T2 IRC Log: 2005-05-16

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--- Log opened Mon May 16 00:00:50 2005
00:13 < valentin> btw: die uhr auf gsmp.tfh geht total falsch
00:13 < valentin> oups - wrong channel
01:38 < valentin> r10 yields a crc error while decompressing the kernel, can anyone verify that ?
04:50 < CIA-10> amery * r8898 /branches/2.1/package/zope/zope/ (stone_mod_zope.sh zope.conf): * merged 8838-8846,8859-8861,8886 from trunk: added stone.d/mod_zope.sh
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05:31 < CIA-10> amery * r8899 /branches/2.1/architecture/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
05:31 < CIA-10> * merged (partially) 8892 from trunk: do not build rivafb and radeon into the kernel on x86
05:31 < CIA-10> * merged (partially) 8892 from trunk: make sure the Tulip network drivers are build as module
05:31 < CIA-10> amery * r8900 /branches/2.1/package/zope/ldapuserfolder/posixgroup.patch: * merged 8863 from trunk: patched ldapuserfolder to accept posixGroups
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08:43 < rxr> re
08:47 < rxr> Free Pascal Compiler 2.0.0
08:47 < rxr> valentin: maybe you downloaded it from gsmp before the rsync finished?
08:47 < rxr> I asked to rsync from my obelix ...
09:03 < CIA-10> rene * r8901 /trunk/package/gnome2/anjuta/anjuta.desc: * updated anjuta (1.2.3 -> 2.0.0)
09:15 < rxr> hehe - the ROCK Live CD still sucks ...
09:16 < rxr> and they have the root and rocker password as "rock"
09:16 < rxr> never leave such a booted box alone or fire up s.th. like ssh ...
09:20 < minto> hehe, maybe they do not use the network
09:20 < minto> btw good morning
09:24 < rxr> moin minto
09:24 < minto> hi rxr, you guys have been busy again.
09:25 < minto> How long till take off!
09:38 < rxr> what take off ?
09:38 * rxr breakfast
09:38 < minto> rxr: When is Live CD to be finished?
10:19 < rxr> hehe - finished is such a finalizing word *g*
10:19 < rxr> the preleminrary first version is due to this friday or so ...
10:20 < rxr> however a much more full-featured version will be available within the upcomming 4 weeks then
11:09 < valentin> moin
11:10 < valentin> is rsync finished now ?
11:10 < rxr> yes, of course ...
11:11 < rxr> maybe just rsync your halfly working version with the one from my obelix ...
11:11 < valentin> rxr: i logged onto gsmp and checked the modification date of the live cd
11:11 < valentin> but maybe rsync did not start to apply blocks at al
11:11 < valentin> l
11:13 < valentin> i rsync again
11:15 < rxr> how is your article ?
11:17 < valentin> besides i need to search one more widget (folks at #kde is completly clueless) in the kde source ...
11:18 < valentin> i need some tea now
11:26 < rxr> valentin: you know there is#
11:26 < rxr> #kde-devel
11:26 < rxr> ?
11:27 < valentin> yeah
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11:32 < rxr> valentin: clueless as well ?
12:01 < CIA-10> rene * r8902 /trunk/package/editors/nano/ (nano.cache nano.desc): * updated nano (1.2.4 -> 1.2.5)
12:05 < rxr> oh r8902
12:19 < valentin> rxr: live cd respawning problem is fixed
12:19 < rxr> good
12:19 < valentin> but ddcprobe has a 1280x1024 @ 75hz mode in the established timing
12:19 < valentin> and the monitor is unable to do that :/
12:20 < valentin> btw: falk just called me
12:20 < valentin> will you join his diploma, too ?
12:30 < valentin> rxr: today #kde* is much more helpfull - more of the core developers seem to be awake (maybe because most of them are from europe..._
12:31 < rxr> valentin: I think I'll join
12:33 < valentin> i will be over at kerstins machine again, manually setting a working videomode
12:38 < valentin> rxr: is xdetect invoked only once ?
12:39 < rxr> yes
12:39 < rxr> in the last version only once ...
12:40 < valentin> which is what users expect :) but i didn't ....
12:40 < valentin> is there a way to restart it ? just call it from the shell ?
12:40 < rxr> rc xdetect
12:40 < rxr> rc xdetect start
12:43 < valentin> ok, worked
12:43 < valentin> what is this established timings section ? are those the supported timings ?
12:44 < valentin> if yes, why is this fscking monitor unable to display this mode ?
12:44 < rxr> no idea about the details
12:45 < rxr> I just use it to reject more modes ...
12:45 < rxr> can you test if X is comming up correctly when you uncomment Hori and Vert timings in the monitor section _
12:46 < valentin> then i have to redetect and restart x
12:46 < valentin> i'll do it in two minutes
12:46 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
12:52 < valentin> rxr: you mean uncomment or comment out ?
12:53 < rxr> comment ...
12:53 < rxr> out
12:53 < valentin> x enabled the same mode again but imediatly quit to vc1
12:53 < valentin> i switched to console 7 and this crashed the machine :(
12:54 < rxr> hm
12:55 < valentin> otho with my manually editited 1024x... config everything went fine - i could even start up gimp
12:56 < valentin> btw: hal device manager misses gtk python
13:01 < rxr> I know
13:09 < rxr> sadly koffice misses some kspellcheck library :-)(
13:09 < rxr> ( even ...
13:09 * rxr shortly getting noddles ...
13:09 < rxr> valentin: what is the estim. finishing time of your article ?
13:12 < valentin> noidea
13:12 < valentin> do you want to have ooo on the magazine live cd ?
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13:14 < rxr> I think so
13:14 < rxr> I think there is about 100MB of space free - that might be 250 MB of uncompressed DATA ...
13:15 < rxr> enough for OpenOffice and it's and Koffice deps ...
13:15 < rxr> r11 will include it I think
13:19 < rxr> and if we get space problems I would rather delete seldom needed i18n files ...
13:19 < rxr> for all programs ..
13:19 * rxr noddles ...
13:26 < valentin> rxr: esp for the magazine cd we do not need all languages in the world
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13:52 < rxr> re
13:52 < sparc-kly> hi
13:53 < rxr> hi
13:55 < rxr> finally - a reasonable download rate for the bt: 147.67 kB/s
13:57 < rxr> sparc-kly: there is r10 now ...
14:20 < rxr> 10266 t2-live.tx
14:20 < rxr> I thikn mine will be mostly ready a bit after 16:oo
14:20 < rxr> 00 even ...
14:20 < rxr> how much do you have valentin ?
14:25 < valentin> can i shortly call you ?
14:25 < valentin> mine ?
14:28 < sparc-kly> 147.67 kB/s :( i only have 26kb/s
15:21 < rxr> re
15:59 < valentin> btw: kde folks tell that it is valid to delete a 0 pointer
15:59 < rxr> yep - AFAIR the standard says free of 0 does return
16:04 < valentin> should i rely on that ?
16:06 < rxr> nope - better always know what you programm ,-)
16:06 < rxr> why do you asks ?
16:06 < rxr> man 3 free: "If ptr is NULL, no operation is performed."
16:08 < valentin> i just ask, because kde ppl told me so
16:08 < rxr> custom allocators might not behave that way *g*
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16:33 < rxr> ? ,-)
16:33 < kgb> :(
16:34 < kgb> the DSL of my shell box is not routing :\
16:36 < rxr> hm
16:36 < rxr> :-((
16:36 < rxr> hi kgb !
16:37 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.17] has joined #t2
16:37 < kgb> :)
16:37 < kgb> mnemoc!
16:37 < kgb> great to see you back
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
16:39 < valentin> hi mnemoc and hi kgb
16:42 < kgb> hi
16:42 < mnemoc> hi
16:42 < rxr> 13513 t2-live.txt
16:42 < kgb> .oO
16:43 < rxr> accompany article for T2@live PR ,-)
16:43 < rxr> I think I spellcheck it and then it will be mostly final ...
16:43 < mnemoc> :D
16:44 [Users #t2]
16:44 [ _Ragnar_] [ keinek] [ mnemoc] [ SerWou ] [ valentin]
16:44 [ CIA-10 ] [ kgb ] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly ]
16:44 [ jsaw ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly|U5]
16:44 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
16:44 < mnemoc> OT: do you have any tip to get \pagestyle{fancy} to use the header until right margin? it's only using about 70% here :(
16:58 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178162173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
16:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
16:58 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
16:58 [Users #t2]
16:58 [ _Ragnar_] [ keinek] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly|U5]
16:58 [ CIA-10 ] [ kgb ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ]
16:58 [ jsaw ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
16:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
16:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:03 < rxr_> re
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17:11 < kgb> rxr_: what do you use for headers and footers on latex?
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17:22 < rxr_> mnemoc: I'm not an every day latex user
17:22 < rxr_> mnemoc: in fact I hate it pretty much ...
17:22 < rxr_> valentin: kreadconfig --file kdeglobals --group Locale --key Languagefr
17:22 < rxr_> !!!
17:22 < rxr_> err --fr of course ...
17:23 < rxr_> I'll go and hack xkb setting due to language selection into startkde (for the live cd)
17:23 < CIA-10> amery * r8903 /trunk/package/zope/zope/zope-conf.in: * improved zope-conf.in to remove path for srcdir (CPSSkins comes on Products/CPSSkins)
17:24 < CIA-10> amery * r8904 /trunk/package/zope/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
17:24 < CIA-10> * added cpsskins (2.2.2)
17:24 < CIA-10> * added verbosesecurity (0.6)
17:24 < CIA-10> * added cmfactionicons (0.9)
17:34 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:34 * rxr seding article ...
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17:38 < valentin> valentin hates and loves latex
17:38 < valentin> rxr: you sed your article ?
17:39 < rxr> in some seconds
17:39 < rxr> just taking the last screenshot
17:43 < valentin> what do you do with sed ?
17:45 < rxr> sending
17:45 < valentin> ah :)
17:50 < valentin> another telekom bill virus - this time even with the note in the email that it is about Eur 296,02
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18:01 < rxr> valentin: I do not care a bit about such bit patterns ...
18:02 < rxr> or do you try to increate the google ranking ?=
18:05 < valentin> hehe
18:06 < valentin> hello, all you M$ worm victims: try http://www.t2-project.org/live/
18:06 < rxr> yearh - r11 to go soon
18:07 < rxr> includes keyboard layout setting based on kpersonlizer language and a boot installed OS grub entry ,-)!
18:07 < tilix> rxr: then I should stop downloading r11
18:07 < valentin> rxr: normaly i do not care much about worms, but this telekom thing gets on my nerves because my university inbox is quite bombed theese days
18:07 < tilix> r10
18:07 < rxr> tilix: download it and then rsyn r11 from me
18:08 < tilix> rsync stopped at 50% for more than an hour
18:08 < rxr> err - r11 should IIRC only differ a few kB
18:08 < rxr> tilix: yes - my home DSL reconnected ...
18:08 < tilix> i`ll wait the r11 iso and then i`ll download it. I think that`s better.
18:09 < rxr> tilix: always use -P equivalent to --partial --progress
18:09 < tilix> i`m trying again
18:09 < rxr> so you can just rerun rsync in the case of connection loss ,-)
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18:10 < tilix> so r11 is at your home?
18:10 < tilix> 285753600 50% 18.04kB/s 4:17:45
18:11 < rxr> r11 is not yet out - but when it is, you can update your r10 with a few kB of transfer volume ...
18:11 < rxr> can you notify me when you got r10 ?
18:11 < tilix> ok
18:12 < tilix> i guess something happened this morning, and rsync started from 0 KB - now I have a 270 MB file and the old iso seems to be disappered
18:33 < valentin> hm, one cannot disable tabs in QT :/
18:33 < rxr> ?
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18:35 < valentin> a tabbed page in a tab browser does not change its state to "uneditable", neither does the whole tabbrowser itself
18:36 < rxr> valentin: right now I'm investigating your sermouse trouble ...
18:40 < valentin> rxr: :D
18:43 < rxr> maybe we are lucky and the kernel is already able to hande serial mice itself
18:43 < valentin> how ?
18:43 < rxr> I just recompile with CONFIG_SERMOUSE built-in - was module before
18:43 < rxr> the 2.6 input system is quite sophisticated
18:44 < rxr> I know it works on my SPARCS - the only questionalbe point I do not know right now is, whether we need to throw the name of the tty to use into some proc or sysfs file - or if the kernel will be smart enough on bootup to iterate of the serial tty lines ....
18:44 < rxr> on SPARC it does - but whether it does for standard PC UARTS I do not yet know
18:45 < rxr> google only yields cloueless fedora people crap
18:45 < rxr> I'll see soon
18:45 < rxr> I have a sermouse here for testing ...
18:49 < CIA-10> rene * r8905 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: * enable SERIO_PCIPS2 as well as MOUSE_SERIAL in the linux kernel by default
18:51 < valentin> so with this option the serial mouse input is translated to imps/2 and queued into /dev/input/... ?
18:51 < rxr> yes - this is definetly implemented AFAICS - the only part yet unknown is: whether the kernel will find the mouse itself on bootup, or if we have to throw some string into some sysfs or proc file to activate it on the give serio port ..
18:52 < _Ragnar_> moin
18:53 < valentin> moin _Ragnar_
18:53 < _Ragnar_> hey valentin :)
18:53 < rxr> hm - there is some inputattach:
18:53 < rxr> http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~jpc1/linux/ipaq/inputattach.c
18:53 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_ !
18:55 < rxr> maybe this is necessary:
18:55 < rxr> inputattach -xxx /dev/tts/X
18:56 < _Ragnar_> uhm be careful with that tho
18:57 < valentin> rxr: but this can be done in runtime even when X is up running ?
18:57 < _Ragnar_> sometimes, when there's no mouse connected, the kernel seems to lock up the keyboard
18:57 < valentin> and when using /dev/mice you just can use your sermouse
18:57 < rxr> yes
18:59 < rxr> valentin: we have no inputattach right now - and I'm unable to locate some official tarball
18:59 < rxr> but do not worry
18:59 < rxr> continue your article - I'll get that running
19:00 < rxr> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/input-utils.html
19:04 < valentin> novell....
19:08 < rxr> yeah - source? what is that ...
19:08 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 97.69% (4279 hits, 101 misses)
19:08 < rxr> always a pleasure to look at ...
19:10 < valentin> how would you translate "default" into german ?
19:11 < rxr> voreinstellung / grundeinstellung, ...
19:11 < rxr> standardmaessif
19:11 < rxr> +g
19:12 < valentin> well - did not mean "defaults" but default profile
19:12 < valentin> perhaps standard
19:12 < rxr> yep
19:12 < valentin> or even (keins)
19:13 < rxr> stndard looks ok
19:13 < rxr> a
19:13 < rxr> +
19:13 < rxr> damn
19:13 < rxr> is this keyboard defect ...
19:13 < valentin> .oO
19:16 < rxr> hehe
19:16 < rxr> agg 2.2-4 C++ SVG Rendering Library
19:16 < rxr> ?
19:17 < rxr> http://antigrain.com/svg/
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20:12 < valentin> i'll be back in about 30 minutes
20:13 < rxr> cu
20:17 < rxr> Bluetonic World - Bejond the unverse code 2" could make a nice background music while configureing kpersonalizer on the live cd - with some visual movie it would be more impressiev than osx ,-)
20:24 < rxr> ok - no automatics - seems we need inputattach
20:27 < CIA-10> rene * r8906 /trunk/package/base/input-utils/ (. input-utils.cache input-utils.conf input-utils.desc): * added input-utils (2005-05-15)
20:27 < mnemoc> rehi
20:27 < rxr> hi mnemoc
20:28 < mnemoc> rxr: did you revert .pc thing or you are trying to fix it?
20:28 < rxr> I'll have to fix it ...
20:28 < rxr> reverting means loosing valid dependencies ...
20:28 < rxr> with .pc files used we "just" get too many deps ...
20:28 < rxr> but this can be fixed - I think
20:28 < rxr> I just need a smarter filter ...
20:34 < rxr> cool - my automatic xkb mode set works ,-)
20:34 < rxr> based on user choice from kde personalizer !
20:34 < rxr> soon - we'
20:34 < rxr> ll dominate the world
20:35 < mnemoc> :)
20:38 < rxr> valentin: inputattach -ms /dev/tts/0 worked for me ...
20:38 < rxr> but inputattach needs to keep running ...
20:39 < rxr> if you quit it the connection is terminated
20:39 < rxr> but my box freaked out then ... :-(
20:39 < rxr> but maybe OOM ...
20:39 < rxr> it runs on reverse bits with 96MB and the livecd ...
20:45 < mnemoc> rxr: which is livecd rsync location?
20:46 < tilix> rsync -P rsync://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/public/live/t2.iso your.iso
20:49 < mnemoc> thanks :)
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20:54 < valentin_> and .... another power outage :*(
20:54 < valentin_> what did i miss in the last 3 minutes ?
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20:56 < valentin> hope noone was doing something in our svn right now ...
21:26 < rxr> re
21:26 < rxr> valentin: what was the reason for the power-down this time ?
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21:33 < valentin> turning on watercooker and microwave the same time while all electric consumers in the flat were running
21:33 < valentin> stupid me
21:38 < valentin> i need better fuses
21:38 < rxr> ic
21:38 < valentin> maybe a turning a screw into the fuse socket will do ...
21:39 < valentin> it sucks that allmost all consumers are attached to one power source
21:51 < valentin> rxr: how would you call the non-pppoe modems ?
21:51 < valentin> serial modems ?
22:01 < rxr> re
22:01 < rxr> just Modem? or analog modem?
22:03 < valentin> analog modem
22:03 < valentin> "Analoges Modem"
22:06 < rxr> hm - s.th. is strange in the kernel
22:06 < rxr> I get two events to load the firmware into my DVB card
22:06 < rxr> and since my hotplug++ is so fast it oopses when the 2nd gets executed in parallel with the first
22:07 < rxr> no idea why this does not show up with rockplug - maybe because it takes so long until the cp firmware /sys/.../data is executed ...
22:14 < rxr> redhat^Wfedora core does this in gpm init:
22:14 < rxr> if [ -n "$IMOUSETYPE" ]; then
22:14 < rxr> if [ "$(pidofproc inputattach)" = "" ]; then
22:14 < rxr> modprobe sermouse > /dev/null 2>&1
22:14 < rxr> /usr/sbin/inputattach -$IMOUSETYPE $DEVICE --daemon
22:14 < rxr> DEVICE="/dev/input/mice"
22:14 < rxr> MOUSETYPE="exps2"
22:14 < rxr> fi
22:14 < rxr> fi
22:14 < rxr> not that inteligent ...
22:17 < valentin> what is exps2 ? i only know imps2
22:18 < rxr> some explorer whatever ..
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22:25 < c4y0> hi
22:26 < rxr> hm - sermouse can oops my athlon kernel ...
22:26 < rxr> input: Microsoft Mouse on ttyS0/serio0
22:26 < rxr> serio: Serial port ttyS0
22:26 < rxr> Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 2020202c
22:27 < rxr> [] tty_wakeup+0x6d/0x70
22:27 < rxr> [] uart_close+0xb7/0x1e0
22:27 < rxr> [] release_dev+0x654/0x770
22:27 < rxr> [] svc_sendto+0x30/0x260
22:27 < rxr> [] zap_pmd_range+0x4b/0x70
22:27 < rxr> [] zap_pud_range+0x29/0x50
22:27 < rxr> [] unmap_page_range+0x65/0x80
22:27 < rxr> [] free_hot_cold_page+0x21/0xf0
22:27 < rxr> [] free_hot_cold_page+0x9e/0xf0
22:27 < rxr> [] _atomic_dec_and_lock+0x26/0x60
22:27 < rxr> ...
22:28 < _Ragnar_> oops
22:28 < _Ragnar_> O_O
22:39 < rxr> so
22:40 < rxr> seems to happen only when the mouse is mooved ..
22:40 < rxr> and the inputattach is stopped ...
22:41 < rxr> but even moving another mice mixing events into the input subsystem is enough ...
22:43 < rxr> valentin: first I get some food - then I try to implement pnp serial detect tonight
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23:17 < valentin> re
23:18 < sparc-kly> hi valentin . last t2 desktop is ? what version ?
23:19 < valentin> we have 2.1-beta4
23:22 < valentin> and the development trunk at revision 8906
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23:58 < valentin> rxr: do we need to display the ppp speed parameter in this version of the network config - if yes, a simple textfield or sth more advanced ?
23:59 < mnemoc> re
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