T2 IRC Log: 2005-05-09
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--- Log opened Mon May 09 00:00:47 2005
00:00 < mnemoc_> a -local $url option to Download can be very useful
00:04 < rxr> doing what ?
00:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: when to got to the press with the live cd - when it works mostly (in 2 days or so)
00:08 < rxr> or when it is perfect with full d-bus and hal integration, install option, permanent data storage partition selection and so on ?
00:08 < rxr> that is in 2 weeks or so ?=
00:09 < mnemoc_> downloading from a mirror of non-mirrorable stuff
00:09 < rxr> btw you mention you missed lspci - you tested the first live-cd ?
00:10 < mnemoc_> v3, yes
00:12 < rxr> and - all fine ?
00:12 < rxr> in qemu or real hardware ?
00:12 < mnemoc_> an error about DIRCOLORS but everything looks ok
00:12 < mnemoc_> real hardware
00:12 < rxr> yes that was known ...
00:12 < rxr> due to only dumping a bit of my life system into it ,-)
00:13 < rxr> right now I wonder why the h*ll the udev permissions are not applied ...
00:18 < valentin> someone knows a good global available nameserver ?
00:18 < valentin> there were some from netscape or yahoo or so ...
00:19 < rxr> why?
00:19 < rxr> as example in the frontend ?
00:19 < valentin> just to fill something in initialy when a new manual config is created
00:19 < rxr> hm
00:19 < valentin> i could use something stupid like 127.0.0.1
00:19 < rxr> no - then 192.168.1.1 or so ...
00:19 < valentin> but it is nice to have one that is always working for sure
00:19 < valentin> ok
00:20 < rxr> give google a try - maybe there are global nameserver ..
00:20 < rxr> however we could also perconfigure a ns cache locally using the root nameserver ... ,-)
00:20 < valentin> i always used global nameservers (imo netscapre) in the past
00:20 < rxr> or you find a good global one
00:20 < rxr> I never did ,-)
00:20 < rxr> the telco ones - or the uni one ...
00:21 < valentin> since i have my dsl i use a mix from qsc and my univ.
00:21 < valentin> back in my old analogue time i used the netscape one
00:21 < valentin> because this did not change every two weeks and provider
00:22 < valentin> yes - i know peerdns stuff :)
00:22 < rxr> at that time PPP was not able to parse the peer fields ...
00:22 < rxr> this is a new feature since 1 or 2 years or so ...
00:24 < valentin> yes
00:25 < valentin> even t-online changed their nameservers from time to time
00:28 < rxr> and - did google retun some global nameserver ?
00:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: your ppp profile is incomplete - where is the password option ? ,)
00:28 < valentin> did not search, just took the 192 .... one now
00:29 < mnemoc_> valentin: on /etc/ppp/pap-secrets where it belongs
00:30 < valentin> :(
00:30 < mnemoc_> :)
00:31 < mnemoc_> i don't want to have my /etc/conf/network 600
00:31 < mnemoc_> but i dont awant to expose my password neither
00:31 < valentin> what widget would you propose for netmask bits ? textfield, spin button or a simple drop down with a set of standart nmb's like 24,16,8,0 ?
00:31 < valentin> i would take a spin button
00:31 < valentin> mnemoc_: sissi...
00:32 < mnemoc_> [0-3][0-9]?
00:32 < rxr> valentin: kde has a special widget for it IIRC
00:32 < valentin> huh ?
00:32 < mnemoc_> .oO( sissi? )o
00:32 < valentin> did not find that
00:32 < rxr> what has OS X?
00:32 < rxr> I think four fields, right ?
00:32 < valentin> old style netmask field
00:32 < valentin> iirc
00:33 < mnemoc_> valentin: what sissi means?
00:34 < valentin> milksop, softy ,)
00:34 < valentin> you fear someone will take your password ....
00:34 < mnemoc_> hehe
00:34 < valentin> netmask field ?
00:36 < mnemoc_> just a fifth field after an / :)
00:37 < valentin> yeah - but this looks ugly when there are two other ip fields below without the netmask thing
00:39 < rxr> I think the new /bits syntax is too unknown to users ...
00:39 < rxr> maybe leave the old syntax in the frontend for now ...
00:41 < valentin> so i.e use another ip widget for that ?
00:42 < valentin> and how can i convert netmask into bits if some moron enters something not (2^32 - 1) - (2^nmb - 1) ?
00:42 < rxr> I do not know qt enough ...
00:42 < rxr> slap him ...
00:42 < valentin> rxr: this has nothing to do with qt
00:42 < rxr> either error or just count to the first not set bit
00:43 < valentin> rxr: ok :)
00:43 < valentin> if someone enteres something different i will pop up a window with the kde dragon to scare him away :)
00:44 < valentin> i just test how my spinbox thing looks before, because i already implemented that during the discussion
00:45 < valentin> uagh - looks ugly :)
00:45 < rxr> haha
00:46 < rxr> one needs a credit card for iTunes - even in Germany ...
00:46 < rxr> goodbye iTunes - click
00:46 < rxr> who the hell wants a credit card !?!?!
00:46 < valentin> everyone outside eu ?
00:48 < valentin> i'll eat a tangerine now, and because that may be a bit messy, i will not anwer your questions for some minutes...
00:48 < rxr> valentin: that is the _german_ iTunes store ..
00:48 < rxr> not the US one I wanted to sign in ...
00:49 < rxr> at least I do not need to frickle the songs out of OS suX now ...
00:52 < rxr> I hope my athlon does not start to feel boring ...
00:52 < rxr> only shuffling livecd's together since days ...
00:54 < valentin> why is there still the drock-user list ?
00:54 < rxr> because the sourceforge people suck
00:54 < valentin> sourceforge sucks
00:54 < valentin> :)
00:54 < valentin> same thought in the same second
00:55 < rxr> I already mailed them several times to remove both drock and gsmp
00:55 < rxr> but they simple don't do it ..
00:55 < rxr> I just added it to the service tracker of them some weeks ago ...
00:55 < rxr> but - welll - what should I say - they suck so much I have seldom see someone sucking ..
00:56 < rxr> I have no idea - what I should do ...
00:56 < rxr> one can not remove project - to do so you have to add a request to the service thing there ...
00:58 < valentin> rxr: nuke them
00:58 < valentin> or sue them
00:58 < rxr> Natalie Imbruglia
00:58 < rxr> there is a new CD from her - I can't believe this ...
00:58 < valentin> thats a good idea - send Natalie over there
00:58 < rxr> just noticed on http://www.musicload.de
00:59 < rxr> why the h*ll is the no music service one can use ...
00:59 < rxr> either kredit card or unacceptable download formats ...
00:59 < valentin> donkey ?
00:59 < rxr> or whatever crap ...
00:59 < rxr> damn #
01:01 < rxr> Qualit?t: WMA-File
01:01 < rxr> 128 kbit/s
01:01 < rxr> that must be a joke - really ...
01:01 < rxr> who pays - let me check -
01:01 < rxr> 1,59 EUR per sonf for such a crappy WMA shit ??!?!
01:01 < rxr> guess t-offline users ...
01:01 < rxr> and windows junies ...
01:04 < rxr> ok - well - there are also those strange people and kids investing in ring tones for the cell ...
01:16 < rxr> Mp3shop4you verkauft Dateien im MP3-Format mit 192 kBit/s zu einem Festpreis von 79 Cent pro Titel zuz?glich Mehrwertssteuer. Bezahlt wird via Paypal oder auf Rechnung -- bei letzterer Variante f?llt die Mehrwertssteuer ?berraschenderweise unter den Tisch und wird mit 0 Euro berechnet. Bei Download-Stichproben von heise online konnten die Dateien trotz der hohen Bitrate klanglich nicht ?berzeugen.
01:17 < rxr> Unknown host www.mp3shop4you.de
01:17 < rxr> aha
01:19 < valentin> try .com
01:20 < rxr> domaingrabber
01:20 < valentin> yes :/
01:20 < rxr> seems this dubious company went bankrupt ...
01:28 < rxr> http://shopbase.finetunes.net/
01:28 < rxr> fedora core test page - lol
01:29 < rxr> http://shopbase.finetunes.net/shopserver/ActionServlet
01:29 < rxr> is the show - what is redirected to from www.
01:32 < Veki> I have to sleep, but i will awake early in teh morning again. I am glad that you are doing rather well
01:33 < rxr> gn8 Veki cu in the morning then ,-)
01:33 < Veki> cu, thanx
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01:36 < rxr> ok - me moving into bed and only come back to test the first bruned live cd in the K6-2 233 box or what it is ,-)
01:37 < valentin> i wonder if my hacked netmask works now
01:38 < valentin> rxr: squashfs again ?
02:02 < rxr> no - waiting for the lousy iBook CD writer to burn my CD-RW at 4x ...
02:02 < rxr> damn - does not boot
02:02 < rxr> but the kernel does not come up - maybe the kernel I implanted is optmized too high ...
02:03 < rxr> I test on my athlon - reboot - cu
02:08 < mnemoc_> cu rxr
02:10 < valentin> i will fall asleep soon, too ...
02:10 < valentin> the question is: shall i coffee or get up a bit earlier tomorow ?
02:11 < mnemoc_> can you get up early and be productive?
02:11 < valentin> HAHAHAHA http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/08/2030216
02:12 < valentin> too bad the blog with the screenshot seems to be slashdotted ...
02:13 < valentin> mnemoc_: good question
02:13 < valentin> sometimes i managed to work in the early morning when i was under extremly high preassure
02:16 < valentin> ah - there is a netmirror
02:16 < valentin> this red looks very hostile
02:17 < valentin> and those very informative messages like "an error occured"
02:18 < mnemoc_> :D
02:20 < rxr> h,m
02:20 < rxr> hm even
02:20 < rxr> on the athlon it boots
02:20 < rxr> but it includes a bug I already fixed
02:20 < rxr> must have forgotten to run mkinitramfs again ... :-()
02:21 < rxr> valentin: sleep on need ..
02:21 < rxr> we will not have a cd until evening anyway ...
02:21 < rxr> and I need to find out why KDE gives IPC errors when running as live user
02:21 < rxr> maybe udev permission of s.th. in /dev ...
02:21 < rxr> I'll track tomorrow
02:22 < valentin> .oO
02:22 < mnemoc_> gn8 rxr
02:22 < valentin> rxr: i can implement a RSOD
02:22 < mnemoc_> LOL
02:22 < rxr> valentin: and I kick you ...
02:23 < rxr> better implement a userspace "screeon of boot" .-)
02:23 < rxr> "They also fail to mention the 3rd kind of failiure: the purple screen of death. Happens when longhorn bsods and rsods at the same time. psod is part of microsoft's new "quantum crash" technology, which is another added feature to longhorn."
02:23 < rxr> n8 all
02:25 < valentin> hehe
02:25 < valentin> gn8 rxr
02:25 < valentin> mnemoc_: i think i will leave you, too
02:26 < valentin> before my brain starts to {B,R}SOD
02:27 < valentin> gn8 all
02:35 < mnemoc_> valentin: gn8
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10:36 < mnemoc> .oO( where is everybody this morning? )o
10:42 < daja77> sleeping
10:46 < mnemoc> :)
10:46 < mnemoc> i should be doing that also
10:47 < daja77> :)
10:49 < mnemoc> i take tje bus to univ in 1:20h... doesn't make much sense to go to sleep :\
10:50 < daja77> :/
10:59 < valentin> moin
11:00 < valentin> mnemoc: you are mad ...
11:00 < mnemoc> hi valentin
11:00 < mnemoc> why?
11:00 < valentin> because you stay up all night ...
11:01 < mnemoc> how many times have you stay awake until 5am?
11:01 < mnemoc> i would say "quite often" :)
11:03 < mnemoc> the only problem is that i will be sleep on the exams i have today :'(
11:03 < valentin> mnemoc: but not when i have to work the morning after
11:03 < valentin> you have exams today ?
11:03 < valentin> .oO
11:03 < rxr> re
11:03 < mnemoc> hi rxr
11:04 < rxr> hi mnemoc
11:05 < rxr> mnemoc: I wish you luck ans success for your exames
11:05 < valentin> hi rxr
11:05 < mnemoc> i have 4 documents to deliver today, one control and 2 exams :(
11:06 < valentin> so you worked the whole night ?
11:06 < mnemoc> aa... and a java homework for "concurrent programming"
11:06 < rxr> me booting into live again ...
11:06 < rxr> cu soon
11:06 < rxr> .oO(poor mnemoc)
11:06 < mnemoc> on the damn documents :(
11:07 < mnemoc> i have to learn java before doing the homework :\
11:09 < mnemoc> rxr: will your livecd thing be appliable to different targets? or just on target?
11:13 < mnemoc> i was asked about a frontier firewall solution on livecd (firewall+router+dmz+vpn+web interface)
11:14 < valentin> mnemoc: of course you can take the technology and alter some package selection / configs
11:14 < mnemoc> ok, so 'just one target'
11:15 < rxr> re
11:15 < rxr> cool - livecd now works - good that I slept - it has just been the /tmp permissiosn ...
11:16 < rxr> mnemoc: the implementation details can of course be discussed, changed and tweaked
11:16 < rxr> for now it is a tartetr
11:16 < rxr> target even
11:16 < mnemoc> :)
11:19 < mnemoc> i'll wait for you 'release' before going deep on that
11:25 < CIA-10> rene * r8731 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init:
11:25 < CIA-10> * made sure /dev/pts is created, such as /dev/shm previously, e.g.
11:25 < CIA-10> for u/dev systems ...
11:54 < rxr> ok - boot straight into kde now:
11:54 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-live.png
11:55 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-live-alpha.iso
12:00 < rxr> valentin: we need a graphical language, keymapping and timezone chooser ...
12:00 < rxr> :-)
12:00 * rxr shower and getting breakfast ...
12:01 < rxr> valentin: do you want to downloa first, or should I push it to the uni first?
12:01 < rxr> I think the later, yep?
12:04 < rxr> 18.0KB/s 8:08:21 ETA
12:04 < rxr> transfer to UNI ...
12:05 < rxr> 19.2KB/s 7:39:00 ETA
12:05 < rxr> we'll see /me shortly away
12:05 < valentin> ok
12:05 < valentin> cu rxr
12:06 < valentin> rxr: there is the kde wizzard ...
12:14 < rxr> hm - ok, indeed
12:14 < rxr> I need to check that out ...
12:14 < rxr> valentin: maybe we could meet this evening? for a bof ?
12:14 < rxr> are you in the uni today?
12:20 < valentin> yes, but i will hack my netconf
12:20 < valentin> i meet with K's family at 19:00 in a Restaurant in Britz
12:21 < valentin> i could come over after that
12:37 < rxr> hm - not too late susan will be here, so it would be a bit rude to hang out until late when we need to get up early around 6 in the morning ...
12:37 * rxr bakery - finally - after the usual Avision PR pushing phonecalls ...
12:47 < rxr> quite dark clouds on the sky ...
12:47 < rxr> 10? ...
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12:52 < jeru> moin
12:57 < rxr> moin jeru
12:59 < jeru> rxr: how do we handle the [M] flags for "unmaintained" packages ?
13:01 < jeru> rxr: should we wipe out all the rock related package maintainers? e.g. if we upgrade a package
13:02 < valentin> moin jeru
13:02 < valentin> 10 what ?
13:03 < jeru> moin valentin ... how about helicopters today ? ;)
13:11 < valentin> seen none yey
13:11 < valentin> yet
13:13 < jeru> have anyone still tested this bacula backup system which was described in the current linux-magazin ?
13:13 < jeru> looks quite interesting for my machines at work
13:14 < jeru> to replace my hand made backup scripts
13:18 < valentin> someone was here a while ago who told sth about backula
13:18 < valentin> cu later
13:18 < jeru> cu valentin
13:22 < rxr> re
13:24 < rxr> 20.9KB/s 5:42:39 ETA
13:28 < jeru> just a note: I will update heimdal, postgresql, bacula soon
13:40 < rxr> valentin: I phoned our contractor - are you reachable via phone ?
14:21 < valentin> re
14:21 < valentin> my ibook crashed on wakeup
14:21 < valentin> first time since using 2.6
14:21 < valentin> rxr: i'll call you in some minutes
14:31 < rxr> at least pdksh allows ${x%blubs} and ${x#bla}
14:33 < CIA-10> chris * r8732 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/heimdal.desc: * updated heimdal (0.6.3 -> 0.6.4)
14:34 < CIA-10> chris * r8733 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * updated postgresql (8.0.1 -> 8.0.2)
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14:40 < rxr> jeru: btw. do you already use T2 @ work ?
14:40 < jeru> rxr: yep ... but psssssst ;)
14:41 < jeru> rxr: I've a network monitoring system based on T2 (you remember nagios was one of my first packages I commited ;)
14:42 < rxr> yep - I just was curious if you already run it in production @work - so psst ,-)
14:42 < rxr> this tiny shells drive me crazzy ...
14:43 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... I agree one has to be a bit careful using it in production ;)
14:43 < rxr> what do you mean ?
14:44 < jeru> because my first installation are based from trunk and a lot has changed
14:44 < jeru> but no problems so far
14:44 < rxr> good ,-)
14:45 < rxr> ah - cool ,-) /me found a way to teach pdksh what doto do
14:47 < jeru> rxr: before I'll leave work today I'll start a T2 "stable" build for trouble ticket system @ work ...
14:49 < jeru> but I'm not quite sure if I should offer my technical director to using T2 for custom installations and droping debian
14:50 < rxr> of course ,-)
14:51 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... but he's debian adicted ...
14:51 < rxr> debian? was this this no-name project managing even less stable releases than we do *g* ?
14:52 < jeru> hehe :)
14:52 < rxr> 2.2 and initram u/dev will rock majorly
14:52 < rxr> with the livecd based install as desktop target I think it should become a major success
14:53 < jeru> rxr: full ack :)
14:54 < jeru> rxr: because they want to enter the security market they should create a new department for custom security solutions
14:54 < rxr> your company wants to enter ?
14:55 < jeru> .oO( based on T2 of course )o
14:55 < jeru> but I'll need a smart way for doing binary updates
14:56 < rxr> compressed xdeltas
14:56 < jeru> rxr: can you tell me more about ?
14:56 < jeru> or give me some links ?
14:57 < rxr> if you have ram to spare use unionfs to overlay - otherwise atomic updates are problematic
14:57 < rxr> jeru: hm - no links - just ideas ,-)
14:57 < jeru> delta images from tar balls ?
14:57 < rxr> binary deltas of the installed filesystem content
14:57 < jeru> oh!
14:58 < jeru> indeed that would be nice ... I remember your ideas regarding your partition layout for the embedded router :)
15:13 < rxr> it is a bit annoying that the grub cd does not boot on my old k62 :-( ...
15:24 < CIA-10> chris * r8734 /trunk/package/network/bacula/ (bacula.conf bacula.desc):
15:24 < CIA-10> * updated bacula (1.33.3-16Feb04 -> 1.36.3)
15:24 < CIA-10> * added bacula.conf
15:24 < CIA-10> * changed [S] (Beta -> Stable)
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15:52 < keinek> hi
15:56 < jeru> hi keinek
16:00 < mnemoc> hi
16:01 < valentin> i have to review a "jugend forscht" work
16:01 < mnemoc> O.O
16:02 < valentin> == researching youth
16:02 < mnemoc> thanks :)
16:02 < valentin> a science contest for pupils and young studends
16:02 < valentin> i have a work from a guy ho participated int mathematics/comp.science
16:02 < valentin> and he mistook the topic for "programming youth"
16:03 < valentin> he implemented a win32 p2p chat program
16:03 < mnemoc> using a known rpc or his own'
16:03 < valentin> maybe this was a lot of work for a 16 year old, but this has nothing todo with science
16:03 < mnemoc> ?
16:03 < valentin> his own
16:04 < valentin> though he uses many .net libs vor visualisation and stuff
16:04 < mnemoc> ic
16:04 < valentin> he has its own p2p routing protocol but he looses no word about that in the work
16:04 < valentin> he just counts the endless list of features his tool has
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16:05 < valentin> but the only interessting thing in a c.sci. context would be the routing
16:05 < valentin> so i cannot give many points for that
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16:09 < jeru> hi mnemoc
16:16 < mnemoc> hi jeru
16:16 < valentin> ok, he talks about the protocol, but it is not too sophisticated
16:16 < mnemoc> jeru: [028] - IssueTrackerProduct 0.6.7
16:16 < jeru> mnemoc: have you tried it ?
16:16 < mnemoc> valentin: how is it centralized?
16:17 < mnemoc> jeru: no
16:17 < mnemoc> jeru: i'm waiting for you :)
16:17 < jeru> mnemoc: I'm sorry ... I'd like to have more hours per day ... as you too
16:18 < mnemoc> jeru: yep :|
16:18 < jeru> mnemoc: how long do plan to be here in the channel
16:18 < mnemoc> 1h
16:19 < valentin> mnemoc: you use a central server that connects you to a queried user, after that the clients exchange their routing tables
16:19 < mnemoc> but i'm not sure if i'll have class
16:19 < valentin> the stupid thing: all packages use the routing network between the nodes
16:19 < jeru> have to move home now ... so I guess I'll see you later.
16:19 < valentin> so it is not even real p2p
16:19 < mnemoc> jeru: cu
16:19 < valentin> they should just exchange ip addresses
16:20 < jeru> ok ... cu later folks :)
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16:20 < mnemoc> valentin: he has only 16 :)
16:24 < valentin> mnemoc: i do not doubt that it was a big amount of work and i am sure he had to learn very much about the .net components and libs he uses
16:24 < valentin> but i have a list of criteria here that do not apply to this work
16:25 < mnemoc> ack, he is not creating anything
16:25 < valentin> and there is no explanation about advantages that his routing has
16:25 < rxr_> damn - grub is not working correctly on the good old K6 II @ 233
16:25 < rxr_> hanging strangely ...
16:25 < rxr_> damn
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16:26 < valentin> i only see disadvantages, namely packages are send over many clients until they reach their destination
16:26 < mnemoc> rxr: last or previous?
16:26 < rxr> both
16:26 < rxr> from CD that is ...
16:27 < rxr> the CD boots fie in qemu, and susan's as well as mine athlon ..
16:27 < rxr> and yours, too ..
16:27 < rxr> damn x86 crap where each box has other defects ..
16:27 < valentin> hm
16:27 < mnemoc> .oO( was that grub? )o
16:30 < valentin> ugh - this guy participated every year since 2000
16:30 < valentin> and he won first prices for the more uninteressting works
16:30 < rxr> ?
16:31 < mnemoc> 2000 - 16 years.... since 11??
16:31 < valentin> yes
16:32 < valentin> i understand why he won prices in 2000
16:32 < valentin> but he won the first price for a flash-visitor counter in 2003 what i consider rather trivial
16:33 < valentin> and the work he send in this year is a new version of a programm he send in last year
16:34 < CIA-10> amery * r8735 /trunk/package/network/rdesktop/rdesktop.desc: * updated rdesktop (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
16:34 < valentin> he is for sure a quite talented programmer, but as i said before this does not count
16:34 < CIA-10> amery * r8736 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.15 -> 0.5.16)
16:38 < rxr> valentin: since when do you review this jugend forscht crap, where people win with accumulator memory effect analyses that are long know ?
16:38 < rxr> +n
16:39 < valentin> since today
16:39 < CIA-10> amery * r8737 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
16:39 < rxr> you have jobs ...
16:39 < valentin> i did not want to, though
16:39 < valentin> yes
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17:07 < CIA-10> lars * r8738 /trunk/package/themes/baghira/baghira.desc: * Updated baghira (0.6a --> 0.6e)
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18:00 < valentin> cu later
18:09 < rxr> re
18:12 < mnemoc> re
18:12 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - good to see you still alive ,-)
18:12 < mnemoc> :)
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18:36 < rxr> pentium mmx linux kernel 2.6.11.8-skas3 hang
18:36 < mnemoc> oh
18:36 < rxr> before decompressing
18:36 < mnemoc> o_O
18:36 < rxr> just google keywords ...
18:37 < rxr> I review if the skas patch is to be blame
18:37 < mnemoc> pkgsel "- uml_tools"
18:37 < rxr> already did ,-)
18:38 < mnemoc> :)
18:38 < rxr> or do you add more google meta tags? *g*
18:38 < mnemoc> nah
18:38 < mnemoc> uml_utilities anyway :p
18:38 < rxr> yep - ack
18:39 * daja77 proudly announces that i just convinced someone that chile is not in africa ^^
18:39 < mnemoc> :D
18:46 < CIA-10> amery * r8739 /branches/2.1/package/audio/flac/flac.desc: * merged 8726 from trunk: removed Niklaus Filus as flac maintainer, gone years ago.
18:48 < rxr> did not seem to be skas patch ...
18:50 < mnemoc> http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/
18:52 < rxr> crazzy
18:53 < rxr> even runs in konqueror !!!
18:53 < mnemoc> :D
18:56 < rxr> is it really HTML only ?!?!
19:14 < rxr> Enable seccomp to safely compute untrusted bytecode (SECCOMP) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
19:14 < rxr> ?
19:19 < _Ragnar__> moin
19:21 < rxr> moin _Ragnar__
19:21 < _Ragnar__> hey :) how's it going?
19:24 < rxr> beside that my livecd's kernel does for some yet unknown reason not boot on my test pentium mmx2
19:25 < _Ragnar__> ooops
19:27 < rxr> -2 ...
19:27 < rxr> ,-)
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19:54 < minto> hi all
19:54 < rxr> hi minto
19:55 * rxr just overformated an 1.44" disk to 1.6xx MB ..
19:55 < rxr> to get a kernel onto it ... :-(
19:55 < minto> mnemoc: Unfortunately I have not finished the java base stuff.
19:56 < minto> It might even take me a while. I can only the sitting behind the computer a few minutes.
19:56 < mnemoc> re
19:56 < mnemoc> minto: do you have WIP?
19:56 < minto> Yesterday I hurt my back. I don't know what it is called in english but it hurts like hell.
19:58 < mnemoc> oh
19:58 < mnemoc> how much rest?
19:58 < minto> I have something that does not work.
19:58 < rxr> wow
19:59 < rxr> just to let the kernel tell me:
19:59 < rxr> Direct booting from floppy is no longer supported.
19:59 < minto> I also have an fix for apache ant
19:59 < rxr> Please use a boot loader program instead . . .
20:00 < mnemoc> 2005-05-09_18:00:24.44849 kern.err: BUG: using smp_processor_id() in preemptible [00000001] code: X/2524
20:00 < mnemoc> 2005-05-09_18:00:24.44850 kern.warn: caller is nv_lock_rm+0x11/0x4e [nvidia]
20:00 < mnemoc> 2005-05-09_18:00:24.44851 kern.warn: [] smp_processor_id+0x7b/0x8c
20:00 < mnemoc> i get lot of those since my last kernel update :|
20:01 < CIA-10> msluis * r8740 /trunk/package/java/apache-ant/apache-ant.conf: * Added forgotten set-confopt to apache-ant
20:02 < minto> Gotta lay down now. cu tomorrow (I Hope).
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20:04 < rxr> cu min
20:04 < rxr> to
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:16 < CIA-10> amery * r8741 /branches/2.1/package/java/apache-ant/ (apache-ant.conf apache-ant.desc): * merged 8664,8740 from trunk: updated apache ant (1.6.2 -> 1.6.3), and added missing set_confopt
20:23 < CIA-10> amery * r8742 /branches/2.1/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * merged 8733 from trunk: updated postgresql (8.0.1 -> 8.0.2)
20:24 < CIA-10> amery * r8743 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * merged 8737 from trunk: updated gimp (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
20:29 < CIA-10> amery * r8744 /trunk/package/java/classpath/workaround-bug-21418.patch: * worked-around classpath to build with buggy gcj (http://gcc.gnu.org/PR21418)
20:44 < CIA-10> amery * r8745 /branches/2.1/package/java/classpath/ (classpath.desc workaround-bug-21418.patch): merged 8668,8744 from trunk: updated gnu classpath (0.14 -> 0.15) and patched to build with buggy gcj
20:50 < CIA-10> amery * r8746 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/asymptote/ (asymptote.cache asymptote.desc): * merged 8647 from trunk: updated asymptote (0.75 -> 0.76)
20:52 < CIA-10> amery * r8747 /trunk/package/network/acx100/postlinux.conf: * fixed acx100 to really install the modules
20:56 < CIA-10> amery * r8748 /trunk/package/network/acx100/ (acx100.desc linux-2.6.11.patch): * updated acx100 (0.2.0pre8-45 -> 0.2.0pre8-56)
20:57 < rxr> oh
20:57 < mnemoc> oh 8747?
20:57 < mnemoc> or oh commits?
20:57 < rxr> the later
20:57 < mnemoc> :)
20:58 < mnemoc> i have a class... bbl
21:05 < rxr> cu
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21:25 < rxr> hi veki
21:25 < veki> hi
21:26 < veki> how are you doing
21:27 < veki> i see you were very busy alst night and you have done a lot
21:27 < rxr> I think my kernel was overoptimized due to ccaceh collision - due to runnign a ppro build recently ... :-)(
21:27 * rxr will c later
21:27 < rxr> cu then /me shortly away
21:29 < veki> cu
21:30 < valentin> re
21:31 < valentin> oh ! what is this html lemmings ? how does it work ??
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22:49 < rxr> valentin: hi
22:49 < rxr> valentin: if you have details to the html lemmings impl. let me know ...
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23:12 < valentin> hi rxr
23:12 < valentin> it is no java or flash ...
23:12 < valentin> but i do not have the time to investigate it right now
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23:28 < valentin> bbl
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00:00 < mnemoc_> a -local $url option to Download can be very useful
00:04 < rxr> doing what ?
00:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: when to got to the press with the live cd - when it works mostly (in 2 days or so)
00:08 < rxr> or when it is perfect with full d-bus and hal integration, install option, permanent data storage partition selection and so on ?
00:08 < rxr> that is in 2 weeks or so ?=
00:09 < mnemoc_> downloading from a mirror of non-mirrorable stuff
00:09 < rxr> btw you mention you missed lspci - you tested the first live-cd ?
00:10 < mnemoc_> v3, yes
00:12 < rxr> and - all fine ?
00:12 < rxr> in qemu or real hardware ?
00:12 < mnemoc_> an error about DIRCOLORS but everything looks ok
00:12 < mnemoc_> real hardware
00:12 < rxr> yes that was known ...
00:12 < rxr> due to only dumping a bit of my life system into it ,-)
00:13 < rxr> right now I wonder why the h*ll the udev permissions are not applied ...
00:18 < valentin> someone knows a good global available nameserver ?
00:18 < valentin> there were some from netscape or yahoo or so ...
00:19 < rxr> why?
00:19 < rxr> as example in the frontend ?
00:19 < valentin> just to fill something in initialy when a new manual config is created
00:19 < rxr> hm
00:19 < valentin> i could use something stupid like 127.0.0.1
00:19 < rxr> no - then 192.168.1.1 or so ...
00:19 < valentin> but it is nice to have one that is always working for sure
00:19 < valentin> ok
00:20 < rxr> give google a try - maybe there are global nameserver ..
00:20 < rxr> however we could also perconfigure a ns cache locally using the root nameserver ... ,-)
00:20 < valentin> i always used global nameservers (imo netscapre) in the past
00:20 < rxr> or you find a good global one
00:20 < rxr> I never did ,-)
00:20 < rxr> the telco ones - or the uni one ...
00:21 < valentin> since i have my dsl i use a mix from qsc and my univ.
00:21 < valentin> back in my old analogue time i used the netscape one
00:21 < valentin> because this did not change every two weeks and provider
00:22 < valentin> yes - i know peerdns stuff :)
00:22 < rxr> at that time PPP was not able to parse the peer fields ...
00:22 < rxr> this is a new feature since 1 or 2 years or so ...
00:24 < valentin> yes
00:25 < valentin> even t-online changed their nameservers from time to time
00:28 < rxr> and - did google retun some global nameserver ?
00:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: your ppp profile is incomplete - where is the password option ? ,)
00:28 < valentin> did not search, just took the 192 .... one now
00:29 < mnemoc_> valentin: on /etc/ppp/pap-secrets where it belongs
00:30 < valentin> :(
00:30 < mnemoc_> :)
00:31 < mnemoc_> i don't want to have my /etc/conf/network 600
00:31 < mnemoc_> but i dont awant to expose my password neither
00:31 < valentin> what widget would you propose for netmask bits ? textfield, spin button or a simple drop down with a set of standart nmb's like 24,16,8,0 ?
00:31 < valentin> i would take a spin button
00:31 < valentin> mnemoc_: sissi...
00:32 < mnemoc_> [0-3][0-9]?
00:32 < rxr> valentin: kde has a special widget for it IIRC
00:32 < valentin> huh ?
00:32 < mnemoc_> .oO( sissi? )o
00:32 < valentin> did not find that
00:32 < rxr> what has OS X?
00:32 < rxr> I think four fields, right ?
00:32 < valentin> old style netmask field
00:32 < valentin> iirc
00:33 < mnemoc_> valentin: what sissi means?
00:34 < valentin> milksop, softy ,)
00:34 < valentin> you fear someone will take your password ....
00:34 < mnemoc_> hehe
00:34 < valentin> netmask field ?
00:36 < mnemoc_> just a fifth field after an / :)
00:37 < valentin> yeah - but this looks ugly when there are two other ip fields below without the netmask thing
00:39 < rxr> I think the new /bits syntax is too unknown to users ...
00:39 < rxr> maybe leave the old syntax in the frontend for now ...
00:41 < valentin> so i.e use another ip widget for that ?
00:42 < valentin> and how can i convert netmask into bits if some moron enters something not (2^32 - 1) - (2^nmb - 1) ?
00:42 < rxr> I do not know qt enough ...
00:42 < rxr> slap him ...
00:42 < valentin> rxr: this has nothing to do with qt
00:42 < rxr> either error or just count to the first not set bit
00:43 < valentin> rxr: ok :)
00:43 < valentin> if someone enteres something different i will pop up a window with the kde dragon to scare him away :)
00:44 < valentin> i just test how my spinbox thing looks before, because i already implemented that during the discussion
00:45 < valentin> uagh - looks ugly :)
00:45 < rxr> haha
00:46 < rxr> one needs a credit card for iTunes - even in Germany ...
00:46 < rxr> goodbye iTunes - click
00:46 < rxr> who the hell wants a credit card !?!?!
00:46 < valentin> everyone outside eu ?
00:48 < valentin> i'll eat a tangerine now, and because that may be a bit messy, i will not anwer your questions for some minutes...
00:48 < rxr> valentin: that is the _german_ iTunes store ..
00:48 < rxr> not the US one I wanted to sign in ...
00:49 < rxr> at least I do not need to frickle the songs out of OS suX now ...
00:52 < rxr> I hope my athlon does not start to feel boring ...
00:52 < rxr> only shuffling livecd's together since days ...
00:54 < valentin> why is there still the drock-user list ?
00:54 < rxr> because the sourceforge people suck
00:54 < valentin> sourceforge sucks
00:54 < valentin> :)
00:54 < valentin> same thought in the same second
00:55 < rxr> I already mailed them several times to remove both drock and gsmp
00:55 < rxr> but they simple don't do it ..
00:55 < rxr> I just added it to the service tracker of them some weeks ago ...
00:55 < rxr> but - welll - what should I say - they suck so much I have seldom see someone sucking ..
00:56 < rxr> I have no idea - what I should do ...
00:56 < rxr> one can not remove project - to do so you have to add a request to the service thing there ...
00:58 < valentin> rxr: nuke them
00:58 < valentin> or sue them
00:58 < rxr> Natalie Imbruglia
00:58 < rxr> there is a new CD from her - I can't believe this ...
00:58 < valentin> thats a good idea - send Natalie over there
00:58 < rxr> just noticed on http://www.musicload.de
00:59 < rxr> why the h*ll is the no music service one can use ...
00:59 < rxr> either kredit card or unacceptable download formats ...
00:59 < valentin> donkey ?
00:59 < rxr> or whatever crap ...
00:59 < rxr> damn #
01:01 < rxr> Qualit?t: WMA-File
01:01 < rxr> 128 kbit/s
01:01 < rxr> that must be a joke - really ...
01:01 < rxr> who pays - let me check -
01:01 < rxr> 1,59 EUR per sonf for such a crappy WMA shit ??!?!
01:01 < rxr> guess t-offline users ...
01:01 < rxr> and windows junies ...
01:04 < rxr> ok - well - there are also those strange people and kids investing in ring tones for the cell ...
01:16 < rxr> Mp3shop4you verkauft Dateien im MP3-Format mit 192 kBit/s zu einem Festpreis von 79 Cent pro Titel zuz?glich Mehrwertssteuer. Bezahlt wird via Paypal oder auf Rechnung -- bei letzterer Variante f?llt die Mehrwertssteuer ?berraschenderweise unter den Tisch und wird mit 0 Euro berechnet. Bei Download-Stichproben von heise online konnten die Dateien trotz der hohen Bitrate klanglich nicht ?berzeugen.
01:17 < rxr> Unknown host www.mp3shop4you.de
01:17 < rxr> aha
01:19 < valentin> try .com
01:20 < rxr> domaingrabber
01:20 < valentin> yes :/
01:20 < rxr> seems this dubious company went bankrupt ...
01:28 < rxr> http://shopbase.finetunes.net/
01:28 < rxr> fedora core test page - lol
01:29 < rxr> http://shopbase.finetunes.net/shopserver/ActionServlet
01:29 < rxr> is the show - what is redirected to from www.
01:32 < Veki> I have to sleep, but i will awake early in teh morning again. I am glad that you are doing rather well
01:33 < rxr> gn8 Veki cu in the morning then ,-)
01:33 < Veki> cu, thanx
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01:36 < rxr> ok - me moving into bed and only come back to test the first bruned live cd in the K6-2 233 box or what it is ,-)
01:37 < valentin> i wonder if my hacked netmask works now
01:38 < valentin> rxr: squashfs again ?
02:02 < rxr> no - waiting for the lousy iBook CD writer to burn my CD-RW at 4x ...
02:02 < rxr> damn - does not boot
02:02 < rxr> but the kernel does not come up - maybe the kernel I implanted is optmized too high ...
02:03 < rxr> I test on my athlon - reboot - cu
02:08 < mnemoc_> cu rxr
02:10 < valentin> i will fall asleep soon, too ...
02:10 < valentin> the question is: shall i coffee or get up a bit earlier tomorow ?
02:11 < mnemoc_> can you get up early and be productive?
02:11 < valentin> HAHAHAHA http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/08/2030216
02:12 < valentin> too bad the blog with the screenshot seems to be slashdotted ...
02:13 < valentin> mnemoc_: good question
02:13 < valentin> sometimes i managed to work in the early morning when i was under extremly high preassure
02:16 < valentin> ah - there is a netmirror
02:16 < valentin> this red looks very hostile
02:17 < valentin> and those very informative messages like "an error occured"
02:18 < mnemoc_> :D
02:20 < rxr> h,m
02:20 < rxr> hm even
02:20 < rxr> on the athlon it boots
02:20 < rxr> but it includes a bug I already fixed
02:20 < rxr> must have forgotten to run mkinitramfs again ... :-()
02:21 < rxr> valentin: sleep on need ..
02:21 < rxr> we will not have a cd until evening anyway ...
02:21 < rxr> and I need to find out why KDE gives IPC errors when running as live user
02:21 < rxr> maybe udev permission of s.th. in /dev ...
02:21 < rxr> I'll track tomorrow
02:22 < valentin> .oO
02:22 < mnemoc_> gn8 rxr
02:22 < valentin> rxr: i can implement a RSOD
02:22 < mnemoc_> LOL
02:22 < rxr> valentin: and I kick you ...
02:23 < rxr> better implement a userspace "screeon of boot" .-)
02:23 < rxr> "They also fail to mention the 3rd kind of failiure: the purple screen of death. Happens when longhorn bsods and rsods at the same time. psod is part of microsoft's new "quantum crash" technology, which is another added feature to longhorn."
02:23 < rxr> n8 all
02:25 < valentin> hehe
02:25 < valentin> gn8 rxr
02:25 < valentin> mnemoc_: i think i will leave you, too
02:26 < valentin> before my brain starts to {B,R}SOD
02:27 < valentin> gn8 all
02:35 < mnemoc_> valentin: gn8
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10:36 < mnemoc> .oO( where is everybody this morning? )o
10:42 < daja77> sleeping
10:46 < mnemoc> :)
10:46 < mnemoc> i should be doing that also
10:47 < daja77> :)
10:49 < mnemoc> i take tje bus to univ in 1:20h... doesn't make much sense to go to sleep :\
10:50 < daja77> :/
10:59 < valentin> moin
11:00 < valentin> mnemoc: you are mad ...
11:00 < mnemoc> hi valentin
11:00 < mnemoc> why?
11:00 < valentin> because you stay up all night ...
11:01 < mnemoc> how many times have you stay awake until 5am?
11:01 < mnemoc> i would say "quite often" :)
11:03 < mnemoc> the only problem is that i will be sleep on the exams i have today :'(
11:03 < valentin> mnemoc: but not when i have to work the morning after
11:03 < valentin> you have exams today ?
11:03 < valentin> .oO
11:03 < rxr> re
11:03 < mnemoc> hi rxr
11:04 < rxr> hi mnemoc
11:05 < rxr> mnemoc: I wish you luck ans success for your exames
11:05 < valentin> hi rxr
11:05 < mnemoc> i have 4 documents to deliver today, one control and 2 exams :(
11:06 < valentin> so you worked the whole night ?
11:06 < mnemoc> aa... and a java homework for "concurrent programming"
11:06 < rxr> me booting into live again ...
11:06 < rxr> cu soon
11:06 < rxr> .oO(poor mnemoc)
11:06 < mnemoc> on the damn documents :(
11:07 < mnemoc> i have to learn java before doing the homework :\
11:09 < mnemoc> rxr: will your livecd thing be appliable to different targets? or just on target?
11:13 < mnemoc> i was asked about a frontier firewall solution on livecd (firewall+router+dmz+vpn+web interface)
11:14 < valentin> mnemoc: of course you can take the technology and alter some package selection / configs
11:14 < mnemoc> ok, so 'just one target'
11:15 < rxr> re
11:15 < rxr> cool - livecd now works - good that I slept - it has just been the /tmp permissiosn ...
11:16 < rxr> mnemoc: the implementation details can of course be discussed, changed and tweaked
11:16 < rxr> for now it is a tartetr
11:16 < rxr> target even
11:16 < mnemoc> :)
11:19 < mnemoc> i'll wait for you 'release' before going deep on that
11:25 < CIA-10> rene * r8731 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init:
11:25 < CIA-10> * made sure /dev/pts is created, such as /dev/shm previously, e.g.
11:25 < CIA-10> for u/dev systems ...
11:54 < rxr> ok - boot straight into kde now:
11:54 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-live.png
11:55 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-live-alpha.iso
12:00 < rxr> valentin: we need a graphical language, keymapping and timezone chooser ...
12:00 < rxr> :-)
12:00 * rxr shower and getting breakfast ...
12:01 < rxr> valentin: do you want to downloa first, or should I push it to the uni first?
12:01 < rxr> I think the later, yep?
12:04 < rxr> 18.0KB/s 8:08:21 ETA
12:04 < rxr> transfer to UNI ...
12:05 < rxr> 19.2KB/s 7:39:00 ETA
12:05 < rxr> we'll see /me shortly away
12:05 < valentin> ok
12:05 < valentin> cu rxr
12:06 < valentin> rxr: there is the kde wizzard ...
12:14 < rxr> hm - ok, indeed
12:14 < rxr> I need to check that out ...
12:14 < rxr> valentin: maybe we could meet this evening? for a bof ?
12:14 < rxr> are you in the uni today?
12:20 < valentin> yes, but i will hack my netconf
12:20 < valentin> i meet with K's family at 19:00 in a Restaurant in Britz
12:21 < valentin> i could come over after that
12:37 < rxr> hm - not too late susan will be here, so it would be a bit rude to hang out until late when we need to get up early around 6 in the morning ...
12:37 * rxr bakery - finally - after the usual Avision PR pushing phonecalls ...
12:47 < rxr> quite dark clouds on the sky ...
12:47 < rxr> 10? ...
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12:52 < jeru> moin
12:57 < rxr> moin jeru
12:59 < jeru> rxr: how do we handle the [M] flags for "unmaintained" packages ?
13:01 < jeru> rxr: should we wipe out all the rock related package maintainers? e.g. if we upgrade a package
13:02 < valentin> moin jeru
13:02 < valentin> 10 what ?
13:03 < jeru> moin valentin ... how about helicopters today ? ;)
13:11 < valentin> seen none yey
13:11 < valentin> yet
13:13 < jeru> have anyone still tested this bacula backup system which was described in the current linux-magazin ?
13:13 < jeru> looks quite interesting for my machines at work
13:14 < jeru> to replace my hand made backup scripts
13:18 < valentin> someone was here a while ago who told sth about backula
13:18 < valentin> cu later
13:18 < jeru> cu valentin
13:22 < rxr> re
13:24 < rxr> 20.9KB/s 5:42:39 ETA
13:28 < jeru> just a note: I will update heimdal, postgresql, bacula soon
13:40 < rxr> valentin: I phoned our contractor - are you reachable via phone ?
14:21 < valentin> re
14:21 < valentin> my ibook crashed on wakeup
14:21 < valentin> first time since using 2.6
14:21 < valentin> rxr: i'll call you in some minutes
14:31 < rxr> at least pdksh allows ${x%blubs} and ${x#bla}
14:33 < CIA-10> chris * r8732 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/heimdal.desc: * updated heimdal (0.6.3 -> 0.6.4)
14:34 < CIA-10> chris * r8733 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * updated postgresql (8.0.1 -> 8.0.2)
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14:40 < rxr> jeru: btw. do you already use T2 @ work ?
14:40 < jeru> rxr: yep ... but psssssst ;)
14:41 < jeru> rxr: I've a network monitoring system based on T2 (you remember nagios was one of my first packages I commited ;)
14:42 < rxr> yep - I just was curious if you already run it in production @work - so psst ,-)
14:42 < rxr> this tiny shells drive me crazzy ...
14:43 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... I agree one has to be a bit careful using it in production ;)
14:43 < rxr> what do you mean ?
14:44 < jeru> because my first installation are based from trunk and a lot has changed
14:44 < jeru> but no problems so far
14:44 < rxr> good ,-)
14:45 < rxr> ah - cool ,-) /me found a way to teach pdksh what doto do
14:47 < jeru> rxr: before I'll leave work today I'll start a T2 "stable" build for trouble ticket system @ work ...
14:49 < jeru> but I'm not quite sure if I should offer my technical director to using T2 for custom installations and droping debian
14:50 < rxr> of course ,-)
14:51 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... but he's debian adicted ...
14:51 < rxr> debian? was this this no-name project managing even less stable releases than we do *g* ?
14:52 < jeru> hehe :)
14:52 < rxr> 2.2 and initram u/dev will rock majorly
14:52 < rxr> with the livecd based install as desktop target I think it should become a major success
14:53 < jeru> rxr: full ack :)
14:54 < jeru> rxr: because they want to enter the security market they should create a new department for custom security solutions
14:54 < rxr> your company wants to enter ?
14:55 < jeru> .oO( based on T2 of course )o
14:55 < jeru> but I'll need a smart way for doing binary updates
14:56 < rxr> compressed xdeltas
14:56 < jeru> rxr: can you tell me more about ?
14:56 < jeru> or give me some links ?
14:57 < rxr> if you have ram to spare use unionfs to overlay - otherwise atomic updates are problematic
14:57 < rxr> jeru: hm - no links - just ideas ,-)
14:57 < jeru> delta images from tar balls ?
14:57 < rxr> binary deltas of the installed filesystem content
14:57 < jeru> oh!
14:58 < jeru> indeed that would be nice ... I remember your ideas regarding your partition layout for the embedded router :)
15:13 < rxr> it is a bit annoying that the grub cd does not boot on my old k62 :-( ...
15:24 < CIA-10> chris * r8734 /trunk/package/network/bacula/ (bacula.conf bacula.desc):
15:24 < CIA-10> * updated bacula (1.33.3-16Feb04 -> 1.36.3)
15:24 < CIA-10> * added bacula.conf
15:24 < CIA-10> * changed [S] (Beta -> Stable)
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15:52 < keinek> hi
15:56 < jeru> hi keinek
16:00 < mnemoc> hi
16:01 < valentin> i have to review a "jugend forscht" work
16:01 < mnemoc> O.O
16:02 < valentin> == researching youth
16:02 < mnemoc> thanks :)
16:02 < valentin> a science contest for pupils and young studends
16:02 < valentin> i have a work from a guy ho participated int mathematics/comp.science
16:02 < valentin> and he mistook the topic for "programming youth"
16:03 < valentin> he implemented a win32 p2p chat program
16:03 < mnemoc> using a known rpc or his own'
16:03 < valentin> maybe this was a lot of work for a 16 year old, but this has nothing todo with science
16:03 < mnemoc> ?
16:03 < valentin> his own
16:04 < valentin> though he uses many .net libs vor visualisation and stuff
16:04 < mnemoc> ic
16:04 < valentin> he has its own p2p routing protocol but he looses no word about that in the work
16:04 < valentin> he just counts the endless list of features his tool has
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16:05 < valentin> but the only interessting thing in a c.sci. context would be the routing
16:05 < valentin> so i cannot give many points for that
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16:09 < jeru> hi mnemoc
16:16 < mnemoc> hi jeru
16:16 < valentin> ok, he talks about the protocol, but it is not too sophisticated
16:16 < mnemoc> jeru: [028] - IssueTrackerProduct 0.6.7
16:16 < jeru> mnemoc: have you tried it ?
16:16 < mnemoc> valentin: how is it centralized?
16:17 < mnemoc> jeru: no
16:17 < mnemoc> jeru: i'm waiting for you :)
16:17 < jeru> mnemoc: I'm sorry ... I'd like to have more hours per day ... as you too
16:18 < mnemoc> jeru: yep :|
16:18 < jeru> mnemoc: how long do plan to be here in the channel
16:18 < mnemoc> 1h
16:19 < valentin> mnemoc: you use a central server that connects you to a queried user, after that the clients exchange their routing tables
16:19 < mnemoc> but i'm not sure if i'll have class
16:19 < valentin> the stupid thing: all packages use the routing network between the nodes
16:19 < jeru> have to move home now ... so I guess I'll see you later.
16:19 < valentin> so it is not even real p2p
16:19 < mnemoc> jeru: cu
16:19 < valentin> they should just exchange ip addresses
16:20 < jeru> ok ... cu later folks :)
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16:20 < mnemoc> valentin: he has only 16 :)
16:24 < valentin> mnemoc: i do not doubt that it was a big amount of work and i am sure he had to learn very much about the .net components and libs he uses
16:24 < valentin> but i have a list of criteria here that do not apply to this work
16:25 < mnemoc> ack, he is not creating anything
16:25 < valentin> and there is no explanation about advantages that his routing has
16:25 < rxr_> damn - grub is not working correctly on the good old K6 II @ 233
16:25 < rxr_> hanging strangely ...
16:25 < rxr_> damn
16:25 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:26 < valentin> i only see disadvantages, namely packages are send over many clients until they reach their destination
16:26 < mnemoc> rxr: last or previous?
16:26 < rxr> both
16:26 < rxr> from CD that is ...
16:27 < rxr> the CD boots fie in qemu, and susan's as well as mine athlon ..
16:27 < rxr> and yours, too ..
16:27 < rxr> damn x86 crap where each box has other defects ..
16:27 < valentin> hm
16:27 < mnemoc> .oO( was that grub? )o
16:30 < valentin> ugh - this guy participated every year since 2000
16:30 < valentin> and he won first prices for the more uninteressting works
16:30 < rxr> ?
16:31 < mnemoc> 2000 - 16 years.... since 11??
16:31 < valentin> yes
16:32 < valentin> i understand why he won prices in 2000
16:32 < valentin> but he won the first price for a flash-visitor counter in 2003 what i consider rather trivial
16:33 < valentin> and the work he send in this year is a new version of a programm he send in last year
16:34 < CIA-10> amery * r8735 /trunk/package/network/rdesktop/rdesktop.desc: * updated rdesktop (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
16:34 < valentin> he is for sure a quite talented programmer, but as i said before this does not count
16:34 < CIA-10> amery * r8736 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.15 -> 0.5.16)
16:38 < rxr> valentin: since when do you review this jugend forscht crap, where people win with accumulator memory effect analyses that are long know ?
16:38 < rxr> +n
16:39 < valentin> since today
16:39 < CIA-10> amery * r8737 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
16:39 < rxr> you have jobs ...
16:39 < valentin> i did not want to, though
16:39 < valentin> yes
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17:07 < CIA-10> lars * r8738 /trunk/package/themes/baghira/baghira.desc: * Updated baghira (0.6a --> 0.6e)
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18:00 < valentin> cu later
18:09 < rxr> re
18:12 < mnemoc> re
18:12 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - good to see you still alive ,-)
18:12 < mnemoc> :)
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18:36 < rxr> pentium mmx linux kernel 2.6.11.8-skas3 hang
18:36 < mnemoc> oh
18:36 < rxr> before decompressing
18:36 < mnemoc> o_O
18:36 < rxr> just google keywords ...
18:37 < rxr> I review if the skas patch is to be blame
18:37 < mnemoc> pkgsel "- uml_tools"
18:37 < rxr> already did ,-)
18:38 < mnemoc> :)
18:38 < rxr> or do you add more google meta tags? *g*
18:38 < mnemoc> nah
18:38 < mnemoc> uml_utilities anyway :p
18:38 < rxr> yep - ack
18:39 * daja77 proudly announces that i just convinced someone that chile is not in africa ^^
18:39 < mnemoc> :D
18:46 < CIA-10> amery * r8739 /branches/2.1/package/audio/flac/flac.desc: * merged 8726 from trunk: removed Niklaus Filus as flac maintainer, gone years ago.
18:48 < rxr> did not seem to be skas patch ...
18:50 < mnemoc> http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/
18:52 < rxr> crazzy
18:53 < rxr> even runs in konqueror !!!
18:53 < mnemoc> :D
18:56 < rxr> is it really HTML only ?!?!
19:14 < rxr> Enable seccomp to safely compute untrusted bytecode (SECCOMP) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
19:14 < rxr> ?
19:19 < _Ragnar__> moin
19:21 < rxr> moin _Ragnar__
19:21 < _Ragnar__> hey :) how's it going?
19:24 < rxr> beside that my livecd's kernel does for some yet unknown reason not boot on my test pentium mmx2
19:25 < _Ragnar__> ooops
19:27 < rxr> -2 ...
19:27 < rxr> ,-)
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19:54 < minto> hi all
19:54 < rxr> hi minto
19:55 * rxr just overformated an 1.44" disk to 1.6xx MB ..
19:55 < rxr> to get a kernel onto it ... :-(
19:55 < minto> mnemoc: Unfortunately I have not finished the java base stuff.
19:56 < minto> It might even take me a while. I can only the sitting behind the computer a few minutes.
19:56 < mnemoc> re
19:56 < mnemoc> minto: do you have WIP?
19:56 < minto> Yesterday I hurt my back. I don't know what it is called in english but it hurts like hell.
19:58 < mnemoc> oh
19:58 < mnemoc> how much rest?
19:58 < minto> I have something that does not work.
19:58 < rxr> wow
19:59 < rxr> just to let the kernel tell me:
19:59 < rxr> Direct booting from floppy is no longer supported.
19:59 < minto> I also have an fix for apache ant
19:59 < rxr> Please use a boot loader program instead . . .
20:00 < mnemoc> 2005-05-09_18:00:24.44849 kern.err: BUG: using smp_processor_id() in preemptible [00000001] code: X/2524
20:00 < mnemoc> 2005-05-09_18:00:24.44850 kern.warn: caller is nv_lock_rm+0x11/0x4e [nvidia]
20:00 < mnemoc> 2005-05-09_18:00:24.44851 kern.warn: [
20:00 < mnemoc> i get lot of those since my last kernel update :|
20:01 < CIA-10> msluis * r8740 /trunk/package/java/apache-ant/apache-ant.conf: * Added forgotten set-confopt to apache-ant
20:02 < minto> Gotta lay down now. cu tomorrow (I Hope).
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20:04 < rxr> cu min
20:04 < rxr> to
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:16 < CIA-10> amery * r8741 /branches/2.1/package/java/apache-ant/ (apache-ant.conf apache-ant.desc): * merged 8664,8740 from trunk: updated apache ant (1.6.2 -> 1.6.3), and added missing set_confopt
20:23 < CIA-10> amery * r8742 /branches/2.1/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * merged 8733 from trunk: updated postgresql (8.0.1 -> 8.0.2)
20:24 < CIA-10> amery * r8743 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * merged 8737 from trunk: updated gimp (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
20:29 < CIA-10> amery * r8744 /trunk/package/java/classpath/workaround-bug-21418.patch: * worked-around classpath to build with buggy gcj (http://gcc.gnu.org/PR21418)
20:44 < CIA-10> amery * r8745 /branches/2.1/package/java/classpath/ (classpath.desc workaround-bug-21418.patch): merged 8668,8744 from trunk: updated gnu classpath (0.14 -> 0.15) and patched to build with buggy gcj
20:50 < CIA-10> amery * r8746 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/asymptote/ (asymptote.cache asymptote.desc): * merged 8647 from trunk: updated asymptote (0.75 -> 0.76)
20:52 < CIA-10> amery * r8747 /trunk/package/network/acx100/postlinux.conf: * fixed acx100 to really install the modules
20:56 < CIA-10> amery * r8748 /trunk/package/network/acx100/ (acx100.desc linux-2.6.11.patch): * updated acx100 (0.2.0pre8-45 -> 0.2.0pre8-56)
20:57 < rxr> oh
20:57 < mnemoc> oh 8747?
20:57 < mnemoc> or oh commits?
20:57 < rxr> the later
20:57 < mnemoc> :)
20:58 < mnemoc> i have a class... bbl
21:05 < rxr> cu
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21:25 < rxr> hi veki
21:25 < veki> hi
21:26 < veki> how are you doing
21:27 < veki> i see you were very busy alst night and you have done a lot
21:27 < rxr> I think my kernel was overoptimized due to ccaceh collision - due to runnign a ppro build recently ... :-)(
21:27 * rxr will c later
21:27 < rxr> cu then /me shortly away
21:29 < veki> cu
21:30 < valentin> re
21:31 < valentin> oh ! what is this html lemmings ? how does it work ??
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22:49 < rxr> valentin: hi
22:49 < rxr> valentin: if you have details to the html lemmings impl. let me know ...
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23:12 < valentin> hi rxr
23:12 < valentin> it is no java or flash ...
23:12 < valentin> but i do not have the time to investigate it right now
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23:28 < valentin> bbl
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