T2 IRC Log: 2005-09-21

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--- Log opened Wed Sep 21 00:00:09 2005
--- Day changed Wed Sep 21 2005
00:00 < _Lewellyn> find /path -type d -exec PATH={}:$PATH;export PATH \;
00:00 < _Lewellyn> ? :)
00:00 < Jeffimix> oh dear god is that kinda syntax allowed?
00:00 < _Lewellyn> or are those folders just symlinks
00:00 < _Lewellyn> allowed? what's wrong with it?
00:00 < Jeffimix> they're real folder
00:00 < Jeffimix> inside of them are stuff like GWorkspace.app
00:01 < _Lewellyn> ah. so they're data files?
00:01 < Jeffimix> no, those're programs
00:01 < Jeffimix> see GnuSTEP has the Openstep API, it's the same setup as apple/cocoa
00:01 < _Lewellyn> copies of the actual apps?
00:01 < Jeffimix> exact same
00:01 < Jeffimix> ever used a mac
00:01 < Jeffimix> rcently
00:01 < _Lewellyn> ya, a .app is a folder
00:01 < Jeffimix> oh wait
00:01 < Jeffimix> yeah
00:01 < Jeffimix> lol
00:01 < Jeffimix> my bad
00:01 < valentin> hi
00:02 < _Lewellyn> with all the binaries and support files inside
00:02 < _Lewellyn> hoi valentin
00:02 < Jeffimix> and inside of the .app folder is the program
00:02 < valentin> yes
00:02 < _Lewellyn> and all of its private libs and stuff
00:02 < valentin> in contents/MacOS/...
00:02 < Jeffimix> now howto add those buggers to my paths
00:02 < _Lewellyn> so you have to make custom versions of the apps for GNUStep?
00:02 < Jeffimix> it's pretty much cross compileable, as long as it works on gnustep
00:03 < Jeffimix> I should find whoever added the gnustep stuff to the package matrix
00:03 < _Lewellyn> that would make gnustep incompatible with almost everything else
00:03 < Jeffimix> naw it works with MacOSX afaik
00:03 < _Lewellyn> it'd make more sense for the .app to have a syumlink to the real app
00:03 < Jeffimix> and old NeXT boxxen
00:03 < _Lewellyn> everything else == xterm, et al
00:03 < Jeffimix> yea
00:03 < _Lewellyn> aka "the rest of the system"
00:04 < Jeffimix> well the apps can't find their libraries right now :<
00:05 < Jeffimix> et cetera I'm gonna rifle through the gnustep website
00:05 < Jeffimix> now that I realize the number of subfolders it spwes, I might just move stuff around or something, dunno
00:06 < Jeffimix> i'm pretty sure gnustep is not a huge project
00:07 < Jeffimix> linux26 doesn't seem to crash in compile now
00:07 < Jeffimix> *crosses fingers*
00:08 < Jeffimix> I'll probly have to reboot for changes to take effect?
00:08 < morfoh> .oO( fucking snort )o
00:08 < Jeffimix> *_*
00:17 < Jeffimix> well I'm gonna go ot for a while, ttyl, thanks for the help (again) T2 is kinda difficult for me, dunno why, cya
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00:18 < _Lewellyn> hm. do the build options change each time a package is built?
00:18 < _Lewellyn> glibc is taking forever this last time
00:19 < _Ragnar_> it changes depending which stage you're in
00:19 < mnemoc> some packages increase their features from one stage to another
00:22 < _Lewellyn> ok. so stage 5 is gonna take a LONG time ;)
00:22 < mnemoc> around 90% of the build time is on stage 5
00:23 < _Lewellyn> since it's package 2 of 103
00:23 < _Lewellyn> so by the time i'm back from class, i can build the boot disks
00:23 < mnemoc> you can build other target in parallel
00:24 < mnemoc> as far as you don't have the luck of building the same package at the same time on both
00:24 < mnemoc> in which case ccache gets broken
00:24 < _Lewellyn> i'll be paranoid :)
00:24 < _Lewellyn> i've got more than enough cpu free and almost no disk io
00:25 < _Lewellyn> which somewhat concerns me
00:25 < mnemoc> :)
00:25 < sepp> good night all
00:25 < _Lewellyn> sleep well sepp
00:25 < mnemoc> bbl
00:25 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp
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00:27 < _Lewellyn> is it safe to use optimization on the bootdisc?
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01:41 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i use pmmx
01:42 < _Lewellyn> ok, so i should be safe enough then
01:42 < _Lewellyn> (i hope)
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01:48 < Jeffimix> re
01:50 < _Lewellyn> re
01:51 < _Lewellyn> how's it goin?
01:56 < Jeffimix> pretty good
01:56 < _Lewellyn> good good
01:56 < Jeffimix> the recompile worked
01:56 < _Lewellyn> good good :)
01:57 < Jeffimix> should I do something with the spca5xx stuff now?
01:57 < _Lewellyn> don't ask me :)
01:58 < Jeffimix> heh
01:58 < _Lewellyn> uh oh....
01:58 < _Lewellyn> crap.
01:58 < _Lewellyn> == 15:42:45 =[5]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11.12 2.1-stable].
01:58 < _Lewellyn> == 16:55:51 =[1]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11.12 2.1-stable].
01:59 < _Lewellyn> i really really really hope ccache doesn't get confused since the latter doesn't use it :)
01:59 < Jeffimix> hrmm?
02:00 < _Lewellyn> 15:23 .: mnemoc: you can build other target in parallel
02:00 < _Lewellyn> 15:24 .: mnemoc: as far as you don't have the luck of building the same package at the same time on both
02:00 < _Lewellyn> 15:24 .: mnemoc: in which case ccache gets broken
02:09 < Jeffimix> what's the equivalent of rc.local in t2
02:10 < _Lewellyn> add a new rc.whatever, that's what i do :)
02:11 < Jeffimix> just under rc.d? ok
02:13 < Jeffimix> anyhow, off again, bbl
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02:15 < _Lewellyn> eh. he disappeared too soon.
02:15 < _Lewellyn> anyway. time to get ready for school
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02:34 < _Lewellyn> classtime
02:34 < _Lewellyn> back later
02:58 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #t2
02:58 < madtux> hello
02:59 < mnemoc> madtux!
02:59 < mnemoc> great to see you around
02:59 < madtux> errr.... thx... great to see you too.
02:59 < mnemoc> i'm always here ;)
03:00 < madtux> your "ghost" doesn't count.
03:00 < madtux> :)
03:01 < mnemoc> i am always here ;)
03:02 < madtux> nerd.
03:02 < madtux> :)
03:03 < mnemoc> :)
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03:34 < madtux> ping mnemoc
03:34 < Jeffimix> ping me
03:35 < madtux> i'm allowed to ping once a day
03:35 < madtux> tomorrow?
03:35 < madtux> ;)
03:36 < Jeffimix> lol
03:41 < mnemoc> :)
03:46 < Jeffimix> gaim is nicer than epic5
03:46 < mnemoc> sure
04:07 < Jeffimix> :P
04:07 < madtux> .
04:07 < Jeffimix> ..
04:08 < madtux> ...
04:10 < Jeffimix> ..
04:10 < Jeffimix> crap I'm beat
04:14 < madtux> ;)
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06:11 < _Lewellyn> madtux: hoi.
06:11 < _Lewellyn> bah. looks like class is emptying out. gonna have to leave in a few.
06:11 < madtux> hello _Lewellyn
06:11 < _Lewellyn> how you been? ltns.
06:11 < madtux> i've been doing ok.... how about u?
06:11 < _Lewellyn> bah. back in a half-hour to an hour. gotta leave class
06:11 < _Lewellyn> been ok otherwise ;)
06:12 * _Lewellyn heads back to the office...
06:12 < madtux> ok
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08:11 < rxr> moin
08:11 < madtux> hi rene
08:11 < rxr> hey miguel!
08:11 < _Ragnar_> hey rene :)
08:13 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
08:54 < rxr> hm - FreeBSD has no /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - it is installed into /usr/X11R6/ and has .../lib/mozilla there ...
09:13 < madtux> [kde-announce] Announcing KDE 3.5 beta1 ("Kanzler")
09:16 < rxr> .oO?
09:19 < rxr> ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/make/
09:45 < valentin> moin
09:45 < rxr> moin valentin
09:47 < rxr> valentin: do we want to package this ugly schily smake?
09:47 < valentin> never lookt at it ...
09:47 < rxr> or due to his bad nature avoid it and hope noone else submits a patch to the list ?
09:47 < valentin> i'll add another package named: k3b-i18n
09:47 < valentin> for some reason we miss that
09:47 < rxr> I guess even if (not checked yet) it would solve the problem I run into right now - we would not like to have exact-build depend on this persons make ?
09:47 < rxr> valentin: oh
09:48 < valentin> you do not want to use god's own make ? *g*
09:48 * rxr installed yet another fedora core test
09:48 < valentin> schily is the best coder in the whole world and the only cdrecording expert
09:48 < rxr> let's depart their mozilla to see where this geneirc /user/lib/mozilla/plugin dir should be used ...
09:49 < rxr> valentin: exactly - and the only one able to create a decent - state of the art - OS
09:50 < rxr> if I start adding modular X we might have over 1900 packages until linux world expo ,-)
09:52 < CIA-9> aldas * r12035 /trunk/package/www/elinks/ (. elinks.cache elinks.desc elinks.patch): * added elinks (0.10.6)
09:53 < rxr> maybe we should be as l33t as Fedora Core, and start the X server as first process to be able to have an equally pretty colorful bootup and status display ...
09:53 < Baldzius> good morning :)
09:53 < rxr> maybe we should patch X.org into the kernel and display that even early ...
09:54 < rxr> like X.org ........ booting ....... done.
09:54 < rxr> moin Baldzius
09:54 < Baldzius> hi rxr
09:55 < rxr> argl - my FC install does not include strace ... - grummel
10:00 < rxr> hm - and the FC package manager sucks
10:00 < rxr> no list of packages, the damn topics content not alphabetically sorted and no serach facility
10:00 < rxr> no idea where they have strace - maybe not at all - at least not at the obvious places
10:04 < rxr> hahaha - and manual selecting results in compalains about xyz not installed - installer can not proceed until they are installed
10:04 < rxr> my oh my ...
10:38 < CIA-9> valentin * r12036 /trunk/package/kde/k3b-i18n/ (. k3b-i18n.desc): * added translations for k3b 0.12.x
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11:03 < rxr> valentin: in a tiny, syntetic example make's implicit rules behave as expected:
11:03 < rxr> # make _BuildFiles/test
11:03 < rxr> cc -o _BuildFiles/test.o -c src/test.c
11:03 < rxr> cc -o _BuildFiles/foo.o -c src/foo.c
11:03 < rxr> cc -o _BuildFiles/test _BuildFiles/test.o
11:03 < rxr> rm _BuildFiles/foo.o _BuildFiles/test.o
11:03 < rxr> _BuildFiles/%.o : src/%.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ -c $<
11:03 < rxr> _BuildFiles/% : _BuildFiles/%.o _BuildFiles/foo.o $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ $<
11:05 < rxr> cool - was a thinko on my side
11:05 < rxr> maybe I have multi targets per module in some minutes
11:09 < rxr> valentin: cool - works - try HEAD ,-)
11:11 * rxr now migrating hotplug++ to exact-build ...
11:11 < rxr> I think the last project left
11:11 < rxr> beside the currently not really used parts of gsmp
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11:28 < rxr> moin morfoh_
11:31 < valentin> rxr: do you have any idea why
11:32 < valentin> splashimage (cd)/boot/senioros.xpm.gz
11:32 < valentin> works for the cd, whereas
11:32 < morfoh_> hi rxr, valentin
11:32 < valentin> splashimage (hd0,2)/boot/senioros.xpm.gz
11:32 < valentin> does not work after install to disk ?
11:33 < valentin> maybe the grub version installed does not feature bootsplash ?
11:33 < rxr> valentin: not included in the CD image and thus not on the disk ?
11:33 < valentin> hi morfoh_
11:34 < valentin> rxr: it is included on the disk of course, i copied it
11:34 < valentin> i know that /boot/ on the cd is outside the squash
11:34 < jsaw> re
11:34 < rxr> well - then maybe the grub does not feature bootsplash
11:34 < valentin> hi jsaw
11:35 < rxr> inject the grub stage files from my haudraufinix
11:35 < jsaw> hi valentin
11:35 < jsaw> hi rxr
11:35 < valentin> i feared that... well, not so urgent
11:35 < morfoh_> hi jsaw
11:35 < jsaw> hi morfoh_
11:35 < rxr> hi jsaw
11:35 < rxr> jsaw: I converted hotplug++ to new exact-build makefile system
11:35 < rxr> install is missing - the rest if sine
11:35 < jsaw> read it
11:35 < valentin> anyone knows how to include flashplayer in a firefox build ?
11:35 < rxr> make -j 100 works fine and without parallel glitches
11:35 < rxr> valentin: flashplayer into a build ?
11:36 < rxr> valentin: just deflate the binary from them in the mozilla plugin dir
11:36 < jsaw> 1801 builds total, 1341 completed fine, 118 with errors.
11:36 < valentin> rxr: that alone works ?
11:36 < valentin> i am no flash expert :)
11:36 < valentin> thanks rxr, i'll try
11:36 < rxr> valentin: yes - you only need to extract the binary only flash player plugin into a plugin dir searched by fierfox
11:37 < rxr> though currently our mozilla* crap has some issue not looking into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - which I think is a bug
11:37 < rxr> use the users $HOME/.mozilla/plugins instead and it will be fine
11:37 < jsaw> rxr: did you try "$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/plugins" ?
11:37 < rxr> until I tracked why this beast does not look into the system dir
11:38 < rxr> jsaw: no - would that not make the application error out due all the other .so and so files not found there?
11:38 < rxr> ad the real $1-bin ?
11:38 < jsaw> rxr: here, mplayerplug-in.so is in that directory and works fine
11:39 < rxr> do you export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME ?
11:39 < morfoh_> btw, i'd propose adding a snort-rules package because rules are not included in snort source distribution anymore
11:39 < jsaw> /etc/profile.d/mozilla
11:39 < rxr> well - it is no in trunk, right ?
11:39 < jsaw> old installation, very old...
11:40 < rxr> what should we do - add such a profile.d to each mozilla package?
11:40 < rxr> we could also patch the beats startup script to include /usr/lib/mozilla automagically ...
11:40 < rxr> redhat^WFedora Core does also mess around with that startup script
11:40 < rxr> though I have not read over it too closely because I thought it would be more likely some compile time issue
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11:46 < jsaw> rxr: strings libxpcom.so -> MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH
11:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12037 /trunk/package/base/man/man.desc: * updated man (1.6a -> 1.6b) - seems to finally fix parallel make
11:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12038 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
11:49 < rxr> ok - despite instal:: needs to be adde to exact-build so far I'm quite happy with it
11:50 < jsaw> rxr: export MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ; mozilla
11:50 < jsaw> ^-- works
11:54 * rxr hugs jsaw
11:54 < jsaw> :)
11:54 < rxr> right works fine here as well - firefox as well
11:54 < rxr> let's patch the startup files, or?
11:55 < rxr> one profile.d for each of these beasts is a bit much, isn't it?
11:55 < jsaw> yeah, but I'd actually prefer a postinstall script which checks for a file with MOZ_... setting
11:56 < jsaw> but sysfiles is fine with me also
11:56 < rxr> jsaw: ?
11:57 < rxr> well - you install mozilla, all is fine. you install firefox, postinstall sees no MOZ_ in profile.d and does nothing - you remove mozilla and firefox stops working?
11:57 < jsaw> postinstall files are not recoreded in the flist, are they?
11:57 < jsaw> ok, then sysfiles
11:58 < rxr> well - our postinstall integration sucks anyway
11:58 < rxr> in a we should do some postinstall week and implement it in all the many missing places
11:59 < rxr> jsaw: why not patch the beasts startup script ?
11:59 < jsaw> I just wanted to express, that if I do not install X11 stuff I'd prefer not to have any config for that...
11:59 < jsaw> rxr: that's even better
11:59 < rxr> 11:54 < rxr> let's patch the startup files, or?
11:59 < jsaw> oh
11:59 < jsaw> I missunderstood
12:00 < jsaw> thought you were talking about /etc/profile.d files
12:00 * jsaw is pressing [<<]
12:01 < rxr> ,-)
12:01 < rxr> ok - I go and patch those
12:02 < jsaw> btw, firefox 1.0.7 released
12:03 < rxr> jsaw: ack - curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404
12:03 < rxr> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 22. Please read the curl manpage.
12:03 < rxr> Creating cksum.patch ...
12:03 < rxr> !!! File not present: download/mirror/f/firefox-1.0.7-source.tar.bz2
12:03 < jsaw> tststs
12:04 < rxr> as usual they release everything but the source and then - some time later - the source if someone feels to
12:04 < jsaw> *gah*
12:10 < rxr> yuck
12:10 < rxr> konqueror works for me ,-)
12:20 < rxr> so - damn crap - /me now checking out the full fedora core junk
12:21 < rxr> viewcvs is to limitted to browse their ugly RPM style junk
12:21 < rxr> man - I know why we have T2 and not this hell of a build system ...
12:22 < rxr> .oO
12:22 < rxr> how many patches do they throw into gcc ... - my oh my ...
12:27 < rxr> cool - fedora core has nvi - mabe I can rip out some patch to fix segfaulting on x86-64 ,-)
12:37 < rxr> hm - there is a newer nvi even:
12:38 < rxr> ftp://ftp.foretune.co.jp/pub/tools/nvi
12:39 < rxr> http://www.kotnet.org/~skimo/nvi/devel/
12:42 < rxr> oehm - ah!
12:42 < rxr> RedHat^WFedora Core is replacing the whole mozilla.sh.in !
12:42 < rxr> same for firefox
12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r12039 /trunk/package/www/ (firefox/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch mozilla/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch):
12:55 < CIA-9> * patched mozilla and firefox to find the plugins placed in the
12:55 < CIA-9> system mozilla plugin directory (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins)
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13:32 < rxr> ouhm - now I get all the video shockwave commercials in konqueror - uhm
13:34 < Baldzius> :))))
13:36 < rxr> jsaw: rewriting embeddedSTL streams in real C++ and the standard set of classes (so e.g. my pstream would work) is quite high on my TODO list now ... ,-)
13:37 * rxr searching for some lunch
13:53 < CIA-9> aldas * r12040 /trunk/package/develop/newt/ (. compile-fix.patch deplist-fix.patch newt.cache newt.desc): * added newt (0.51.6)
14:24 < jsaw> rxr: nice
14:24 < jsaw> cu all
14:26 < valentin> rxr: when shall i come over ?
14:27 < rxr> valentin: if you like to , sure
14:27 * rxr is here
14:28 < rxr> oh - when - well - when you like ,-)
14:28 < rxr> Baldzius: what is newt about?
14:28 < Baldzius> rxr: partimage requires it
14:28 < rxr> Baldzius: oh
14:29 < Baldzius> so i'am 1 step closer to partimage :)
14:30 < rxr> ,-)
14:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12041 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.conf: * fixed (hopefully) firefox component registration (untested)
15:28 < rxr> hehe - daja and I moron in the #firefox channel about the missing source ...
15:28 < rxr> 14:49 < rxr> hi all
15:28 < rxr> 14:49 < rxr> what is the rational behind the relasing the source last for every new release of firefox out there?
15:28 < rxr> 5:01 < daja77> hi can somebody tell where I get the 1.0.7 firefox source?
15:28 < rxr> 15:25 < rxr> hi daja77
15:28 < rxr> 15:25 < rxr> 14:49 < rxr> what is the rational behind the relasing the source last for every new release of firefox out there?
15:28 < rxr> 15:25 < daja77> oh hi rxr
15:28 < rxr> 15:26 < daja77> so you are waiting too
15:28 < rxr> 15:26 < rxr> daja77: well - more "waiting like for any release's source to appear out of a dusty dark corner days before the windows binary saw the light of the world"
15:28 < rxr> 15:27 < daja77> strange policy
15:28 < rxr> 15:27 < daja77> I'd like to package it now ...
15:28 < rxr> 15:27 < rxr> daja77: yeah, ...
15:28 < rxr> 15:28 < rxr> maybe we should drop this buggy slow browser - konqueror always works for me (tm)
15:28 < rxr> 15:28 < daja77> and opera is free to use too ;)
15:31 < valentin> hehe
15:32 < valentin> what did they answer ?
15:32 < rxr> nothing
15:32 < rxr> dead channel
15:32 [Users #t2]
15:32 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9] [ mnemoc] [ nzg] [ SerWou ]
15:32 [ _Lewellyn] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin]
15:32 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
15:32 < valentin> rxr: i prepare to leave ...
15:32 < rxr> ok - cu then
15:32 < valentin> when will you drive to your parents ? tomorow ?
15:33 < rxr> there will be some postal sticker on the house door I think
15:33 < rxr> you could bring that with in if it is still there when you arrive
15:33 < rxr> friday I think
15:35 < valentin> postal sticker on the house door ?
15:36 < valentin> in your letterbox ?
15:36 < rxr> I think on the front
15:36 < valentin> oehm - ok...
15:37 < rxr> dont forget the camera ,-)
15:37 < rxr> kamera even ,-)
15:37 < valentin> hehe - nope.
15:38 < valentin> what camera ? did i mention i have a new one ^^ ?
15:39 < valentin> can kerstin come with me ?
15:40 < rxr> sure
15:40 < rxr> and janna I guess ?
15:45 < valentin> of course :)
15:45 < valentin> ok, cu then
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16:09 < daja77> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/21/1252213
16:09 < daja77> ...
16:11 < rxr> hi daja77
16:12 < rxr> daja77: hahaha
16:12 < daja77> this is so ridiculous
16:28 < daja77> 16:15 < clifford> how is T2 doing btw?
16:28 < daja77> hm actually I have no idea
16:35 < rxr> t2 is doing well - @r12041
16:36 < daja77> *gg*
16:40 < rxr> from our update rate I guess nearly half of the packages are more up-to-date and many bugs fixed as well ...
16:40 < rxr> and we have a lot of new packages
16:41 < rxr> 1842 at the moment
16:42 < daja77> any fundamental changes compared to rock 2.0?
16:42 < rxr> oeh - yes - a lot
16:43 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html
16:43 < rxr> ^- has some docu
16:43 < rxr> but it does not list all
16:43 < rxr> best run diff and be astonished ,-)
16:44 < daja77> guess that would be confusing
16:44 < daja77> especially when running against rock trunk (3.0)
16:45 < mnemoc> moin
16:46 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr
16:46 < rxr> moin mnemoc
16:48 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget target inherence ;)
16:48 < mnemoc> rxr: and automatic fallback to original location when mirror doesn't have the file
16:49 < mnemoc> rxr: custextract, and zip autoextract are also good things
16:50 < daja77> the fallback is new?
16:50 < mnemoc> i don't know if i added it on rock or t2 :\
16:50 * mnemoc puzzled
16:51 < daja77> both ^^
16:51 < mnemoc> :p
16:51 < mnemoc> full dietlibc and uclibc support are also good things
16:52 < daja77> kde linked against dietlibc?
16:52 < mnemoc> but we don't have pkg-fork-like, pkg-split-like or large crosscompiling
16:52 < mnemoc> at least against uclibc it does.... i don't use dietlibc :p
16:53 < mnemoc> how is the emulated-native cross compiling called on ROCK?
16:54 < daja77> cross-native build iirc
16:54 < mnemoc> does it work fine?
16:54 < daja77> can't tell
16:55 < mnemoc> :)
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18:13 < Postal> Hey all
18:13 < Postal> I finally have a computer again
18:14 < Postal> anyway just wanted to stop by to say hello and that time permiting i will be back about 4:30pm est
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18:41 < CIA-9> chris * r12042 /trunk/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc):
18:41 < CIA-9> * updated snort (2.3.3 -> 2.4.0)
18:41 < CIA-9> * fixed and cleaned up snort.conf, but still needs a lot of improvements
18:41 < CIA-9> * Note: snort rules and contrib stuff are not included anymore in the source distribution
18:48 < CIA-9> chris * r12043 /trunk/package/security/snort/snort.desc:
18:48 < CIA-9> * updated snort (2.4.0 -> 2.4.1)
18:48 < CIA-9> * Note: this update includes some important updates! For more information see -> http://www.snort.org/docs/release_notes/release_notes_241.txt
18:50 < CIA-9> rene * r12044 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added mozplugger to the archivista target
18:52 < mnemoc> how is brlcad started? o.o
18:52 < mnemoc> it has literaly hundred binaries
18:54 < Baldzius> :)
18:54 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i started it once, but can't remember now :)
19:04 < mnemoc> mged :p
19:04 < CIA-9> rene * r12045 /trunk/target/archivista/ (build_image.sh pdf.patch):
19:04 < CIA-9> * patched the archivista server side perl code to form a URL that can
19:04 < CIA-9> be recognized by the pdf downloader extension of mozilla / firefox
19:04 < CIA-9> (temporary fix only - the extension should at some point look into
19:04 < CIA-9> the mime type ...)
19:11 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:12 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:12 < _Ragnar_> hi rene
19:13 < rxr> maybe we should switch to CVS checkouts for firefox / mozilla - when they need over a day to hand us the source ...
19:13 < _Ragnar_> *g*
19:13 < rxr> ouhm - my accus are again popping ...
19:13 < rxr> damn things ...
19:14 < rxr> they get hot like hell in this high tech, hich AMP charger ...
19:14 < rxr> never ever will I invest into conrad accus again ...
19:14 < rxr> and this people did not wanted to have them back - they claim it is normal and they will not explode ...
19:14 < rxr> :-(
19:18 < CIA-9> rene * r12046 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/mozpluggerrc: * made xpdf the default pdf plugin for the mozilla family in target/archivista
19:19 < rxr> damn - and why are so many more planes flying over this flat since a few days ...
19:20 < rxr> well - I have this self-made, fet with a mp3 stream, AMP on the desk, but ...
19:22 < _Ragnar_> rxr: conrad sucks, indeed
19:29 < rxr> yeah, ...
19:30 < rxr> 10EUR for 2 high capacity 2400mAh NMh mingon cells is enough ...
19:30 < rxr> though next time I will pay the panasonic or so extra fee ...
19:31 < rxr> in the hope thoses do not include this insterestingly scaring popping and cracking sound ...
19:33 < rxr> hm - amd I blind or is this the same match twice:
19:33 < rxr> LINK CXX Linux-i386/tests/pstream.o
19:33 < rxr> tests/pstream.cc: In function `int main()':
19:33 < rxr> tests/pstream.cc:19: error: request for member `rdbuf' is ambiguous
19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:179: error: candidates are: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf(std::basic_streambuf*)
19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: candidates are: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const
19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:179: error: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf(std::basic_streambuf*)
19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const
19:36 < rxr> tests/pstream.cc:19: error: request for member `rdbuf' is ambiguous
19:36 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: candidates are: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const
19:36 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const
19:36 < rxr> ^- what the heck
19:36 < rxr> is this some gcc bug or whatever with multiple inheritance ... ?
19:41 < rxr> next plane
19:41 < rxr> I wonder what the h*ll is going on here ...
19:41 < rxr> I never ever had so many planes here - especially not directly over this house ...
19:42 < _Ragnar_> o_o
19:43 < rxr> maybe some special flights for this annoying politicans all trying to become Kanzler ?
19:43 < rxr> in that case morpho's rocket luncher would indeed be nice to have
19:45 < _Ragnar_> indeed
19:45 < _Ragnar_> :)
19:50 < _Lewellyn> bah. neither the mnemosyne2 target nor the boot disc built properly :/
19:50 < mnemoc> uhm?
19:51 < _Lewellyn> one moment. putting files online :)
19:53 < rxr> boot disc in trunk is WIP, to be changed drastically - I hope you work on stable if you want a smooth build ,-)
19:53 * rxr soon of
19:53 < _Lewellyn> this is stable, yes...
19:54 * mnemoc want to see that
19:54 < _Lewellyn> server ns1.above.net
19:54 < _Lewellyn> erp
19:54 < CIA-9> rene * r12047 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.template: * fixed archivista/rootfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.template overlay patch
19:58 < _Lewellyn> is there anything other than the output that will be useful?
19:58 < _Lewellyn> huh. the bootdisc built fine this time.
19:58 < _Lewellyn> (or so it said, i'll put up the original errors, still.
19:59 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/
19:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: misc/archive/RegressionsReport.sh
20:00 < CIA-9> rene * r12048 /trunk/package/www/ (firefox/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch mozilla/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch):
20:00 < CIA-9> * fixed thinko in new MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patchs: use static path, not
20:00 < CIA-9> depending on the install prefix and mozilla variant name
20:00 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: bootdisk = SPP oddity
20:00 * rxr preparing to leave - su when I arrive over @ susan ... ,-)
20:01 < _Lewellyn> have fun :)
20:01 < _Lewellyn> ok, so the bootdisk should be fine then
20:01 < _Lewellyn> i'll put up the regressions asap
20:02 < mnemoc> asterisk... uhm... uhm
20:02 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg asterisk -oldconfig works fine?
20:02 < _Lewellyn> ya. it clobbers the screen when i don't redirect the output, so i don't know what was there just before :/
20:02 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i'll try after the regression report
20:03 < mnemoc> 2>&1 > config_fubar
20:04 < _Lewellyn> that's the only way i got anything up on the web ;)
20:04 < _Lewellyn> i'm really curious what happened before, though.
20:04 < _Lewellyn> my xterm scrollback was funky
20:05 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg asterisk -oldconfig 2>&1 > config_fubar
20:05 < rxr> still no firefox source - ...
20:05 < rxr> so - cu soon
20:05 < _Lewellyn> again, have fun :)
20:11 < daja77> the firefox hp only talks about products ...
20:11 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: reload :)
20:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: # ./scripts/Config -cfg officedesktop -oldconfig
20:12 < mnemoc> Creating configuration script.
20:12 < mnemoc> T2 2.1-stable configuration ...
20:12 < mnemoc> New config written to config/officedesktop/*.
20:12 < mnemoc> Cleaning up. Configuration finished.
20:12 < _Lewellyn> that's oldconfig.txt
20:12 < mnemoc> anything else is a bug
20:12 < _Lewellyn> the regressions are there, too
20:13 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: is your host a T2?
20:13 < mnemoc> run Build-Target -cfg bootdisk again
20:14 < _Lewellyn> my host is rock. somewhere between 2.0.1 and 2.0.4
20:14 < mnemoc> uhm qmail needs nroff
20:14 < _Lewellyn> and the bootdisk worked the second time.
20:15 < mnemoc> ezmlm too
20:15 < _Lewellyn> why is it trying to build ezmlm? that was something i found odd
20:15 < mnemoc> if you select qmail you get ezmlm
20:16 < _Lewellyn> oh
20:16 < mnemoc> cat target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Services/Mail/MTA.qmail.choice
20:17 < mnemoc> those modules need refactoring anyway
20:18 < _Lewellyn> ah
20:19 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: grep SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_DOC config/asterisk/config
20:19 < mnemoc> why qmail on your asterisk server and not nullmailer?
20:21 < _Lewellyn> what is nullmailer?
20:21 < _Lewellyn> we need it to be able to send email upon vairous machine failures, and qmail was the only mailer
20:21 < mnemoc> an MTA which simply pass the ball to another smtp :p
20:21 < _Lewellyn> AH
20:21 < mnemoc> the only mailer on the selection?
20:21 < _Lewellyn> that's what i want, yes
20:22 < _Lewellyn> i thought nullmailer was a "will build nothing" choice
20:22 < mnemoc> :)
20:22 < mnemoc> nullmailer is what most people need
20:23 < _Lewellyn> :)
20:24 < mnemoc> # cat target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Console/DOC.minimal.choice
20:24 < mnemoc> #Description: Usual Documentation
20:24 < mnemoc> #Imply: minimal
20:24 < _Lewellyn> help text++
20:24 < mnemoc> pff
20:24 < _Lewellyn> ;)
20:24 < mnemoc> DOC.minimal is self referencing :p
20:24 < _Lewellyn> yes
20:24 < mnemoc> it should say: #Imply: core
20:24 < _Lewellyn> you can't choose Usual, either.
20:25 < _Lewellyn> i tried
20:25 < _Lewellyn> i prefer to have more man pages than truly necessary
20:25 < _Lewellyn> never know when you want them :)
20:25 < mnemoc> fix that line and try again :)
20:30 < _Lewellyn> nope. choosing Usual displays "minimal" still
20:30 < mnemoc> Usual==minimal
20:30 < _Lewellyn> oh.
20:30 < mnemoc> bad naming i guess
20:30 < valentin> re
20:31 < _Lewellyn> the menu has 2 choices: Minimal Documentation and Usual Documentation
20:31 < _Lewellyn> re valentin
20:31 < mnemoc> and minimal is core
20:31 < mnemoc> very bad naming
20:31 < _Lewellyn> bad naming then, yes.
20:31 < valentin> re
20:31 < _Lewellyn> i was confused and decided "screw it" and continued onward.
20:32 < mnemoc> you prefer: "minimal and usual" or "core and minimal" ?
20:32 < _Lewellyn> Core and Usual ;)
20:32 < mnemoc> wb valentin
20:32 * mnemoc fixing
20:32 < _Lewellyn> having minimal impies a larger set someplace
20:33 < _Lewellyn> and if you can never choose a larger set, the name is kinda odd
20:33 < mnemoc> :)
20:34 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: svn up Console dir
20:34 < valentin> hi mnemoc, _Lewellyn
20:37 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: css for regressions report is welcomed :)
20:39 < _Lewellyn> gar. svn: Won't delete locally modified file 'DOC.minimal.choice'
20:40 < _Lewellyn> i can worry about that at lunctime, yes? :)
20:40 < _Lewellyn> (the css)
20:40 < mnemoc> rm the file if your changes are part of DOC.usual.choice
20:41 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: great :)
20:42 < _Lewellyn> hrm. i dislike that behavior of svn.
20:42 < _Lewellyn> it refused to continue updating after it hit that unremoveable file.
20:43 < mnemoc> safety
20:43 < mnemoc> :)
20:43 < _Lewellyn> i think half an update is far less safe than a spare file :)
20:43 < mnemoc> :)
20:44 < _Lewellyn> hrm. what sort of css? just to remove the table-based layout?
20:45 < _Lewellyn> i think the inner tables are appropriate.
20:45 < mnemoc> just to make it look nicer :)
20:45 < _Lewellyn> i think it looks perfectly nice and functional as it is :)
20:45 < mnemoc> really?
20:45 < mnemoc> thanks :p
20:46 < _Lewellyn> my only complaint would be the columns of colons
20:46 < _Lewellyn> yes
20:46 < mnemoc> send patches :)
20:46 < mnemoc> i suck doing UI, and that page is not the exception
20:50 < _Lewellyn> remember that minimal is generally a good idea for pages with lots of data :)
20:50 < _Lewellyn> (look at google, for an example)
20:51 < _Lewellyn> so, is it safe for me to Build-Target again?
20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: -: input contains a loop:
20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_ZOPE
20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_PYTHON
20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK
20:52 < _Lewellyn> Died at ./target/mnemosyne2/mnemosyne.pl line 258, line 80.
20:52 < _Lewellyn> mnemosyne.pl failed!
20:52 < _Lewellyn> :(
20:52 < mnemoc> i just commited a fix for that :p
20:52 < _Lewellyn> (that order is backwards, too...)
20:52 < mnemoc> a hack, not a fix
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20:53 < mnemoc> i made ZOPE force NETWORK instead of depending on it :(
20:53 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
20:53 < _Lewellyn> what is devtools?
20:53 < _Lewellyn> hoi morfoh
20:53 < morfoh> hey mnemoc, _Lewellyn :)
20:53 < mnemoc> stuff needed to build T2
20:53 < _Lewellyn> so not gcc & family?
20:53 < mnemoc> nope
20:54 < mnemoc> that is always enabled :)
20:54 < _Lewellyn> but stuff required to say... Emerge-Pkg?
20:54 < mnemoc> not really
20:54 < mnemoc> but subversion is part of it iirc
20:54 < _Lewellyn> so, it's safe to leave it off...
20:54 < _Lewellyn> where is cvs?
20:55 < morfoh> fortunately Emerge_pkg is not mandantory ;)
20:55 < _Lewellyn> i just realized a few mins ago that i didn't see it.
20:55 < mnemoc> cvs,tla and svn are on DEVTOOLS module
20:55 < _Lewellyn> so devtools is needed, then
20:55 < mnemoc> on some contexts, yes
20:56 < _Lewellyn> well, for me :)
20:56 < mnemoc> :)
20:56 < mnemoc> basic compiler is always there because we need it to build the target, and currently we can't filter what is installed on a nice way
20:56 < _Lewellyn> what is Director?
20:57 < morfoh> :(
20:57 < mnemoc> lvs
20:57 * _Lewellyn needs to write some help text, i think...
20:57 < _Lewellyn> lvs?
20:57 < mnemoc> :)
20:57 < mnemoc> www.linux-vs.org
20:57 < mnemoc> + www.keepalived.org
20:58 < _Lewellyn> so, not needed for me.
20:58 < mnemoc> a director stands on front of a pseudo-cluster to balance load, fail tolerance, etc...
20:58 < morfoh> .oO( welcome to mnemoc's and morfoh's buzzword bingo )o :)
20:58 < _Lewellyn> and is "ftp" only the server, or the client, too?
20:58 < mnemoc> only server
20:59 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: heh. a coworker is pseudo-famous thanks to his bullshit bingo site :)
20:59 < mnemoc> twoftpd to me precise
20:59 < _Lewellyn> http://www.perkigoth.com/home/kermit/stuff/bullshitbingo/
20:59 < mnemoc> *click*
20:59 < morfoh> *clack*
21:00 < _Lewellyn> yaknow, it's really too bad that ncftpd isn't free.
21:00 < _Lewellyn> that's a nice ftpd :(
21:00 < mnemoc> twoftpd is nicer :)
21:00 < _Lewellyn> oh? how so?
21:00 < morfoh> pureftpd !!!
21:01 < _Lewellyn> i really like that it will push a tarball at the client instead of making the client open up the directory tree on a recursive get
21:01 < mnemoc> yes, pureftpd is quite decent
21:01 < mnemoc> but twoftpd is better :)
21:01 < _Lewellyn> it's got some nice statistics reporting (and almost attractive to boot!) too
21:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps :p
21:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ?
21:02 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: does twoftpd do the auto tarring of directories and have pretty statistical reports that you can pull up in a meeting to change the subject? :)
21:02 < mnemoc> faster, simpler, cleaner
21:02 < _Lewellyn> also, is 4 a good number for "Maximum number of jobs to be executed in parallel"?
21:02 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i also hate IMAP servers which can be used to send mails
21:03 < _Lewellyn> that i hate, too.
21:03 < _Lewellyn> especially if they allow anon imap :(
21:03 < rxr> re
21:03 < _Lewellyn> re rxr
21:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: why do you hate IMAP ?
21:03 < mnemoc> morfoh: i love IMAP
21:04 < _Lewellyn> not imap. imap sendmail
21:04 < mnemoc> wb rxr
21:04 < _Lewellyn> where you don't use a separate mailserver for sending and recieving.
21:04 < morfoh> ic
21:04 < _Lewellyn> just stick the message in the right place and it's gone.
21:07 < _Lewellyn> also, why did that svn up remove all my config options, btw?
21:07 < mnemoc> i prefer to use a robust smtp, instead of just 'injecting' messages :)
21:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: it doesn't
21:07 < _Lewellyn> well, most. not all.
21:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: Ctrl-C does
21:07 < _Lewellyn> i had to reselect most of the items.
21:08 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: aborting Config is something to avoid
21:08 < _Lewellyn> hm. that also is bad, but i don't think that was it.
21:09 < mnemoc> rxr: engage fails to build if 'e' is installed
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21:10 < _Lewellyn> urk. it's going to rebuild everything now, and not use the existing packages? :(
21:10 < _Lewellyn> oh. nevermind. i guess htere are just some new things
21:10 < mnemoc> uhm?
21:10 < mnemoc> if you changed optimization, config name or target, the thing is rebuilt
21:10 < mnemoc> if not build/foo-* is continued
21:10 < _Lewellyn> texinfo was disabled before
21:11 < mnemoc> DOC.minimal thing
21:11 < _Lewellyn> yar
21:11 < mnemoc> but the packages already built wont be rebuild
21:11 < _Lewellyn> so i'm seeing :)
21:12 < _Lewellyn> and upping the parallelism to 7 is far better at eating cpu :)
21:12 < mnemoc> :)
21:12 < _Lewellyn> i think i'll need 10, but i feel that is too large to be actually used.
21:13 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to ask work if i can host a amd64 build box here on an externalish vlan.
21:13 < _Lewellyn> if so, i think i found a NICE intel em64t box for about $600.
21:13 < _Lewellyn> amd64 is pricier, oddly enough
21:14 < mnemoc> :)
21:16 < _Lewellyn> build failed again.
21:16 < _Lewellyn> :(
21:16 < _Lewellyn> asterisk2.txt at the same url as before
21:16 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/asterisk2.txt
21:17 < mnemoc> that is not a failure
21:17 < mnemoc> just a report
21:17 < _Lewellyn> then why is ser not found?
21:17 < _Lewellyn> and nullmailer?
21:17 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg asterisk
21:17 < _Lewellyn> which it just built like 30 secs prior?
21:17 < _Lewellyn> 188 builds total, 177 completed fine, 11 with errors.
21:17 < _Lewellyn> i see
21:18 < mnemoc> and mono and qmail where enabled before, but not now
21:18 < mnemoc> were*
21:18 < mnemoc> so you have to remove them to stop seeing the scream :)
21:18 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg asterisk -remove qmail mono ezmlm checkpassword
21:19 < mnemoc> also remove the failed packages
21:19 < mnemoc> to let them rebuild
21:19 < _Lewellyn> ok, and how can i force the failed packages to rebuild?
21:19 < _Lewellyn> oh
21:19 < mnemoc> or at Config
21:19 < mnemoc> (4) Continue if package-build fails after stage 4
21:19 < mnemoc> [ ] Retry building broken packages
21:20 < _Lewellyn> hrm. i probably should have turned off the ansi output, too...
21:22 < _Lewellyn> also, what depends on mono?
21:22 < _Lewellyn> it's something i never selected but it seems to have built anyway
21:23 < mnemoc> ASP.NET maybe
21:23 < _Lewellyn> and how do i empty the compiler cache for a package?
21:23 < _Lewellyn> nope. no need for any .netness
21:23 < mnemoc> rm -rf build/cache-foo/package :)
21:23 < _Lewellyn> ok :)
21:23 < _Lewellyn> iptables is funky
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[32;1m->ESC[0m Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (78 hits, 0 misses)
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m iptables.o(.text+0x22ed): In function `delete_chain':
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m iptables.c: undefined reference to `iptc_delete_chain'
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m iptables.o(.text+0x231b):iptables.c: undefined reference ..
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m make: *** [iptables-save] Error 1
21:24 < mnemoc> on iptables.desc add [F] NOPARALLEL
21:24 < mnemoc> below [C]
21:24 < _Lewellyn> ok.
21:24 < mnemoc> or patch it's Makefile to support parallelism properly
21:25 < _Lewellyn> how would i do that?
21:25 < _Lewellyn> wait no
21:25 < _Lewellyn> i'm more interested in getting it going first :)
21:25 < mnemoc> add the flag then :)
21:26 < _Lewellyn> i did :)
21:26 < daja77> firefox src is now available
21:27 < _Lewellyn> hrm... it seems to be complaining that downloads aren't found... and i've run Download a few times. :/
21:27 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: the first try is on the mirrror, the second on the original download location considering possible translations done by misc/share/DownloadTranslations
21:28 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: my mirrors are perfectly up-to-date, but they are slow :\
21:28 < _Lewellyn> it seems to not even try downloading these
21:29 < _Lewellyn> i'm running ./scripts/Download -required -cfg asterisk
21:29 < mnemoc> -cfg asterisk -required
21:30 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download -required -cfg asterisk == config=default :D
21:30 < _Lewellyn> aha. they're all giving 404s
21:30 < valentin> damn, my wireless AP is in a permanent reset cycle
21:30 < mnemoc> on mirror or original download lcoation?
21:30 < _Lewellyn> unsure how to read it.
21:30 < _Lewellyn> one sec
21:30 < mnemoc> valentin: you need a new AP :(
21:31 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/Download.txt
21:32 < mnemoc> both
21:32 < mnemoc> change your mirror :p
21:33 < _Lewellyn> it chose nexus.tfh-berlin.de this time, and 404s still
21:33 < mnemoc> inject mine for now
21:33 < _Lewellyn> what's the url?
21:33 < mnemoc> messaged
21:33 < _Lewellyn> thanks
21:38 < _Lewellyn> so, why are the options order dependent?
21:39 < mnemoc> what options?
21:40 < _Lewellyn> for Download :)
21:40 < mnemoc> because the 'parser' is dumb
21:40 < _Lewellyn> that should be fixed. perhaps i'll see if i can help that later :)
21:40 < _Lewellyn> hrm.
21:40 < _Lewellyn> links won't build
21:40 < mnemoc> ?
21:40 < _Lewellyn> no libpng
21:41 < _Lewellyn> which shouldn't even be necessary
21:41 < mnemoc> oops
21:41 < _Lewellyn> i've got no X
21:41 < mnemoc> i forgot to fix that.... minute
21:42 < CIA-9> amery * r12049 /trunk/package/www/links/links.conf: * fixed links by enabling graphic mode only if libpng is available
21:43 < _Lewellyn> i'll svn up after the builds are done this time
21:43 < rxr> re
21:43 < _Lewellyn> rere rxr
21:43 < mnemoc> wb rxr
21:45 < CIA-9> amery * r12050 /branches/2.1/package/www/links/links.conf: * merged 12049 from trunk: fixed links by enabling graphic mode only if libpng is available
21:46 < rxr> firefox source appear
21:46 < rxr> update in some seconds++
21:46 < mnemoc> 14.5% :\
21:47 < mnemoc> morfoh: Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/C/Community-Rules-2.4.tar.gz.cksum-err (2168602392)
21:49 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: did you got the files?
21:49 < _Lewellyn> yes
21:49 < _Lewellyn> ser is building now
21:49 < mnemoc> a:)
21:49 < mnemoc> -a
21:50 < _Lewellyn> since we're at ser, it should be done in a couple moments :)
21:50 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you can switch to fast mirror now ;)
21:50 < _Lewellyn> ok ;)
21:50 < _Lewellyn> thanks again
21:50 < mnemoc> yw
21:59 < _Ragnar_> btw: duplicate file usr/include/postproc/postprocess.h: ffmpeg mplayer
22:00 < mnemoc> :\
22:01 < valentin> so - plugged in good old ethernet cable. but kerstin has to fight with wlan still ...
22:02 < _Lewellyn> valentin: if you were local, i'd walk a spare ap to you :)
22:02 < valentin> after switching the AP off for some minutes it seems to work again ...
22:02 < valentin> _Lewellyn: thanks
22:03 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/asterisk5.txt
22:03 < _Lewellyn> why am i still getting the packages i removed?
22:04 < mnemoc> you removed them from your build
22:04 < mnemoc> but not the already generated .gem files
22:04 < mnemoc> or cache files
22:04 < mnemoc> remove them by hand
22:04 < mnemoc> grep: Invalid regular expression <--- odd
22:05 < CIA-9> rene * r12051 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (1.0.6 -> 1.0.7)
22:05 < _Lewellyn> yar
22:06 < mnemoc> 47.3% .... and i started before you :(
22:07 < rxr> :(
22:07 < rxr> Finished downloading 32793876 bytes in 139.531 seconds (235029.000 bytes/sec).
22:07 < mnemoc> oh
22:07 < Baldzius> :)
22:08 < Baldzius> supersonic
22:08 < rxr> valentin's DSL is even faster - and has way higher upload ...
22:08 < mnemoc> oh
22:09 < mnemoc> 256/128 DSL at my work place
22:09 < mnemoc> and 64k at home :\
22:09 < Baldzius> i will have at home 256/128 DSL this friday :)
22:10 < Baldzius> bye bye to 64 Kb/s
22:10 < mnemoc> :D
22:10 < _Lewellyn> woo! asterisk6.txt :)
22:10 < _Lewellyn> bah. you're all lucky. i've got absolutely no internet access where i live
22:11 < rxr> mnemoc: 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=1 ttl=249 time=26.9 ms
22:11 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin's is as low as 21ms or so
22:11 < _Lewellyn> to where? your gateway?
22:11 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: remove whatever build/asterisk-2.1-stable-x86-pentium3-mnemosyne2/var/adm/logs/unicode_crap.err is
22:12 < mnemoc> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=1 ttl=227 time=329.1 ms <-- office
22:12 < _Lewellyn> it's that funky file from yesterday. i think it's ansi.
22:12 < _Lewellyn> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=171.3 ms
22:12 < mnemoc> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=8 ttl=236 time=387.6 ms <--- build/download server
22:12 < _Lewellyn> that's from here in san francisco
22:16 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/asterisk7.txt
22:16 < rxr> I did not want to trigger world wide pings - that is a server in .de and I only wanted to express land-line latency ... ,-)
22:17 < _Lewellyn> that's some pretty minimal output...
22:17 < _Lewellyn> rxr: :) sorry...
22:17 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :)
22:22 < _Lewellyn> woo! http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/regressions/asterisk/regressions.html
22:25 < mnemoc> :)
22:25 < _Lewellyn> btw, what is 99-final, and why didn't it build?
22:26 < _Lewellyn> wow. creating the iso is fast.
22:26 < mnemoc> it's a package 'helper'
22:26 < mnemoc> a target can do there whatever it wants, inside the sandbox and $stagelevel dependent
22:27 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok.
22:28 < _Ragnar_> rxr: I got a not found error for firefox
22:28 < rxr> I think they auto rotate mirror
22:28 < rxr> I get another one know here @ susan
22:28 < mnemoc> rxr: how often do you sync mirrors?
22:29 < rxr> twice a day I think
22:29 < rxr> source that is
22:29 < rxr> binary only once IIRC
22:31 < _Ragnar_> hmmm dl by hand with lynx works
22:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/C/Community-Rules-2.4.tar.gz.cksum-err (2168602392)
22:41 < Baldzius> guys, i need group number for Partimage package, what number should i use?
22:43 < mnemoc> anything between it's dependencies and 999.999
22:43 < Baldzius> no mnemoc, not compile order number
22:43 < Baldzius> i have to add partimage user and gruop
22:44 < mnemoc> see misc/share/REGISTER
22:44 < Baldzius> ok
22:45 < Baldzius> so i have to update Register if i add new group?
22:49 < mnemoc> yes
22:50 < Baldzius> got it
22:50 < Baldzius> thanks
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22:55 < Postal> Hey all
22:55 < _Lewellyn> hoi Postal
22:55 < Postal> I FINALLY got a computer
22:55 < _Lewellyn> yay :)
22:56 < CIA-9> amery * r12052 /trunk/package/network/nss_ldap/nss_ldap.desc: * updated nss_ldap (239 -> 241)
22:57 < Postal> I got the new PowerBook G4
22:57 < Postal> is rxr around>
22:58 < Postal> I know that hes a big mac guy
22:59 < mnemoc> there is an iso of 2.1.0-rc3 for g3
22:59 < rxr> Postal: be aware that the airport extreme does not yet work under linux
22:59 < rxr> but there is hope that it will some time soon
22:59 < rxr> weeks/months++
22:59 < Postal> rxr i know... but isnt mac osx based on unix?
23:00 < Postal> therin the drivers would be similar
23:00 < Postal> could i plug in another wireless card like say a linksys... are they even mac compatable?
23:01 < rxr> Postal: no source no linux driver ...
23:02 < rxr> but the reverse engeneering takes some time ...
23:02 < Postal> rxr, the G3 G4 and G5, what is the diff between them.. and would a G3iso work on a G4
23:03 < mnemoc> I HATE TSORT!
23:03 < mnemoc> I HATE TSORT!
23:03 < mnemoc> I HATE TSORT!
23:10 < Postal> mnemoc, why?
23:11 < mnemoc> it doesn't follow orders
23:11 < Postal> yea im kinda like that lol
23:13 < rxr> n8 all
23:13 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
23:13 < Postal> N8 rxr
23:14 < _Lewellyn> the g3 iso should work fine on a g4, in theory
23:14 < _Lewellyn> sleep well rxr
23:15 < Postal> _Lewellyn.. what is the diff between g3 and g4?
23:17 < _Lewellyn> g4 is a newer technology chip. like 386 -> 486
23:17 < _Lewellyn> g5 would be the big leap (think pentium)
23:17 < _Lewellyn> and, no, a g4 is not equiv to a 486. :)
23:17 < Postal> mm.. could i just install the g3 iso and recompile everything...
23:17 < Postal> what arch is the G4 in gcc terms?
23:17 < mnemoc> Postal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
23:18 < Postal> PPC arch?
23:18 < mnemoc> g3 is ppc-750
23:18 < mnemoc> no idea what g4 is
23:19 < Postal> id have to look up the naming convention I bet the gentoo manual has it
23:19 < Postal> I'll look in a bit im finishing the last three pages of my Post Modernist Literature essay
23:19 < mnemoc> 7400 (PowerPC G4) (1999) 350 MHz, 7410 uses AltiVec, a SIMD extension of the original PPC specs
23:19 < mnemoc> ^---- wikipedia
23:20 * mnemoc doesn't want to write it's own token sorter!
23:23 * mnemoc doesn't want to write it's own token sorter!
23:24 < _Lewellyn> the box i'm sshed into has a 7455
23:24 < Postal> ..?
23:25 < _Lewellyn> that's the cpu
23:25 < _Lewellyn> the whole family is "g4" :)
23:25 < Postal> ok cool
23:25 < valentin> mnemoc: what is a token sorter ?
23:25 < _Lewellyn> valentin: info coreutils tsort
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23:26 < _Lewellyn> Postal: a g3 build will run just fine for you
23:26 < valentin> tsort = topological sort
23:26 < mnemoc> valentin: yep
23:26 < mnemoc> valentin: but i only need horizontal
23:27 < mnemoc> A B
23:27 < mnemoc> B C
23:27 < mnemoc> A C
23:27 < mnemoc> ---> A B C
23:27 < mnemoc> only considering partial order given per line
23:27 < mnemoc> tsort seems to do more than that
23:28 < mnemoc> and the result is useless
23:28 < valentin> gimme an examle
23:28 < valentin> A B C is rigth
23:28 < valentin> right
23:28 < mnemoc> yes
23:29 < Postal> whats on the 2 iso's?
23:29 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i'm still concerned that we can't dupliate what you saw :(
23:29 < mnemoc> minute and you will
23:29 < mnemoc> let me revert a hack locally and i'll publish the broken test
23:30 < _Lewellyn> yesterday's test file worked fine :)
23:30 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12053 /trunk/package/kde/kdepim/hotfix.patch: * fix kdepim
23:31 < jsaw> *gah*
23:31 < jsaw> (glade-2:26736): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
23:32 < jsaw> (while building aqbanking)
23:32 < jsaw> re :) btw
23:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: i added xvfb-run to trunk
23:33 < jsaw> when, and what does it?
23:34 < mnemoc> fakes an X server
23:34 < _Lewellyn> xvfb rocks
23:34 < _Lewellyn> i use it to test page load times in mozilla across the world :)
23:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: and when did you add this? respective, how is it used?
23:35 < _Lewellyn> Xvfb -screen number WxHxD
23:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: it's part of xorg
23:35 < _Lewellyn> also -pixdepths is useful :)
23:35 < jsaw> okay, but give me an example of a package that uses it...!?
23:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: xvfb-run is an script i stole from debian to run something inside Xvfb
23:35 < _Lewellyn> Xvfb :1 -screen 1 1600x1200x16
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: no package use it yet
23:36 < jsaw> ic
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: i added it thinking in gaphor and firefox registration
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: debian people use it very often
23:36 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: where is the script?
23:36 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: trunk's xorg
23:36 < Postal> So the G3 iso, what is on the 1st and 2nd iso's do I need both or just one?
23:36 < _Lewellyn> bah. ;)
23:37 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i'll not merge anything untested to 2.1 :)
23:37 < jsaw> how do I stop xvfb?
23:38 < _Lewellyn> kill the process :)
23:38 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn knows
23:38 < mnemoc> :)
23:39 < mnemoc> valentin: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/tsort.txt <--- tsort this
23:39 < _Lewellyn> usually, i run it from a shell as a background process, so i kill %+ :)
23:39 < mnemoc> valentin: VLAN shall be after NETADMIN, but it's before
23:39 < jsaw> hmmm...
23:39 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: why do you use it?
23:40 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: as i said, to run browsers on headless machines :)
23:40 < mnemoc> o.o
23:40 < mnemoc> what for?
23:40 < _Lewellyn> to see load times :)
23:40 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: um...
23:41 < _Lewellyn> netadmin's about 15 lines after vlan alright.
23:41 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: same tsort problem?
23:41 < _Lewellyn> is that the only one?
23:41 < mnemoc> that is the problem i found doing a build
23:41 < mnemoc> of mnemosyne
23:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: xvfb-run some-command
23:42 < jsaw> -> /usr/X11/bin/xvfb-run: line 140: tempfile: command not found
23:42 < jsaw> hehe
23:42 < _Lewellyn> how is tsort supposed to know that VLAN comes AFTER NETADMIN?
23:42 < mnemoc> i stole it, i didn't test it :)
23:42 < jsaw> :)
23:43 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: look for VLAN on tsort.txt
23:43 < _Lewellyn> ya. 2 instances
23:43 < mnemoc> # grep VLAN tsort.txt
23:43 < mnemoc> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN
23:43 < mnemoc> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETADMIN SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN
23:43 < mnemoc> NETADMIN _before_ VLAN
23:43 < mnemoc> VSERVER _before_ VLAN
23:43 < _Lewellyn> um. i don't have that latter line
23:44 < mnemoc> ?
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_MYSQL
23:44 < mnemoc> grep VLAN tsort.txt
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_IDS SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETADMIN
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_BASE
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VOIP_PBX
23:44 < valentin> mnemoc: some lines only contain one token
23:44 < _Lewellyn> those are the 2 instances of VLAN
23:44 < mnemoc> valentin: yes, i don't know anything about them
23:44 < _Lewellyn> root@tuffet:/tmp# grep -i vlan tsort.txt.1
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN
23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETADMIN SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN
23:44 < valentin> but you know that tsort does not evaluate '\n' ?
23:45 < valentin> it pairs the tokens
23:45 < mnemoc> per line
23:45 < valentin> nope
23:45 < mnemoc> nope?
23:45 < valentin> it does not matter if you type
23:45 < valentin> A B
23:45 < valentin> B C
23:45 < valentin> or
23:45 < valentin> A B B
23:45 < valentin> C
23:45 < valentin> both the same
23:45 < mnemoc> what send does it have then
23:45 < mnemoc> if i already gave it the list sorted?
23:46 < mnemoc> \n should delimit partial orders
23:46 < mnemoc> if not, it's just a list
23:46 < _Lewellyn> valentin is right
23:46 < valentin> yes, it is a list
23:46 < mnemoc> what sense does it make?
23:46 < valentin> a list of tuples
23:46 < valentin> all even numbered tokens are predecessors of the next token
23:47 < mnemoc> so they are already sorted
23:47 < mnemoc> and i don't need to sort anything
23:47 < valentin> even the info sais so
23:47 < valentin> mnemoc: ?
23:47 < valentin> tsort just builds a digraph on the input
23:47 < valentin> it does not assume anything to be sorted yet
23:47 < mnemoc> it reads two by two
23:48 < mnemoc> ?
23:48 < valentin> yes
23:48 < mnemoc> aha
23:48 < mnemoc> that is easy to solve
23:48 < _Lewellyn> valentin: have you used tsort before? :)
23:48 < valentin> a b c d translated to graphviz is a->b c->d
23:48 < mnemoc> let see...
23:48 < valentin> _Lewellyn: nope, didn't even know such thing existed
23:49 < _Lewellyn> valentin: oh. perhaps you can still explain the output of tsorting A B B C
23:49 < _Lewellyn> where does D come from? :(
23:50 < valentin> there is a D ?
23:50 < valentin> i get a b c
23:50 < mnemoc> i'll add a dummy token at the end and link all "nothing know" nodes pointing to it :)
23:51 < valentin> mnemoc: do you have lines with three tokens ?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> AD
23:51 < _Lewellyn> B
23:51 < _Lewellyn> C
23:51 < _Lewellyn> that's what i get
23:51 < mnemoc> valentin: no, 1 or 2
23:51 < valentin> $ tsort
23:51 < valentin> A B B C
23:51 < valentin> A
23:51 < valentin> B
23:51 < valentin> C
23:51 < mnemoc> damn latency
23:51 < _Lewellyn> [bandersnatch:~/Sites] lewellyn% tsort
23:51 < _Lewellyn> A B B C
23:51 < _Lewellyn> AD
23:51 < _Lewellyn> B
23:51 < _Lewellyn> C
23:52 < _Lewellyn> perhaps tsort's borked on osx
23:52 * _Lewellyn tries locally
23:52 < valentin> _Lewellyn: maybe you hit some controll char in osx terminal ?
23:52 < _Lewellyn> sure enough. it doesn't work in osx
23:52 < valentin> you often see such ghosts in that terminal
23:52 < _Lewellyn> i'm sshed in with an xterm :)
23:52 < mnemoc> looks better :D
23:52 < _Lewellyn> did the same exact thing both places.
23:52 < _Lewellyn> wonder where i can report that bug.
23:53 < mnemoc> valentin: thanks a lot of re-interpreting tsort man for me :)
23:53 < valentin> mnemoc: np :)
23:53 < _Lewellyn> osx is just another unix box to me :)
23:53 < valentin> _Lewellyn: osx terminal sucks, it often ghosts input chars
23:53 < _Lewellyn> ah. it's not gnu tsort!
23:53 < valentin> but where does that D come from ?
23:53 < _Lewellyn> valentin: again, i don't actually ever use the gui on osx :)
23:54 < _Lewellyn> dunno about to read the man page
23:54 < _Lewellyn> no clue.
23:54 < _Lewellyn> but the man page is far better
23:54 < _Lewellyn> Node names in the input are separated by white space and there must be an
23:54 < _Lewellyn> even number of node pairs.
23:54 < _Lewellyn> why doesn't the info page state that so specifically?
23:55 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: link the unknown nodes to themselves :)
23:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :)
23:55 < _Lewellyn> Presence of a node in a graph can be represented by an arc from the node
23:55 < _Lewellyn> to itself. This is useful when a node is not connected to any other
23:55 < _Lewellyn> nodes.
23:56 < mnemoc> oh
23:56 < mnemoc> that sounds better that adding a dummy node
23:56 < valentin> mnemoc: why do you need an ordering of isolated nodes ?
23:57 < mnemoc> valentin: dependencies
23:57 < mnemoc> valentin: of a bash if [ "$FOO" = 1 ]; then BAR = 1; fi if [ "$BAR" = 1 ]; then ....
23:59 < mnemoc> valentin: mnemosyne has pkgsel 'modules' which implement some features, which i can enable using UI or atomagicly if other module forces it
23:59 < mnemoc> valentin: and modules also have dependencies, which if they are not met the module is ignored
23:59 < mnemoc> i need the isolated nodes if it's standalone
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