--- Log opened Tue Sep 20 00:00:03 2005
--- Day changed Tue Sep 20 2005
00:00 < _Lewellyn> :) even
00:00 < _Ragnar_> :D
00:01 < _Lewellyn> my coworkers are interested in migrating to t2 when there's a 64-bit release (for the same reasons i need 64-bitness, and i evangelize...), so i'm hoping that i can bring t2 a bit closer to an iso :)
00:02 < _Lewellyn> the only real thing missing from getting to an iso is a 64-bit boot disk, right?
00:03 < _Ragnar_> :) kewl
00:03 < _Ragnar_> yea
00:03 < _Ragnar_> and a lot of package-fixing
00:05 < _Lewellyn> ok. once a boot disk is made, how far behind is 64 vs 32?
00:05 < _Ragnar_> about 200 packages ;)
00:05 < _Lewellyn> i assume a goodly number of broken packages are broken for both, but it's not obvious :)
00:06 < _Ragnar_> probably
00:06 < _Lewellyn> also, how many of the packages you gave me are broken? :)
00:09 < mnemoc> on 2.1 just 8 of 1588 are broken for my p4 reference build
00:10 < _Ragnar_> broken = not compiling ... no packages get made for those
00:10 < _Ragnar_> there may be a few other packages that do compile but don't work, but we haven't seen many of those
00:12 < mnemoc> detecting failings on build time is far easier than detecting failings on runtime
00:12 < _Ragnar_> yea o_O
00:16 < _Lewellyn> :)
00:16 < _Lewellyn> that's what testers are for! :)
00:16 < _Ragnar_> but if we got the build time things fixed that would be a nice start! :)
00:17 * mnemoc is waiting for the merge list for amd64 at 2.1
00:17 < _Lewellyn> so ~200 broken on 64... out of ~1600... that's really not so bad...
00:17 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: do you have an auto-build thinger setup for 64-bit?
00:17 < _Ragnar_> O_O
00:18 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: grep my commit message for FPIC-QUIRK or x86_64 or 64bit ;)
00:18 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i have 3 build machines, all p4
00:18 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: considering that it's been mostly you (iirc), you've done some great work :)
00:18 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: not em64t?
00:18 < mnemoc> p4
00:18 < _Lewellyn> i have a p4/em64t... :)
00:19 < mnemoc> :(
00:19 < mnemoc> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx pni monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr
00:19 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i *may* be able to donate a 64-bit box for testing... not sure where to host it though.
00:19 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: chile? ;)
00:19 < _Lewellyn> if you pay shipping...
00:20 < mnemoc> :(
00:20 < _Lewellyn> what are the est and cx16 flags?
00:20 < _Lewellyn> are those the ones that indicate 64-bitness?
00:21 < mnemoc> your cx doubles mine.... so i guess it's 64-bitness
00:21 < _Lewellyn> and lm is the other one i have
00:21 < _Lewellyn> i have cx8 and cx16
00:21 < _Lewellyn> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
00:22 < _Lewellyn> i'm not sure what cpu flags are what anymore :/
00:22 < _Ragnar_> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni lahf_lm
00:22 < _Ragnar_> for mine
00:23 < _Lewellyn> hm. lm seems to be all we share that mnemoc doesn't have
00:24 < mnemoc> :'(
00:25 < _Lewellyn> but, seriously, i'd be interested in bootstrapping a 64-bit box for buildtesting
00:25 < _Ragnar_> :)
00:25 < mnemoc> HD swapping is the easier way i guess
00:26 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i can't swap discs on my workstation; i am my own mx in the office :(
00:26 < mnemoc> :(
00:26 < _Lewellyn> it sucks to have to schedule downtime for your desktop ;)
00:26 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: how broken is generic/minimal for amd64?
00:26 < _Ragnar_> yea o_o
00:27 < _Ragnar_> I never tried a minimal build
00:27 < _Lewellyn> but that's why i was thinking a cheap 64-bit box that could be tossed into a rack, headless.
00:27 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what are you waiting for? ;)
00:28 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: currently running a full generic
00:28 < mnemoc> brb
00:28 < _Ragnar_> btw most recent kde update broke kde on 64bit for example
00:31 < _Ragnar_> most stuff is also from gcc4
00:34 < _Lewellyn> http://www.jncs.com/php/sys/index.php?id=bb-as-k8s-mx-c5-350
00:34 < _Lewellyn> i was thinking a system like that may make a decent box to throw in a rack to just continually build :)
00:35 < _Ragnar_> *grrr* why do ppl do this:
00:36 < _Ragnar_> return (jint) ((QPointArrayJBridge*) QtSupport::getQt(env, obj))->begin();
00:38 < _Ragnar_> so stupid ;PPP
00:42 < _Lewellyn> why do people write qt code? wish i knew! ;)
00:42 < _Ragnar_> no, why do ppl try to point a pointer into an int?
00:43 < _Ragnar_> put*
00:43 < _Ragnar_> it's like they never really done any 64bit code at all ever it seems
00:43 < _Lewellyn> because they think ia32 is the only platform
00:44 * _Ragnar_ kicks kde developers
00:44 < _Lewellyn> "oh, ya, it won't compile on a g5 or a power4. oh well. no one uses those cpus anyway"
00:44 < _Ragnar_> ;P
00:45 < mnemoc> re
00:47 < _Lewellyn> re mnemoc
00:47 < _Lewellyn> i've got questions about mnemosyne
00:47 < mnemoc> quick
00:47 < _Lewellyn> mainly: what is its point?
00:48 < mnemoc> it's a modular target to build machines how i life them :p
00:48 < mnemoc> using 'target inherence' i can specialize it
00:49 < _Lewellyn> ok. you recommended it for my coworker who needs to build an asterisk server. how would that benefit me (without having to train him on making a target and such) for this purpose?
00:50 < mnemoc> building a mnemosyne is simple, just selecting 'features' on checkboxes
00:50 < mnemoc> and adding new modules is also simple, a pkgsel and an optional .conf to set config things
00:51 < _Lewellyn> but he needs a working t2 first, no? :)
00:51 < mnemoc> what do you mean?
00:51 < mnemoc> mnemosyne builds whereever t2 works
00:51 < _Lewellyn> can he just build a target from any old machine?
00:52 < _Ragnar_> somewhere you have to have a t2 build system
00:52 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: that was what i thought
00:52 < mnemoc> where you can build a t2/desktop you can build a t2/mnemosyne
00:52 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: in this case, it would require him installing t2 in a vm.
00:53 < _Lewellyn> unfortunately, i don't think the gain is worthwhile for him (right now) :(
00:53 < CIA-9> chris * r12006 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/VOIP_PBX.ask: * added Asterisk VOIP-PSTN Gatway Support
00:53 < _Lewellyn> it may be soon, after i start migrating everyone over to t2, though :)
00:53 < _Lewellyn> :)
00:54 < _Lewellyn> so, the .ask does all the asterisk stuff?
00:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: on mnemosyne repository, not on the deprecated copy at t2's trunk!
00:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: it's just meant as example and it does no harm there ;) but thanks for the reminder :p
00:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: a .ask at mnemosyne is an pkgsel which is activated with a checkbox
00:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
00:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: it worked ... it teased _Lewellyn :)
00:55 < _Lewellyn> svn is stable right now?
00:55 < mnemoc> :p
00:56 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: bah.
00:56 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: 2.1-stable is stable
00:56 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: :)
00:56 < _Lewellyn> ok.
00:56 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: trunk is unstable
00:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: btw, I can recommend mnemosyne server :)
00:57 < mnemoc> *g*
00:57 < _Lewellyn> by stable, i mean "in a useable state", btw :)
00:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: stabel = stable :)
00:57 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: by stable i mean _continues_ usable and safe state
00:57 < mnemoc> brb
00:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: it works like a bee :p
00:58 < _Lewellyn> ok. is trunk a recommended checkout? :)
00:58 < morfoh> nope
00:58 < _Lewellyn> i'm just trying to get the build environment atm
00:58 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1
00:58 < _Lewellyn> how do i use that with svn?
00:59 < _Lewellyn> ah
00:59 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: :)
00:59 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 t2-stable
00:59 < _Lewellyn> ya
00:59 < _Lewellyn> thankee
00:59 < _Lewellyn> i'm still a cvs user. bear with me :)
01:00 < mnemoc> bbl
01:00 < morfoh> cu
01:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: push narce
01:01 < mnemoc> bye
01:01 < morfoh> ack
01:01 < _Lewellyn> i'll try to build him a mnemosyne target. thanks :)
01:04 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: hopefully it will suite :)
01:04 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: do you have detailed system requirements ?
01:07 < _Lewellyn> what do you mean by system requirements?
01:07 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: _Lewellyn and you should note, that mnemosyne is using runit -> http://smarden.org/runit/ as default init system! _No_ SysV!
01:07 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but runit is very reliable
01:08 < _Lewellyn> i was simply informed that he needs an asterisk server. i downloaded rc3-minimal, and mnemoc said to look at mnemosyne :)
01:08 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what the system has to do
01:08 < _Lewellyn> hm. how different is runit?
01:08 < _Lewellyn> apparently it will only be an asterisk server
01:09 < _Lewellyn> ah. daemontools-alike. that will go over well here.
01:09 < _Lewellyn> (not that i care for daemontools, myself...)
01:09 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes :)
01:09 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: daemontools-alike is very server friendly ;)
01:11 < _Lewellyn> because i agree with the concept does not mean i agree with the implementation :)
01:12 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: ack :)
01:12 < morfoh> take a look at this too http://smarden.org/ipsvd/ ;)
01:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: also core part of mnemosyne
01:13 < _Lewellyn> i saw that on http://www3.conosurseguros.cl/t2/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne
01:14 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: good :)
01:14 < _Lewellyn> i can google; but that only takes me so far sometimes. especially when the project's still fledgling ;)
01:15 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: and I guess mnemoc also told you that there is already a mnemosyne -> mnemosyne2 migration
01:16 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but don't fear to use it. it simply runs :)
01:17 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: and Asterisk support is a planned "feature" on my list anyway
01:19 < _Lewellyn> what, pray tell, is mnemosyne2?
01:20 < _Lewellyn> and the feature is implemented now? ;)
01:21 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: mnemosyne2 is working well, but asterisk isn't in yet ... but that's not a big issue regarding the pkgsel but functional testing is needed
01:23 < _Lewellyn> but it's "likely" to work?
01:23 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes
01:24 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what type of database you want to use to authenticate users ?
01:26 < _Lewellyn> i have no clue. i know nothing about asterisk
01:26 < _Lewellyn> but if it's a database, we're prejudiced against mysql
01:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: if the database is running on the same host you can simply check MySQL support in mnemosyne
01:28 < _Lewellyn> i suppose it would be on the same host; but we're not fond of mysql in the least here.
01:28 * _Lewellyn is still waiting for t2-stable to check out :/
01:29 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2
01:31 < _Lewellyn> where can i do a svn co of mnemosyne?
01:33 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/
01:34 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/ target/mnemosyne2
01:39 < _Lewellyn> heh. that was almost instant. still waiting for t2 :)
01:40 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what are you talking about 'waiting' ? connection lag ?
01:41 < _Lewellyn> it's very slow. the mnemosyne2 just flew up the screen.
01:53 < _Lewellyn> yay. checked out revision 12006
01:54 < _Lewellyn> hm. should i have checked out mnemosyne2 into my build root?
01:56 < morfoh> yes
01:56 < _Lewellyn> bah.
02:06 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: == 09/20/05 01:55:02 =[5]=> Finished building package asterisk. <-- mnemosyne2
02:06 < _Lewellyn> yay :)
02:11 < _Lewellyn> i did my t2-stable co to the wrong place; waiting for it to move now. root can't get to that nfs mount :/
02:17 < _Lewellyn> how do i choose mnemosyne2?
02:20 < _Lewellyn> oh. heh. doh.
02:21 < _Lewellyn> and is dietlibc or glibc recommended?
02:21 < morfoh> glibc is stable
02:21 < morfoh> dietlibc not yet
02:22 < morfoh> dietlibc is mostly interesting for small special targets
02:25 < _Lewellyn> ok. and is dropbear more/less secure/compatible? their site is useless :)
02:25 < _Lewellyn> and are posix acls recommended? the concept keeps making me smile, but is it worthwhile?
02:26 < _Lewellyn> hrm. ide support and kernel contexts support need help items too. :/
02:26 < morfoh> IDS = Intrusion Detection
02:27 < _Lewellyn> yes. if i enable it, it will have an ids package installed (eg snort)
02:27 < _Lewellyn> or just support for one?
02:27 < morfoh> Kernel Context = Virual Server -> linux-vserver.org
02:27 < _Lewellyn> ok. don't need that
02:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: IDS support is just a HOST based IDS
02:28 < _Lewellyn> ah. perfect, then.
02:28 < _Lewellyn> something more like tripwire?
02:28 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes
02:28 < _Lewellyn> k
02:28 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: http://la-samhna.de/samhain/index.html <-- will go in there
02:29 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: Support for Prelude-IDS is also in there --> prelude-ids.org
02:30 < _Lewellyn> ok. and what is Network/Director?
02:31 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: IPVS = IP based Virtual Server i.e for clustering services
02:31 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I think you don't need that on a common server
02:32 < _Lewellyn> nope
02:32 < _Lewellyn> and where do i choose asterisk?
02:32 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: moment pls ;)
02:33 < _Lewellyn> :)
02:34 < mnemoc> re
02:35 < mnemoc> asterisk is not yet part of mnemosyne, but it's very easy to add a module of it
02:35 < _Lewellyn> ah. he who knows all :)
02:35 < mnemoc> ?
02:35 < _Lewellyn> didn't morfoh check one in earlier?
02:36 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i assume that mnemosyne is your baby, so you'd be able to answer any questions i'm about to ask best :)
02:38 < mnemoc> # cat ../t2-trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/VOIP_PBX.ask
02:38 < mnemoc> #Description: VoiceOverIP-PBX/PSTN-Gateway
02:38 < mnemoc> X asterisk
02:38 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: svn up
02:38 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: it's added already
02:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: folder can have spaces
02:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope :p
02:39 < mnemoc> yes
02:40 < morfoh> nope :)
02:40 < morfoh> ok ... master
02:40 < mnemoc> # ls target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Desktop/Mail\ and\ Web/
02:40 < mnemoc> Console.ask Mozilla.ask
02:40 < mnemoc> # ls target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Desktop/Office\ Suite/
02:40 < mnemoc> gnomeoffice.ask ooo.ask
02:40 < mnemoc> yes
02:41 < mnemoc> folders _can_ have spaces
02:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: I knew before ... it was just my personal point of view :p
02:41 < CIA-9> chris * r12007 /branches/2.1/package/network/ser/ (. ser.conf ser.conf ser.desc ser.desc): * merged 10701,10702: added ser (0.9.3), fixed ser.conf
02:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: if you want it short, VoIP :)
02:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... that was my first choice but I thought that you would complain :)
02:43 < mnemoc> o.o
02:44 < _Lewellyn> i agree with morfoh :)
02:44 < _Lewellyn> (in regards to spaces)
02:45 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: thanks :)
02:45 < _Lewellyn> :)
02:46 < mnemoc> VoiceOverIP looks ugly
02:46 < morfoh> :)
02:47 < _Lewellyn> i agree with mnemoc on that...
02:47 < mnemoc> :)
02:47 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: thanks :|
02:48 < morfoh> seems that most tradeoff's are ugly :|
02:49 < CIA-9> chris * r12008 /trunk/package/network/ser/ser.desc: * updaded ser (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4)
02:52 < _Lewellyn> gar. why can't i find asterisk still? :(
02:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: I wanr to add "KDE Personal Infortmation Manager (kmail,korganize,...)"
02:52 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: svn up
02:52 < _Lewellyn> i did.
02:53 < morfoh> svn up target/mnemosyne2/
02:53 < _Lewellyn> after this (yet another) svn up finishes
02:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would add that inside Mail and Web/ thingy
02:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: as part of a single kdefubar
02:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
02:54 < _Lewellyn> there we go!
02:54 < _Lewellyn> so both are needed, i suppose.
02:54 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: nope ... just PBX
02:55 < _Lewellyn> even for connecting to other sip networks?
02:55 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: asterisk is talking sip too
02:55 < _Lewellyn> so what is sip server?
02:55 < mnemoc> why ser then?
02:55 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but ser is more powerfull and stable in doing sip ;)
02:55 < _Lewellyn> i'm confused :(
02:56 < _Lewellyn> voip is a foreign land to me still. now i think it's a good thing i didn't just throw it at the coworker :)
02:56 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: ser is _SIP-only_
02:57 < _Lewellyn> but if it does sip better, why not use that?
02:57 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but asterisk has SIP support too ... but asteris is a monster ;)
02:57 < _Lewellyn> (for the sip part)
02:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: .choice?
02:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: na! dunno... because _Lewellyn is right SER and Asterisk can work on same box
02:58 < _Lewellyn> and asterisk is nowhere near the monster that our current pbx software is...
02:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: can != want
02:59 < mnemoc> morfoh: if you have a good 'use case' where both are desired on the same machine, .ask. if not .choice.
02:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... SIP -> PSTN gateway
03:00 < mnemoc> what about a forth option implying both?
03:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
03:01 < mnemoc> named by the use case :)
03:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: no problem with that
03:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: usability fetish atm ?
03:02 < mnemoc> the optional tree can exploat if we don't minimize
03:02 < mnemoc> options*
03:02 < mnemoc> dah dah dah.... i need to sleep
03:03 < morfoh> what ? ...
03:03 < mnemoc> we have too many options
03:03 < mnemoc> we must keep the list short
03:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: I want to add Base/Networking/RADIUS.ask ?
03:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: don't beat me :)
03:04 < mnemoc> base?!
03:04 < morfoh> Client
03:05 < _Lewellyn> OK, what was the consensus, since i didn't follow all of that?
03:05 < mnemoc> no consensus
03:05 < _Lewellyn> i should only choose asterisk? there may be a reason for both?
03:05 < _Lewellyn> bah :/
03:05 < _Lewellyn> i've got no clue what i'd google for :(
03:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: Base/Security/Authentication/ ?
03:06 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: what do you need?
03:06 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: if you want to have a SIP-only network with a connection to a PSTN
03:06 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: btw, what's your feeling on dropbear vs openssh
03:06 < _Lewellyn> i have no clue; i'm not the one with the sip specs
03:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: Base/Security/Authentication/ is ok too
03:07 < _Lewellyn> i'm building a disc so i don't have to show him how the configuration system works yet.
03:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: afaik dropbear lacks of _tools_ to generate keys, etc...
03:07 < _Lewellyn> no need for tools. just an sshd on that box
03:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's not right
03:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: dropbear
03:07 < _Lewellyn> k. good. thanks :)
03:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: then?
03:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: afaik there is support for key gen
03:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: good :)
03:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: If you have an OpenSSH-style private key ~/.ssh/id_rsa, you need to do:
03:11 < morfoh> dropbearconvert openssh dropbear ~/.ssh/id_rsa ~/.ssh/id_rsa.db
03:11 < morfoh> dbclient -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.db
03:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: If you want to get the public-key portion of a Dropbear private key, look at
03:12 < _Lewellyn> aha
03:12 < _Lewellyn> We are using both, SER and Asterisk, in heavy production enviroment. SER is the BEST SIP proxy that i found. But it is just sip proxy. It can serve a _LOT_ connections (10,000 users, 20 cals per second). Asterisk is more like telephone switch with lot of features, but far slower.
03:12 < _Lewellyn> One nice feature of SER is that users can set up their own SIP accounts using a web interface and not needing to edit *.conf files.
03:12 < _Lewellyn> sorry for that nasty copy/paste :/
03:13 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: np ;)
03:13 < _Lewellyn> so, apparently, it is done.
03:13 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes ... but serweb isn't included yet
03:13 < _Lewellyn> google gave me a number of promising hits.
03:13 < _Lewellyn> i'll select both and let the guy dealing with it figure it out :)
03:13 < morfoh> :)
03:14 < _Lewellyn> i'm at the point where i'm more confused about it than when i started. and that's a feat.
03:14 < _Lewellyn> my only vested interest is so that it's easier to route my work phone extension to my gizmo sipphone :)
03:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: to continue ...
03:15 < morfoh> To run the server, you need to generate server keys, this is one-off:
03:15 < morfoh> ./dropbearkey -t rsa -f dropbear_rsa_host_key
03:15 < morfoh> ./dropbearkey -t dss -f dropbear_dss_host_key
03:15 < morfoh> :)
03:16 * _Lewellyn will need to remember to bookmark today's irc log :)
03:16 < mnemoc> hehe
03:16 < _Lewellyn> lots of *good* information has scrolled by today. :)
03:16 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: as almost every day ;)
03:17 < _Lewellyn> moreso today ;)
03:17 < _Lewellyn> today had the most complete set of instructions for installing the amd64 packages :)
03:17 < _Lewellyn> hm. what is udhcp? google gave me odd hits
03:17 * _Lewellyn wonders if he actually needs a dhcp client, anyway. prob not. n/m :)
03:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: a dhcp server/client i like
03:18 < _Lewellyn> ok. i'll play with it later. :)
03:18 < mnemoc> as you can notice, mnemosyne is minimalistic by rule
03:19 < _Lewellyn> yes. and i'm turing lots of stuff off and on :)
03:19 < _Lewellyn> hm. what gets installed that may need sasl?
03:19 < mnemoc> if sasl has not been forced, you don't need it
03:19 < _Lewellyn> and how come "console based mua/browser" are grouped? i would like just a browser in this case...
03:20 < _Lewellyn> ok.
03:20 < mnemoc> that is mutt, links and irssi :)
03:20 < _Lewellyn> bah. ok. ;)
03:20 < morfoh> for code monkeys :p
03:21 < mnemoc> but you can always use Config -> Expert -> pkgsel to remove or add something
03:21 < _Lewellyn> ya, trying not to.
03:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: what about Services/Communication instead of a dedicated dir for VOIP
03:28 < mnemoc> Services/Network/Communication ?
03:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: there we can place i.e. Instant Messaging and Fax Gateway
03:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... also ok
03:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: if it's a gateway or server, Services/
03:29 < _Lewellyn> huh. fax gateway? :)
03:29 * mnemoc wonder if morfoh really need those or he is just teasing me
03:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: ?
03:30 < _Lewellyn> heh.
03:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: Services/Network/ for now i guess
03:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've to migrate a fax gw at work ;)
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03:30 < root___> hiiii
03:31 < mnemoc> morfoh: Services/Network/Communication looks fine to me
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03:31 < _Lewellyn> um. hi, root...
03:31 < Jeffimix> I need a wee bit of help
03:31 < Jeffimix> sorry
03:31 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: first, don't _ever_ irc as root
03:31 < Jeffimix> sssh epic is evil, I know
03:31 < Jeffimix> so like
03:31 < _Lewellyn> not unless you're telnetted straight to 6667, but then you'd not have joined as root
03:31 < Jeffimix> I have one lappy
03:32 < Jeffimix> and t2 is on it (am on it) ... the minimal template
03:32 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: :D
03:32 < Jeffimix> is there some kinda automated software installer I can get
03:32 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: Emerge-Pkg
03:32 < Jeffimix> I used wget/more to get lynx then thatto get epic....
03:33 < Jeffimix> that's the problem, I lack the scripts....
03:33 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: generic/minimal has svn, and everything you need to get a working copy of T2
03:33 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: then you can emerge the rest
03:33 < Jeffimix> k
03:34 < mnemoc> you also have t2-src, /usr/src/t2-src
03:34 < Jeffimix> would it be bad to say: how
03:34 < Jeffimix> k
03:34 < Jeffimix> so I can just compile that then like the distro compiling
03:34 < mnemoc> with an snapshot of the working copy used to make the thing you installed
03:35 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: yes
03:35 < Jeffimix> weird I just have the kernel patches there
03:36 < mnemoc> :(
03:36 < mnemoc> cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION ?
03:36 < Jeffimix> yeah it's very minimal
03:37 < Jeffimix> T2 SDE 2.1.0-rc3 (2005/09/18)
03:38 < Jeffimix> >_>
03:38 < mnemoc> oh, you are right.... no t2-src in there
03:38 < Jeffimix> <_<
03:38 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 /usr/src/t2-stable
03:40 < Jeffimix> alright, then if I compile those sources I can use the /usr/src/scripts/Emerge-Pkg or whatever?
03:41 < Jeffimix> wget/more the nonbrowser...
03:42 < mnemoc> cd /usr/src/t2-stable; ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg
03:43 < Jeffimix> alright, and unlike the iso/distro making stuff, it will now install on the system itself? (just to be clear)
03:44 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: the idea is to build the distro there using Build-Target, and not Emerge-Pkg
03:44 < Jeffimix> cause if so I'll just emerge windowmaker or something zany like that to make the distro more complete....
03:44 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg is just a last-chance-hack
03:44 < Jeffimix> ah, uhuh
03:45 < Jeffimix> okay, sorry, just to recap, what tools (if any) will do a sort of automated install of such as X11 on here... or will I just have to do it by hand to make it pretty
03:45 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: there is a template called minimal-xorg, feel free to revive it and send the patches :)
03:45 < Jeffimix> heh
03:45 < Jeffimix> yeah it said it was broken in the configuraton menu, so I went for all out minimal, I do want to end up with a graphical setup, but I don't want any bloat whatsoever, not one app I don't need/want
03:46 < mnemoc> it is broken, but shouldn't be hard to re-adjust the package selection
03:46 < Jeffimix> ah, alright, I might mess with that for you guys then
03:47 < mnemoc> :)
03:47 < Jeffimix> but seriously, yes or no, if I run Emerge-Pkg windowmaker (or similiar) it would be safe to go to init level 4 (atleast technically)
03:47 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: emerge xorg first
03:47 < Jeffimix> alright
03:48 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg has only one level of dependencies 'discovery'
03:48 < mnemoc> but it's anyway too agresive imo
03:48 < Jeffimix> run Config then Emerge..
03:48 * Jeffimix runs
03:48 < Jeffimix> ah, ok
03:49 < Jeffimix> so it might download a bit of fluff then eh? ;)
03:49 < mnemoc> use -dryu-run the first time
03:49 < mnemoc> just to know what will happen
03:49 < mnemoc> -dry-run
03:50 < Jeffimix> linux-header gcc freetype xorg
03:50 < Jeffimix> (Packages to build:)
03:51 < Jeffimix> well that seems alright
03:51 < mnemoc> if you rebuild gcc, also rebuild libtool or you will have troubles
03:51 < Jeffimix> ok
03:52 < Jeffimix> I'll admit I'm not to knowledgeable on the bowels of compiling
03:52 < Jeffimix> 'll just emerge libtool shortly thereafter
03:53 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: clone minimal template and add there what a minimal-xorg should also have, and let t2 do the compiling
03:56 * Jeffimix watches the building
03:56 * Jeffimix watches his HDD led blink
03:56 < mnemoc> :)
03:56 < CIA-9> chris * r12009 /branches/2.1/package/network/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient-ng.desc: * merged 9990: updated radiusclient-ng (0.5.0 -> 0.5.1)
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03:57 < Jeffimix> If I can coerce this into a minimal xorg setup, I'll look further into editing the templates et cetera, shame I don't have two PCs right now :/
03:57 < Jeffimix> I'd love to help, but I'll admit I'm not a guru yet...
03:58 < mnemoc> you don't need to be a guru
03:58 < Jeffimix> heh
03:58 < mnemoc> :)
03:58 * Jeffimix idly wonders why dietlibc is on his computer at all
03:59 < Jeffimix> doesn't dietlibc only do static compiles, or is that microlibc
04:00 < mnemoc> you can build real machines using dietlibc instead of glibc
04:01 < mnemoc> but i don't have an answer why dietlibc is doing at generic/minimal
04:02 < Jeffimix> yeah, I'm fairly sure glibc is on here too
04:02 < Jeffimix> odd, but not too bad, dietlibc is pretty small
04:03 < Jeffimix> maybe it's just here because some people would choose to compile against it instead of glibc so it includes both
04:03 < mnemoc> no, the template was badly defined using repositories instead of packages. new packages on the repository get magicly inside, and packages moved away of the repository break the template
04:04 < mnemoc> as minimal-xorg and minimal-desktop
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04:05 < Jeffimix> oh ick, so instead of saying to include glibc, it actually gave an address?
04:06 < mnemoc> enabling base/* and removing what on that minute was not necesary
04:06 < Jeffimix> k
04:06 < mnemoc> bad habits some people had
04:06 < Jeffimix> ah, oh well
04:07 < Jeffimix> but base/* doesn't get new packages ;)
04:08 < mnemoc> it does
04:08 < Jeffimix> ;) I know
04:08 < mnemoc> :)
04:08 < Jeffimix> wow GCC takes for fricken ever to compile *growls*
04:08 < Jeffimix> and so will xorg
04:09 < mnemoc> OOo has the gold
04:09 < mnemoc> 7h
04:09 < mnemoc> on my p4/3.0
04:09 < Jeffimix> lol wow
04:09 < Jeffimix> I'm on a 1.6Ghz Mobile Sempron, wooo
04:09 < Jeffimix> and 512MB ram
04:09 < mnemoc> laptop = low I/O -> _ages_
04:09 < Jeffimix> yep
04:09 < mnemoc> slow*
04:10 < Jeffimix> it's no speed daemon, but it's not really that bad
04:10 < mnemoc> :)
04:10 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep now, enjoy the build :)
04:10 < Jeffimix> the HDD is probly the slowest part
04:10 < Jeffimix> k
04:10 < Jeffimix> night night
04:11 < Jeffimix> I'll jst emerge libtool after that
04:11 < Jeffimix> then windowmaker after that
04:11 < mnemoc> :)
04:12 < mnemoc> gn8 *
04:13 < Jeffimix> night
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04:15 < Jeffimix> hello
04:35 * _Lewellyn wonders how long this build will take
04:38 < Jeffimix> long long time
04:38 < _Lewellyn> not likely :)
04:38 < Jeffimix> any other questions? ;)
04:38 < Jeffimix> what're ya building
04:38 < _Lewellyn> fast machine, special target :)
04:38 < Jeffimix> hmm
04:38 < Jeffimix> que es?
04:38 < _Lewellyn> i'm playing with mnemoc's mnemosyne2 target
04:38 < _Lewellyn> building an asterisk iso
04:38 < Jeffimix> erg, I got lost there, but ok, a special distro, what software has it
04:39 * Jeffimix is building xorg right now on his minimalist, I got epic/lynx up first though
04:42 < Jeffimix> like, what does mnemosyne2 do
04:42 < _Lewellyn> http://www3.conosurseguros.cl/t2/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne
04:42 < _Lewellyn> that has some info
04:43 < _Lewellyn> i know there's probably a better description somewhere, but that should give an idea
04:43 < _Lewellyn> i'm creating a very specialized target with it
04:45 < Jeffimix> ah, okay, so it's a very stable/secure base that you make specialized targets with, cool
04:45 < Jeffimix> good luck!
04:51 < Jeffimix> woo oxorg is slow
04:51 < Jeffimix> how's you'rs going
05:00 < _Lewellyn> i'm on glibc.
05:00 < _Lewellyn> and i'm heading out
05:00 < _Lewellyn> night
05:01 < Jeffimix> k
05:01 < Jeffimix> night
05:02 < CIA-9> chris * r12010 /trunk/package/security/freeradius/ (. config.in freeradius.conf freeradius.desc): * added freeradius (1.0.5)
05:03 < morfoh> good night ...
05:04 < Jeffimix> weee
05:05 < _Lewellyn> hrm. i should enable more swap before taking off :/
05:05 < _Lewellyn> or kill ff
05:05 < Jeffimix> kill firefox if you're running it and need ram
05:05 < Jeffimix> it takes swathes
05:06 < _Lewellyn> yes. moz is much more svelte, as ironic as that is
05:06 < Jeffimix> heh
05:06 < Jeffimix> seamonkey or whatever it is now
05:06 < _Lewellyn> i'm just getting to < 500mb free
05:06 < Jeffimix> ick
05:07 < Jeffimix> yeah I'm running lynx, Emerge-Pkg, and Epic5 so I don't think my ram's being too heavily hit
05:07 < Jeffimix> plus I got like 2 gigs swap
05:07 < Jeffimix> (512MB real)
05:09 < _Lewellyn> i've got 2gigs real, which helps some
05:10 < _Lewellyn> of course, i'm doing this while trying to work.
05:10 < Jeffimix> hahah yea
05:10 < _Lewellyn> with multiple browsers, full x, lots of remote apps, etc.
05:10 < Jeffimix> hey now, if I had xorg running I'd be doing that too
05:10 < Jeffimix> heh
05:10 < _Lewellyn> number of editors, et all.
05:10 < Jeffimix> epic and lynx are about as adanced as my PC hae atm
05:11 < Jeffimix> what editors do ya use
05:12 < _Lewellyn> vim
05:12 < _Lewellyn> custom compiled, a few kitchen sinks are in there.
05:12 < Jeffimix> hehe funfun
05:13 < Jeffimix> I always thought of emacs as the extensible one, what can you add to vi beyond some basic scripts?
05:14 < Jeffimix> okay, what the heck, Emerge-Pkg keeps saying that the previous GCC build was broken and keeps saying I'll need to compile it with whatever else I tell it to compile
05:14 < Jeffimix> any way to tell Emerge-Pkg to ignore a package?
05:15 < Jeffimix> well deps=none for now
05:17 < _Lewellyn> http://pastebin.ca/23399
05:17 < _Lewellyn> that's just my compilation options
05:18 < _Lewellyn> nevermind the boatload of scripts and plugins
05:18 < Jeffimix> k
05:18 < _Lewellyn> i have emacs users ask me if they know ways that they can get emacs to do what my vim does :)
05:18 < Jeffimix> ha nice
05:19 < Jeffimix> woah yeah that's a lot of stuff
05:19 < Jeffimix> okay dangit all
05:19 < _Lewellyn> gah. it'd be nice if swapon ever finished
05:19 < Jeffimix> that didn't actually put startx on my system, stupid gah
05:20 < Jeffimix> *sighs*
05:20 < Jeffimix> never used cscope whats it got
05:21 < _Lewellyn> iirc, it give me emacs-like stuff that i take for granted :)
05:21 < Jeffimix> haha
05:21 < _Lewellyn> i couldn't live without the +python, though
05:22 < Jeffimix> oh arg howto add /usr/bin/X11R6 to my path
05:22 < Jeffimix> yeah use python alot eh
05:22 < _Lewellyn> i use the athena gui because it launches faster than the gtk gui. that's the biggest difference that a normal user would see
05:22 < Jeffimix> heh
05:22 < _Lewellyn> i use python constantly
05:22 < Jeffimix> gtk/qt have led to so much bloat
05:23 < _Lewellyn> i really really try hard to not have any gnome/kde apps running. that just makes launching gtk/qt apps taken longer
05:24 < _Lewellyn> Mem: 2070980k total, 2019920k used, 51060k free, 51716k buffers
05:24 < _Lewellyn> Swap: 1996004k total, 120080k used, 1875924k free, 1479488k cached
05:24 < _Lewellyn> that's more like it :)
05:24 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: ayt?
05:25 < Jeffimix> he
05:25 < Jeffimix> okay... now really how do I add a folder to the path's for LIBS and another for the BIN
05:25 < Jeffimix> or some such
05:27 < Jeffimix> because right now X can't launch unless I do it
05:28 < _Lewellyn> don't worry; let the process continue naturally :)
05:28 < Jeffimix> :P
05:28 < Jeffimix> no I mean like it won't launch unless I add those oflders to my paths *sigh*
05:29 < _Lewellyn> that will happen when the correct time comes; do not worry :)
05:29 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: i was just wondering how many times glibc gets built :)
05:30 < Jeffimix> an infinite number of monkeys writing shakespeare
05:31 * _Lewellyn doubts that's the answer
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05:32 < _Lewellyn> aha. once more.
05:33 < Jeffimix> whoever designed emerge-pkg is gona get a beating if I meet em
05:33 < _Lewellyn> why is that?
05:34 < _Lewellyn> because it doesn't do post-install stuff before it's installed? :)
05:34 < Jeffimix> ;P it is installed tho
05:35 < _Lewellyn> it's all done and you got the prompt back?
05:35 < Jeffimix> yep
05:35 < _Lewellyn> and you logged in fresh afterward?
05:36 < Jeffimix> well
05:36 < Jeffimix> hum
05:36 < Jeffimix> no stl don't work
05:36 < _Lewellyn> what errors?
05:36 < _Lewellyn> gotta hurry. gonna be locked in work for the night if i'm not out soon.
05:36 < Jeffimix> hehe
05:36 < Jeffimix> no erros
05:37 < Jeffimix> just path broke-ass
05:38 < Jeffimix> and no .xinitrc et cetera
05:38 < Jeffimix> :/
05:38 < _Lewellyn> you won't have a .xinitrc
05:39 < _Lewellyn> you'd have one under ...X11/xinit/
05:39 < Jeffimix> yeah
05:39 < Jeffimix> but I mean, like, xorgconfig / file not found
05:39 < Jeffimix> et cetera
05:39 < _Lewellyn> do an updatedb and then 'locate xinitrc'
05:39 < Jeffimix> locate says it's all under /usr/X11R6
05:39 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i'm not on xorg yet
05:39 < Jeffimix> *sigh*
05:39 < _Lewellyn> did you update the database after installing?
05:40 < Jeffimix> yep updatedb
05:40 < Jeffimix> it's ther
05:40 < _Lewellyn> and it says you have an xinitrc?
05:40 < Jeffimix> hum
05:40 < _Lewellyn> what happens if you try to run startx?
05:40 < Jeffimix> well ther'es a couple xinit files
05:41 < _Lewellyn> $ locate xinitrc
05:41 < _Lewellyn> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
05:41 < _Lewellyn> that's what i get with my old XF86
05:41 < Jeffimix> weird this time it loaded, just crashed cause of ... mouser
05:41 < Jeffimix> yeah I get that line too
05:41 < Jeffimix> this is weird
05:42 < Jeffimix> now it loads
05:42 < Jeffimix> *gives up*
05:42 < Jeffimix> don't worry baout it unless I'm complaining tomorrow
05:42 < Jeffimix> thanks though
05:42 < Jeffimix> you have a good night
05:44 < Jeffimix> ah it's that stupid devfs
05:47 < _Lewellyn> heh. ok. gone.
05:47 < Jeffimix> thanks, night
05:47 < _Lewellyn> mmhmm...
05:47 * _Lewellyn wonders if it's really going to compile both linux24 and 26, twice apiece...
05:47 < _Lewellyn> night
05:48 < Jeffimix> this is very beta software well, GL
05:53 < morfoh> nope
05:53 < Jeffimix> :P
05:55 < Jeffimix> haha it's wmaker!
05:56 < Jeffimix> holy crap
05:57 < Jeffimix> brb
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05:59 < Jeffimix> ok
05:59 < Jeffimix> so umm, how do I up the default init level to 4
06:00 < Jeffimix> I'm too used to slackware style stuff
06:00 < morfoh> run stone
06:00 < Jeffimix> or 5 I suppose heh
06:01 < Jeffimix> I guess Emerge-Pkg isn't that broke-ass, but it's gcc weirness must be stopped
06:10 < Jeffimix> thanks btw
06:10 < morfoh> no prob
06:12 < Jeffimix> it keeps claiming gcc was built wrong
06:19 < Jeffimix> anyhow, night night, ttyl
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08:09 < madtux> hello.
08:48 < rxr> moin
08:48 < rxr> hi madtux
08:50 < madtux> hello Mr. Rebe
08:58 < rxr> holla miguel
08:58 < madtux> ;)
09:28 < valentin> moin
09:28 < madtux> hello valentin
09:32 < rxr> moin valentin
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10:24 < rxr> cu later
10:33 < CIA-9> aldas * r12011 /trunk/package/e17/epsilon/epsilon.desc: * changed compile order, epsilon requires edje
11:06 < Baldzius> good morning :)
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12:38 < rxr> re
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12:50 < sepp> hi
12:51 < rxr> hi sepp
12:51 < sepp> hi rxr
12:52 < CIA-9> sebastian * r12012 /trunk/package/multimedia/libmpeg3/ (4 files): * updated libmpeg3 (1.5.4 -> 1.6)
12:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r12013 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/world.patch: * patched cinelerra to not rebuild every package in the world
12:54 < rxr> sepp: cool ,-!
12:55 < sepp> that is evil package it even builds a own ljpeg and ltiff
12:55 < sepp> and everything
12:56 < rxr> builds or built ? ,-)
12:57 < rxr> sepp: can you inject the upcate .cache file ?
12:58 < sepp> yes
12:58 < rxr> nice patch ,-)
12:58 < rxr> btw. I right now obfuscate my Athlon with a Apple Mighty Mouse
13:02 < CIA-9> sebastian * r12014 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/cinelerra.cache: * new cache file ...
13:02 < sepp> now the .cache has a lot of libs in it :)
13:05 < rxr> yep ,-)
13:05 < rxr> good work - thanks sepp
13:08 < rxr> Lexmark: Stand-alone-Fotodrucker mit eingebautem CD-Brenner
13:08 < rxr> ^- what the heck ...
13:08 < rxr> my oh my ...
13:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12015 /trunk/package/archiver/lxsplit/ (. lxsplit.conf lxsplit.desc):
13:48 < CIA-9> Leonel Ivan Saafigueroa :
13:48 < CIA-9> * added lxsplit (0.1.1)
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14:11 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9 ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ]
14:11 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou]
14:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
14:11 < rxr> does anyone know why (at least in T2) it is not possible to install firefox / mozilla extension as normal user?
14:12 < rxr> installing them as root seems to place those into ~root/.mozilla/firefox/....
14:12 < rxr> not available as user
14:12 < rxr> I wonder what hack we miss
14:30 < rxr> ~1~3~3~1~3~3~l
14:33 < rxr> ouhp
14:33 < sepp> ^- top secret code to launch nukes over the interweb?
14:33 < sepp> i installed 2 firefox extensions with an older version
14:34 < rxr> seems to be caused by the component registratoin we skip
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14:47 < morfoh> hola companeros
14:49 < rxr> hi morfoh
14:50 < morfoh> hi rxr
14:59 < morfoh> rxr: did you downloaded t2-2.1.0-rc3-minimal-athlon-xp ?
14:59 < morfoh> rxr: desktop-athlon-xp is also ready for download
15:03 < rxr> morfoh: I wrote to you that I can not reach port 8000 from inside the TFH
15:03 < rxr> can you use the normal http port? or the https port ?
15:03 < morfoh> ic
15:05 < morfoh> rxr: will check if I can provide port 80 or 443
15:20 < valentin> re
15:25 < morfoh> wb valentin
15:29 < rxr> valentin: firefox extension thing is due out not run component registration during firefox/mozilla built
15:29 < rxr> accidently found that out ...
15:30 < morfoh> rxr: see http URL in query
15:30 < morfoh> rxr: this should work from within the TFH :p
15:31 < rxr> thanks
15:32 < morfoh> your welcome
15:32 < morfoh> you're
15:32 < morfoh> :)
15:37 < CIA-9> rene * r12016 /trunk/package/www/mozplugger/ (. mozplugger.cache mozplugger.conf mozplugger.desc): * added mozplugger (1.7.3)
15:42 < morfoh> rxr: but I guess you've to make the md5 sums again because I created them for every single file :|
15:43 < morfoh> rxr: sorry
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15:53 < morfoh> rxr: don't forget to download desktop ... I also fixed the md5 ;)
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15:55 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12017 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.conf:
15:55 < CIA-9> * fix "libtool: tag CXX unknown" by copying system libtool
15:55 < CIA-9> over generated libtool (and therefore link to libstdc++),
15:55 < CIA-9> should fix #88 IMO (but not tested)
16:12 < jsaw> re for a second...
16:13 < jsaw> rxr: many kde packages fail in the configure check "checking if UIC has KDE plugins available..." with "kdelibs must be installed first". This is due to a "grep klineedit" which would not fail if "grep KLineEdit" would be used, but I do not know if this is the right workaround
16:14 < morfoh> hi jsaw
16:14 < jsaw> rxr: I added <> to kde-conf.in
16:14 < jsaw> hi morfoh
16:16 < valentin> cu later
16:17 < morfoh> cu
16:18 < jsaw> morfoh: can you check r12017?
16:19 < morfoh> jsaw: what kind of check ?
16:19 < jsaw> building balsa or gnome-spell
16:19 < morfoh> jsaw: uuuuhhhh ... *yuck* ... ok I'll try ;)
16:20 < jsaw> you don't have to...
16:20 < jsaw> I was just asking :)
16:20 < jsaw> mnemoc's gonna try it later anyway for 2.1...
16:20 < morfoh> jsaw: yes ... I know. and I was just answering ;)
16:20 < jsaw> :)
16:21 < rxr> re
16:21 < jsaw> hi rxr
16:22 < rxr> jsaw: no ide about klineedit thing
16:23 < jsaw> I only tried building libkexif with the hook_add in kde-conf.in, and it works...
16:23 < rxr> does anyone know why mozilla/firefox do not search /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ?
16:23 < rxr> jsaw: if it builds, maybe just add the workaround ...
16:23 < rxr> (to trunk)
16:23 < rxr> I also finally fixed building samba support into kde ,-)
16:24 < jsaw> I'll re-try the other kde packages, then I'll commit
16:24 < morfoh> rxr: what was wrong with samba support within kde ?
16:25 < jsaw> cu later
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: jsaw cu :)
16:25 < morfoh> oops
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: /opt/firefox/lib/firefox-1.0.6/plugins/ <-- perhaps build time prefix issue ?
16:27 < rxr> morfoh: that would suck
16:29 < morfoh> rxr: ack .. but I wouldn't wondering myself in the case that it's true
16:29 < rxr> root@haudraufinix:/opt/firefox/lib/mozilla/plugins
16:29 < rxr> ^- is not used either
16:30 < morfoh> rxr: do you have sth. like a trunk ref build over there ?
16:30 < rxr> oehm - yes, but due to gcc-4.0 issues quite some errors left to fix
16:31 < morfoh> rxr: the you could try jsaw's r12017 and building balsa or gnome-spell afterwards ? ;)
16:31 < rxr> oehm - /me busy rigth now
16:32 < rxr> with archivista related t2 fixes and other archivsita custom hacks
16:32 < rxr> e.g. this firefox/mozilla crap hurts ..
16:32 < morfoh> rxr: and rc3 athlon-xp desktop is waiting for download to gsmp too ;)
16:32 < morfoh> sorry
16:32 < rxr> and I have to find a way to run this annoying component registration in a build
16:35 < morfoh> rxr: what transfer rates do you have from gsmp ?
16:38 < rxr> 2.53MM/s
16:38 < rxr> MB even
16:40 < rxr> 2.53M
16:40 < rxr> 2.64M
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16:45 < keinek> hi
16:46 < morfoh> hi keinek
16:48 < rxr> loca
16:53 < keinek> hi rxr
16:53 < keinek> Yiiiiiipy! lxsplit
16:54 < keinek> yes is compatible with windows program :)
16:57 < rxr> hi keinek
16:59 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | wc -l
16:59 < rxr> 1838
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17:14 < karasz> hello
17:18 < morfoh> hi karasz
17:19 < karasz> ho, ho long time no c morfoh
17:19 < karasz> wazup?
17:20 < morfoh> karasz: notting ;)
17:21 < karasz> busy?
17:22 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... a lot to do ...
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17:27 < morfoh> wb karasz :)
17:27 < karasz> :)
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17:45 < mnemoc> moin
17:45 < valentin> moin mnemoc
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17:46 < mnemoc> moin valentin
17:51 < rxr_> hey mnemoc !
17:51 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:52 < mnemoc> hi rene
17:52 < morfoh> moin mnemoc !
18:04 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: your prayings were heard by the prelude team ... prelude 0.9.0 is officially released
18:11 < mnemoc> :D
18:14 < CIA-9> rene * r12018 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/menu:
18:14 < CIA-9> * changed archivista to require authentication of the current user
18:14 < CIA-9> to start a Terminal
18:15 < CIA-9> rene * r12019 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/backup.sh:
18:15 < CIA-9> * do not include the scsi-rescan in the backup log, instead list the
18:15 < CIA-9> connected SCSI devices thereafter - in the archivista target
18:18 < CIA-9> rene * r12020 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.template: * disabled Virtual Terminal switching in the archivista target
18:20 < rxr> mnemoc: on the gsmp there are morfoh new ISOs for distribution
18:21 < morfoh> rxr: :)
18:22 * mnemoc logging in
18:25 < CIA-9> chris * r12021 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/ (libprelude.desc pkg_snort_pre.conf): * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc15 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable"
18:26 < CIA-9> chris * r12022 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.0-rc13 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable"
18:27 < CIA-9> chris * r12023 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.0-rc6 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable"
18:28 < CIA-9> chris * r12024 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.0-rc8 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable"
18:29 < CIA-9> chris * r12025 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.0-rc11 -> 0.9.0) and flagged it "Stable"
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18:35 < mnemoc> release.sh improved to support arches with '-', and morfoh ISOs injected around the tree
18:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: news about SCIFI thing?
18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: already phoning regarding this topic
18:50 < rxr> SCIFI ?
18:53 < mnemoc> a client of morpho with a funny name
18:53 < morfoh> it's SCIEL ;)
18:53 < mnemoc> :)
18:53 < mnemoc> SCIFI
18:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: 2
18:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: 3 STABLE=../../stable
18:55 < mnemoc> 2
18:55 < mnemoc> 3 STABLE=../../stable
18:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: 12017 fix gnome-spell and balsa on 2.1 too
18:55 < mnemoc> err
18:56 < mnemoc> i want my mouse back!!
18:59 < rxr> hey!
18:59 < rxr> when a damned plane flies over this house my DVB-T streams is cut off ..
19:00 < mnemoc> sue them
19:00 < morfoh> rxr: you know my solution for low flying planes :p
19:03 < mnemoc> GNOME.minimal.choice is not enough to build gnumeric :(
19:04 < morfoh> .oO( freeradius is finaly working here authenticating against LDAP )o :)
19:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'd like to add sth. like Base/Security/encryption.ask for basic encryption stuff
19:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you think ?
19:05 < mnemoc> ok
19:08 < morfoh> ok ... going home ... cu later guys
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19:24 < CIA-9> amery * r12026 /branches/2.1/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.conf: * merged 12017 from trunk: fixed aspell by replacing it's own libtool by system's (close #88)
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19:39 < rxr> I wonder if we should generally inject the system libtool into package builds
19:39 < rxr> I also added such code quite a few times in the last months ...
19:39 < rxr> e.g. especially for x86-64 biulds ...
19:39 < rxr> builds even
19:40 < _Ragnar_> might be of use, unless the package has a modified libtool
19:47 < rxr> yeah - could cause /a lot/ regressions
19:50 < rxr> BRL-CAD 7.6.0
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19:51 < rxr> oh - we have that already ...
19:51 < Jeffimix> hello
19:51 < rxr> woa - t2 updates are faster than http://freshmaet.net announcements ,-)!
19:51 < Jeffimix> I don't seem to have my kernel build foler et cetera, is there any way to get that? (I need to compile the spca5xx module)
19:51 < Jeffimix> *folder
19:52 < rxr> RIAA Trying to Copy-Protect Radio <- oh my god
19:52 < _Ragnar_> another futile effort ...
19:53 < Jeffimix> now that they're pissing off everyone ^_^
19:53 < Jeffimix> but really, I installed the t2-minimal that I made and it doesn't seem to have the sources of the kernel I am using, is there any way to get them (tried emerging linux26, no uck)
19:55 < rxr> deflate the vanilla kernel tree if you want to manually built kernel modules
19:55 < Jeffimix> like download it from kernel.org? okay, then should I ocmpile it too, or just use that folder / where is the 'build' folder
19:55 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: why do you want to build the kernel by hand?
19:56 < Jeffimix> no it's just the thing (spca5xx, a webcam driver) needs the current kernel's build folder, the info for building modules
19:57 < rxr> Jeffimix: we stoppped shipping the whole build folder
19:57 < mnemoc> option 1) extract your kernel copy at download/mirror/l/linux-foo.tar.bz2
19:57 < mnemoc> option 2) add webcam driver as a t2 package
19:58 < rxr> option 3) deplate the kernel - apply the few t2 patches, add -dist to the EXTRAVER and manual build the module
19:58 < Jeffimix> k
19:58 < Jeffimix> hum
19:58 < _Ragnar_> 'few'
19:58 < Jeffimix> ah I see the tar.bz2 in /download/mirror/l
19:58 < mnemoc> i prefer option 2 :)
19:59 < Jeffimix> ;P
19:59 < Jeffimix> well I can' very well add it if I can't build it, can I?
19:59 < Jeffimix> t
19:59 < Jeffimix> so I'll just tar xfj then bz2 file....
19:59 < _Ragnar_> I just did an emerge and while it was building (and nearly finished) copied the source tree to /usr/src
19:59 < mnemoc> :)
20:00 < Jeffimix> huhm?
20:00 < Jeffimix> I figured out howto avoid recompiling GCC everytime I wanna build something, added it to the blacklist.... T2 is confusing me a bit
20:01 < Jeffimix> but yeah Emerge is very aggressive with req's
20:03 < mnemoc> dependencies are all posible depdencies, not the minimal set
20:03 < Jeffimix> yea itn eeds to learn to differentiate I guess
20:04 < _Ragnar_> it can't really, since that depends on your particular setup
20:04 < mnemoc> using a .cache reporting system, we can 'guess' what is the minimal set
20:05 < _Ragnar_> yea ok
20:05 < Jeffimix> well, like, it ould just require the minimum, but run the stock ./configure when it's compiling, so it'd still take advantage of oother libs
20:05 < rxr> gcc is already in the trunk's blacklist ...
20:05 < _Ragnar_> a nice graphical representation of the dependency tree in Config would be nice anyway ;)
20:05 < Jeffimix> don't look at me
20:05 < rxr> _Ragnar_: on my todo
20:05 < _Ragnar_> =)
20:05 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: trunk:HEAD != 2.1:HEAD
20:06 < Jeffimix> ah, k
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: you should merge those Emerge changes soon ,-)
20:07 < Jeffimix> *sighs* I'm still lost, maybe I'll just compile myself a nice big 2.6.13 kernel and use it
20:07 < mnemoc> yes, i will
20:07 < mnemoc> but i never expected a gcc update on 2.1 branch
20:07 < rxr> hm - my athlon starts to feel slow - I fear my Turion sub-notebook is faster :-(
20:08 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: no, you can't
20:08 < Jeffimix> you're right
20:08 < Jeffimix> I'm just lost is all
20:08 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: 2.6.13 has devfs config removed
20:08 < Jeffimix> ah that would be bad
20:09 < Jeffimix> spca5xx just wants this stinking 'build' directory so it can run make modules for some reason (no rule to make target 'modules')
20:09 < sepp> does someone know a image magick like thing - but uhmm fast?
20:09 < Jeffimix> image magick ;)
20:09 * Jeffimix has no clue
20:10 < mnemoc> sepp: exactimage ;)
20:10 < sepp> in image magick there is a little man with pen and paper in it doing the work slowly
20:12 < sepp> hmm exactimage?
20:12 < Jeffimix> how would I so uhh, how do I add spca5xx as a package to t2?
20:13 * rxr off to susan - cu
20:13 < rxr> Jeffimix: take a look at the ipw2100 package
20:13 < rxr> (in package/network)
20:13 < rxr> ust this postlinux stuff to build it for any kernel build within that build
20:13 < rxr> cu soon
20:14 < mnemoc> ack, option 2 is the right way :)
20:14 < Jeffimix> P
20:14 < Jeffimix> well it's a weird package, no configuration file, just a Makefile
20:14 < mnemoc> sepp: a library rene is writing
20:15 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: no problem with that, take a look into any package having a postlinux.conf file
20:15 * Jeffimix looks
20:16 < Jeffimix> oh those messy SH scripts ;P
20:16 < mnemoc> messy?!
20:16 < mnemoc> messy are ebuilds
20:17 < Jeffimix> sadly I'm not sure what all the files do yet in T2 packages, so I see it, and I know it has to do with compiling, but, meh
20:18 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: how would you build that module have the kernel sources at /foo/bar ?
20:19 < Jeffimix> I never thought about it much, just run make ;)
20:20 < mnemoc> ehm
20:20 < Jeffimix> else # We were called from command line
20:20 < Jeffimix> KERNEL_VERSION = `uname -r`
20:20 < Jeffimix> KERNELDIR := /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/build
20:20 < Jeffimix> PWD := $(shell pwd)
20:20 < Jeffimix> MODULE_INSTALLDIR = /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/kernel/drivers/usb/media/
20:21 < Jeffimix> $(MAKE) -C $(KERNELDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) CC=$(CC) modules
20:21 < Jeffimix> mkdir -p $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR)
20:21 < Jeffimix> rm -f $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR)spca50x.ko
20:21 < Jeffimix> rm -f $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR)et61x.ko
20:21 < Jeffimix> install -c -m 0644 spca5xx.ko $(MODULE_INSTALLDIR)
20:21 < Jeffimix> /sbin/depmod -ae
20:22 < mnemoc> you have to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR and patch that depmod out
20:22 < Jeffimix> those are the important bits anyhow
20:22 < Jeffimix> from its makefile
20:22 < mnemoc> yes
20:22 < Jeffimix> doesn't T2 have depmod tho?
20:22 < mnemoc> svn cp package/network/ipw2100 package/graphic/spca5xx
20:23 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: we do depmod, but not that way, because we don't want to damage host machines
20:24 < Jeffimix> where's the svn repo?
20:25 < mnemoc> uhm? don't you have a copy of t2 tree?
20:25 < Jeffimix> ssh wait maybe I do
20:25 < Jeffimix> hehe
20:26 < Jeffimix> just got confused, was in the wrong directory
20:27 < Jeffimix> then I haveto rename everything to spca5xx.desc et cetera, and replace the content...
20:27 < mnemoc> yes
20:28 < mnemoc> .cache, .conf and .desc to new package name
20:28 < _Ragnar_> mmv 'ipw2100*' spca5xx\#1
20:28 < _Ragnar_> ;D
20:29 < mnemoc> for x in ipw2100.*; do mv $x spca5xx.{x#*.}; done
20:29 < mnemoc> for x in ipw2100.*; do mv $x spca5xx.${x#*.}; done
20:29 < _Ragnar_> *g*
20:29 < _Ragnar_> mmv is faster
20:29 < _Ragnar_> ;D
20:29 < mnemoc> :)
20:30 < Jeffimix> hmm
20:32 < mnemoc> ?
20:32 < Jeffimix> nothing just figuring this out
20:32 < mnemoc> pkg_linux26_post does the registration
20:33 < Jeffimix> huh?
20:33 < mnemoc> spca5xx.conf set the non generic things to build spca5xx userspace
20:33 < mnemoc> just custmain=true in your case
20:33 < mnemoc> space5xx.desc set version, download location, etc...
20:34 < mnemoc> once registred, linux26 will build your package using settings at postlinux.conf
20:34 < Jeffimix> ok
20:35 < mnemoc> you have to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR
20:35 < mnemoc> using var_append makeopt
20:35 < mnemoc> and var_append makeinstopt if your package does 'make install'
20:35 < Jeffimix> yeah it does
20:37 < mnemoc> makeinstopt="$makeopt install" <--- make install use the same arguments that make all but with a trailing 'install'
20:37 < mnemoc> from ipw2100's postlinux.conf
20:39 < Jeffimix> uhm de dum
20:39 < Jeffimix> var_append makeopt " " "KMISC=$moduledir/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/"
20:40 < Jeffimix> I need to change that to /usb/media right
20:40 < _Ragnar_> yea
20:40 < Jeffimix> I'm not sure what this does
20:40 < mnemoc> no
20:40 < Jeffimix> var_append makeopt " " "CONFIG_IPW2100_LEGACY_FW_LOAD=y"
20:40 < Jeffimix> hmm
20:41 < mnemoc> on MODULE_INSTALLDIR
20:41 < mnemoc> that's what your package use
20:41 < mnemoc> ignore that line
20:41 < mnemoc> to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR
20:41 < mnemoc> err
20:41 < mnemoc> you only need to replace KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR
20:42 < Jeffimix> erm
20:42 < mnemoc> nothing about hostap or CONFIG_IPW2100_LEGACY_FW_LOAD for you
20:42 < Jeffimix> so I have to replace those pieces in spca's make file, and get rid of depmod somehow
20:42 < mnemoc> with a patch
20:43 < Jeffimix> sorry I'm just trying to change the files in the new folder I made from the ipw2100 thing
20:43 < mnemoc> cp Makefile Makefile.orig
20:43 < mnemoc> vi Makefile ..... remove depmod line
20:43 < mnemoc> diff -u ./Makefile.orirg ./Makefile > /foo/t2-root/package/graphics/yourthing/no_depmod.patch
20:44 < rxr> re
20:47 < Jeffimix> ok got it
20:48 < Jeffimix> then do I have to edit the .conf files in my new folder?
20:48 < mnemoc> uhm?
20:49 < mnemoc> that was what you have been modifying afaik
20:49 < Jeffimix> svn cp package/network/ipw2100 package/graphic/spca5xx
20:49 < Jeffimix> yeah
20:49 < Jeffimix> the nodepmod patch is in there, and I've modified the .desc and a bit of the postlinux.conf
20:49 < _Ragnar_> rxr: why you commit gplflash anyway? it doesn't even build ...
20:50 < Jeffimix> I just need to figure out what all the files in there do and change them I guess
20:50 < Jeffimix> heh I was gona download that, thanks
20:51 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: you have also replace nodepmod.patch because that one only applies to ipw2100, not spca5xx
20:51 < Jeffimix> yeah I made a no_depmod.patch so when I saw the other file I just mv'ed over it
20:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: and it eats all keyboard input on your browser if you use it
20:52 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: :)
20:52 < Jeffimix> right now (i got mv and used that) it looks like: . nodepmod.patch postlinux.conf spca5xx.conf .svn
20:52 < Jeffimix> .. pkg_linux26_post.conf spca5xx.cache spca5xx.desc
20:53 < Jeffimix> I got mmv rather
20:54 < Jeffimix> I just wish I had more of a clue of what a lot of these variables in the files did
20:54 < Jeffimix> like, spca5xx.conf only has one line in it, custmain=true, do I even need that
20:54 < mnemoc> what variable is not intuitive?
20:55 < mnemoc> custmain=true is there to tell T2 that your package doesn't do anything on userspace
20:55 < Jeffimix> alright
20:56 < mnemoc> custmain means "custom main function"
20:56 < Jeffimix> I edited pkg_linux26_post.conf to have var_append blabla "spca5xx"
20:56 < Jeffimix> ok, so main as in kernel
20:57 < Jeffimix> then the only bit that seems confusing is.... in the file postlinux.conf, I edited the moduledir, but I not sure what the next line is good for, should I just delete it? var_append makeopt " " "CONFIG_IPW2100_LEGACY_FW_LOAD=y"
21:00 < mnemoc> yes, delete it
21:00 < mnemoc> paste at..... http://42.vg or http://pastebin.ca what you have on postlinux.conf
21:02 < Jeffimix> k
21:03 < Jeffimix> http://pastebin.ca/23461
21:04 < mnemoc> remove the hostap related lines
21:04 < Jeffimix> alright
21:04 < Jeffimix> then the KVER stuff is kernel version et cetera
21:04 < Jeffimix> and should stay?
21:05 < mnemoc> yes, _but_ with the names i told you before
21:05 < mnemoc> KERNEL_VERSION KERNELDIR MODULE_INSTALLDIR
21:05 < mnemoc> MODULE_INSTALLDIR instead of KMISC
21:06 < mnemoc> KERNEL_VERSION instead of KVER
21:06 < mnemoc> and KERNELDIR instead of KSRC
21:07 < Jeffimix> okay, sorry
21:09 < Jeffimix> okay http://pastebin.ca/23462 has the new one now
21:09 < Jeffimix> hum, shouldn't var_append makeopt " " "CC=$KCC" read moe like GCC instead of KCC?
21:09 < Jeffimix> or is the KCC string the gcc version you compiled the kernel with
21:11 < Jeffimix> thanks for all the help BTW
21:11 < mnemoc> remove the two hostap lines on top
21:11 < Jeffimix> alright
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21:12 * Jeffimix espies an babylon five fan
21:12 < _Ragnar_> ;D
21:12 < Jeffimix> and then that should be all the modificatons I need to make to the package?
21:15 < Jeffimix> argh, well, I gotta get to my last class of the day
21:15 < Jeffimix> I'll be back in 1.5~2 hours
21:15 < mnemoc> cu Jeffimix
21:15 < Jeffimix> I'll bug you more then, once it works here maybe I can submit it
21:16 < Jeffimix> thanks, bye
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21:16 < _Lewellyn> bah. apparently a few mins after i left, the build failed...
21:16 < _Lewellyn> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-09-19 21:33 ?)0?7?[?47h?[1;24r?[m?[4l?[?1h?=?[m?[?1h?=?[?1h?=?[m?[37m?[40m?[1;1H-?[6;1H.err
21:16 < _Lewellyn> wtf is that? i can also past the output on the build terminal
21:20 < mnemoc> i can't read what you pasted
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21:20 < jsaw> re
21:20 < _Lewellyn> nor can i :(
21:24 < _Lewellyn> : integer expression expected
21:24 < _Lewellyn> Package build ended abnormally! | -1 | -2 ... | -8 | -9 ] \
21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> Usually a package build creates either a *.log -chroot ] \
21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> or a *.err file. Neither the 1st nor the 2nd isuto } ] \
21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> there. So I'm going to create a *.err file nowupdate ] \
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21:24 < _Lewellyn> !> and abort the build process.refix ] [ -norebuild ] \
21:24 < jsaw> dialog crash?
21:24 < _Lewellyn> root@tuffet:/usr/src/t2/t2-stable#
21:25 < _Lewellyn> that's what was on my screen
21:25 < _Lewellyn> i was running Build-Target
21:25 < _Lewellyn> other gibberish on-screen indicates it died on 298. lemme look.
21:26 < _Lewellyn> ah. hm.
21:28 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12027 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/kde-conf.in:
21:28 < CIA-9> * work-around some strange kdelib detection (some UIC test,
21:28 < CIA-9> where it is grepped for klineedit, but KLineEdit is actually
21:28 < CIA-9> there): sed -i "s/klineedit/KLineEdit/" configure ... works
21:28 < CIA-9> here (TM), but...
21:32 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12028 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/khotkeys-fix.patch: * fix khotkeys/control/ui of kdebase
21:39 < rxr> hm - even prefix=/usr mozilla does not open lib/mozilla/plugins here ...
21:41 < jsaw> MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME
21:41 < rxr> jsaw: ?
21:41 < jsaw> $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/plugins
21:45 < _Lewellyn> wow. i think i borked it.
21:45 < _Lewellyn> i tried building again...
21:45 < _Lewellyn> touch: cannot touch `/usr/src/t2/t2-stable/build//var/adm/logs/0-00-dirtree.err': No such file or directory
21:45 < mnemoc> O.O
21:45 < _Lewellyn> where'd the target name go?
21:46 < _Lewellyn> or config name, rather
21:46 < mnemoc> your config file is broken
21:46 < jsaw> better umount all loops and rund fsck
21:46 < _Lewellyn> i have no loopback filesystems mounted.
21:47 < _Lewellyn> i have about 30 mounts on this system, but none loopback
21:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: your config is broken
21:47 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: how can i fix it?
21:47 < _Lewellyn> "reselect everything" :/
21:47 < mnemoc> :(
21:48 < _Lewellyn> should i svn up mnemosyne2, btw?
21:51 < mnemoc> if you want
21:52 < mnemoc> i svn up by cron :p
21:54 < _Lewellyn> i wasn't going to hit the svn server unless there was a need (resource politeness), but if you svn up by cron... :)
21:54 < mnemoc> :)
21:55 < mnemoc> i'm not polite
21:57 < _Lewellyn> ah. you renamed VoiceOverIP ;)
21:57 < _Lewellyn> now i have to reconfigure :)
21:57 < mnemoc> i didn't
21:57 < _Lewellyn> btw, my config loaded fine with ./scripts/Config
21:57 < mnemoc> i'm fighting tsort
21:57 < _Lewellyn> huh. it's in Network/Communication now
22:02 < _Lewellyn> ok. it's building fine now from where it left off
22:08 < _Lewellyn> btw, 2 questions: what do the following 2 lines mean?
22:08 < _Lewellyn> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
22:08 < _Lewellyn> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 0.00% cache hits so far.
22:08 < mnemoc> the first is about make -j
22:08 < mnemoc> the scond about ccache
22:09 < _Lewellyn> ok. and it always reads 0.00%. is that abnormal?
22:10 < mnemoc> on the first builds there is nothing catched, or reusabled normaly
22:16 < karasz> Oracle sucks
22:17 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12029 /trunk/package/base/attr/attr.conf: * install the correct .la file instead of deleting it
22:17 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12030 /trunk/package/base/acl/acl.conf: * install the correct .la file instead of deleting it
22:18 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12031 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus-eiciel/ (. nautilus-eiciel.desc): * add acl editor for nautilus (0.8.2)
22:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: do we want .la files now?
22:18 < jsaw> we still have them... so
22:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: i thought they where libtool temporal stuff
22:19 < mnemoc> were*
22:19 < jsaw> no, not only temporary
22:20 < jsaw> but if they are used for something usefull... I don't know...
22:21 < _Ragnar_> they store library dependencies
22:22 < _Ragnar_> so libtool can link -lm -ldl -lpthread if it encounters libasound.la
22:23 < mnemoc> *hungry*
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22:23 < mnemoc> so they are a-good-thing-to-have?
22:23 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
22:24 < morfoh> hey companero :)
22:24 * morfoh is tired ... :\
22:26 < _Ragnar_> yes they are (if the information in them is correct)
22:26 < morfoh> hi _Ragnar_ :)
22:28 < _Ragnar_> hey morfoh
22:29 < _Lewellyn> gah. it seems like gettext takes longer to compile than gcc :/
22:29 < karasz> hi morfoh
22:29 < _Lewellyn> of course, it could be prejudice against gettext, on my part :)
22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: hi _Lewellyn ... but your mnemosyne should be complete yet
22:30 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: yes, it should have been. but it died within minutes of me leaving last night
22:30 < _Lewellyn> so it's continuing now.
22:30 < morfoh> or is you workstation as slow as your connection ? :p
22:30 < _Lewellyn> no. gcc builds in < 8 mins. :)
22:31 < morfoh> :)
22:31 < _Lewellyn> i just wish compiling used more of my cpu :(
22:31 < _Lewellyn> Cpu0 : 6.6% us, 8.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 69.1% id, 12.3% wa, 3.7% hi, 0.0% si
22:31 < _Lewellyn> Cpu1 : 6.6% us, 11.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 71.1% id, 11.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si
22:32 < _Lewellyn> are there any options to change niceness or something? :)
22:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12032 /trunk/package/multimedia/gplflash/gplflash.desc: * [P] increment, build after ffmpeg
22:34 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: IO is a bigger problem than CPU
22:34 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes ... a shower and a hair brush :p
22:34 < _Lewellyn> i'm not seeming very io bound, iehter
22:34 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: BAH
22:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12033 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * update libtool (1.5.18 -> 1.5.20)
22:34 < _Lewellyn> :)
22:35 < mnemoc> F* tsort!
22:35 < mnemoc> F* F* F*
22:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh .... what's up ?
22:35 < _Lewellyn> ya
22:35 < _Lewellyn> you using it or packaging it?
22:35 < _Ragnar_> bbl, lunch
22:35 < _Lewellyn> enjoy, _Ragnar_
22:35 < morfoh> cu _Ragnar_
22:36 < mnemoc> using it on mnemosyne.pl (modules engine) .... and does whatever it wants instead of what it should
22:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, what kind of encryption stuff do we need on memosyne2 from your point of view ?
22:37 < mnemoc> ssl :p
22:37 < morfoh> :D
22:38 < mnemoc> what do you need, and what do you suggest?
22:38 < morfoh> gpg and friends can be helpfull for desktops
22:38 < morfoh> mail encryption etc ...
22:39 < morfoh> prelude needs gnutls, opencdk and some gpg stuff too
22:39 < morfoh> samhain can use gpg too
22:41 < mnemoc> add them to the module which needs them
22:41 < mnemoc> no need to add a new module just to be a dependency
22:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... no problem
22:42 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: what SHOULD tsort do? the man page is nonexistant and the info page is pissing me off
22:43 < mnemoc> GPG is another thing.... i'm not sure what to do with it
22:43 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: sort tokens based on partial sorts
22:43 < mnemoc> a c
22:43 < mnemoc> b c
22:43 < mnemoc> can be: {a,b,c} or {b,a,c}
22:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: encrypting ?
22:43 < _Lewellyn> the info page makes it look like you have to sort it before tsorting it
22:44 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: uhm?
22:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: i guess we should add GPG by default on all our MUA modules
22:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ...
22:45 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: we're trying to figure out how to use it here in the office
22:45 < _Lewellyn> we're convinced the author was stoned
22:45 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :D
22:45 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: of course he was :p
22:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: this is what i'm tsorting http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/tsort.txt
22:47 < _Lewellyn> it looks like all of coreutils is kinda wonky...
22:47 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12034 /trunk/package/gnome2/pan/ (pan.desc stupid-gcc4-strictness.patch):
22:47 < CIA-9> * update pan (0.4.12 -> 0.4.12.91) and
22:47 < CIA-9> * add gcc4 fix
22:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: but the result doesn't make sense
22:51 < _Lewellyn> what output are you looking for?
22:53 < mnemoc> A B means 'i need to set A before setting B'
22:53 < mnemoc> APACHE, for example, should be after NETWORK and before PHP
22:54 < mnemoc> GTK needs X, and GNOME needs GTK
22:54 < mnemoc> so it should be X,GTK,GNOME
22:54 < _Lewellyn> APACHE was correct, here
22:55 < jsaw> all sorted correctly here...
22:55 < jsaw> (the examples you gave)
22:55 < mnemoc> :(
22:55 < _Lewellyn> same there, too
22:55 < mnemoc> so tsort hates _me_
22:56 < mnemoc> i get random crap
22:56 < mnemoc> it even changes from call to call
22:56 < jsaw> tsort --version: 5.2.1
22:56 < _Lewellyn> tsort (coreutils) 5.0
22:56 < _Lewellyn> Written by Mark Kettenis.
22:57 < mnemoc> 5.2.1 here
22:57 < mnemoc> .oO
22:57 < jsaw> o_O
22:58 < jsaw> some optimization problem with gcc?
22:58 < mnemoc> normal T2 for p4
22:58 < jsaw> p1 here...
22:58 < mnemoc> :)
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23:03 < _Lewellyn> oh. ccache is working now :)
23:03 < mnemoc> :)
23:03 < _Lewellyn> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 64.10% (250 hits, 140 misses)
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23:08 < Jeffimix> hello everybody
23:08 < jsaw> hi Jeffimix
23:10 < Jeffimix> whats up
23:11 < jsaw> do { patching; fixing; compiling; } while (true);
23:12 < Jeffimix> hahaha
23:12 < jsaw> :)
23:12 < Jeffimix> I'm trying to make a package for my spca5xx
23:12 < Jeffimix> I think I have it all, I just hope it works
23:14 < jsaw> yeah, kdebase built
23:14 < Jeffimix> arg
23:14 < jsaw> ?
23:15 < jsaw> Jeffimix: if you need some more examples of additional kernel packages: echo package/*/*/postlinux.conf
23:16 < Jeffimix> k
23:16 < Jeffimix> hum
23:16 < jsaw> Otherwise you can also send what you have (to the ML) and ask for help ...
23:17 < jsaw> (including a description what fails...)
23:17 < Jeffimix> I think it couldn't find my package on any mirrors, heh
23:17 < Jeffimix> what do I use for something local then
23:18 < jsaw> from "scripts/Download --help": -alt-dir
23:19 < jsaw> but is "spca5xx" source code nowhere to be found?
23:19 < Jeffimix> well it's on the website, but not any mirros, cause of it not being a package yet
23:19 < Jeffimix> I think it's trying to look on the mirrors
23:19 < jsaw> Jeffimix: if not on mirror, Download tries to use the original location
23:19 < mnemoc> ?
23:20 < Jeffimix> hum de dum
23:20 < mnemoc> :)
23:20 < Jeffimix> k
23:20 < mnemoc> what [D] did you set on spca5xx.desc?
23:20 < _Lewellyn> hrm. is there a way to see what packages are to be built with Build-Target?
23:21 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: grep '^X' config/foo/packages
23:21 < Jeffimix> !> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR ..
23:21 < Jeffimix> !> [ writing debug log to /usr/src/t2-stable/src.spca5xx.default.20050 ..
23:21 < Jeffimix> !> File not found: download/mirror//
23:21 < Jeffimix> !> Did you run ./scripts/Download for this package?
23:21 < Jeffimix> !> Due to previous errors, no 9-spca5xx.log file!
23:21 < Jeffimix> !> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the bui ..
23:21 < Jeffimix> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-spca5xx.out -> 9-spca5xx.err
23:21 < Jeffimix> == 09/20/05 17:21:13 =[9]=> Aborted building package spca5xx.
23:21 < _Lewellyn> that will tell me when they'll be built, too?
23:21 < Jeffimix> oops, sorry
23:21 < _Lewellyn> aha
23:22 < _Lewellyn> thanks, mnemoc
23:22 < jsaw> Jeffimix: fix your "[D]" line...
23:22 < _Lewellyn> i knew there was a way i came across it last night, but couldn't remember for the life of me
23:22 < Jeffimix> [D] http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/spca5xx-20050906.tar.gz
23:22 < Jeffimix> seems to work in ffox anyhow
23:23 < mnemoc> that is bogus
23:23 < jsaw> [D] spca5xx-20050906.tar.gz http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/
23:23 < mnemoc> no!
23:23 < mnemoc> checksum
23:23 < jsaw> grummel
23:23 < Jeffimix> hrm?
23:23 < jsaw> [D] 0 spca5xx-20050906.tar.gz http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/
23:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D
23:23 < Jeffimix> is that how it should look?
23:23 < jsaw> yes, the last one
23:24 < Jeffimix> well it DLed now anyhow
23:25 < Jeffimix> yeah well Emerge didn't complain but I don't have the module anyhow, hum de dum *messes around*
23:26 < jsaw> you have to build the kernel I'm afraid...
23:26 < jsaw> no the package
23:26 < jsaw> s/no/not/
23:26 < Jeffimix> so like emerge-pkg linux26 spca5xx
23:26 < jsaw> yep
23:26 < Jeffimix> and this'll actually work? ;)
23:26 < _Lewellyn> one way to know! ;)
23:27 < jsaw> depends... if your postlinux.conf is correct, then yes...
23:27 * Jeffimix tries it, call me in an hour, heh
23:27 < jsaw> :)
23:27 < Jeffimix> good thing I think I have the buggered cached
23:27 < jsaw> gotta leave
23:27 < Jeffimix> the last line in the linux26 thing is cute, Also downloading xorg
23:28 < Jeffimix> cya jsaw, thanks for the help
23:28 < jsaw> cu later
23:28 < _Lewellyn> adios jsaw
23:28 < Jeffimix> should that last line be there (I didn't think X had anything kernel side)
23:28 < Jeffimix> ack
23:29 < Jeffimix> == 09/20/05 17:28:27 =[9]=> Aborted building package linux26.
23:29 < Jeffimix> !> Makefile:488: .config: No such file or directory
23:29 < Jeffimix> !> Makefile:533: /usr/src/t2-stable/src.linux26.default.20050920.17272 ..
23:29 < Jeffimix> !> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/t2-stable/src.linux26.de ..
23:30 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: publish your src.linux26.default.20050920.17272*/ERROR-LOG
23:31 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: DRM module comes with xorg afaik
23:31 < Jeffimix> k
23:32 < Jeffimix> it's kinda long, where should I paste it, pastebin?
23:33 < mnemoc> no paste, publish
23:33 < Jeffimix> this is probly a T2 error reporting thing isn't it
23:34 < Jeffimix> my website is down atm so I can't publish it there
23:34 < Jeffimix> hehe
23:34 < mnemoc> no... just a web or ftp place to download the file
23:34 < mnemoc> :(
23:34 < Jeffimix> I run it on this PC, heh
23:35 < Jeffimix> any Emergeable ftp servers?
23:35 < mnemoc> gatling, a web server
23:36 < mnemoc> uhm, not at 2.1
23:36 < Jeffimix> hmm?
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23:36 < keinek> hi
23:36 < mnemoc> hi keinek
23:36 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: http://42.vg/
23:37 < mnemoc> uhm, no
23:38 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: paste the last 50 lines of the file
23:38 < _Lewellyn> hoi keinek
23:38 < Jeffimix> http://42.vg/79258
23:39 < mnemoc> wtf?!
23:39 < Jeffimix> que?
23:40 < mnemoc> arch=undef?
23:40 < Jeffimix> odd
23:40 * Jeffimix runs config again
23:40 < Jeffimix> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 25230 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
23:41 < _Lewellyn> wonderful :)
23:41 < Jeffimix> I might've messed something up me thinks
23:41 < mnemoc> ack
23:41 < _Lewellyn> i don't feel so bad about borking mine now
23:41 < mnemoc> :)
23:41 < Jeffimix> lol
23:41 < _Lewellyn> though i'd love to know how the hell i pulled that off...
23:41 < Jeffimix> me too
23:41 < Jeffimix> but anyhow
23:42 < Jeffimix> do I just rm 0rf t2-stable after backing up the spca5xx folder?
23:42 < _Lewellyn> Jeffimix: what is $0?
23:42 < Jeffimix> rm -rf
23:42 < Jeffimix> oh that error message?
23:42 < Jeffimix> I have no lcue
23:42 < Jeffimix> clue
23:42 < _Lewellyn> i.e. what args are you passing?
23:42 < Jeffimix> I was just running ./scripts/Config
23:42 < _Lewellyn> no options?
23:43 < Jeffimix> nopers
23:43 < _Lewellyn> AHA!
23:43 < Jeffimix> lol
23:43 < Jeffimix> bstards
23:43 < _Lewellyn> http://t2-project.org/buildintro.html
23:43 < mnemoc> o.o
23:43 < _Lewellyn> read that :)
23:43 < Jeffimix> I think I printed it somewhere here
23:43 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: seems that Config needs more robustness...
23:43 < Jeffimix> should I say -cfg thispc?
23:43 < Jeffimix> or hwatever
23:44 < Jeffimix> *whatever
23:44 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: if omited 'default' is used
23:44 < Jeffimix> k
23:44 < Jeffimix> and default is borked eh
23:44 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: rm -rf config/default :p
23:45 < Jeffimix> ./scripts/Config
23:45 < Jeffimix> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 25996 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
23:45 < mnemoc> -nobashmod
23:46 < Jeffimix> There we go
23:46 < Jeffimix> enough cajoling and I can get you to asolve my problems ;)
23:47 * _Lewellyn goes to look at what bashmod is
23:47 * Jeffimix tries again nad hopes it don't matter uch
23:47 < Jeffimix> much
23:47 < _Lewellyn> huh
23:47 < Jeffimix> nothing
23:48 < _Lewellyn> same error?
23:48 < Jeffimix> funky Emerge reran the script, and it crashed (again) but emerge went on
23:48 < Jeffimix> well with -nobashmod it work for me
23:48 < _Lewellyn> ah.
23:48 < mnemoc> uhm
23:48 < Jeffimix> I umm, kinda hope it didn't overwrite default
23:49 < Jeffimix> my skill with PCs is making them crash in new and unexpected ways
23:49 < mnemoc> Jeffimix: change Build-Tool to call Config with -nobashmod
23:50 < mnemoc> no idea how you broke your bash
23:50 < Jeffimix> exactly
23:51 < Jeffimix> so up at the top, should I change it to config=default -nobashmod ?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> perhaps rebuilding bash at some point would be wise :)
23:51 < Jeffimix> pah I will continue with my broke-ass one
23:51 < Jeffimix> ;)
23:52 < Jeffimix> *yawns* the kernel build hasn't borked yet this time, I guess it takes a couple minutes
23:52 < Jeffimix> I have all kinds of cute problems
23:53 < Jeffimix> I have ffox, can run it from xterm 'firefox' but in windowmaker, it complains couldn't run command 'exec firefox'
23:53 < _Ragnar_> re
23:54 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: re. how was food?
23:54 < _Ragnar_> good ;)
23:54 < _Ragnar_> way too much tho O_O
23:55 < Jeffimix> and I need to look into adding a bunch of new folders to my path's.... stupid GnuStep, heh
23:55 < Jeffimix> something with export, but I can never remember the syntax
23:57 < _Lewellyn> no such thing as too much good food
23:57 < _Lewellyn> export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH ;)
23:57 < Jeffimix> yeah that'll be good for all the apps
23:57 < _Lewellyn> or for true bourne goodness, you can split it into the components
23:58 < Jeffimix> GnuSTEP puts everything into new folder for some reason
23:58 < _Lewellyn> PATH=blah:$PATH; export PATH
23:58 < Jeffimix> s
23:58 < _Lewellyn> lame.
23:58 < Jeffimix> cd /usr
23:58 < Jeffimix> ls
23:58 < Jeffimix> err wrong window
23:58 < _Lewellyn> ls: Permission denied.
23:58 < _Ragnar_> O_O
23:59 < Jeffimix> anyhow, yeah, there's a GNUstep, System et cetera folders now
23:59 < Jeffimix> and in System is like, Tools, Applications, Library
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