T2 IRC Log: 2005-04-10

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--- Log opened Sun Apr 10 00:00:04 2005
00:04 < sepp> keinek: http://www.realsoftware.com/realbasic/vb6/index.php
00:07 < keinek> and did work?
00:07 < sepp> hmm dont know
00:08 < sepp> but you might want to check it ...
00:10 < sepp> sounds like you can switch to realbasic for free
00:10 < sepp> if you have ms v basic
00:11 < keinek> Mmmm i try
00:11 < keinek> but this web page dont work for me
00:11 < keinek> can you see that?
00:11 < sepp> http://www.realbasic.com/
00:11 < sepp> ?
00:12 < mnemoc> .com?
00:12 < sepp> yes
00:13 < keinek> Mmmm work
00:13 < mnemoc> isn't gambas mature?
00:13 < keinek> sound good
00:13 < keinek> but is comercial.
00:13 < sepp> seems to be free as in beer if you have ms vbasic
00:14 < sepp> keinek: maybe an alternative to win* in whatever emulator
00:14 < sepp> if the update / change is free ...
00:15 < sepp> ohh i did not know gambas
00:16 < keinek> i use visual basic only for my boss.
00:16 < keinek> now i want to learn pascal.
00:16 < keinek> do you like pascal?
00:16 < keinek> I found Freepascal.
00:16 < keinek> i have a book "the book" of pascal... 1000 pages :P
00:16 < sepp> please dont ask me about languages ;)
00:17 < sepp> i would start to bash most things
00:19 < keinek> Mmmm bash... i like bash
00:19 < keinek> i wanna learn more of bash too
00:19 < sepp> i mean to bash
00:19 < keinek> know...
00:19 < mnemoc> bash i easy
00:19 < mnemoc> is*
00:19 < keinek> ahhh
00:19 < keinek> jejeje
00:19 < keinek> know
00:20 < keinek> windows xp work better than windows 98 in qemu
00:20 < sepp> ahh no i already sit on my hands
00:20 < keinek> almost in the install
00:20 < keinek> Red-Handed Target is in stage 5 but now is for simple athlon.
00:20 < keinek> :)
00:21 < keinek> Red-Handed is like the nasa since T2 was come.
00:21 < keinek> :D
00:21 < sepp> i will not mention lisp/smalltalk
00:21 < sepp> ooops
00:22 < mnemoc> " windows xp work better than windows 98 in qemu" <--- uhm?
00:23 < keinek> yes... i think that the team prepare the last version for that
00:23 < keinek> is more stable.
00:26 < keinek> i will send all my roms of mame to gmail :P
00:26 < keinek> do you know some way to send all my mails that i have archive in thundermail to gmail?
00:31 < mnemoc> with IMAP is easy, but i doubt gmail gives IMAP
00:32 < sepp> gmail does not support imap?
00:32 < keinek> Does Gmail support IMAP?
00:32 < keinek> Does Gmail support IMAP? Answer, return to Help Center. Gmail doesn't
00:32 < keinek> currently support IMAP access. As part of our ongoing ...
00:32 < keinek> POP
00:33 < keinek> :'(
00:38 < mnemoc> maildir + gmailfs ?
00:42 < keinek> maildir?
00:46 < mnemoc> it's a form to keep your mails one-message-per-file
00:47 < mnemoc> then: cp -v * /mnt/gmail/ should work
00:48 < keinek> ok... but i dont want use gmailfs
00:49 < keinek> i want resend the mail, so after i can looking the mails and search from gmail.com
00:49 < keinek> :)
00:49 < keinek> mnemoc, do you know what is the plan of gmail?
00:49 < keinek> free for ever?
00:50 < keinek> i just to end the beta?
00:52 < mnemoc> no idea
00:52 < mnemoc> i don't use it
00:52 < mnemoc> and i wont
00:53 < keinek> why?
00:54 < mnemoc> i have my own and good-enough mail service
00:55 < keinek> ok... me too , or something like that, but i want use gmail only for archive.
00:55 < keinek> in every place i want to see my mail archive.
01:00 < keinek> hey guys i have one super NEWs!
01:00 < keinek> http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/
01:00 < sepp> n8 all
01:01 < keinek> free games!
01:01 < keinek> and legal.
01:01 < keinek> you can download that games!
01:01 < keinek> :)
01:01 < mnemoc> n8 sepp
01:01 < keinek> n8 = night?
01:01 < mnemoc> yep
01:01 < keinek> jejeje
01:01 < keinek> ok
01:02 < keinek> n8 sepp
01:02 < keinek> and dont touch you while speeling.
01:02 < keinek> well, now play this games in wine is legal.
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03:46 < mnemoc> re
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04:17 < CIA-9> amery * r8148 /trunk/misc/tail/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * cleaned misc/tail/install_*.in code
05:17 < CIA-9> amery * r8149 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 5 dirs): * moved vstserver and ladspa-vst to attic (and disabled) until anyone makes it build.
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07:40 < minto> moin
07:40 < mnemoc> hi minto
07:41 < minto> mnemoc: You are still up? What time is it over there? 7:30 in the morning over here.
07:41 < mnemoc> i have 1:42
07:45 < mnemoc> i think i'll go to sleep... i don't feel good
07:45 < mnemoc> cu minto
07:45 < minto> cu mnemoc, sleep well.
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08:02 < rxr> moin
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08:21 < rxr> hi jdavid__
08:21 * rxr breakfast ..
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08:47 < mnemoc> re
08:47 < mnemoc> where is jeru when i need him :(
08:47 < mnemoc> he sold me zope... he shall be here
08:54 < minto> mnemoc: are you still there? Don't forget to sleep.
08:54 < mnemoc> i was fighting a damn zope server
08:54 < mnemoc> jeru!!!!!
08:54 < mnemoc> :(
08:55 < minto> I think he is still sleeping
08:55 < mnemoc> can you please kick him in my name?
08:56 < mnemoc> he shall give 7x24 support for the stuff he sells
08:56 < mnemoc> damn :(
08:56 < minto> I have a small question for you. Is it possible to ask the group id/name added by another package?
08:56 < minto> Or should I use it hardcoded.
08:57 < mnemoc> currently you only can parse $base/package/*/$pkg/postsysfiles.in
08:58 < mnemoc> but using hardcoded username is not that bad
08:58 < minto> hmm, okay thanx
08:58 < mnemoc> i hope to solve that using .tail
08:58 < minto> When is that planned?
08:59 < mnemoc> 2004
08:59 < minto> :-)
09:00 < mnemoc> i'll add most .tail stuff into 2.1.x keeping compatibility, and on 2.2 removing compatibility
09:00 < mnemoc> but i have lot to design yet :\
09:00 < minto> I still with hardcoding for now
09:01 < mnemoc> yep
09:01 < mnemoc> jeru? no jeru around? ok.... i'll go to sleep
09:01 < minto> sleep well. And don't have zope nighmares.
09:01 < mnemoc> gn8
09:02 < mnemoc> i think i'll have
09:02 < mnemoc> :(
09:08 < rxr> moin mnemoc
09:09 < rxr> why not parse $root/etc/passwd ?
09:19 < minto> rxr: How do I know which group was added by apache httpd?
09:19 < rxr> I would hardcode that ,-)
09:19 < minto> I did.
09:20 < rxr> oh - I think I misread the scrollback ...
09:20 < rxr> sorry
09:20 < minto> I just wondered if there was something in place to prevent hardcoding.
10:04 < rxr> what this freebsd madness:
10:04 < rxr> t2@nexus$ which konsole
10:04 < rxr> /usr/local/bin/konsole
10:04 < rxr> t2@nexus$ which gnome-terminal
10:04 < rxr> /usr/X11R6/bin/gnome-terminal
10:06 < rxr> I think they patch gnome (glib and co) for the XDG path - since they do not export any ...
10:06 < rxr> $ set | grep XDG
10:06 < rxr> nothing
10:10 < CIA-9> rene * r8150 /trunk/architecture/ (share/kernel-fs.conf.m4 x86/kernel.conf.sh):
10:10 < CIA-9> * made NTFS, XFS and JFS modular
10:10 < CIA-9> * added SQUSHFS to be built in (when available)
10:12 < CIA-9> rene * r8151 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (5 files):
10:12 < CIA-9> * added automatic patching of squashfs (the new preferred compressed
10:12 < CIA-9> FS for CD, initrd, embedded, ... use)
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10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8152 /trunk/scripts/Build-Tools:
10:24 < CIA-9> * fixed Build-Tools to consider pkg_*.conf files for a tools rebuild
10:24 < CIA-9> (previously we ignored *.conf ...)
10:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8153 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (5 files):
10:26 < CIA-9> * removed debug set -x / +x from pkg_linux26_post.conf now that the
10:26 < CIA-9> patching is tested for linux24, linux26 and linux24-psionw
10:26 < CIA-9> * applied CopyPatch
10:27 < rxr> valentin: could you test the squashfs patching for linux26sh ?
10:28 < CIA-9> rene * r8154 /trunk/target/psion-pda/config.in:
10:28 < CIA-9> * added squashfs-tools to the psion-pda stage0 so the kernel is patched
10:28 < CIA-9> with squashfs
10:36 < sepp> moin
10:36 < rxr> moin sepp
10:36 < sepp> hello
10:38 < rxr> sepp: I think I fixed the olist generation to still merge the previous files into the flist
10:38 < rxr> until we re
10:38 < rxr> fixed all the packages to really insall files ...
10:38 < rxr> so we fix all the regressions while we still can monitor olists until t
10:38 < rxr> hey are fine ...
10:38 < sepp> i started a rebuild some h ago
10:38 < rxr> ouhm - seems I'm not used to the iBook keyboard anymore ...
10:39 < rxr> ouhm - I could do this tweak within 10 minutes or so ...
10:39 < rxr> so you do not get the olist related missing files ...
10:40 < sepp> i will check the new olists in 1 or 2 h
10:44 < sepp> the new olist things are in head already?
10:45 < rxr> nope - I could do this in some minutes ...
11:01 < rxr> 1567 packages in tree
11:06 < rxr> Searching for orphaned files ...
11:06 < rxr> Found 74 files for this package.
11:06 < rxr> Found 19 orphaned files for this package.
11:09 < CIA-9> rene * r8155 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
11:09 < CIA-9> * fixed regressions caused by olist generation, by merging the orphaned
11:09 < CIA-9> files into the flist for now (until we fixed all the regressions
11:09 < CIA-9> caused by packages not reinstalling files when they think they
11:09 < CIA-9> are up-to-date ...
11:22 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8156 /trunk/package/audio/eq-xmms/ (. eq-xmms.conf eq-xmms.desc): * added eq-xmms
11:25 < rxr> sepp: for update and adds there is a helper: misc/archive/Commit.sh that will prepare the log including version numbers for you ,-)
11:26 < sepp> ohh
11:27 < sepp> maybe you should add this to T2 SVN commit tutorial
11:27 < rxr> sepp: good idea ,-)
11:37 < rxr> added
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11:38 < jeru> moin
11:39 < sepp> moin jeru
11:39 < jeru> hi sepp :)
11:39 < rxr> hi jeru
11:40 < jeru> hi rxr :)
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12:25 < rxr> hi minto
12:35 < jeru> unfortunately my bdb build on mnemosyne failed. any ideas? (show me the guy who has updated bdb ;)
12:35 < jeru> g++ -c -I. -I../dist/.. -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -O ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/cxx_env.o
12:35 < jeru> ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp: In static member function `static void DbEnv::runtime_error(DbEnv*, const char*, int, int)':
12:35 < jeru> ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp:486: error: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable
12:35 < jeru> make: *** [cxx_env.lo] Error 1
12:35 < rxr> you bulid your gcc with CXX_LIMIT bla bla ROCK_CFG set
12:36 < rxr> that will disable exeption and run time type info globally
12:36 < jeru> uhm ?
12:36 < rxr> or - better not gcc - but just enabling the option will cuase this ...
12:36 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_LIMITCXX='0'
12:36 < rxr> you will have
12:37 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_LIMITCXX='1'
12:37 < rxr> I guess
12:37 < jeru> can i set/unset it via Config ?
12:37 < rxr> yep
12:37 < rxr> if the mnemo sein target forces it somewhere ...
12:38 < jeru> Config -> Disable exceptions and rtti in C++
12:38 < rxr> ack
12:39 < rxr> was it active ?
12:39 < jeru> ack ;)
12:39 < jeru> strange ... I can't imagine that it is set by default in mnemosyne
12:40 < jeru> perhaps an result from a 3am syndrom ;)
12:41 < rxr> limitting C++ is always a good idea - click ,-)
12:42 < jeru> rxr: thank you ;)
12:43 < rxr> jeru: no problem ,-)
12:44 < jeru> rxr: btw, your embedded stuff looks great :)
12:44 < rxr> where have you looked at ?
12:45 < jeru> rxr: minit, squashfs support and of course the nice little helper scripts ;)
12:46 < rxr> ,-)
12:46 < jeru> but have no time to migrate my bridgefw this weekend :)
12:46 < rxr> some time later we need real minit integration - maybe with runit ...
12:46 < rxr> currently minit carries this predefined set of minit defines around ...
12:47 < jeru> rxr: indeed :)
12:47 < rxr> (and only those I needed so far ,-)
12:48 < jeru> rxr: but I think you can remove mountall/params because your run script is a shell script
12:49 < rxr> ack
12:49 < CIA-9> rene * r8157 /trunk/package/base/minit/inits/mountall/params: * removed obsolete mimnit/inits/mountall/params (saves 6 Bytes ++)
12:49 < jeru> hehe :)
12:51 < jeru> rxr: regarding minit/runit integration. do you want to use TAIL format ?
12:52 < CIA-9> rene * r8158 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added metamail to the desktop target, I was told sylpheed needs it
12:52 < rxr> jeru: I still need to review it ...
12:52 < rxr> what does TAIL stand for ? (btw)
12:54 < jeru> rxr: for runit it's quite well, but I think we should integrate the possibility for setting file/directory permissions
12:54 < jeru> rxr: don't know. ask master mnemoc ;)
12:55 < rxr> Total Advanced Init Language ...
12:57 < jeru> rxr: I like the "Total" :)
12:58 < jeru> rxr: it should also be possible to define sth. like a superserver e.g. tcpsvd/udpsvd + parameters
12:59 < rxr> but then it will not stay Tiny but Adanvaed Init Language - but become some Total complex Advnaced Init Language ... *g*
13:00 < jeru> :)
13:00 < jeru> rxr: and don't forget the cron integration mnemoc would like to have ;)
13:01 < rxr> the what ?
13:01 < jeru> I think mnemoc wants to use TAIL also for cron
13:02 < rxr> Total Artificial Inteligence Language ,-)
13:02 < valentin> moin
13:02 < rxr> why is the O for overfeatured missing ,-)
13:02 < rxr> TOIL ?
13:02 < jeru> hehe :D
13:02 < rxr> valentin: moin ...
13:02 < jeru> moin valentin
13:02 < rxr> valentin: how are you ?
13:06 < valentin> quite good, thankx
13:06 < valentin> rxr: there is someone on the rock ml who came to rock because he googled for bootable rs6k cds
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13:07 < valentin> and he does not know how to boot it through firmware
13:07 < valentin> jeru: how is the CMS doing ?
13:08 < jeru> valentin: quite good ... will update my server in about 2h ;)
13:08 < rxr> valentin: point him to T2 ...
13:08 < rxr> on the T2 list I can tell him how to boot from within open firmware ..
13:08 < rxr> however only for some RS6k's ...
13:09 < rxr> depends what model he has ...
13:09 < jeru> valentin:have to backup all the things before
13:10 < valentin> Pressing '1' on POST CODE FF1 brings the OpenFirmware Menu
13:10 < valentin> Pressing '5' starts some kind of configuration stuff
13:10 < valentin> Pressing '8' starts the OpenFirmware console prompt (the 'Ok' prompt)
13:10 < valentin> So, I press '8' to bring up the menu and type the following to boot
13:10 < valentin> using the cd...
13:10 < valentin> boot cdrom /boot/ console=ttyS0,9600 console=tty0
13:10 < valentin> initrd=/boot/
13:12 < rxr> now after their scatted documention on the homepage and the ugly .net size they want to make it more complex and uninsightful and set up packages. and doc. ?
13:12 < rxr> oh my ...
13:13 < valentin> because doc and packages are blindcoders server
13:15 < jeru> btw.... do we prefer a special main color for the T2 website ?
13:15 < rxr> jeru: no idea
13:15 < rxr> valentin: delegate him to the t2 list I would say ...
13:15 < jeru> uhm ? rxr thought you were a "blue" one ;)
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13:16 < rxr> jeru: yeah - blue is nice ...
13:17 < jeru> anyway ... there will be the CSSManager ... so everybody can play around
13:17 < rxr> jeru: what system do you set up ?
13:17 < jeru> authenticated users of course
13:17 < jeru> rxr: Plone of course
13:19 < jeru> rxr: I'll place a T2 test instance on my server this evening ... so you can take a look
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13:20 < maddin> hi
13:20 < jeru> rxr: mnemoc an me thought you have to do better things than playing with a CMS ;)
13:21 < jeru> hi maddin
13:21 < rxr> yes - I have ...
13:21 < jeru> rxr: and anyway we've to improve our development platform
13:21 < rxr> hm - as long as I do not have to admister the zope based installation ...
13:22 < jeru> rxr: you don't have to
13:22 < maddin> hi jeru, rxr
13:22 < rxr> hi maddin
13:23 < jeru> rxr: I'm thinking of a system which you can keep in sync with a local copy and with several mirror servers
13:23 < rxr> jeru: what do you mean with development platform ?
13:23 < rxr> the internet presence ?
13:24 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... colaboration environment for T2 integrated in to the website
13:25 < jeru> rxr: e.g. a tracking system for bugs/solutions/feature requests etc
13:30 < rxr> jeru: some URL yet ?
13:31 < jeru> rxr: yeah .... http://localhost for now ... but as I said. In the evening there will be a T2 Plone Site on my server ;)
13:32 < rxr> hm - that URL does not bring anything in my browser ...
13:32 < jeru> hehe :)
13:32 < rxr> Could not connect to host localhost.
13:32 < rxr> jeru: ok - I wait a bit - I'll have to get
13:32 < rxr> grab s.th. for lunch anyway ...
13:32 < jeru> rxr: any special wishes regarding features ?
13:33 < rxr> nope ,-)
13:33 < jeru> oh !?! ;)
13:33 < rxr> oh ?
13:33 * jeru is wondering about rxr empty wish list ;)
13:34 < rxr> well - support to structure navigation in a way useable for the visitor and us specifing it ...
13:34 < rxr> and in some nice looking design - please ...
13:34 < rxr> like http://www.mozilla.org or so
13:35 < jeru> so you really wants to have ha drupal skin for Plone ,) ?
13:41 < rxr> hehe - no - not exactly a copy - just good looking - e.g. I do not really like the design of http://plone.org
13:43 < rxr> valentin: I started to implement 12bit scanning for mid age Avision scanner that do not yet support 16bit per channel - but more than 8 (12 that is ,-)
13:43 < rxr> but I export it as 16bit data true the SANE API - that is unpack it on the fly ...
13:44 < rxr> 12bit data is of no use for most applications I think
13:51 < rxr> I have the feeling 2.6.11 made my iBook way slower - valentin - what do you run on yours ?
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13:58 [ _Ragnar_] [ jeru ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
13:58 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
13:58 [ jdavid__] [ maddin] [ nzg ] [ sepp]
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14:14 < valentin> i am still on 2.6.10 :/
14:18 < rxr_> maybe it was due to ccache in use ..
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14:33 < valentin> what is slower ? compilation ?
14:33 < minto> hi *
14:34 < valentin> hi minto
14:34 * minto has to change Merlyn's diapers, Yuck
14:35 < minto> hi valentin, a few months and you will be doning the same.
14:36 < rxr> valentin: I mostly notice that compiles takes soo long ...
14:37 < valentin> did you take a look into config ? perhaps you compile with too many jobs enabled ? ,)
14:37 < valentin> minto: i am looking forward to ...
14:37 < rxr> nope just 2
14:37 < rxr> and in the past I even used 4 ...
14:37 < rxr> don't forget I have 640MB RAM ...
14:38 < rxr> when I say it is slower it is - not just a config thing ...
14:38 * minto is done
14:39 < valentin> 4 minutes... not bad
14:39 < minto> 18 months experience
14:40 < valentin> rxr: we could benchmark emerging the same program with the same config
14:48 < rxr> we already know your 900Mhz book is non linear faster compared to my 800Mhz one ...
14:48 < rxr> newer chipset or cache or whatever ...
14:56 < valentin> but it should not be half speed or so
15:01 < rxr> I could boot older kernel on need ...
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15:14 < keinek> hi
15:37 < rxr> hi keinek
15:39 < rxr> valentin: can you build gimp and tell me how long it took ?
15:49 < rxr> == 14:18:44 =[9]=> Building graphic/gimp [2.2.4 2.1.0-rc2].
15:59 < rxr> == 04/10/05 15:58:12 =[9]=> Finished building package gimp.
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16:05 < valentin> rxr: how many jobs ?
16:05 < valentin> with ccache ?
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16:12 < keinek> rxr
16:12 < keinek> http://www.rockstargames.com/classics
16:12 < keinek> games for free from rockstargames.
16:12 < keinek> :)
16:12 < keinek> meaby work with wine vanilla
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16:21 < keinek> hey guy what program use for the web page?
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16:31 < rxr> re
16:31 < rxr> keinek: what ?
16:35 < rxr> valentin: on my iBook i have some annoying regresion with my i/o core that will not reliable start scans for the AV610 ...
16:39 < keinek> yes
16:39 < keinek> rockstar gifs games.
16:39 < keinek> for free
16:39 < keinek> old games
16:39 < keinek> but ready for work with the new directx
16:40 < keinek> meaby work fine in wine.
16:49 < rxr> meaby is a game ?
16:50 < keinek> oh shit my english
16:50 < keinek> hahaha
16:50 < rxr> or maybe the work fine in wine ?
16:50 < keinek> yeah! maybe
16:50 < keinek> jejeje
16:50 < keinek> or perhaps
16:50 < rxr> aha ,-)
16:50 < keinek> ;)
16:51 < keinek> i know that sound bad
16:51 < keinek> thanks, English lesson 12
16:51 < keinek> :)
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17:13 < valentin> == 04/10/05 16:57:54 =[9]=> Aborted building package gimp.
17:13 < valentin> glibc record too old
17:13 < valentin> think i need to fake around it
17:13 < rxr> glibc ?
17:14 < valentin> !> pkgprefix: glib record is old, please rebuild
17:14 < rxr> ah - glib ...
17:14 < valentin> no idea why ?
17:14 < rxr> sure pkgprefix in use ..
17:14 < rxr> rebuild glib ,-)
17:15 < rxr> just that glibc != glib ...
17:17 < keinek> rxr in this week i will have www.t2-project.com.ar
17:18 < keinek> and will be a version of www.t2-project.org in spanish.
17:18 < rxr> keinek: nice ,-)
17:19 < keinek> I can represent to T2 in Argentina?
17:19 < rxr> sure - if you like to -> you are welcome!
17:20 < keinek> Everything that to say for my was well. Is a honor to me be near you.
17:20 < keinek> ;)
17:21 < sparc-kly> www.t2-project.com.ar :D
17:21 < keinek> some parts of the web were be in spanish other they direct to the web of the official project
17:21 < keinek> :)
17:22 < rxr> have you already registered it ?
17:22 < rxr> soon we will have a Content Management System where you could edit it in the same style ...
17:23 < rxr> maybe under ar.t2-project.org ...
17:23 < keinek> I loved to speak of T2, and if I am able I went to meetings and I represented here and I brought the questions that do not know to answer.
17:24 < keinek> That serious fantastic
17:24 < keinek> i only redirect the web page.
17:25 < keinek> then I created documentacion in spanish, already I have many notes
17:26 < keinek> yes rxr i registered it, in argentina is free.
17:26 < rxr> oh
17:26 < keinek> so if you change the name, i dont have problem to registered again another name.
17:26 < keinek> is easy and free.
17:27 < keinek> just must have desires
17:28 < keinek> T2 is the best project than I know on linux
17:31 < rxr> keinek: thanks 8-)
17:33 < minto> rxr: I just completed the installation part of mailman. Now I have to configure it properly. Actually I have to set up the web- and mailserver in regard to mailman. But I do not know how to add this to the mailman package.
17:36 < rxr> minto: maybe just install it and let the configuration to the administrator ?
17:38 < minto> Ack. Or the target (special purpose) could take care of it.
17:42 < rxr> yep
17:42 < minto> In that case I have a new package ready.
17:43 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8159 /trunk/package/audio/eq-xmms/slider.patch: * fixed a bug that crahes xmms/equ
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17:43 < rxr> minto: go, commit it ,-)
17:46 < minto> I will after I finish my dinner
17:51 < mnemoc> moin
17:51 < rxr> hi mnemoc !
17:51 < mnemoc> hi rxr
17:52 < minto> Hi mnemoc, I have not had time to kick jeru for you ;-)
17:52 < mnemoc> i solved my problem last night :)
17:53 < mnemoc> without vendor's help!
17:53 < minto> :-D
17:54 < mnemoc> stage-9 is a nightmare
17:54 < mnemoc> configure: error: evolution requires pilot-link to have working UTF-8 conversion routines
17:54 < mnemoc> Due to previous errors, no 9-evolution.log file!
17:54 < mnemoc> 'new dependencies' broke many packages
17:54 < rxr> uo
18:05 < CIA-9> msluis * r8160 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * New package
18:07 < mnemoc> uhm
18:07 < mnemoc> what was that?
18:08 < mnemoc> minto: your commit message is a bit poor
18:09 < rxr> minto: please add the package name you added.
18:09 < mnemoc> and version
18:09 < rxr> ./misc/archive/Commit.sh package/... can be a big help
18:09 < rxr> dito for updates ,-)
18:09 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8161 /trunk/package/network/valknut/ (. valknut.desc): * added valknut (0.3.7)
18:10 < mnemoc> :)
18:10 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8162 /trunk/package/network/dclib/ (. dclib.desc): * added dclib (0.3.7)
18:10 < mnemoc> rxr: mr. awk master, can you add version a [I] to add messages?
18:10 < mnemoc> version and [I
18:10 < mnemoc> ]
18:10 < mnemoc> err
18:11 < minto> Can I still change the message, if so how?
18:11 < mnemoc> nope, you cant
18:11 < mnemoc> + # Create the prefix directory if it does not already exist.
18:11 < mnemoc> + mkdir -p $root/$prefix
18:11 < mnemoc> ^--- wierd
18:12 < minto> This is just to be sure. Since its access rights need to be changed.
18:12 < mnemoc> and your 'varprefix' is wierd too
18:12 < rxr> minto: the prefix is garanteed to exist by the build system
18:12 < rxr> also $bindir, $sbindir, ... and all the others
18:13 < mnemoc> but is they are empty they get removed
18:13 < minto> is there something better for varprefix. If I don't give the corresponding confopt it will use I think usr/
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18:16 < mnemoc> [044] - XLOGO 0.9.13
18:16 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - ack
18:18 < rxr> funny - the only german song I heared on the french mp3 stream is nena's 99 red baloon song ...
18:19 < rxr> 99 luftballons
18:19 < rxr> one time even in english ... *g*
18:19 < rxr> that was a new experience ...
18:19 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you saw my olist regression stopper ?
18:20 < minto> I can remove the mkdir -p but what about the varprefix? Ah I found it $localstatedir, isn't it?
18:20 < rxr> minto: I have not yet looked at your commit ...
18:22 < rxr> minto: I can tweak the commit message on the server side ...
18:22 < minto> Make the commit message:
18:22 < minto> Added mailman package version 2.1.5
18:22 < minto> Is this better?
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18:24 < rxr> minto: the "official" version is:
18:24 < rxr> * added mailman (2.1.5)
18:24 < rxr> minto: try consulting misc/archive/Commit.sh
18:24 < minto> I remeber that for next time.
18:24 < rxr> minto: great ,-)
18:25 < rxr> not that it is a big problem - we just want to get them in some common style
18:25 < rxr> that is a pretty parsed version:
18:25 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
18:30 < valentin> rxr:
18:30 < valentin> == 17:26:13 =[9]=> Building graphic/gimp [2.2.4 2.1.0-rc2].
18:30 < valentin> == 04/10/05 18:15:05 =[9]=> Finished building package gimp.
18:30 < rxr> when was the start ?
18:30 < valentin> see above
18:30 < rxr> ic
18:30 < rxr> so 71 minutes ...
18:30 < rxr> ah - no me confused ...
18:31 < valentin> about 50 minutes
18:31 < rxr> 15:49 < rxr> == 14:18:44 =[9]=> Building graphic/gimp [2.2.4 2.1.0-rc2].
18:31 < rxr> 15:59 < rxr> == 04/10/05 15:58:12 =[9]=> Finished building package gimp.
18:31 < rxr> ...
18:32 < rxr> as I wrote we compare apple with oranges anyway ...
18:32 < valentin> 100 minutes
18:32 < valentin> that is twice as much as my time
18:32 < valentin> can't be chipset only
18:33 < rxr> that is indeed 2x ...
18:33 < rxr> mostly exactly ...
18:33 < rxr> valentin: what hgc
18:33 < rxr> gcc on your side ?
18:33 < rxr> 3.4 ... I hope ..
18:33 < rxr> I bulit for speed and you? size ?
18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_OPT='speed'
18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_ARCH='powerpc'
18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_POWERPC_ISA='powerpc'
18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_POWERPC_OPT='750'
18:34 < mnemoc> minto: yes, $localstatedir is the var/ thing, but tha stuff is generated (if you change prefix) _after_ setconfopt
18:35 < rxr> just chaing prefix is a nodo ...
18:37 < mnemoc> rxr: repo for LOGO?
18:38 < mnemoc> it is written in java btw
18:38 < mnemoc> keinek: http://xlogo.free.fr/index-en.html <--- this seems to be a package for you
18:39 < minto> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
18:39 < minto> I show up as (no author) :-(
18:39 < mnemoc> pff
18:40 < rxr> minto: I need to add your UID to the log pretifier ...
18:40 < rxr> mnemoc: emulator ?
18:40 < minto> It's not just me that show up like this.
18:40 < rxr> develop ?
18:41 < rxr> minto: I can imagine - sebastion, too
18:41 < mnemoc> i was pondering between those
18:41 < rxr> minto: I need to add the author == realname to the hash of the perl script ...
18:42 < minto> It's not really important to me. So take your time.
18:44 < rxr> ok - added
18:44 < rxr> I manually trigger the log parser ...
18:46 < rxr> minto: now you are in the list ,-)
18:46 < minto> Ouhhh nice, but still someone show up as no author (not me).
18:46 < sepp_> thats me
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18:48 < valentin> rxr: gcc (GCC) 3.4.3
18:49 < rxr> so
18:49 < rxr> Minto van der Sluis:
18:49 < rxr> r8160 * added mailman (2.1.5)
18:50 < rxr> sepp: I see you correctly listed
18:50 < rxr> sepp: the only (no ahuthor) is initial import revision 0 ...
18:50 < sepp> ohh it changes lately
18:51 < rxr> yes - I justa
18:51 < rxr> added your ID with mintos ...
18:51 < rxr> so /me soon off ...
18:51 < mnemoc> gcc updates after rc1 please
18:52 < rxr> there is no gcc update ...
18:52 < rxr> so /me away - cu maybe later or tomorrow ...
18:53 < valentin> cu rxr
18:58 < minto> cu rxr
19:01 < minto> mnemoc: I tried localstatedir but it is not yet created at configure time.
19:01 < keinek> mnemoc, thanks for the link, is only for java?
19:03 < mnemoc> minto: on .conf time, no, but on preconf it is
19:04 < mnemoc> minto: you can't touch builddir directly on .conf, you have to do that stuff on hooks
19:05 < mnemoc> keinek: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/ <--- this is on C
19:05 < keinek> thanks
19:05 < keinek> click
19:05 < mnemoc> keinek: i have xlogo added on my reference if you want to take the patch
19:05 < mnemoc> bbl
19:13 < minto> mnemoc: I now have:
19:13 < minto> var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-var-prefix=$localstatedir"
19:13 < minto> This gives an error with standard (no hooking) configure
19:13 < minto> checking permissions on //var/opt/mailman... configure: error:
19:13 < minto> ***** Installation directory //var/opt/mailman is not configured properly!
19:13 < minto> ***** Directory doesn't exist: //var/opt/mailman
19:13 < minto> Due to previous errors, no 5-mailman.log file!
19:15 < minto> I think I already solved it.
19:18 < mnemoc> re
19:18 < mnemoc> is // the problem?
19:20 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8163 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.4 -> 2.2.6)
19:29 < CIA-9> msluis * r8164 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/mailman.conf:
19:30 < minto> Now I used misc/archive/Commit.sh but I was not asked to a message.
19:31 < minto> s/to/for
19:31 < sepp> the script extracts vversions from new / updated packages
19:32 < mnemoc> minto: if he doesn't propose you a good message, answer no
19:32 < minto> You mean, to the Log ok? question.
19:32 < mnemoc> yep
19:33 < mnemoc> empty log, is not ok
19:34 < minto> I thought it was for checking the diff. Hmm, better luck next time.
19:34 < minto> diff != Log. My mistake, sorry!
19:35 < mnemoc> :)
19:35 < mnemoc> rene is who will hate you, not me :)
19:38 < minto> rxr: I made a mistake using the Commit script, could replace the commit message for r8164 to:
19:38 < minto> * remove manual prefix directory creation.
19:38 < minto> * uses localstatedir now.
19:38 < minto> I hope he reads this.
19:41 < mnemoc> minto: Commit.sh currently only support Adds and Updates, it is a quite dumb awk script.
19:47 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8165 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.2.5 -> 2.2.7)
19:58 < rxr> re
19:58 < rxr> mnemoc: dumb ???
19:58 < rxr> grummel ...
19:59 < rxr> either anything not starting with y - or Ctrl-C
19:59 < rxr> ,-)
20:01 < rxr> minto: log tweaked ...
20:07 < minto> Thanx
20:25 < CIA-9> msluis * r8166 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/ (mailman.conf mailman.desc postsysfiles.in): * Fixed copyrights, replaces exim -> mailman
21:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8167 /trunk/package/develop/swig/swig.conf: * modernized swig.conf
21:34 < CIA-9> rene * r8168 /trunk/package/develop/lua/ (. lua.cache lua.conf lua.desc): * added lua (5.0.2)
21:46 < minto> rxr: I want to add another package, jabberd. But I have some problems with the download location. How can I add the following download link to the .desc file? My straight forward approach did not work.
21:46 < minto> http://jabberstudio.org/projects/jabberd2/releases/download.php?file=jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz
21:47 < rxr> re
21:48 < rxr> I hope this would work
21:48 < rxr> [D] 0 jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz !http/
21:48 < rxr> ...
21:49 < minto> What is the ! for?
21:49 < minto> It works
21:50 < minto> .. not, I get
21:50 < minto> ################################################
21:50 < minto> Finished downloading 5091 bytes in 0.338 seconds (15062.130 bytes/sec).
21:50 < minto> curl: (47) Maximum (50) redirects followed
21:50 < minto> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 47. Please read the curl manpage.
21:52 < rxr> hm
21:53 < rxr> http://jabberstudio.2nw.net/jabberd2/jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz
21:53 < rxr> curl does sometimes not like the php redirecty ...
21:53 < rxr> redirects even
21:54 < minto> Shoul I configure it for manual download?
21:55 < rxr> no - just use the above url
21:55 < rxr> that is why
21:55 < rxr> what the php redirects to at the ened ...
21:55 < rxr> 21:53 < rxr> http://jabberstudio.2nw.net/jabberd2/jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz
21:56 < minto> Hmm, I skipped that, I should read better.
21:56 < minto> How did you find this download location?
21:57 < rxr> I clicked on the link on the php site in konqueror .-)
21:57 < minto> Yeah, this works fine :-)
21:57 < rxr> usually I use wget or look what the server returns on telnet ...
21:58 < rxr> valentin: == 20:04:08 =[9]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11.6 2.1.0-rc2].
21:58 < rxr> == 04/10/05 21:57:16 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26.
21:58 < rxr> iBook
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22:28 < valentin> ew
22:28 < valentin> re
22:29 < valentin> rxr: what is with the kernel time ?
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22:53 < minto> I gonna take my daily beauty nap, gn8 all
23:02 < valentin> gn8 minto
23:04 < maddin_> gn8 all
23:05 < valentin> n8 maddin_
23:07 < sepp> is there a smart way to make one gimp-plugins pkg containing >1 plugin?
23:09 < sepp> with >1 i mean maybe 23
23:09 < valentin> you mean composed of several .tar.bziped source files ?
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23:09 < sepp> yes
23:10 < valentin> i think you could add several [D]ownloads and tag which one are source files
23:10 < valentin> do you want to specify different config options ?
23:10 < valentin> hehe (from yaboot source code):
23:10 < valentin> /* I am fed up with lusers using the wrong partition type and
23:10 < valentin> mailing me *when* it breaks */
23:11 < sepp> yes i understand this but i need to make a custmain for all plugins?
23:11 < valentin> warn = strcmp(entry,
23:11 < valentin> "I_know_the_partition_type_is_wrong_and_will_NOT_send_mail_when_booting_breaks");
23:11 < valentin> sepp: i think there was a way not to do so
23:11 < sepp> that is what i search ;)
23:12 < valentin> mom, i search for a example in the package dir
23:14 < sepp> mom ?
23:14 < valentin> moment
23:15 < valentin> not mum ,)
23:15 < sepp> ahh
23:16 < valentin> i found some examples which build several files but i did not yet find one whith optional hooks and stuff
23:16 < valentin> shouldbe sth like [ "$somevar" == "pluginname" ] && hook_add special_for_pluginname
23:16 < valentin> or so ?
23:18 < sepp> hmm ugly as a very large custmain
23:18 < sepp> or not?
23:18 < valentin> why ?
23:19 < sepp> most plugins should work with build-pkg
23:19 < valentin> then you need to do nothing for those plugins
23:20 < sepp> so it runs build pkg in every dir?
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23:21 < sepp> for every [D] plugin ...
23:22 < valentin> i think so - maybe you try ?
23:22 < sepp> ok
23:22 < sepp> thanks
23:24 < valentin> damn, the handbook is broken in this section
23:24 < valentin> (or my konqueror is too stupid)
23:26 < sepp> argh, sorry next time i will ask the handbook
23:26 < valentin> ah ok
23:26 < valentin> you need to specify [SRC] tarball1 tarball2 ..... in the desc file
23:27 < valentin> this will cause build_this_package to iterate over the files
23:27 < valentin> but i have no idea what it does for default when no [SRC] tag is given
23:27 < sepp> yes checked the pdf ...
23:28 < sepp> sorry for asking things explained in the handbook, i searched wrong keywords
23:29 < valentin> no problem - causes my to learn more....
23:33 < sepp> is it a good idea to pack gimp plugins into one pkg? i think so but ladspa plugins for example are not one pkg
23:34 < sepp> at least to me it would make sense
23:36 < valentin> imo that depends on the nature of the plugins. Hughe and very special plugins could be sorted into single packages
23:37 < sepp> yes
23:38 < sepp> what i want is a easy way to select gim plugins
23:38 < valentin> install or build time ?
23:38 < sepp> both
23:39 < sepp> mainly build time
23:40 < sepp> as user i would like a easy way to say "build all gimp plugins" ...
23:40 < sepp> maybe divided into parts
23:41 < sepp> and not build plugin foo bar ...
23:43 < valentin> then simply create few packages create many plugins and the user can toggle his package selection
23:45 < sepp> ok, i will try to find a pattern
23:47 < sepp> what i really want to avoid is 50 gimp plugins in package/graphic ...
23:47 < valentin> yep
23:47 < valentin> sounds reasonable
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