--- Log opened Sun Jun 19 00:00:00 2005
00:07 < valentin> cu rxr
00:07 < valentin> hi lewellyn
00:09 < mnemoc> rxr: and rc1? :'(
00:09 < lewellyn> valentin: just popped in for a minute. going now. :(
00:10 < valentin> farewell lewellyn
00:10 < valentin> mnemoc: i want to know, too
00:11 < mnemoc> valentin: we were just waiting to have .iso-s on an announceable place
00:12 < mnemoc> valentin: and yesterday he said today..... :\
00:12 < valentin> so he started a new cms ?
00:13 < mnemoc> who?
00:13 < valentin> the morfoh
00:13 < mnemoc> no idea... i haven't seen him
00:49 < sepp_> good night all
01:24 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp_
01:26 < valentin> gn8 all
01:27 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
01:27 < valentin> happy hacking mnemoc
01:27 < valentin> cu
01:48 < mnemoc> :)
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04:53 < mnemoc> hi ojh
04:53 < ojh> Hi.
04:55 < ojh> Not to start any wars (asking about another distro) but has any one tried Gobo Linux? It seems to be built around an application-directory like concept with a set of wrapper scripts to the package build process.
04:55 < ojh> Any comparisons to ROCK/T2?
04:59 < ojh> mnemoc: I have not got Zero Install to build yet. LazyFS compiles but the module gives a symbol not found error. I'll need to try updating the LazyFS package or something.
05:00 < mnemoc> never heard of Gobo Linux before
05:01 < mnemoc> sounds like yet another customizable distro
05:01 < ojh> mnemoc: I also found I need to make some updates to the dbus package, the Python bindings are built at present. Not sure about the other bindings. I need to fix that before the ROX DE and Zero Install system will be able to function fully.
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05:02 < mnemoc> i thought wae had the last dbus
05:02 < ojh> mnemoc: GOBO is a lot more then that . . . they have abolished /usr /lib /bin . . . and so on. see: http://gobolinux.org/index.php?lang=en_US&page=doc/articles/clueless
05:03 < mnemoc> djb did something similar about 10 years ago
05:03 < ojh> mnemoc: Yes, it is the latest dbus but the scripting language bindings are not being built currently.
05:05 < ojh> mnemoc: I think that they are optional switches that need to be specified when running the ./configure for dbus.
05:06 < mnemoc> ojh: send a patch for trunk/dbus to enable those scripts
05:06 < ojh> mnemoc: I need to review the build instructions for dbus, but that would make it depend on any languages that bindings are generated for. So it might end up depending on Python, Mono . . . etc.
05:07 < mnemoc> uhm
05:07 < mnemoc> pkginstall foo && var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--enable-fooo-support' is the usual hack
05:07 < mnemoc> my link is blinking a lot
05:08 < ojh> OK.
05:09 < ojh> mnemoc: Oh, by the way the latest Live CD works flawlessly on both my desktop and laptop computers.
05:10 < ojh> Good work :)
05:10 < mnemoc> :)
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05:49 < ojh> mnemoc: I will.
05:49 < mnemoc> :)
05:54 < ojh> mnemoc: I still think that T2 is the best foundation for my project - it'll just be a bit more work to get the Zero Install and ROX DE stack operating smoothly . . .
05:55 < mnemoc> good
05:56 < mnemoc> our goal is that you can do your project only worring in the real issues of what makes your project different than the others
06:00 < ojh> :)
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07:59 < rxr> re
07:59 < mnemoc> hi rxr
07:59 < rxr> moin mnemoc
08:54 < rxr> mnemoc: I should announce -rc1 today ?
09:00 < mnemoc> rxr: if we can share .iso-s, yes, sure
09:01 < mnemoc> rxr: any news about jeru's iso-s?
09:02 < mnemoc> i have my rc2-pre1 reference build finished
09:02 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
09:03 < rxr> mnemoc: no - no new feedback
09:03 < rxr> mnemoc: but he said he urgently needs to finish finding a new flat
09:03 < mnemoc> rxr: oh
09:04 < rxr> 28 fails - how many new ?
09:04 < mnemoc> 28-17=11
09:04 < mnemoc> some are due to topdir
09:05 < mnemoc> some cascade
09:05 < rxr> ok - I explicitly look into those
09:05 < rxr> today
09:05 < mnemoc> thanks
09:05 < rxr> first I need to write a 2.6.12 news for golem - and then the day is T2 day ,-)
09:05 < rxr> tough I first update linux in t2 ... ,-)
09:05 < mnemoc> :D
09:05 < rxr> svn rm package/base/linux24/15-install-in-boot.patch
09:05 < rxr> any objections ?
09:06 < rxr> this is for manual rebuild only - and I never in my life did a make install in a linux tree anyway
09:06 < rxr> I think we should not patch this - and the patch does not apply to 2.6.12 anymoree
09:06 < mnemoc> why?
09:06 < rxr> though I could easily fix that ...
09:06 < mnemoc> who installs on /boot, make install or linux24.conf?
09:07 < rxr> linux24.conf does (as I always did in the past) install manually - using cp and such
09:07 < rxr> the patch is for manually make install's anyway
09:07 < mnemoc> svn rm in that case i think
09:07 < rxr> the build system does not rely on that patch
09:08 < mnemoc> uhm
09:09 < mnemoc> ....
09:09 < mnemoc> considering we don't support hand-made kernels i think we can remove it
09:10 < mnemoc> btw, if you fix something i merge locally the revisions and re-test before commiting
09:11 < rxr> even if we would explicitly make hand building more easy I think it is very bad behaviour to teach people to do make install - when on every other dist this ends up with files in /root ...
09:12 < mnemoc> svn rm it :)
09:12 < rxr> ok - athlon and ppc linux26 Emerge running
09:12 < rxr> though I need to look if there is an updated skas patch ...
09:12 < rxr> I disabled it for now - since I don't use it ...
09:13 < mnemoc> pkgsel: O uml-utilities
09:14 < rxr> vi config/default/packages - so I get reminded that I need to fix s.th. on the next build ,-)
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09:14 < mnemoc> :)
09:14 < minto> Hi mnemoc
09:14 < minto> Hi *
09:14 < mnemoc> hi mi*
09:15 < minto> You're up late
09:15 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep now
09:15 < minto> sleep well then
09:15 < rxr> minto: I answer you mail soon - of course I would appreciate to come over ,-)
09:16 < minto> rxr: Very nice
09:16 < rxr> mnemoc: good n8 and greet your family ,-)!
09:16 < CIA-1> amery * r9740 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/evince.desc: * repriorized evince after poppler
09:17 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr, minto
09:17 < mnemoc> greetings to susan
09:18 < mnemoc> n8
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09:43 < azureus> Good morning
09:43 < minto> hi azureus
09:43 < azureus> hi minto
09:53 < azureus> I must restart now :(
09:55 < CIA-1> susan * r9741 /trunk/package/gnome2/hotapplet/hotapplet.desc: * added url to hotapplet
09:58 < CIA-1> susan * r9742 /trunk/package/gnome2/ggv/ggv.desc: * updated ggv (2.8.4 -> 2.8.5)
10:01 < CIA-1> susan * r9743 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnocl/gnocl.desc: * updated gnocl (0.5.18 -> 0.9.90)
10:01 < CIA-1> susan * r9744 /trunk/package/gnome2/gok/gok.desc: * updated gok (1.0.3 -> 1.0.5)
10:02 < CIA-1> susan * r9745 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/evince.desc: * updated evince (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1)
10:03 < CIA-1> susan * r9746 /trunk/package/gnome2/seahorse/seahorse.desc: * updated seahorse (0.7.7 -> 0.7.8)
10:03 < CIA-1> susan * r9747 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-mag/gnome-mag.desc: * updated gnome-mag (0.12.0 -> 0.12.1)
10:04 < CIA-1> susan * r9748 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * updated pygtk (2.6.1 -> 2.6.2)
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10:04 < CIA-1> susan * r9749 /trunk/package/gnome2/gthumb/gthumb.desc: * updated gthumb (2.6.3 -> 2.6.5)
10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9750 /trunk/package/gnome2/gail/gail.desc: * updated gail (1.8.3 -> 1.8.4)
10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9751 /trunk/package/gnome2/netspeed_applet/netspeed_applet.desc: * updated netspeed_applet (0.12 -> 0.12.1)
10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9752 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/bluefish.desc: * updated bluefish (1.0 -> 1.0.1)
10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9753 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.10.1 -> 2.10.3)
10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9754 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-media/gnome-media.desc: * updated gnome-media (2.10.1 -> 2.10.2)
10:06 < CIA-1> susan * r9755 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomedb/libgnomedb.desc: * updated libgnomedb (1.3.1 -> 1.3.3)
10:06 < CIA-1> susan * r9756 /trunk/package/gnome2/gkrellm/gkrellm.desc: * updated gkrellm (2.2.5 -> 2.2.7)
10:06 < CIA-1> susan * r9757 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/libgda.desc: * updated libgda (1.3.1 -> 1.3.3)
10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9758 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnet1/gnet1.desc: * updated gnet1 (1.3.0 -> 1.3.2)
10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9759 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated glib (2.6.4 -> 2.6.5)
10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9760 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.1.14 -> 2.1.15)
10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9761 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
10:08 < CIA-1> susan * r9762 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-python-extras/gnome-python-extras.desc: * updated gnome-python-extras (2.10.1 -> 2.10.2)
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10:12 < azureus> re
10:14 < rxr> /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119164641.21603.a8c02d02/ipw2100-1.0.5/ieee80211.
10:14 < rxr> h:647: error: redefinition of 'is_multicast_ether_addr'
10:15 < azureus> Was morfohr here?
10:18 < rxr> I did nto see him
10:24 < azureus> :(
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10:30 < tilix> rxr: hi
10:30 < azureus> hi tilix
10:31 < tilix> is it possible to compile the Network Config app without T2?
10:32 < tilix> if I just do "make" I got an error
10:33 < tilix> kvtree.cc:79: error: `assert' undeclared (first use this function)
10:41 < rxr> tilix: yes - netconf should compile without T2 - but it does use the rocknet^t2net low-level network config infrastructure
10:41 < tilix> so what else do I need?
10:41 < rxr> tilix: I guess assert is not in the include chain - but somewhere else on your system
10:42 < rxr> well - the rocknet - err - t2net ,-) modulees are included in the serveral T2 packages such as iptables and wireless-tools and such
10:42 < rxr> the base is in sysfiles
10:43 < tilix> usr/share/gnulib/modules/assert
10:43 < rxr> it is not such an easy job to inject this network config into an foreign distribution
10:43 < tilix> is it this?
10:43 < rxr> no
10:43 < rxr> try to add #include to the top of the non-compiling file
10:44 < tilix> ok
10:44 < rxr> is that the first / only failure in that file ?
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10:44 < tilix> good. compilation continued
10:45 < tilix> same with line_factory.cc
10:45 < tilix> I`ll add it there, too
10:45 < rxr> ok - please report any file you need to add it ..
10:45 < rxr> what system is that ?
10:45 < tilix> Debian
10:45 < rxr> hm
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10:45 < tilix> network_config.cc:175: error: `uint32_t' undeclared (first use this function)
10:46 < rxr> inttypes.h
10:46 < rxr> #include ,-)
10:47 < rxr> seems with recent packages in T2 those files already get included thru some other system header
10:47 < tilix> hmm, kaboutdata.h missing. But I have kdelibs4-dev
10:48 < tilix> file:///usr/include/kde/kaboutdata.h
10:49 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/kdelibs:kdelibs: opt/kde3/include/kaboutdata.h
10:49 < tilix> in Debian, kde is under /usr
10:50 < tilix> /usr/include/kde/kaboutdata.h:22:24: qvaluelist.h: No such file or directory
10:50 < rxr> hm - second ...
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10:50 < rxr> the makefile includes opt/kde hardcoding ...
10:50 < rxr> tilix: please revert your modification regarding kaboutdata.h
10:50 < rxr> tilix: did you checkout using svn ?
10:50 < rxr> checkout netconf that is
10:51 < tilix> from t2-source
10:51 < tilix> which makefile?
10:52 < tilix> i found it
10:52 < rxr> tilix: could you please checkout netconf using SVN?
10:52 < rxr> I 'll fix it in the svn tree than to make sure the next version will build fine
10:53 < tilix> ok
10:55 < rxr> ok - the includes should be fixed in netconf :HEAD
10:55 < tilix> How to checkout only netconf?
10:55 < tilix> thanks
10:55 < rxr> I'll quickly finish my linxu 2.6.12 news and then look into getting the Makefile use the correct kde-config or so helper to dynamically use the correct pathes
10:56 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/netconf/trunk netconf-trunk
10:56 < rxr> should do --typos
10:58 < valentin> moin
10:58 < tilix> main.cc:1:24: kaboutdata.h: No such file or directory
10:58 < tilix> rxr: it compiled fine until this
10:58 < SerWou> hello guys
10:59 < valentin> hi tilix, SerWou, rxr
10:59 < tilix> hi valentin
11:01 < rxr> moin valentin
11:02 < rxr> tilix: I fix the gui Makefile as soon as my news is out
11:04 < valentin> tilix : which distribution do you use ?
11:04 < valentin> * are you using ?
11:05 < tilix> Debian
11:06 < valentin> and you have the t2 version of rocknet on that box ?
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11:07 < valentin> tilix: there is no ./configure script for netconf yet, all paths are hardcoded
11:07 < valentin> which is no problem as long as you use a recent t2 installation ,)
11:08 < tilix> valentin: no
11:09 < rxr> valentin: I already wrote that netconf does use the ROCK ^W T2 Net for the low-level work
11:09 < rxr> my impression was the he wants to test / look at it nontheless
11:09 < rxr> and I consider it a good thing (tm) to update thy Makefile to use kde-config or so to u
11:09 < rxr> obtain the kde install pathes
11:09 < rxr> even on T2 you can install kde whereever you want too
11:09 < rxr> (even into /usr if someone feels mad enough to do so )
11:10 < tilix> Debian doesn`t like /opt :)
11:10 < rxr> well - most people do not like a overfull /usr ...
11:10 < rxr> and if Debian would be consequent they would have kde in /usr/X11 ...
11:11 < rxr> that is at least where the BSDs put at least GNOME - maybe KDE as well (at least if they are consequent ...)
11:11 < rxr> tough I saw a FreeBSD install where GNOME was in /usr/X11 and KDE in /usr/local ...
11:11 < tilix> even Open Office is in usr/lib/openoffice
11:11 < _Ragnar_> opt makes so much more sense
11:11 < rxr> no idea if that mad choice is a debian poilcy
11:12 < rxr> FreeBSD that is ...
11:12 < tilix> rxr: in PCBSD, many things are in /usr, even home
11:13 < rxr> home ?
11:13 < rxr> you mean the users home ?
11:13 < tilix> yep
11:13 < rxr> oh my god ....
11:14 < tilix> usr/home/tilix
11:14 * rxr holds his eyes ...
11:14 < rxr> convers ...
11:15 < rxr> == 06/19/05 10:48:53 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26.
11:15 < rxr> ^- exlcuding the skas3 patch ...
11:15 < _Ragnar_> O_O
11:15 < _Ragnar_> without files out of basedir? O_O
11:15 < CIA-1> rene * r9763 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (15-install-in-boot.patch linux26.desc): * updated linux26 (2.6.11.12 -> 2.6.12)
11:17 < CIA-1> rene * r9764 /trunk/package/network/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
11:17 < CIA-1> * fixed ipw2*00 for linux 2.6.12 and marked them x86 and x86-64 only
11:17 < CIA-1> to save compile time on the arches where the drivers are unneeded
11:17 < CIA-1> anyway
11:17 < rxr> rxr: in system build
11:17 < rxr> I can take a look into your outside as well
11:17 < _Ragnar_> kewl :)
11:18 < rxr> what target config did you use - and does it happen for 2.4 and 2.6 or only for one of them ?
11:19 < CIA-1> rene * r9765 /trunk/package/base/linux24/15-install-in-boot.patch:
11:19 < CIA-1> * removed the make install linux patch from 2.4 as well as just removed
11:19 < CIA-1> from 2.6 where it did not apply anymore. We also do not need this
11:19 < CIA-1> properitaty patch at all.
11:19 < _Ragnar_> generic and embedded
11:31 < rxr> even with embedded?
11:32 < rxr> in which kernel ? only 2.4 ?
11:32 < rxr> in trunk ?
11:35 < _Ragnar_> trunk
11:35 < _Ragnar_> and 2.6
11:35 < _Ragnar_> dunno about 2.4
11:44 < rxr> ok
11:46 < rxr> oh
11:46 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119165275.5502.263c0a8/unionfs-1.0.12a/
11:46 < rxr> file.c: In function `unionfs_readdir':
11:46 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119165275.5502.263c0a8/unionfs-1.0.12a/
11:46 < rxr> file.c:578: error: unrecognizable insn:
11:46 < rxr> (insn:HI 372 369 375 22 (set (mem:QI (subreg:SI (reg:DI 177) 4) [0 S1 A8])
11:46 < rxr> (subreg:QI (reg:DI 177) 7)) -1 (nil)
11:46 < rxr> (expr_list:REG_EQUAL (const_int 0 [0x0])
11:46 < rxr> (nil)))
11:46 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119165275.5502.263c0a8/unionfs-1.0.12a/
11:46 < rxr> file.c:578: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083
11:46 < rxr> linux 2.6 on powerpc
11:48 < _Ragnar_> O_O
11:48 < _Ragnar_> uh huh
11:48 < _Ragnar_> don't get that error
11:48 < rxr> are you on powerpc ?
11:48 < _Ragnar_> no:)
11:55 < _Ragnar_> so you don't get this error? O_O
11:59 < _Ragnar_> hmmm 2.6.12 fails with a failed patch
11:59 < rxr> skas3 ?
11:59 < _Ragnar_> yes
12:00 < rxr> yes - this remains to be update
12:02 < _Ragnar_> ah
12:05 < rxr> tilix: still here ?
12:07 < _Ragnar_> how do I turn that off?
12:07 < rxr> disable uml_utils
12:07 < rxr> but I can fix it in some minutes
12:08 < rxr> tilix: netconf qt/kde usage might now build on Debian - if you could test
12:09 < tilix> yep
12:09 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
12:09 < _Ragnar_> well I need to get to bed
12:09 < tilix> building now
12:09 < _Ragnar_> 3am here
12:10 < tilix> /usr/include/kde/kaboutdata.h:22:24: qvaluelist.h: No such file or directory
12:10 < tilix> usr/include/qt3/qvaluelist.h
12:11 < rxr> let me guess usr/include/qt ?
12:11 < tilix> yep
12:12 < rxr> svn up and retry ,-)
12:13 < tilix> no
12:13 < tilix> the same
12:16 < rxr> hm
12:16 < rxr> no idea then ,-)(
12:16 < rxr> try make Q=
12:16 < rxr> and see how g++ is invoken and what is wrong ,-)
12:17 < tilix> -I/include -I/include/qt
12:18 < tilix> should be:
12:18 < tilix> -I/include -I/include/qt3
12:18 < rxr> ouhm ...
12:18 < rxr> ok - up and go ,-)
12:19 < _Ragnar_> nini
12:19 < tilix> -I/include -I/include/qt3
12:19 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar_
12:19 < tilix> shouldn`t be:
12:19 < tilix> -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/qt3
12:19 < tilix> like -I/usr/include/kde
12:19 < rxr> then your QTDIR is not set ..
12:20 < rxr> or is it QT3DIR on your system ?
12:20 < tilix> hmm
12:21 < rxr> echo $QTDIR $QT3DIR
12:21 < rxr> set | grep QT
12:21 < tilix> good. building now :)
12:21 < rxr> what did you change ?
12:21 < tilix> after export QTDIR=/usr
12:22 < rxr> what does set | grep QT tell you ?
12:22 < tilix> nothing?
12:22 < tilix> set | grep QT
12:22 < tilix>
12:22 < valentin> hm
12:22 < valentin> env | grep QT ?
12:23 < tilix> nothing again
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12:24 < tilix> good. compilation finished
12:24 < rxr> hm
12:24 < rxr> Debian is b0rked
12:24 < tilix> where is the binary?
12:24 < rxr> you should make install
12:25 < rxr> the binary will then be in /bin/netconf
12:25 < tilix> install -m 755 netconf /usr/bin
12:25 < tilix> `locale/de/messages.gmo' -> `/opt/kde3/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo'
12:25 < tilix> cp: cannot create regular file `/opt/kde3/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo': No such file or directory
12:26 < tilix> good. up and running
12:26 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38712.html
12:26 < rxr> oh
12:27 < tilix> but it can`t find my 2 lan cards
12:27 < rxr> if you want to use it as normal user you need a sudo rule ...
12:27 < tilix> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
12:28 < tilix> I got this, then it asked for a password
12:28 < tilix> but still doesn`t have the eth1 and eth0
12:28 < rxr> should shoudl NOPASSWD it for now
12:28 < tilix> no ethernet devices found, disabling pppoe
12:28 < tilix> grep: /var/run/rocknet/active-interfaces: No such file or directory
12:28 < tilix> sh: /sbin/ip: No such file or directory
12:28 < rxr> tilix: this could have multple reasons - including ifconfig or so in a different place on your system
12:28 < rxr> where the h*ck is ip on Debian ?
12:29 < valentin> tilix : did you insert the sudo rules ?
12:29 < tilix> just a second
12:29 < valentin> the acitve interfaces may not exist if you never used rocknet before
12:29 < rxr> tilix: well - since it will only work thereafter if you have ROCK^WT2Net in place what do you wanna do with it on Debian ?
12:29 < valentin> should be no problem
12:32 < tilix> good. After adding to sudoers, now I can see my eth0 and eth1
12:33 < tilix> rxr: could you give me an example for var/run/rocknet/active-interfaces
12:34 < rxr> eth0(default)
12:34 < valentin> tilix: no, just touch an empty file
12:35 < tilix> it sees my lan cards like wireless, and they doesn`t have my settings
12:35 < rxr> valentin: any idea why the $(KDEPREFIX) is not expanded in the for l in locale* loin the Makefile ?
12:35 < valentin> what are "your" settings ?
12:35 < valentin> the ones you set manually ?
12:36 < tilix> in /etc/network/interfaces
12:36 < tilix> ip, gateway
12:36 < valentin> tilix: netconf is just a _rocknet_ wrapper
12:36 < valentin> no debian, suse whatsoever
12:36 < valentin> so if you want to use netconf, you have to work with rocknet and place your config in /etc/conf/network
12:37 < rxr> valentin: I commited a install: update
12:37 < rxr> however the locate rule does not work as epxected since $(KDEPREFIX) if you could take a look and have an idea ...
12:37 < valentin> rxr: i do not understand your question
12:37 < valentin> not expanded in the for l in locale* loin the Makefile <- ?
12:37 < rxr> svn up
12:37 < valentin> ok, i take a look
12:37 < rxr> i marked the line with => ,-)
12:40 < valentin> rxr: it works here
12:40 < valentin> cp -v $l /opt/kde3/share/locale/$lang/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo ; \
12:40 < rxr> `locale/de/messages.gmo' -> `/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo'
12:40 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo': No such file or directory
12:40 < rxr> `locale/nl/messages.gmo' -> `/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo'
12:40 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo': No such file or directory
12:41 < rxr> oh - my fault - sorry
12:41 < rxr> remove the => and commit as works for me ,-)
12:41 < valentin> so i will commit ?
12:41 < rxr> tilix: could you translate the message file into your locate when you are at netconf ?
12:42 < rxr> valentin: yep ,-) and thanks for the review ,-)
12:42 < valentin> what review ? i just noticed it works here
12:42 < rxr> yeah - thanks for that
12:42 < tilix> ok, in about an hour or two.
12:42 < rxr> valentin: btw I replaced X11R6 with X11 in the Makefile - X11R6 must never be referenced
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12:43 < rxr> valentin: there was X11R5 and we will soon have X11R7 ... ,-)
12:43 < valentin> hehe
12:43 < rxr> when X.org 7.0 goes out - eihter this or the next year
12:46 < CIA-1> rene * r9766 /trunk/architecture/ (powerpc/kernel.conf.m4 share/kernel-block.conf.m4): * updated fully modular kernel config
12:50 < rxr> I got a cool name for a Beagle (GNOME) for KDE: Kuebel ,-)
12:53 < CIA-1> rene * r9767 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * better blacklist text for Emerge-Pkg
12:54 < valentin> blacklist text ? for the deps ?
12:55 < rxr> - [ $verbose = 1 ] && echo " Update avoided due blacklist."
12:55 < rxr> + [ $verbose = 1 ] && echo " Automatic update avoided."
13:00 < rxr> valentin: do you also want to come to minto to amsterdam ?
13:01 < CIA-1> rene * r9768 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (057 -> 058)
13:02 < veki> I am installing minimal version of T2. I need some guidance when configuring network
13:03 < veki> I am at the stone network configuration menu
13:03 < veki> IWhere I should put my sttaic IP, gateway IP and DNS
13:03 < rxr> what do you want to set up? some ethernet? or PPP modem or so ?
13:03 < rxr> for eth0 I guess ?
13:04 < veki> ethernet eth0
13:04 < veki> Isuppose that his is settingup new profile part
13:04 < rxr> did it ask to setup eth0 when you entered the menu ?#
13:05 < veki> It asked about setting new profiel and I put that is called eth0
13:06 < veki> I set IP for eth0, gateway and when I wanted to restar netwrok it said eth0 doe snot exist
13:06 < rxr> hm - strange
13:06 < rxr> I suppose there is no "Edit interface eth0" in the menu then ?
13:07 < veki> yes
13:07 < rxr> hm - then try to to create it again - using "Add new interface/profile"
13:07 < veki> I will delete profile and start again
13:08 < rxr> you could also remove the /etc/network/config to get the wizard again ,-)
13:09 < valentin> veki: you can use vi to edit /etc/conf/network
13:09 < valentin> interface eth0
13:09 < valentin> ip xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa
13:09 < valentin> gw xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa
13:10 < veki> Ok, he problem s that SIOSCGIFFLAGS says no such device
13:10 < veki> yes, i put numbers
13:11 < rxr> ip xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa
13:11 < rxr> ip xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa/cidr
13:11 < rxr> like ip 192.168.2.123/24
13:11 < veki> yes
13:11 < veki> I have done that
13:11 < rxr> do you have eth0 =
13:11 < rxr> ? even
13:11 < rxr> ifconfig -a
13:12 < veki> yes, I have network card insidie that wa sworking 30 minutes before on other linux
13:13 < rxr> I mean does T2 ifconfig -a list it ?
13:13 < rxr> maybe the module is not not loaded or so ...
13:14 < veki> ifconfig -a says:
13:14 < veki> hm
13:14 < veki> maybe there is not module which is strange bceaue it is old ethernet card working on all distros
13:15 < veki> maybe I should put at the beginning of installation 2.4 kernel
13:15 < rxr> have you rebooted already after the install?
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13:16 < veki> I have checked conf files and they are OK.
13:16 < rxr> have you rebooted after installation or are you in the stone after package extraction ?
13:17 < veki> I am in stone after packet extraction and rebing nowoot
13:17 < veki> I am rebooting now
13:18 < veki> I came in GRUP and when I choose GNU/Linux it sayst that there is no hd1,0
13:19 < veki> oh, I will install again
13:19 < veki> fresh start
13:20 < veki> some steps in explanation of installation are missing since you developer know all, of course
13:20 < veki> average user do not know hat you have done
13:20 < veki> I am wiriting notes and lanning to write manua for the beginner
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13:21 < tilix> rxr: I`m ready.
13:21 < tilix> Should I give you a link, or you want to DCC the translation to you now.
13:22 < rxr> veki: the network module will only be loaded at reboot
13:22 < rxr> veki: you need to either select to install lilo or grub in the stone after package install ... :-(
13:22 < rxr> tilix: link or mail would be best
13:22 < veki> I have done that
13:23 < veki> actually, when I reboot it ask me in GRUB menu what I want to choose, thus, GRUB is there
13:25 < tilix> http://packages.tilix.org/source/translation/
13:26 < rxr> veki: well - you can kick me - the grub setup is a bit awkward - you need to select create default config ... :-(
13:26 < rxr> I know that is stupid and it should be more intuitive / automatic
13:27 < veki> OK, it is not stupid, it is normakl that you guys are doing accoridng to your knowledge and use. I amtrying to think as average user, because they should use freedom of buidling targets one day
13:27 < veki> I am extracting packages again
13:28 < rxr> veki: if you run install again it will detect the previous install and should not reinstall any package ,-)
13:28 < veki> I know , i reinstalled, buy deleting partitions and starting from th every beginning
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13:29 < rxr> tilix: thanks - added (though I could not see the glyphes in my urxvt ...
13:30 < tilix> it should be UTF8, right?
13:30 < rxr> yep
13:33 < veki> rxr: I extracted packages, set up locales and I am prompte dwith menu tu set up GRUB, LILO, network etc....
13:34 < veki> shoudl I reoot now
13:35 < rxr> no
13:35 < rxr> go into grub
13:35 < rxr> and select generate device map
13:35 < rxr> then create default config
13:35 < rxr> and then install
13:35 < rxr> I know that sucks ..
13:35 < rxr> then reboot
13:36 < veki> OK
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13:46 < rxr> 64 125 1137 losetup.c
13:48 < veki> rxr:I finished with Grub. Shoould I exit stone and reboot
13:48 < rxr> yep
13:48 < veki> OK, done
13:49 < veki> rxr:it is is runlevel 2
13:50 < veki> I started stone
13:52 < veki> I started to cofigure netwrok and it said that network is unreachable
13:54 < rxr> where did it say it is unreachable ?
13:54 < rxr> ifconfig -a does list eth0 nwo ?
13:56 < veki> yes, it lists it with IP that I set up
13:58 < veki> SIOCIFFLAGS says that t cannot find device "none"
13:58 < veki> Hm, somehwere is device mentioned as none though there is device
13:58 < rxr> what did you try to enable networking ?
13:59 < veki> static IPs and there is command Restart network
13:59 < veki> from Stone, network setup menu
13:59 < rxr> can you post "cat /etc/conf/network" ?
14:00 < veki> actually it says restart network initscript
14:00 < veki> eth0
14:00 < veki> ip 192.168.2.4
14:00 < veki> gw 192.168.2.1
14:00 < veki> interface eth0
14:00 < veki> agagin IPs from above
14:01 < veki> name server 217.24.17.17
14:01 < veki> taht's it
14:01 < rxr> you need /24 after your IP at ip ...
14:01 < rxr> ip 192.168.2.4/24
14:01 < rxr> and eth0 should be interface eth0
14:02 < rxr> and name server be nameserver
14:02 < veki> nameserveris connected that was my typo now
14:03 < veki> when it asks me for IP of machine it offers /24
14:03 < veki> but when gw is concerned there is no /24 option. should I put it
14:04 < rxr> no - gw does not accept / need the 24
14:04 < veki> when eth0 is offerd there is no interface part before eth0
14:04 < rxr> this aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd/xx is the new classless inter domain routing notation
14:05 < rxr> that replaced the old 255.255.255. ... netmask
14:05 < rxr> it specifies how many bits are used for the network part more easily
14:05 < veki> ok
14:05 < rxr> /24 is equal to the old 255.255.255.0
14:07 < veki> OK, I corrected and when I pressed restart network init scrips it says Interface/profiel matched: eth0(default)
14:07 < veki> and then sign :-(
14:08 < veki> it also saud again the same with teh same sign
14:08 < rxr> but the network shoudl be up now
14:08 < rxr> I think the :-( is a but in the init scritp to be fixed ,-)
14:08 < rxr> or better in the rocknet core - not the init script ...
14:09 < veki> OK, I ping now my latop from that machine
14:09 < veki> what is the next that I should do
14:09 < veki> in system init it is said that default runlevel is 2. is that OK?
14:10 < rxr> 2 is network less - by default
14:10 < rxr> you could change this to 3 in the stone init setup ...
14:10 < rxr> guess you want to setup X next
14:10 < veki> OK, then I have to edit etc/inittab
14:11 < veki> I changed to 3 in inittab
14:11 < veki> it is minmal version and I do not see X
14:11 < veki> I configured ssh deamon
14:12 < rxr> ah - yes the minimal has no X ,-)
14:12 < rxr> you could even have used stone to change the default runleve ,-)
14:12 < rxr> +l
14:12 < rxr> editing manually is fine as welll
14:12 < veki> OK, vi is OK and stone too
14:12 < veki> as far as I see it is more or less set up
14:13 < veki> should I set up PCI devices etc..
14:13 < rxr> normally the modules should be loaded matching to your PCI devices thru the hotplug equivalent
14:13 < veki> I think that is time now for menu for targets. Am I right?
14:14 < veki> I think that I have to reboot again to go in runlevel 3 from th beginning
14:14 < rxr> init 3
14:15 < rxr> you mostly only need to reboot a linux if you exchange the kernel or so ,-)
14:15 < veki> yes, I know that
14:16 < veki> I am in init 3
14:17 < veki> netwrok is owrking
14:18 < veki> is there any file manager such as mc
14:19 < valentin> there should be mc
14:21 < veki> hm when i Type mc it says command not found
14:21 < veki> anyway, how I enter menu for target building
14:21 < SerWou> rtfm t2 handbook perhaps ? ;)
14:22 < CIA-1> rene * r9769 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
14:22 < CIA-1> * added losetup to embutils
14:22 < CIA-1> * enabled it by default and tweaked it to install into usr/embutils if
14:22 < CIA-1> coreutils is enabled in a build
14:22 < CIA-1> * added embutils to be built with dietlibc in the normal targets
14:22 < CIA-1> (needed for the new initramfs T2 early userspace ,-)
14:22 < veki> ah, in handbook are some steps overcome so it is not easy to follow
14:22 < SerWou> that's true
14:23 < veki> On T2 site is wirtten that you should go in T2 directory which actuall is not there
14:23 < veki> and then in ./scripts which is not also easy to find or not existing etc.
14:23 < veki> step by step approach is neede for users that are not develpers
14:23 < SerWou> i'm not too
14:24 < CIA-1> rene * r9770 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd:
14:24 < CIA-1> * changed the opt/embutils path I used for testing to the official
14:24 < CIA-1> in-system static embutils set in usr/embutils for the mkinitrd
14:26 < veki> SerWou: I will get through. My intention is to help create step by step manual and take into consideration alla that average user may need
14:27 < veki> We, technically skilled are not good for dialogue with average users ecause we assume what hey do not and there is unsourmounatbel gap.
14:27 < SerWou> mixed in the current handbook ?
14:27 < veki> Thus, i am a bit borring but is needed
14:27 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (348 hits, 0 misses)
14:27 < rxr> those builds are so relaxing ,-)
14:27 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (75 hits, 0 misses)
14:28 < veki> the versio that I downloaded a month ago it i shard for average user to find a way. I understand that T2 is in very much development , but my idea is to help to make it closer to average users
14:28 < veki> by average I do notthin win user who never used Linux
14:28 < veki> Let say intermediate Linux user may be good description
14:28 < SerWou> i purposed to translate the handbook too some times ago ;)
14:29 < veki> OK, I will even do that , I am really supportive on T2
14:29 < veki> I have to go now , But I wil be back later
14:29 < veki> cu
14:29 < veki> and tahnks
14:29 < SerWou> see you
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14:38 < tilix> i have to go now.
14:38 < tilix> bye
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15:58 < rxr> ok - /me away - cu
16:02 < valentin> cu rxr
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16:26 < CIA-11> rene * r9771 /trunk/package/base/embutils/mount.patch:
16:26 < CIA-11> * added move support to mount and fixed the option parser to allow
16:26 < CIA-11> parsing of single, not seperated, options ...
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16:40 < minto> hi all
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17:07 < veki> hi
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17:24 < rxr_> hm
17:25 < rxr_> re
17:25 < veki> rxr: I am willing now to practise t2
17:26 < rxr_> pracise ?
17:26 < veki> practise ie. exercise
17:27 < rxr_> veki: what are you doing ?
17:28 < veki> I am logged in as root and I am looking fors cripts to build target
17:28 < valentin> hi minto
17:28 < rxr_> hey valentin
17:28 < veki> hi
17:28 < valentin> hi rxr and rxr_ and veki
17:28 < rxr_> my iBook is now mostly converted to udev
17:28 < veki> :-)
17:29 < rxr_> hi minto
17:30 < minto> hi valentin, rxr and all others
17:30 < veki> hi minto
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17:30 < minto> hi veki
17:31 < veki> :-)
17:32 < veki> where is diretcory with scripts?
17:32 < rxr_> veki: most probably not in your installed system
17:32 < rxr_> you ned to download it from the homepage
17:32 < veki> hm, I will do it now
17:33 < veki> what is link to that place?
17:34 < rxr_> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html or so
17:34 < rxr_> the files are in http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/ I thnk
17:35 < valentin> veki: did you read the quick start info about building t2 : https://www2.t2-project.org/docs/quickstart
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17:36 < veki> valentin: quickstart begins from using ./scripts and I a coming to that stage
17:36 < veki> I installed minimal version and it i sup and running
17:37 < veki> in quick start is not mentioned where are scripts, it is assumed that hey are already installed buth they are not
17:39 < valentin> veki: step 2. there are links to the t2 sources
17:39 < CIA-9> rene * r9773 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd:
17:40 < CIA-9> * workarounded a strange bash issue on PowerPC where the for loop
17:40 < CIA-9> was for some strange and unknown reason left due to the 2>&1
17:40 < CIA-9> redirection for grep ... ?!?!?
17:40 < CIA-9> * improved status output
17:40 < CIA-9> * added warning about non-static binaries copied into the initrd
17:40 < CIA-9> (so people get remembered to rebuild those with dietlibc ,-)
17:40 < valentin> Get the latest tarball of the __T2 sources__ and extract it to your harddisc or do an checkout from the __T2 subversion repository__ to get a current snapshot of the system.
17:41 < veki> I downloaded one. Is there any special directory where it should be placed or it will do that automatically
17:41 < valentin> if you installed t2 from cd, you should have subversion installed, so you can do a checkout of mnemoc's 2.1 branch
17:41 < valentin> veki: put it anywere you like
17:41 < veki> ok
17:41 < valentin> i prefer something like /usr/src/t2-..../
17:41 < valentin> but its your choice
17:42 < veki> ok
17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r9774 /trunk/package/base/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
17:43 < CIA-9> * removed devfs non-broken default patching and even marked DEVFS in
17:43 < CIA-9> disable-broken since it is in several defconfigs and would thus be
17:43 < CIA-9> enabled on several architectures by the system default merge step
17:43 < CIA-9> during automatic configuration.
17:43 < CIA-9> DevFS seems to be removed in one of the next 2.6 kernels anyway ...
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17:49 < keinek> hi everbody
17:49 < keinek> today in argentina is the day of father.
17:49 < keinek> :)
17:51 < veki> :-)
17:52 < valentin> moin keinek
17:57 < minto> hi Keinek, are you a father?
17:57 < minto> valentin: next year you will be celebrated too.
17:57 < minto> :-) me this year.
17:58 < valentin> minto: yeah i will :)
18:00 < keinek> minto, no
18:00 < keinek> i was looking for a girl first ;)
18:00 < keinek> hey guy in six mouth i will start with radio packet :)
18:01 < veki> I extracted source of scripts. i tried to issue command Config -cfg system and I was prompted that there is no parse-config ...
18:01 < keinek> if t2 dont packet for radio packet, i will create that.
18:01 < keinek> :)
18:15 < veki> valentin: I tried insmod loop as it is mentioned in handbook and I was prompted with cannot read loop
18:16 < valentin> which system are you working on ?
18:16 < veki> minimal T2
18:17 < veki> whne I extracted scripts in /usr/src/t2..../scripts I tried Config but without success
18:18 < veki> It is said that command Config was not found
18:22 < valentin> veki: see query
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18:56 < valentin> will be away now, cu later
18:56 < rxr> cu
18:56 < valentin> oh - hi rxr
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18:57 < valentin> so, bbl
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19:00 < azureus> hi
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19:01 < rxr> hi azureus
19:01 < azureus> hi rxr
19:08 < rxr> valentin: 2.6.12 """feels" faster on ppc - but we really shoudl benchmark 2.6.11++ on PPC ...
19:08 < rxr> ouhm - the lag is enourm - right now ... :-(
19:14 < CIA-9> rene * r9775 /trunk/package/develop/patchutils/patchutils.desc: * updated patchutils (0.2.30 -> 0.2.31)
19:19 < azureus> was morfohr here?
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19:25 < rxr> I thhink no
19:25 < azureus> :-(
19:25 < rxr> IIRC he was hunting^Wsearching for a new flat ...
19:26 < azureus> I do not hope i am anything course-pushed
19:27 < azureus> I do not hope he am anything course-pushed
19:27 < rxr> ?
19:28 < CIA-12> rene * r9776 /trunk/package/network/ypserv/ypserv.desc: * updated ypserv (2.14 -> 2.17)
19:29 < azureus> german translation" Ich hoffe ihm ist nichts zugestoßen"
19:29 < _Ragnar_> O_O
19:29 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
19:29 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:29 < _Ragnar_> how's it going?
19:29 < azureus> hi Ranger
19:29 < rxr> _Ragnar_: well, as usual
19:30 < rxr> your return reminds me I have the linux basedir issue to solve ... ,-)
19:30 < _Ragnar_> :D
19:30 < _Ragnar_> I was just about to ask ....:)
19:32 < rxr> _Ragnar_: hehe
19:33 < azureus> The german board is ready to go online :-)
19:33 < lewellyn> yay
19:35 < azureus> Who wants to look can see it on t2.pc-help-city.de
19:37 < azureus> Feedbacks are desired
19:38 * lewellyn loads in lynx
19:40 < lewellyn> looks good, but i can't make heads or tails of the content
19:40 < lewellyn> :)
19:40 < azureus> ok, how is the theme?
19:40 < azureus> there is also a blue one
19:40 < lewellyn> in lynz? blue/red/black :)
19:41 < _Ragnar_> btw skas pathc still fails for me
19:41 < _Ragnar_> patch*
19:41 * lewellyn is on his palm, sshed.
19:42 < azureus> You can register now ;-)
19:42 < azureus> regist
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19:51 < azureus> I hope we will have a lots of user
19:58 < rxr> I think that will take some time , ..
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20:01 < lewellyn> rxr: get yourslef /.ed :)
20:10 < rxr> yeah
20:11 < azu1> We've got now 2 users :)
20:13 < lewellyn> azu1: if i understood german, i may be inclined to register :)
20:13 < lewellyn> perhaps later someone can guide me through it anyway :)˜˜˜
20:14 < azu1> I Can make also an english one
20:14 < lewellyn> :)
20:14 < azu1> But there is one, isnt it?
20:16 < azu1> I#m not sure
20:16 < lewellyn> nor am i
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20:16 < azu1> ?
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20:18 < lewellyn> i'm not sure either
20:18 < azu1> ok
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20:30 < rxr> oh - formula 1 with 6 cars ,-)!
20:31 < lewellyn> i heard :(
20:33 < azu1> and all the people had payed many money...
20:38 < lewellyn> yup. all over rubbers ;)
20:48 -!- Postal [~live@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2
20:48 < Postal> Hey all
20:50 < Postal> anyone around?
20:51 < azu1> yes hi
20:52 < azu1> postal: where are you from?
20:52 < Postal> CT usa
20:52 < azu1> k
20:52 < Postal> is rxr around?
20:52 < azu1> I dont know
20:52 < Postal> oh ok
20:53 < lewellyn> Postal: optonline is .ct.us?
21:06 < Postal> lewellyn: yes
21:07 < Postal> could i chroot into a linux enviroment from Cywin?
21:10 < rxr> Postal: yeah - here ,-)
21:11 < rxr> Postal: chroot f:? under wqindows ?
21:11 < rxr> no go ...
21:13 < Postal> rxr: why not?
21:14 < Postal> oh hey teh live cd detected and mounted a DigiPak Card Reader and Writer for USB 2.0 automaticly on boot up, thought you might want it for the certified hardware list
21:15 < rxr> Postal: because chroot just changes the unix internal namespace root
21:16 < rxr> under windows you need a whole emulator
21:16 < rxr> try qemu
21:16 < rxr> Postal: can you mail the exact specs to me ?
21:16 < Postal> rxr: you want the dmesg?
21:16 < Postal> or the lspci?
21:17 < Postal> and what is qemu?
21:20 < Postal> rxr: this qemu sounds very useful
21:21 < CIA-12> rene * r9777 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/cross-df-hack.patch: * hacked coreutils/df to compile cross
21:22 < rxr> the reader is usb? then lsusb ,-)
21:22 < rxr> yeah: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/qemu.html
21:22 < Postal> rxr: ok i will in a bit when i get round to it im reading this qemu doc, i wonder if i could make it build t2?
21:23 < Postal> i have a 64bit windows...?
21:24 < rxr> qemu speed is moderate - you do not want to compile stuff in it ...
21:24 < rxr> btw - xen is even cooler - but no windows
21:24 < Postal> i diddnt ask if i wanted to compile stuff i asked if i could
21:24 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/xen-tools.html
21:25 < Postal> cause your live cd you said does not support 64bit yet
21:25 < rxr> yeah - you could run T2 in qemu on windows and build stuff in it ...
21:25 < rxr> Postal: but you could run your live cd just fine ...
21:25 < rxr> beside it is not 64bit ...
21:25 < lewellyn> can one x-compile t2 from cygwin?
21:25 < lewellyn> Postal: the livecd works well on em64t
21:26 < Postal> do i have to set that as a boot option or will it do it automaticly
21:26 < Postal> just cause i cannot afford anohter primary partition
21:26 < Postal> i really need to buy a new HD but sata is expensive
21:26 < lewellyn> the livecd doesn't need a partition
21:27 < Postal> lewellyn: yes thats the point
21:27 < lewellyn> and it runs fine
21:27 < rxr> lewellyn: in theory one could compile T2 on cygwin - though I think it needs major clutchy hackery ...
21:27 < lewellyn> rxr: just like building anything non-cygwin on cygwin :)
21:28 < Postal> well i hope the livecd works cause im in stage 1 glibc right now
21:28 < Postal> im building a minimal template
21:30 < Postal> rxr: where do i sign up for the mailing list again?
21:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html --ytpos
21:31 < rxr> typos even
21:33 < Postal> we keep complete irc logs online?
21:34 * lewellyn shushes ;)
21:35 < Postal> i never knew that
21:35 < Postal> i hope we put a nice robot.txt at the root of that
21:36 < rxr> Postal: why?
21:36 < rxr> we explicitly want the IRC logs be crawled
21:36 < Postal> rxr: we do?
21:36 < rxr> private stuff is in queries and the logs contains huge amounts of interesting links that bump our google rating by magnitutes ...
21:37 < Postal> oh
21:37 < Postal> oc
21:37 < Postal> ic*
21:37 < Postal> what is our google rating?
21:37 < rxr> I have no google toolbar for konqueror - no idea
21:38 < rxr> but it appears to be high enough to be on the first page for "linux handbook2
21:38 < rxr> " even
21:39 < lewellyn> www.slashdot.org will be our friend soon enough! :)
21:39 < lewellyn> or is it www.slashdot.com ?
21:40 < Postal> .org
21:40 * lewellyn never actually visits anymore.
21:40 * Postal never found it very interesting
21:40 < rxr> lewellyn: best post links with http:// so my log to html parser makes a href out of it ,-)
21:40 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/
21:40 < Postal> in english that means what?
21:41 < Postal> href?
21:41 < rxr> http://slashdot.com
21:41 < rxr> HTML the test
21:41 < lewellyn> Postal: hyperreference
21:42 < rxr> those that form the web ,-)
21:42 < lewellyn> and :// are all shifted keys on my palm :(
21:42 < sepp> hi all
21:42 < rxr> you are crazzy enough to chat from your palm ?
21:44 < Postal> why is that crazy?
21:44 < rxr> it is not too slow to typoe ?
21:46 < lewellyn> rxr: nah. 3 row kb
21:47 < Postal> t2 should be a team at http://distributed.net
21:47 < lewellyn> a good portion of my irc is from my palm
21:47 < lewellyn> people still do distributed.net?
21:47 < Postal> yeah i guess
21:49 < lewellyn> anyway. battery is dying and i need to shower.
21:49 < lewellyn> back laater
21:50 < Postal> rxr: do i need the 32bit glibc for grub still, or can i run pure 64bit yet?
21:50 < rxr> as long as grub is not fixed, you need a glibc32
21:50 < rxr> but these days it shoudl work
21:50 < Postal> damn
21:50 < rxr> why damn
21:50 < rxr> it does not cost you much
21:50 < Postal> i thought you where going to say it would not work
21:50 < Postal> dietlibc errored out
21:51 < rxr> ah - this internal compiler error ?
21:51 < Postal> yes
21:51 < Postal> do you want the tail?
21:51 < rxr> no - I know it ...
21:51 < rxr> rename the .err to .log ,-)
21:52 < Postal> um i forget where the error logs are its been a while
21:53 < rxr> build/.../var/adm/logs/
21:53 < rxr> but wait
21:53 < rxr> in the meantime I changed my mind ... :-(
21:53 < Postal> waiting
21:53 < Postal> ok
21:53 < rxr> best revert the dietlibc update
21:53 < Postal> why?
21:53 < rxr> since you will need dietlibc for some other T2 features now ..
21:53 < rxr> because the last dietlibc built on x86-64 ...
21:53 < Postal> ok
21:54 < Postal> i forget the svn command
21:54 < rxr> I still need to track why the new release causes a bug in gcc ...
21:54 < rxr> I paste it 2nd
21:54 < rxr> cd package/base/dietlibc
21:54 < Postal> ok
21:55 < CIA-12> rene * r9778 /trunk/package/ (base/curl/ base/wget/ network/curl/ network/wget/): * moved base/{curl,wget} -> network/
21:55 < rxr> one more moment svn log still running
21:55 < Postal> ok
21:56 < rxr> svn merge -r8998:8997 .
21:56 < rxr> I hope it does not conflict ...
21:56 < rxr> and builds ...
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21:58 < _Ragnar_> re
21:58 < Postal> same error rxr
22:00 < Postal> im not sure that it actually reverted
22:00 < Postal> svn merge -r8898:8897 .
22:01 < Postal> but there was nothing new to dl and the error is still the same
22:02 < Postal> ill be back in about 20 min
22:21 < veki> I started to compile my first target . It i sminimal router that I choose from teh ncurses dialog
22:22 < veki> I hope it will be OK :-)
22:23 < veki> Thanks valentin, rxr and mnemoc for help
22:23 < veki> :-)
22:27 < veki> I have to go now and machine will continue building target
22:27 < veki> cu
22:27 < veki> :-)
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22:29 < Postal> back
22:30 < Postal> rxr: any ideas on this dietlibc error?
22:45 < azu1> I go to bed now, bey
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23:06 < _Ragnar_> rxr: btw how do I get it to skip this patch? O_O
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23:41 < rxr> re
23:42 < rxr> Postal: did svn merge output anything ?
23:43 < Postal> rxr: no the svn merge did not output anything
23:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: embedded linux26 built here ...
23:44 < _Ragnar_> O_O
23:45 * _Ragnar_ tries again
23:46 < Postal> rxr: should merge have output anything?
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