < rxr> hm
19:05 < rxr> I should open kate on the file
19:05 < rxr> this kde editor has quite nice folding
19:05 < LMJ> and it worked rxr ?
19:05 * rxr wonders if would be able to parse this extreme piece of shell code at all ...
19:08 < rxr> LMJ: this basic iproute2 based parameters yes
19:08 < rxr> what do you want to do ?
19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r14414 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Target config.hlp config.in): * removed remaining chunks of obsolete, rotting cluster code
19:16 < CIA-9> rene * r14415 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target:
19:16 < CIA-9> * minimal set of changes to fix indention and thus readability of
19:16 < CIA-9> the Build-Target pkgloop() function
19:17 * rxr shortly off hunting for dinner - cu soon
19:27 < karasz> re
19:41 < karasz> ufff....
19:46 < rxr> re
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19:54 < rxr_> hm
19:54 < rxr_> this reconnects due to linksys hickup are a bit annoying
19:55 < misl> hi folks
19:56 < karasz> mnemoc, libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2//libstdc++.la' seems to be moved
19:57 < karasz> it is outside the sandbox isn't it?
19:57 < mnemoc> atage?
19:57 < mnemoc> stage*
19:57 < karasz> shouldn't it searched inside the sandbox?
19:57 < karasz> 5
19:57 < mnemoc> it is inside the sandbox
19:58 < karasz> then i must miss the definition of sandbox :(
19:58 < karasz> i thought that sandbox is inside /usr/src/t2.....
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19:58 < mnemoc> stage-5 is completly done inside a chroot
19:59 < mnemoc> of course each sandbox looks like a normal machine
19:59 < owl> hi karasz
20:00 < karasz> hi owlita
20:05 < rxr_> "Also aclocal will remake aclocal.m4 from your installed libtool.m4, but you still have ltmain.sh (and ltconfig) from the distributers version. We have recommended that packagers should `cat /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 >> acinclude' to make sure that the packaged ltmain.sh matches the macros. If the package has done this you will also need to remove acinclude.m4 and rebuild it from libtool.m4 (and perhaps other files) to match the new ltmain.sh pulled in by libtoolize. Oh, and don't forget to rerun aclocal to remake aclocal.m4."
20:06 < _Ragnar_> O_O
20:06 < rxr_> remake or remake of regen ... and finallly you have a generator generating crappy crap and fun finding out where which crappy chunk comes from
20:06 < _Ragnar_> *g*
20:13 < karasz> mnemoc, so if not that why does arts fail?
20:13 < karasz> i am greppin' through arts.err.txt at no avail...
20:13 < mnemoc> karasz: do you have that file?
20:14 < karasz> and now my eyes look like o_O
20:14 < karasz> what file?
20:14 < mnemoc> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2//libstdc++.la
20:14 < karasz> yes
20:14 < mnemoc> build/foo-*/...
20:14 < karasz> without the `//`
20:14 < mnemoc> then the problem is on it's content
20:15 < karasz> kul
20:15 < karasz> so it is not solvable by me...
20:15 < mnemoc> publish it ,-)
20:16 < karasz> what?
20:16 < karasz> if you talk off regression you can find it
20:16 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html
20:16 < mnemoc> know, i talk about build/minimal-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-em64t-generic//usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/libstdc++.la
20:17 < mnemoc> s/know/no/
20:17 < karasz> moment
20:19 < karasz> hmmm
20:20 < karasz> but why build/minimal....... since the report is about /usr/lib64/gcc/4.0.2//libstdc++.la ?
20:20 < mnemoc> because that is where your sandbox lives
20:21 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/libstdc++.la
20:23 < jsaw> re
20:24 < jsaw> how can svn be linked to libxml2, if libxml2 was not build?
20:24 < jsaw> .oO(?)
20:25 < mnemoc> neon?
20:25 < jsaw> don't know
20:26 < jsaw> I only know svn does not work on a fresh installation of minimal (due to missing libxml2.so.2)
20:35 < jsaw> starting over without as-needed...
20:38 < jsaw> mnemoc: may I change vserver to be able to apply more than one patch to the kernel?
20:38 < karasz> patch-2.6.15-rc7.bz2 ??
20:39 < mnemoc> jsaw: isn't that done by linux26.conf itself?
20:39 < jsaw> there's a fix needed for patch-2.6.15-rc7.bz2 on 64bit platforms
20:39 < jsaw> no, it's in pkg_linux_pre.conf
20:40 < mnemoc> a patch for vserver or for linux kernel?
20:40 < jsaw> a patch for the vserver kernel patch...
20:41 < jsaw> or let's say, a supplementary patch
20:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: IÄ'll commit, then you can look at it
20:41 < mnemoc> :)
20:41 < mnemoc> please don't break the world :)
20:41 < jsaw> ?
20:42 < jsaw> can I do that with vserver?
20:42 < jsaw> explosive package!
20:42 < mnemoc> :)
20:44 < mnemoc> http://asteriskathome.sourceforge.net/ <--- i want a target for that
20:44 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14416 /trunk/package/security/vserver/ (pkg_linux_pre.conf vserver.desc):
20:44 < CIA-9> * sort and comment [D] tags
20:44 < CIA-9> * add 64bit fix
20:44 < CIA-9> * change pkg_linux_pre.conf to accept additional fixes
20:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: 20:44 < Bertl> jsaw: works fine here ...
20:45 < jsaw> ^-- in #vserver channel
20:45 < mnemoc> :)
20:45 < karasz> so mnemoc any ideeas about that arts?
20:45 < karasz> it is the thing that stops me from moving on...
20:46 < jsaw> karasz: looks like a missed dependency
20:46 < jsaw> karasz: try to find out, which library (in the arts tree) has those symbols
20:46 < jsaw> and add it after libartsflow.la
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20:53 < jsaw> I'm giving up
20:53 < mnemoc> ?
20:53 < jsaw> on one box it works, on the other not
20:53 < jsaw> *gah*
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21:06 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14417 /trunk/package/security/vserver/pkg_linux_pre.conf:
21:06 < CIA-9> * fix matching of patch fixes
21:06 < CIA-9> * remove set -x, left over from debugging...
21:07 < jsaw> ok.
21:07 < jsaw> next stop 1-perl.
21:16 < karasz> jsaw, i was tryin to find a source file that defines function `Object_base` at no avail...
21:21 < jsaw> it's in mcop/object.cc
21:22 < jsaw> do you still have the src.art* directory?
21:22 < jsaw> please list all .la files here
21:26 < rxr_> hm
21:26 < rxr_> if we are lucky the gcc libstdc++ issue is due our xgcc-wrapper
21:27 < mnemoc> if we are lucky?
21:27 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14418 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.conf:
21:27 < CIA-9> * remove the "libs=..." passed to make hack,
21:27 < CIA-9> libs is filled by the Configure script, so Configure has
21:27 < CIA-9> to be fixed
21:28 < jsaw> karasz: still around?
21:28 < karasz> yes
21:28 < jsaw> see 21:23
21:28 < jsaw> or +- n*1h
21:28 < karasz> please list all .la files here ?
21:28 < jsaw> yep
21:28 < karasz> i am doin that
21:29 < rxr_> reminds me I have to get a ntp client onto the geode ...
21:29 < rxr_> mnemoc: any tiny ntp client ? ,-)
21:29 < jsaw> hehe
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21:29 < rxr> ntp is ugly and not very diet friendly and openntpd not cross compile ready ...
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21:31 < jsaw> rxr: clockspeed
21:31 < jsaw> ?
21:31 < jsaw> package/network/clockspeed
21:31 < mnemoc> :)
21:32 < jsaw> quoting .desc "...sntpclock is the simplest available NTP/SNTP client"
21:32 < mnemoc> clockspeed is great, once it get sync-ed you don't need to resync
21:32 < mnemoc> sntpclock doesn't even resolve names :p
21:33 < mnemoc> sntpclock `dnsip myntp` | clockadd
21:33 < karasz> libartsflow.la
21:33 < karasz> libartsflow_idl.la
21:33 < karasz> libartsflow.la
21:33 < karasz> libartsflow.lai
21:33 < karasz> libartsflow_idl.la
21:33 < karasz> libartsflow_idl.lai
21:33 < karasz> libgsl.la
21:33 < karasz> libgsl.la
21:33 < karasz> libgslpp.la
21:33 < karasz> libgslpp.la
21:33 < karasz> libltdlc.la
21:33 < karasz> libltdlc.la
21:34 < karasz> libmcop.la
21:34 < karasz> libmcop.la
21:34 < karasz> libmcop.lai
21:34 < karasz> libmcop_mt.la
21:34 < karasz> libmcop_mt.la
21:34 < karasz> libmcop_mt.lai
21:34 < karasz> ls -a1R | grep '\.la'
21:34 < jsaw> karasz: is libmcop in the dependency_libs variable inside libartsflow.la ?
21:36 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14419 /trunk/misc/lua/sde/ (desc.lua hooks.lua): * add two more TODO items
21:37 < karasz> yes jsaw
21:38 < karasz> # Libraries that this one depends upon.
21:38 < karasz> dependency_libs=' -L/opt/kde3/lib64 -L/opt/qt33/lib -L/usr/X11R7/lib64 -L/opt/gnome2/lib64 -L/TOOLCHAIN/src.gcc.minimal.20051230.204918.8560.karasz/gcc-4.0.2
21:38 < karasz> *******
21:38 < jsaw> karasz: try adding it manually after libartsflow.la at the point where the linking fails
21:39 < karasz> in which file?
21:39 < jsaw> Makefile
21:40 < karasz> Makefile of libartsflow?
21:40 < jsaw> no
21:40 < jsaw> at the point where you get the linking error
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21:43 < karasz> hmm from what i can see kmedia2 is failing
21:43 < karasz> so i checked out its Makefile
21:43 < jsaw> same errors, or less?
21:43 < jsaw> ah
21:43 < karasz> INCLUDES = -I$(top_srcdir)/mcop -I$(top_builddir)/mcop -I$(top_srcdir)/flow \
21:43 < karasz> -I$(top_builddir)/flow -DEXECUTE=\"$(artsdpath)\" $(all_includes)
21:43 < jsaw> forget the last sentence...
21:44 < jsaw> karasz: no, somewhere among LIBS?
21:45 < jsaw> libkmedia2_la_DEPENDENCIES
21:46 < jsaw> add $(top_builddir)/mcop/libmcop.la
21:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I saw you use sysfiles btee on runit ...
21:46 < rxr> mnemoc: but do you also use rc, or can I move that to sysvinit ?
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21:47 < mnemoc> only btee
21:48 < karasz> libkmedia2_la_DEPENDENCIES = libkmedia2_idl.la $(am__DEPENDENCIES_1)
21:48 * jsaw is throwing a "*" into the air at home (now, shoot mnemoc, here's the target)
21:48 < mnemoc> rc doesn't make sense on runit
21:48 < rxr> sure nto
21:48 < jsaw> karasz: yes
21:48 < rxr> just wanted to be sure
21:48 < mnemoc> jsaw: ??
21:48 < jsaw> 20:45 < mnemoc> http://asteriskathome.sourceforge.net/ <--- i want a target for
21:48 < jsaw> that
21:49 < jsaw> "*" = asterisk
21:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D
21:49 < karasz> jsaw, how should i add that?
21:49 < karasz> i suppose we want the value as it is and add to it...
21:49 < jsaw> simply add at the end: $(top_builddir)/mcop/libmcop.la
21:50 < jsaw> the make, and see if some of the link errors disappear
21:50 < jsaw> if so,
21:50 < CIA-9> rene * r14420 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
21:50 < CIA-9> * added ether_aton to dietlibc (mostly taken from glibc)
21:50 < CIA-9> * tweaked udhcpd to link with gcc (needed for dietlibc build)
21:50 < CIA-9> * marked udhcpd to build with -lcompat and BSD defines with
21:50 < CIA-9> dietlibc
21:50 < CIA-9> * marked udhcpd DIETLIBC
21:51 < jsaw> karasz: if so, try finding other missing .la libs and create a patch for Makefile.in ...
21:51 < jsaw> karasz: am I making sense to you?
21:51 < karasz> i recognize some words...
21:52 < rxr> what was proposed to me? cockspeed ?
21:52 < rxr> clockspeed even ?
21:52 < jsaw> :D
21:52 < jsaw> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
21:52 < jsaw> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
21:52 < jsaw> Freudian?
21:52 < mnemoc> :D
21:53 < mnemoc> rxr: _clock_speed, is not an ntp client, but includes a very simple and portable ntp client
21:53 < CIA-9> rene * r14421 /trunk/package/network/clockspeed/clockspeed.desc: * fixed clockspeed.desc I and T tags slightly
21:54 < mnemoc> *HEADACHE*
21:54 < mnemoc> tr a-z A-Z by the heat
21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO what to do with you? send some snow over?
21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: the package did not arrive so far?
21:54 < mnemoc> i'll try to sleep early today
21:54 * jsaw hands C9H8O4 to mnemoc
21:55 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, nothing yet
21:55 < rxr> mnemoc: the sleep sound like a plan
21:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: what c9 h8 o4 is?
21:55 < jsaw> aspirin
21:55 < mnemoc> :)
21:55 < mnemoc> i thought it was more complex
21:56 < jsaw> blood brain barrier...
21:56 < jsaw> molecules have to be small to get into the brain
21:56 < mnemoc> :D
21:57 < jsaw> .oO(typing blood brain barrier is easier then spelling... I had so many knots in my tongue the last year when I learned that term)
21:58 < mnemoc> http://nautilus.fis.uc.pt/cec/molecularium/stereo/moleculas/c9h8o4.jpg
21:58 < jsaw> s/spelling/pronouncing/
21:58 < mnemoc> is it me, or that image is hard to see?
21:58 < karasz> hmm jsaw my build extracted again source and of course it failed...
21:58 < jsaw> oh
21:59 < mnemoc> karasz: use debug.sh
21:59 < jsaw> sorry, so I was not explicit enough
21:59 < jsaw> karasz: yep, execute ./src.*/debug.sh
21:59 < jsaw> then you are inside the build environment
22:00 < jsaw> mnemoc: do you have stereo glasses?
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22:00 < mnemoc> jsaw: that's it?
22:00 < mnemoc> jsaw: 3d?
22:00 < jsaw> mnemoc: one eye red, one eye green
22:00 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes, 3d
22:00 < rxr> cockspeed is not a bit cross aware
22:00 < jsaw> :D
22:01 < mnemoc> *G*
22:01 < rxr> runs gcc hardcoded in the ugly compile script
22:01 < jsaw> rxr rxr
22:01 < rxr> stupid crap
22:01 < rxr> did I mention I cross build on the powerpc64 to everything else now
22:01 < rxr> ...
22:01 < mnemoc> rxr: djb has that bad habit
22:02 < rxr> b0rke d...
22:02 < rxr> # ./compile tryrdtsc.c
22:02 < rxr> tryrdtsc.c: In function 'main':
22:02 < rxr> tryrdtsc.c:14: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function '_exit'
22:02 < rxr> tryrdtsc.c:11: error: impossible constraint in 'asm'
22:02 < rxr> tryrdtsc.c:12: error: impossible constraint in 'asm'
22:02 < mnemoc> uhm
22:02 < rxr> mnemoc: this f*cked compile script on ppc ...
22:03 < rxr> of course ppc64 gcc does not have a clue about x86 asm ...
22:03 < rxr> mnemoc: mind if I hack this compile fluff away ?
22:03 < mnemoc> np
22:03 < rxr> conf-cc conf-ld warn-auto.sh
22:03 < rxr> ( cat warn-auto.sh; \
22:03 < rxr> echo CC=\'`head -n 1 conf-cc`\'; \
22:03 < rxr> echo LD=\'`head -n 1 conf-ld`\' \
22:03 < rxr> ) > auto-ccld.sh
22:03 < rxr> ouhm
22:03 < rxr> wonderful way to configure this ...
22:03 < mnemoc> :)
22:03 < mnemoc> echo crap crap > conf-cc
22:03 < rxr> could have dumped the makefile CC variable at last ...
22:05 < mnemoc> after some years you get used to that kind of configure scripts
22:05 < rxr> configure ?
22:05 < karasz> debug.sh gives me some sort of shell...
22:05 < rxr> hm
22:06 < rxr> karasz: ack
22:07 < mnemoc> karasz: a shell inside the sandbox
22:07 < mnemoc> karasz: with the enviroment used by t2 to build the package
22:07 < rxr> cockspeed is x86 and slowlaris only I think
22:07 < karasz> and i am suposed to manual build in that?
22:07 < mnemoc> what about sntpclock and clockadd specificly?
22:08 < mnemoc> karasz: reproduce what .conf does
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22:09 < rxr> # ./sntpclock 17.254.0.31
22:09 < rxr> Ï:w.s(U
22:09 < karasz> # workaround for gcc-4.0
22:09 < karasz> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-fno-common -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden"
22:09 < rxr> is that the intended output ?
22:09 < karasz> this is all in .conf
22:10 < karasz> so i make a ./configure with thoose?
22:10 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
22:10 < mnemoc> rxr: | clockview or | clockadd
22:10 < rxr> ouhm
22:10 < rxr> # ./sntpclock 17.254.0.31 | ./clockview
22:10 < rxr> before: 2006-01-02 22:11:42.733496000000000000
22:10 < rxr> after: 2006-01-02 22:11:44.833575999888166784
22:11 < rxr> that is ppc64 not yet dietlibc ...
22:11 < mnemoc> closer :)
22:12 < mnemoc> btw, clockview just display. clockadd does the change
22:12 < rxr> no make clean even
22:12 < rxr> mnemoc: figured ...
22:12 < karasz> GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE means that thoose are defaults for configure and we want to remove them?
22:12 < rxr> what kind of software distribution is that ?
22:12 < mnemoc> rxr: DJB-style :)
22:12 < rxr> not el-cheapo but el-ninio ...
22:13 < mnemoc> *G*
22:13 < jsaw> karasz: just type make after the change to am__DEPENDENCY_Ü*
22:14 < karasz> i do not need to configure?
22:14 < jsaw> karasz: that should suffice in most cases to see if a change works
22:14 < jsaw> karasz: actually you shouldn't
22:14 < jsaw> karasz: you just want to see if the build continues
22:15 < karasz> :(
22:15 < jsaw> karasz: if it does, you can create a patch to the Makefile.in
22:15 < karasz> nice
22:15 < karasz> super nice even
22:15 < karasz> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib64/../lib/libdl.so when searching for -ldl
22:15 < karasz> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib64/../lib/libdl.a when searching for -ldl
22:15 < karasz> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib64/../lib/libpthread.so when searching for -lp thread
22:15 < karasz> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib64/../lib/libpthread.a when searching for -lpt hread
22:15 < karasz> /usr/lib64/../lib/libstdc++.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format
22:16 < jsaw> o.O
22:16 < jsaw> which stage?
22:16 < mnemoc> 6/usr/lib64/../lib/libdl.so ??
22:17 < jsaw> hmmm, cross compile...?
22:18 < jsaw> seems, you have to provide the right CC CXX and so on :(
22:18 < karasz> i do not cross compile
22:18 < karasz> i am on x86-64
22:18 < jsaw> then just kick libtool
22:18 < karasz> nah
22:18 < mnemoc> LIBTOOL-QUIRK?
22:18 < karasz> i guess rxr will kick it for me too
22:18 < jsaw> try: make LIBTOOL=/usr/bin/libtool
22:19 < karasz> that worked for pcre
22:19 < jsaw> try it here, too
22:19 < jsaw> on the cli
22:20 < karasz> now i got back the old error
22:20 < jsaw> all of them, or less?
22:20 < karasz> many
22:20 < jsaw> Object_base still part of it?
22:20 < karasz> i do not know if are all, but are quite similar
22:20 < karasz> yes\
22:20 < jsaw> :(
22:21 < jsaw> <- running out of ideas
22:21 * karasz <- hasn't got any ideeas...
22:23 * rxr wonder is select() is not implemented in dietlibc for ppc/ppc64 ...
22:24 < rxr> syscalls.s/select.S:#ifdef __NR_select
22:24 < rxr> syscalls.s/select.S:syscall(select,select)
22:24 < rxr> hm - or that generic code does work ..
22:25 < mnemoc> :)
22:27 < rxr> 0x0000000010004240 <.select+0>: li r0,82
22:27 < rxr> 0x0000000010004244 <.select+4>: b 0x100041cc <__unified_syscall>
22:27 < rxr> ok - not too bad
22:27 < rxr> Single stepping until exit from function __unified_syscall,
22:27 < rxr> which has no line number information.
22:27 < rxr> 0x00000000100041d4 in error_unified_syscall ()
22:27 < rxr> hm
22:28 < rxr> well / me then blindly hacking this cruft to build with dietlibc without this x86 only part and hope the best when I run it on the geode ...
22:29 < rxr> and if that even works note that I need to review select on at least ppc64 then ...
22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: what should I play nice and fill the conf-* stuff of cockspeed or hack the whole Makefiel crap away ?
22:36 < mnemoc> fill conf-*
22:37 < mnemoc> clockspeed is not GPL
22:37 < rxr> by godness
22:38 < rxr> have you seen the install procedure ???????????????????
22:38 < mnemoc> yeah :)
22:38 < rxr> it links it's own f*cked install C application and starts that ????????????????????????????????
22:38 < rxr> sorry my stoarch turns over
22:38 < mnemoc> :)
22:39 < rxr> please farther of all mighty - please do not let me see such stuff that often ...
22:39 < rxr> drugs are to cheap - really
22:39 < rxr> too eve
22:39 < rxr> n
22:39 < rxr> my oh myu
22:39 < rxr> ok - either abondone clockspeed for my use
22:40 < rxr> or do not let it install itself this ill way ...
22:40 < rxr> that is convert to shell code in clockspeed.conf ...
22:40 < mnemoc> exactclock :)
22:41 < rxr> well with such fluff around it is not too unlikly ...
22:41 * jsaw hands benzodiazepine to rxr
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: do you use clockspeed ?
22:41 < rxr> == 22:21:51 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051128 2.2.0-alpha].
22:41 < rxr> == 01/02/06 22:39:51 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
22:41 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
22:41 < rxr> at least the other build is going quickly ..
22:42 < rxr> mnemoc: so what? do an own install ?
22:42 < mnemoc> rxr: i use clockspeed package
22:51 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html
22:51 < karasz> still no minimal desktop :(
22:51 < karasz> pending should be read failed...
22:52 < karasz> today i didn't took any steps further...:(
22:53 < rxr> clockadd.c:15: warning: return type of 'main' is not 'int'
22:53 < rxr> ...
23:00 < rxr> this auto_home crap also wants to run a compiled binary ...
23:00 < rxr> my oh my
23:00 < rxr> that Makefile crap is even more bullshit than the typical auto* hackery ..
23:03 < mnemoc> )
23:03 < mnemoc> :)
23:05 < rxr> so
23:05 < rxr> mostly there
23:05 < rxr> that was a pain ..
23:06 * karasz wonders when will he be able to movein the new wks... .oO
23:11 < mnemoc> karasz: t2-2.1 :)
23:11 < rxr> ?
23:12 < karasz> mnemoc, hmmm right now it sounds tempting....
23:14 < karasz> but no x86-64-desktop on 2.1
23:14 < karasz> i mean isos
23:14 < mnemoc> rene has one
23:14 < mnemoc> 2.1.1
23:15 < rxr> it is in incoming on gsmp
23:15 < rxr> told mipe already
23:15 < rxr> he said mostly ok
23:16 < rxr> but I want to rebuild the things you mentioned before it moves to official
23:16 < rxr> == 01/02/06 23:16:47 =[1]=> Finished building package clockspeed.
23:16 < mnemoc> svn diff ?
23:17 < rxr> not yet ready
23:17 < rxr> files did not install due to thinko
23:17 < karasz> 2.1.1 has no modular xorg iirc...
23:17 < rxr> nope
23:17 < rxr> but 2.1 is stable ,-)
23:17 < karasz> ;(
23:18 < mnemoc> 2.2 is cool, but coolness has it's price
23:18 < karasz> price that seems i cannot pay...
23:18 < rxr> mnemoc: last week 2.2 was even perfeclty use and buildable
23:19 < rxr> then some freaks came and freaked it up ...
23:19 < mnemoc> hey, my changes were not responsable of that
23:19 < rxr> nope
23:19 < rxr> most probable libtool gcc quirks ...
23:19 < mnemoc> :)
23:19 < rxr> and / or lingering around a longer time unnoticed - uncovered by some sideffect
23:19 < mnemoc> i guess that is
23:20 < karasz> why does stuff tend to break when i am around?
23:20 < karasz> guess it's my aura... ;(
23:20 < rxr> hah!
23:20 < rxr> karasz presence was it ...
23:21 < karasz> i confess
23:21 < karasz> it was me.
23:21 < karasz> guilty as charged.
23:21 < karasz> -#-O.O-#-
23:21 < rxr> # svn diff package/network/clockspeed/ | diffstat
23:21 < rxr> clockspeed.conf | 25 +++++++++++++++++--------
23:21 < rxr> x-cross.patch | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
23:21 < rxr> 2 files changed, 38 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
23:22 < CIA-9> rene * r14422 /trunk/package/network/clockspeed/ (clockspeed.conf clockspeed.desc x-cross.patch):
23:22 < CIA-9> * fixed clockspeed to cross build and even with dietlibc
23:22 < CIA-9> * fixed clockspeed for non-x86 / non-solaris builds
23:22 < mnemoc> "karasz, t2 karma"
23:23 < karasz> i am T2's karma?
23:23 < karasz> then T2 is doomed
23:24 < karasz> guys pack it up and find smthing else to do
23:24 < rxr> root@geode:~# sntpclock 17.254.0.31 | clockview
23:24 < rxr> before: 2006-01-02 23:24:21.730189000000000000
23:24 < rxr> after: 2006-01-02 22:25:16.187292999927811324
23:24 < rxr> weeeeeeeee
23:24 < rxr> so I have to review select on ppc* :-((((
23:24 < rxr> but we can built clockspeed with dietlibc and cross now ...
23:25 < rxr> it might miss one or two state files in the flist
23:25 < rxr> but I had not build to compare ...
23:25 < rxr> due to the f*cked build system it did not bulid on any box powered up ...
23:25 < rxr> well - ok - maybe gsmp would have done remotely ...
22:27 < rxr> mnemoc: clockspeed is used now ?
22:27 < rxr> how even ?
22:27 < mnemoc> /usr/bin/clockspeed & for you
22:28 < mnemoc> it use /var/state/clockspeed/adjust to keep the machine on time
22:28 < rxr> hm
22:28 < rxr> well - have to go to bed ...
22:28 < rxr> need sleep - got too much djb ...
22:28 < morfoh> cat /usr/doc/clockspeed/INSTALL
22:28 < jsaw> mnemoc: 1-perl should build again
22:28 < rxr> at least the basics work ...
22:28 < morfoh> sleep well rxr
22:28 < rxr> cu
22:28 < jsaw> cu rxr
22:28 < rxr> morfoh: oh - sorry for messing up your clock package ...
22:29 < morfoh> rxr: np ... you can mess up what ever you want ;)
22:29 < karasz> cu rxr
22:29 < morfoh> .oO( at least ... as long as it builds with dietlibc )o :p
22:31 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14423 /trunk/package/security/vserver/pkg_linux_pre.conf: * fix matching of additional patches
22:36 < rxr> btw. it is neither of our gcc tweaks
22:36 < jsaw> O.O
22:36 < rxr> this happens also with this local diff:
22:36 < rxr> - # libtool injects -lstdc++ or even a absolute patch /usr/lib/libstdc++
22:36 < rxr> - # for multilib builds while building stdc++ ...
22:36 < rxr> - # :-( so we strip it again :-((
22:36 < rxr> - var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE ' ' '-nostdlib?-lstdc++'
22:36 < rxr> - var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE ' ' '-nostdlib?/usr/lib*/libstdc++.so'
22:36 < rxr> # create and set up the xgcc cmd_wrapper
22:36 < rxr> - setup_xgcc_wrapper
22:36 < rxr> +# setup_xgcc_wrapper
22:37 < mnemoc> o.o
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22:39 < rxr> I give up on this libstdc++.la hackery for tonight ...
22:39 < rxr> and I have lots of stuff to do tomorrow ...
22:40 < mnemoc> how was uni?
22:40 < rxr> also
22:40 < mnemoc> ready for you?
22:40 < rxr> but mostly usb debugging for archivista
22:40 < rxr> what is ready ?
22:40 < mnemoc> your new? university
22:42 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
22:43 < rxr> ah - was, ...
22:43 < rxr> yes was there
22:44 < rxr> lecture started with an amazing low of 2 people ...
22:44 < mnemoc> you and the teacher?
22:44 < rxr> no two listeners
22:44 < rxr> a 3rd 15m after the beginning ...
22:44 < rxr> finallly 6 or so after 3h ...
22:45 < mnemoc> 3h on the same lecture?
22:45 < mnemoc> here they are 1:20h
22:46 < rxr> at the applied science thing I'm they are 1:30 but this theory lecture is two blocks ...
22:47 < rxr> so - geode clock set accurately enough for now. ..
22:47 < rxr> n8 all
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23:03 * karasz feels good
23:03 < jsaw> karasz: RUN, GRAB madtux' HAND!!!!!!!!!! FAST!!!!!!!!!!!
23:03 < karasz> thanks madtux
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23:03 < jsaw> karasz: and don't let him go away anymore ;)
23:04 < jsaw> mnemoc: apropos vserver, did you patch strace? (see #vserver chan)
23:04 < madtux> karasz, well just ask
23:05 < karasz> madtux, if you really want you can find my regression at http://www.x5.ro/regression/minimal/regressions.html
23:05 < madtux>
23:05 < jsaw> madtux: the arts compilation needs some attention
23:05 < karasz> mainly is arts failing
23:05 < mnemoc> jsaw: uhm, no.... i don't do anything outside vserver for vserver
23:06 < jsaw> mnemoc: so, I'll make a note on my TODO
23:06 < karasz> madtux, the history is that jsaw pointed me some resolution
23:06 < madtux> mm...
23:06 < karasz> but after aplying it i came across the real problem
23:07 < karasz> some stuff related to libstdc++
23:07 < madtux> i see..
23:07 < karasz> if i understood corectly what rxr said it is a gcc bug
23:07 < karasz> but maybe i am wrong
23:07 < karasz> jsaw,
23:07 < karasz> ?
23:08 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2005/12/0422142713519.patch
23:09 < rxr> ^- when this continues at this pace and they force do to it differently from t2, t2 and rock will barely compare in 1y
23:10 < mnemoc> now i gonna vomit
23:10 < jsaw> o.O
23:11 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
23:12 < madtux> mnemoc, yeah let it all come out..
23:13 < karasz> madtux, i am beaten, i must sleep now but your helpwish is allways appreciated
23:13 < jsaw> karasz: i understand it the same way
23:13 < mnemoc> i don't like how fake solves the issues
23:13 < mnemoc> now i have to move home
23:13 < madtux> karasz, ok
23:13 < karasz> cu guys tommorow
23:13 < karasz> bye
23:13 < morfoh> cu karasz
23:13 < morfoh> cu mnemoc
23:13 < rxr> cu
23:14 < mnemoc> in fact the duplicated and ugly cpp call was what made me vomit
23:14 < mnemoc> ok, cu :)
23:14 < morfoh> ;)
23:15 * mnemoc want foo-%!
23:15 < mnemoc> bye
23:15 < madtux> morfoh, what are u smilling at?
23:15 < madtux> go back to code!
23:15 < jsaw> cu mnemoc
23:16 < madtux> *g*
23:16 < morfoh> madtux: I will never smile anymore ... sorry
23:18 < madtux> morfoh, i'm just kidding bro...
23:18 < madtux> how are u ? :)
23:19 < morfoh> madtux: just kidding too ... I'm quite fine ... thanks ;)
23:19 < morfoh> you too ?
23:19 < madtux> yeah thanks.
23:19 < madtux> :)
23:20 < morfoh> good :)
23:25 < jsaw> gah I'm blind
23:25 < jsaw> I just saw "Building base/libtool" passing by on screen
23:26 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah .. foo-% is needed ... especially for some more optimized targets
23:47 < CIA-1> aldas * r14424 /trunk/package/games/allegro/allegro.desc: * updated allegro (4.2.0-rc2 -> 4.2.0)
23:52 < CIA-1> aldas * r14425 /trunk/package/develop/alternatives/ (Makefile.patch alternatives.desc):
23:52 < CIA-1> * updated alternatives (0.2.0rc3 -> 0.2.0)
23:52 < CIA-1> * removed Makefile.patch - obsolete
23:55 < CIA-1> aldas * r14426 /trunk/package/network/bind/bind.desc: * updated bind (9.2.5 -> 9.3.2)
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