--- Log opened Tue Jan 11 00:00:46 2005
00:20 < rxr> I take one last look in audacity
00:20 < rxr> then I'm off
00:20 < mnemoc_> cu rxr
00:20 < jsaw> hi mnemoc_
00:21 < jsaw> is it okay if I add a [KnownBugs] section?
00:21 < jsaw> (to 21Branch)
00:22 < rxr> I love the sucks sectin
00:22 < mnemoc_> sure
00:22 < rxr> section even ...
00:22 < jsaw> hehe
00:22 < mnemoc_> :D
00:22 < mnemoc_> svk and kwiki itself has one
00:22 < jsaw> mnemoc_: okay?
00:23 < mnemoc_> if you prefer that to adding the to Sucks, do it
00:23 < rxr> well - I like a known bugs section
00:23 < mnemoc_> =)
00:23 < rxr> it's a wiki - just do it - we can move it around later anyway ..
00:23 < jsaw> okay.
00:23 < mnemoc_> it has svn as backend so i can play directly :)
00:24 < mnemoc_> how is speed?
00:25 < mnemoc_> brb
00:25 < rxr> jsaw: wxT() alone is not the solution - hm - or wait
00:27 < jsaw> ?
00:27 < rxr> ok - some more const wxChar* casts do the rest ..
00:28 < jsaw> mnemoc_: could you add a "HowToEdit" section, I have no experience with Wiki style...
00:30 < rxr> annoying
00:30 < rxr> do we need to ship such ugly packages ?
00:30 < jsaw> ?
00:31 < rxr> I mean - can't we just rm -rf all the non building ones *g*
00:31 < jsaw> what do you mean, xmule or wxwidgets...
00:31 < rxr> all three ...
00:31 < jsaw> ouhm.
00:40 < rxr> do you work on wxHack ?
00:40 < rxr> I have to patch the ffile.h ...
00:40 < rxr> maybe for ymule, too
00:40 < rxr> xmule ven
00:42 < jsaw> nope, actually reading "Dissecting tumour pathophysiology using intravital microscopy"... and still waiting for thunderbird to finish
00:42 < rxr> ok
00:53 < rxr> jsaw: maybe just switching on more compatibility stuff in wxwidgets would help, too
00:53 < rxr> e.g. I now patch audacity for quite some time - and it get's boring - and the patch huge ...
00:53 < rxr> I try
00:54 < jsaw> seems like...
00:54 < rxr> checking for --enable-compat22... no
00:54 < rxr> I enable it ...
00:54 < jsaw> 24..?
00:54 < rxr> 24 seems to be on bedefault
00:55 < jsaw> hmm...
00:55 < rxr> checking for --disable-compat24... no
00:55 < jsaw> so disable unicode?
00:55 < rxr> no
00:55 < rxr> I just try to enable compat22
00:55 < jsaw> ok.
00:58 < mnemoc_> re
00:59 < rxr> What level of wxWidgets compatibility should be enabled?
00:59 < rxr> wxWidgets 2.2 yes
00:59 < rxr> wxWidgets 2.4 yes
01:00 < rxr> checking for --enable-compat22... yes
01:00 < rxr> checking for --disable-compat24... no
01:00 < rxr> ..
01:03 < rxr> erhm
01:03 < rxr> gsmp is really pushing data into the world ...
01:03 < rxr> in 2005 already 8GB
01:03 < rxr> and that with the downtime last weekend ...
01:04 < mnemoc_> oh
01:04 < rxr> ouhm - good that I take a look
01:04 < rxr> s.th. with the log seems f*cked up ..
01:04 < rxr> 2740.05 GB in 2004 ....
01:05 < mnemoc_> how many packages depend on wx? to hard to try a rebuild of those with compat22 disabled?
01:05 < mnemoc_> oh
01:05 < rxr> and that is only accounted http:// ...
01:05 < rxr> mnemoc_: compat22 was disabled
01:05 < rxr> audacity and xmule fail then ...
01:05 < mnemoc_> audacity and xmule are wx22??
01:06 < rxr> they do not use unicode string for all ...
01:06 < rxr> and they seem to have dropped non unicode string support in 2.4 or so ...
01:07 < rxr> oh - I know why ...
01:07 < rxr> (my GSMP logs are outdated ...)
01:07 < rxr> my crontab -r accident ...
01:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: you don't like compat code, I guess? or why do you ask?
01:09 < mnemoc_> i don't to add un-necessary legacy-compatibility, but in this case it's necesary
01:11 < rxr> oum 400BM Apache logs to parse - no wonder that takes some time
01:13 < rxr> hm - compat code does not seem to fix that ...
01:13 < rxr> !> /usr/include/wx-2.5/wx/string.h:649: note: ..
01:13 < rxr> !> DynamicPreferencesCtrl.cpp:564: error: conversion from ` ..
01:13 < rxr> !> /usr/include/wx-2.5/wx/string.h:660: note: candidates ar ..
01:13 < rxr> !> /usr/include/wx-2.5/wx/string.h:649: note:
01:13 < rxr> too bad ...
01:16 < rxr> hm - but it gets far further natively
01:17 < rxr> e.g. without tons of hacking ..
01:18 < jsaw> far further?
01:18 < rxr> it does not change anything for xmule
01:18 < rxr> but audacity improvs quite a lot I think ...
01:19 < rxr> a firt look seems it fixes issues for both
01:19 < rxr> only the fixed length strings are left - those like :
01:19 < rxr> const char[3]
01:19 < rxr> and co ...
01:19 < rxr> should reduce the needed patch size quite a bit
01:19 < rxr> at least for audacity
01:20 < rxr> mnemoc_: update 16.08 GB on gsmp this months ...
01:20 < mnemoc_> it doubled?
01:21 < rxr> yes - the "DB" from the log was not up to date ...
01:23 < rxr> ouhm - the wxPatching is too boring for me. ..
01:27 < rxr> hm - I think I patch wxWidget
01:27 < rxr> patch so many normal string occurances is rediculous ...
01:27 < rxr> (and boring)
01:28 < mnemoc_> what about asking the authors to do that?
01:28 < rxr> I read a few historic posts on the list - and they seem quite bash like ...
01:28 < jsaw> ...
01:28 < rxr> we want build errors fixed this year - and so I get those to compile now ...
01:29 < rxr> yeah - compiles further now ...
01:29 < jsaw> next paper: Fiber optic in vivo imaging in the mammalian nervous system
01:29 < rxr> what do you do there ?
01:29 < rxr> (I also want such a job=)
01:30 < jsaw> currently I have to write a paper about this scanner for in vivo imaging we have developped.
01:31 < jsaw> later this year we have a collaboration with a group from the MIT doing OCT (optical coherence tomography). That's like looking into the skin up to and beyond 1mm with a 10um resolution..
01:32 < rxr> nice
01:33 < jsaw> but I'm going for "understanding the brain", well - we're in the early beginnings of this task...
01:33 < mnemoc_> jsaw: i'm writing a HowToWiki right now
01:33 < jsaw> mnemoc_: phew, thanks!
01:35 < jsaw> mnemoc_: btw, I'm currently in our kitchen, laptop on the cooker, and thousand papers distributed along the workbench... :)
01:35 < mnemoc_> my place on the housr is right to the laundry machine :\
01:35 < mnemoc_> house*
01:36 < rxr> I think I'll come up with 5-6 wx patches and one audacity one ...
01:37 < rxr> ouch
01:37 < rxr> damn
01:37 < jsaw> mnemoc_: I know :/
01:38 < rxr> mnemoc_: :-(
01:38 < rxr> ok - some more audacity patches ...
01:39 < rxr> well - I do not like that this hack get's so asymetric ...
01:47 < rxr> damn vaarg stuff ...
01:52 < rxr> AudacityApp.cpp - hopefully that is the last file to patch
01:54 < rxr> oops:
01:54 < rxr> effects/Effect.h:85: warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type `class wxString' through `...'; call will abort at runtime
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02:03 < rxr> and and ...
02:03 < rxr> ouch
02:04 < rxr> more files
02:04 < rxr> damn
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02:05 < mnemoc_> hi sparc-kly
02:08 < rxr> hm - with so many hacks applied it will be a wonder if audacity will run after that ...
02:10 < mnemoc_> :)
02:11 < rxr> hm - xmule looks better
02:13 < rxr> ClientCredits.h:38:35: cryptopp/cryptlib.h: No such file or directory
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02:21 < sparc-kly> hi all
02:21 < sparc-kly> :D
02:22 < rxr> hi sparc-kly
02:26 < rxr> I do not think fixing the wx stuff was a good idea
02:27 * mnemoc_ looking from outside thinks the same
02:28 < rxr> quite a lot wasted time
02:33 < rxr> when you see the patch you headshake ...
02:34 < sparc-kly> * This version of cloop will only compile against Linux 2.4.x
02:34 < sparc-kly> * Please change where /usr/src/linux points to, or export the KERNEL_DIR
02:34 < sparc-kly> * environment variable like this:
02:34 < sparc-kly> i need cloop to compile T2 in my Gentoo workstation . and emerge said this
02:35 < mnemoc_> so do that ;)
02:35 < rxr> sparc-kly: what do you exactly try to do ?
02:36 < sparc-kly> make livecd
02:36 < rxr> ouhm - t2 lice cd ?
02:37 < sparc-kly> yes
02:38 < rxr> well - the live cd code is not in the best
02:38 < rxr> shape
02:38 < rxr> it is some quick and dirty hack stuff we inherited from rock linux ...
02:38 < sparc-kly> humm .
02:38 < rxr> nothing to show to people - IMHO ...
02:39 < rxr> but why do you need cloop to compile t2 ?
02:39 < rxr> maybe it complains about the normal loop device stuff? that is not crypto loop ...
02:39 < rxr> just "modprobe loop" ;-)
02:39 < rxr> jsaw: I leave now
02:40 < rxr> jsaw: advice: if you do not have a primary interest in xmule or audacity leave them alone
02:40 < rxr> I have halfly hacked up version here (read unfinished) and it is really dirty work ...
02:40 < jsaw> rxr: I do not...
02:40 < mnemoc_> AP_HTTPD_USER is my problem, configure asks for a uid but suexec.c asumes it's a username
02:41 < rxr> and I go into bed now - because even after patching wxwidgets a bit to take some more const char* arguments it is still quite a lot of other char* vs. wchar* vs. wxString vs. wxChar* vs. ... - well you get the idea ..
02:41 < rxr> I know why I do not like wxWwwwin
02:41 < rxr> wxWindows err wxWidgets ...
02:42 < mnemoc_> rxr: wiki is waiting for your sumarized TODO :)
02:42 < rxr> for me =?
02:42 < mnemoc_> yep
02:42 < mnemoc_> http://wiki.t2-project.org/index.cgi?TODO
02:44 < rxr> ci - tomorrow or so ...
02:44 < rxr> n8 all
02:44 < jsaw> cu rxr
02:46 < mnemoc_> n8 rxr
02:46 < mnemoc_> jsaw: TODO is waiting for you too ;)
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02:54 < mnemoc_> yes, one cookie
02:55 < mnemoc_> but it's optional, you can commit as AnonymousDonkey
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03:18 < jsaw> okay, TODO partially filled...
03:19 < mnemoc_> :D
03:20 < mnemoc_> tell me when you save to restart the virtualhost with suexec :D
03:20 < jsaw> I'm finished for today.
03:20 < jsaw> hmm, does not look nice with lynx...
03:21 < mnemoc_> and links ?
03:24 < mnemoc_> i'll stop the apache on 10
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03:24 < mnemoc_> 1
03:24 < mnemoc_> freeze
03:24 < jsaw> :)
03:24 < jsaw> links work
03:24 < mnemoc_> :D
03:26 < mnemoc_> ==> /var/opt/apache/logs/suexec_log <==
03:26 < mnemoc_> [2005-01-10 23:26:03]: uid: (1000/amery) gid: (100/100) cmd: index.cgi
03:26 < mnemoc_> :D
03:26 < mnemoc_> finally
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05:00 < jsaw> falling asleep... bye bye
05:02 < mnemoc_> bye jsaw
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09:33 < rxr> moin
09:34 < ideal> hi
09:35 < rxr> hi ideal !
09:37 < ideal> It's 9:37 in your time zone, right?
09:37 < rxr> yep ;-)
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09:58 < ideal> hi, rxr. Do you submit bug through wiki?
10:04 < rxr> the wiki is just a new test ...
10:05 < rxr> I'm not yet sure if it will be used for the web site - or just as add on
10:05 < ideal> Why not to choose bugzilla.
10:05 < rxr> if the wiki will not become the homepage we will of course use a CMS ...
10:05 < ideal> :)
10:05 < rxr> bugzilla is extremly overfeatured and hard to use
10:06 < ideal> a bit.
10:06 < rxr> we will have some bug tracker (when there is free time to set it up) - but more likely flyspray or so - not bugzilla ...
10:08 < ideal> with issue tracking?
10:08 < rxr> flyspray is a issue / bugtracker
10:09 < rxr> http://flyspray.rocks.cc/
10:09 < ideal> Seeing
10:09 < rxr> so - me showering and then some work do so ... ;-)
10:09 < rxr> cu - later
10:10 < ideal> :D
11:26 < rxr> ideal: do you want to use t2 for some production systems
11:26 < rxr> or what are you planning, looking for ?
11:30 < ideal> I use debian now:)
11:31 < ideal> I think t2 will be a good choice with a flexible architecture.
11:46 < ideal> I usually visit http://distrowatch.com/. I found several traditional distribution goes down, such as slackware, lfs.
11:48 < rxr> well the slackware founder is ill ...
11:49 < ideal> Yes. God bless him.
11:52 < ideal> On the top ten, mepis, knoppix, ubuntu, damnsmall are all based on debian. Top three are all based on rpm package management system. But I don't expect this.
11:54 < ideal> I support independent distribution:)
11:56 < ideal> And rock / t2 are independent.
11:57 < ideal> How do you think of that?
11:59 < rxr> I also wonder why all just copy .deb or .rpm's to form somethin "new" ...
11:59 < ideal> :)
12:08 < rxr> and you mostly never get a build system to your hand to build the system from scratch ..
12:10 < ideal> I once tried gentoo (based on src but withing pkg mgnt) and LFS.
12:12 < ideal> Gentoo is similar with freebsd.
12:51 < rxr> yeah - I know gentoo
12:51 < rxr> how did you like it ?
12:59 < ideal> source-based, ports pkg mgmt and independent:)
13:02 < rxr> eiii
13:02 < rxr> aspell: Symbol `_ZTVN7acommon6StringE' has different size in shared object, onsider re-linking
13:02 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
13:02 < rxr> when one needs to spell check ...
13:02 < rxr> f*ck ...
13:20 < rxr> so - xen "short article" handed away ...
13:20 < rxr> let's see if it is published today ...
13:21 < rxr> to bad I have to go back to less funny scanner hacking now ...
13:21 < rxr> or boring university excercies ...
13:35 < mnemoc_> moin!
13:45 < rxr> moin
13:47 < mnemoc_> moin rxr
13:56 < mnemoc_> hey! and spanish?
13:57 < rxr> mnemoc_: no update yet ...
13:57 < rxr> sorry
13:57 < mnemoc_> :(
13:57 < rxr> but I need a aspell version that did not crash ...
13:57 < rxr> I already did the update here locally and hesitated to commit due to missing -lang packages
13:57 < rxr> but I could not wait longer ...
13:57 < mnemoc_> our tooldchain is somehow broken
13:57 < rxr> hm?
13:58 < mnemoc_> ssp think, broken cross-builds and uclibc sharing headers with outter world
13:58 < mnemoc_> thing*
13:58 < mnemoc_> something got wrong on the change
13:59 < rxr> something broken in uclibc ?
13:59 < mnemoc_> those are three failing cases
13:59 < mnemoc_> don't guilt uclibc
14:01 < mnemoc_> but i read and read and i cant find what's wrong
14:01 < rxr> ok - me off to get some food ..
14:02 * mnemoc_ hungry too... brb
14:02 < rxr> what the s*it f*cking h*ll?!?!?!
14:03 < rxr> why is xlock pasting the .plan to the login screen and thus exposing my not public intended notes ... ?!?!?!
14:03 < rxr> who has such idea ?
14:03 < rxr> what to do?
14:03 < mnemoc_> *G*
14:03 < rxr> am I allowed to patch xlock ?
14:03 < rxr> I do not want this feature ...
14:03 < mnemoc_> sure, why not?
14:04 < mnemoc_> who can want such /feature/?
14:13 < mnemoc_> what good tool there are for analizing ELF header?
14:35 < mnemoc_> jsaw: you missed diet wrapper on your TODO ;)
14:45 < mnemoc_> rxr,jsaw: do you know why ld could miss ncurses symbols even if -ncurses ?
14:48 < rxr> maybe it is not last in the gcc/ld argument line ?
14:49 < mnemoc_> it's in the middle
14:49 < mnemoc_> is that a problem?
14:49 < rxr> might be
14:49 < rxr> if libraries aver t
14:49 < rxr> it utilize it ...
14:51 < mnemoc_> oh
14:51 < mnemoc_> fixed
14:51 < mnemoc_> that was weird
14:58 < rxr> this is a known issue ...
14:59 < mnemoc_> ld issue?
15:00 < mnemoc_> * updated openvpn (2.0-beta15 -> 2.0-rc6)
15:02 < rxr> a documented useage annoynace ...
15:02 < rxr> we need a CIA ...
15:02 < rxr> In the lower part of the password screen a text is displayed. This
15:02 < rxr> message is taken from the first file of the following that exists:
15:02 < rxr> $HOME/.xlocktext, $HOME/.plan, or $HOME/.signature.
15:03 < mnemoc_> .plan?!
15:03 < mnemoc_> OT: do you know a MUA with WebDAV support?
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15:44 < rxr> Mail User Agent ?
15:44 < rxr> what ?
15:44 < mnemoc_> yes, a mail user agent with webdav support
15:59 < rxr> no idea
15:59 < rxr> for what ?
16:00 < mnemoc_> to use http:// instead of imap
16:03 < rxr> aha ...
16:03 < rxr> never heared of that ...
16:03 < mnemoc_> ms outlook does that
16:04 < rxr> hm
16:06 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you reference finished?
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16:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: here?
16:49 < rxr> re
16:49 < rxr> yep
16:49 < rxr> see list ...
16:50 < mnemoc_> ok
16:51 < mnemoc_> nothing recived
16:58 < mnemoc_> any idea why postgresql's configure might be ignoring my exported CPPFLAGS?
17:07 < rxr> no - but why do you need to export CPPFLAGS ?
17:07 < rxr> can't you use a wrapper ?
17:07 < rxr> are you sure you want CPP and not e.g. CXX ?
17:09 < mnemoc_> yes
17:09 < mnemoc_> it want's to see what preprocesor thinks
17:10 < mnemoc_> can i add -I/opt/foo/... to cpp via wrapper?
17:12 < rxr> hm
17:12 < rxr> I'm not sure we have a CPP wrapper
17:12 < rxr> but export should work, too
17:12 < rxr> maybe the configure does not use it - or unsets it ?
17:12 < mnemoc_> it does
17:12 < mnemoc_> unset... uhm
17:12 < mnemoc_> that's easier to check that the -x on top ;)
17:15 < rxr> * fixed xlockmore to not leak the .plan to the login screen ...
17:17 < mnemoc_> it unset CFLAGS after defining + ac_cpp='$CPP $CPPFLAGS'
17:17 < mnemoc_> + ac_compile='$CC -c $CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS conftest.$ac_ext >&5'
17:17 < mnemoc_> + ac_link='$CC -o conftest$ac_exeext $CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS $LDFLAGS conftest.$ac_ext $LIBS >&5'
17:17 < mnemoc_> but CPPFLAGS is never unset
17:18 < mnemoc_> what?!
17:18 < mnemoc_> CPPFLAGS= <-- on extraconfopt!
17:22 < rxr> ouhm ??"?"?
17:22 < rxr> s/"/!/g
17:23 < mnemoc_> no, an empty space but quoted
17:24 < mnemoc_> i added and echo on top of configure and: sl --build=i686-unknown-linux-gnu --host=i686-unknown-linux-gnu
17:24 < mnemoc_> CPPFLAGS: -I/opt/heimdal/include -I/etc/ssl/include
17:24 < mnemoc_> checking build system type... i686-unknown-linux-gnu
17:24 < mnemoc_> so it is inside configure
17:28 < rxr> re
17:39 < mnemoc_> > what kind of misconfiguration should i search for? i have the same
17:39 < mnemoc_> > problem with util-linux and NAME_MAX, PATH_MAX and FILE_MAX.
17:39 < mnemoc_> Look at your sys-include path.
17:39 < mnemoc_> Manuel
17:45 < mnemoc_> jsaw: are you around? iirc you did someting with sys include to fix ssp, where was that?
18:04 < mnemoc_> scratchbox seems to be maturing fast
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19:02 < rxr> er
19:03 < rxr> sorry - my firlfriend grabbed me to debug her quite interesting uni exercise
19:03 < rxr> where interesting == hard to debug ...
19:05 < mnemoc_> :)
19:07 < mnemoc_> # ls build/test-ldap-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium4-32-mnemosyne-expert/usr/src/building/t2/mnemosyne/build/test-ldap-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium4-32-mnemosyne-expert/sbin/ip -l
19:07 < mnemoc_> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103684 2005-01-09 20:33 build/test-ldap-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium4-32-mnemosyne-expert/usr/src/building/t2/mnemosyne/build/test-ldap-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium4-32-mnemosyne-expert/sbin/ip
19:07 < mnemoc_> interesing place to install iproute2 files
19:08 < mnemoc_> confirmed by flist :p
19:08 < rxr> hm
19:10 * mnemoc_ moving home to lunch, cu
19:12 < rxr> !> ld: final link failed: No space left on device
19:12 < rxr> == 01/11/05 14:44:34 =[9]=> Aborted building package linux26.
19:12 < rxr> f*cking old server ,...
19:17 < rxr> Crackers Tune In to Windows Media Player
20:32 < mnemoc_> re
20:32 < mnemoc_> is that your reference?
21:14 < mnemoc_> rxr,jsaw: do you have objections to a cpp wrapper?
21:17 < rxr> re
21:17 < rxr> no - go cpp wrapper ..
21:19 < mnemoc_> thanks
21:24 < mnemoc_> Committed revision 5517
21:24 < mnemoc_> try to take a look into it
21:25 < rxr> "Members of the European Parliament from countries including Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland and Sweden have asked for the software patent directive to be redone from scratch, according to a report on Monday."+
21:27 < mnemoc_> is that good or bad?
21:27 < rxr> no idea
21:27 < rxr> just pasting news ...
21:28 < rxr> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
21:29 < rxr> ATI Radeon 9200 graphics chip with 32MB
21:29 < rxr> ^- good ;-) So X.org accelerated 3D ;-)
21:30 < mnemoc_> on that brick?
21:30 < rxr> http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designstack20050111.gif
21:31 < rxr> http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designhands20050111.gif
21:31 < mnemoc_> oh
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21:46 < rxr> re
21:55 < mnemoc_> hte is fun :)
22:01 < rxr> hte ?
22:04 < mnemoc_> package/develop/hte ;)
22:04 < rxr> btw xen looks nice ...
22:04 < rxr> ah M-)
22:05 < mnemoc_> is it faster than qemu?
22:06 < rxr> looks interesting
22:06 < rxr> yes - way faster
22:06 < rxr> nearly full speed ...
22:06 < rxr> but it requires a modified OS kernel
22:06 < rxr> so far linux, freebsd and netbsd run in it ..
22:07 < rxr> it is like the professional IBM LPAR stuff on "mainframe style" boxes
22:07 < rxr> it does not virtualize all the hardware - so not e.g. VGA card, sybios logic SCSI chip, NE2000 network chip emulation
22:07 < rxr> but a defined API for block i/o, network i/o and so on
22:07 < rxr> that is why it is so fast - _and_ useful
22:08 < rxr> you can suspend resume the instances
22:08 < mnemoc_> can run non-linux OSs?
22:08 < rxr> you can like migrate them between nodes
22:08 < rxr> you can manage the virtual interfaces (like network devices and such) quite well and so on and so on
22:08 < rxr> netbsd and freebsd ...
22:08 < rxr> so far
22:09 < rxr> the university where it was create also patched windows (at least they claim) but of course they got the win source for academic research and thus are not able to post the modifications ...
22:09 < rxr> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performance.html
22:10 < rxr> outperforms vmware quite a lot
22:10 < rxr> was well as user mode linux ...
22:12 < mnemoc_> so it run in some patched unixes but only runs linux
22:12 < mnemoc_> uml-light ;)
22:12 < rxr> you mean as host system ...
22:12 < rxr> no idea what host systems are supported ..
22:12 < rxr> maybe only linux ...
22:12 < mnemoc_> oh
22:13 < rxr> the listed ones above are gues systems ...
22:13 < mnemoc_> ic
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22:43 < mnemoc_> 1300 active packages <-- on generic :p
22:54 < mnemoc_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-binutils.out
22:54 < mnemoc_> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 0.00% (0 hits, 0 misses)
22:54 < mnemoc_> rxr: there is nothing to build on 0-binutils or that's a bug?
23:04 < rxr> ddre
23:05 < rxr> hm - maybe bug
23:05 < rxr> maybe the ccache does not work correctly for pre chroot or in-system builds ...
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23:07 < rxr> rehi
23:07 < rxr> 23:05 < rxr> hm - maybe bug
23:07 < rxr> 23:05 < rxr> maybe the ccache does not work correctly for pre chroot or
23:07 < rxr> in-system builds ...
23:08 < mnemoc> :)
23:11 < rxr> do we need an own CIA ?
23:15 < mnemoc> the common ranking is cool, but we need a full-time notifier on the channel
23:17 < mnemoc> do you want to get a copy of CIA or teach a bot to notify?
23:19 < rxr> no plan yet
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23:19 < rxr> it was just some thought while watching this gimp clone photoshop installing ...
23:20 < mnemoc> :)
23:24 < mnemoc> http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/cia/
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