--- Log opened Mon Nov 08 00:00:05 2004
00:12 < valentin> as far as i understand those fsking makefile they use $CC -M for dependency generation
00:12 < valentin> still no idea why the source is copied in that one special case
00:16 < valentin> is there something like xtrace for makefiles ?
00:18 < valentin> i know make -n but that is not sufficient here
00:20 * valentin soon away
00:24 < valentin> gn8
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00:35 < rxr> hi
00:35 * rxr virtually kicks the damned schilly
00:35 < rxr> just had to phone with my brother to find out that his new cd-burning problem is due to recent cdrecord crap ...
00:37 < rxr> valentin: the sparc32 stage2 gcc is not crunching it's java stuff ...
00:41 < CIA-8> rene * r4615 /trunk/package/kde/koffice/koffice.conf: * fixed koffice build for our recent python - only partly tested
00:50 < rxr> hm cool, extracting just the audio stream from a video is quite intuitiv with ffmpeg ...
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01:05 < rxr> oh my god, not even xmms resamples the 48kHz file correctly
01:05 * rxr really has to push gsmp stuff higher in the .todo file ...
01:05 < rxr> so /me in bed - n8 all
01:06 < rxr> ah, in the case anyone wants to fix errors:
01:06 < rxr> [5] e17/efsd [5] e17/elicit
01:06 < rxr> [5] e17/entrance [5] audio/gsmp
01:06 < rxr> [5] graphic/pixieplus [5] gnome14/gtkhtml10
01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/xmp [5] gnome2/gedit-plugins
01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/nvrec [5] gnome2/gkrellm-plugins
01:06 < rxr> [5] perl/mysql-perl [5] perl/perl-dbd-postgresq
01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/vstserver [5] multimedia/kaxtv
01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/mythtv [5] multimedia/vdr
01:06 < rxr> [5] fonts/mplayer-fonts [5] multimedia/avview
01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/ladspa-swh-plugins [5] audio/ladspa-vst
01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/ardour [5] multimedia/transcode
01:06 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gnomemeeting [5] base/quota
01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/ripperx [5] multimedia/vls
01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/ggrab [5] gnome2/gnucash
01:06 < rxr> [5] develop/mono-develop [5] multimedia/dvgrab
01:06 < rxr> [5] develop/ocs [5] x11/rivatv
01:06 < rxr> [5] develop/stlport
01:24 < rxr> hm - I'm still impressed by the bad quality of this concert broadcase ...
01:24 < rxr> inbelievable how f*cked up the frequency profile is, and how much high frequency noise is in it ...
01:24 < rxr> well, me off, really this time
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03:44 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
03:44 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Nov 7 16:41:27 2004]
03:44 [Users #t2]
03:44 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ martin_] [ mtr] [ rxr_ ]
03:44 [ CIA-8 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin]
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10:24 < rxr> moin
10:25 < rxr> [1] base/linux26 [1] base/linux24
10:25 < rxr> [1] sparc/silo
10:25 < rxr> 954 builds total, 106 completed fine, 3 with errors.
10:25 < rxr> `- sparc build, now at 5-gcc
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10:45 < martin_> re
10:51 < rxr> moin martin_
10:55 < CIA-8> rene * r4616 /trunk/package/extra/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.2 -> 0.5.9)
10:58 < CIA-8> rene * r4617 /trunk/package/ (extra/libidn/ network/libidn/): * moved libidn from extra into network
11:13 < rxr> inux26 [1] base/linux24
11:13 < rxr> 10:25 < rxr> [1] sparc/silo
11:13 < rxr> 10:25 < rxr> 954 builds total, 106 completed fine, 3 with errors.
11:13 < rxr> oops sorry
11:39 < valentin> moin
11:55 < rxr> moin
11:56 < rxr> sparc still building 5-gcc
12:07 < valentin> at least it is a 5
12:07 < valentin> mine still sut
12:07 < valentin> mine still stuck in 1-glibc
12:14 < valentin> this suse workstation sucks
12:23 < rxr> you are already in ah???
12:23 < rxr> wondering
12:23 < rxr> yeah, seems we have a fresh t2, sparc32 v8 optimized build, soon
12:35 < valentin> yes i am in AH
12:38 < CIA-8> rene * r4618 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.desc: * updated sweep (0.8.2 -> 0.8.3)
12:38 < rxr> quite early :-)
12:49 < valentin> jep - i left the house with K today
12:49 < valentin> she is working near AH
13:06 < CIA-8> rene * r4619 /trunk/package/audio/audacity/audacity.desc: * updated audacity (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
13:09 < jsaw> re
13:09 < jsaw> hi all
13:16 < rxr> valentin: ah, great news ...
13:16 < rxr> hi jsaw
13:16 < jsaw> hi there
13:17 < rxr> == 09:42:43 =[5]=> Building base/gcc [3.3.3 2.1.0-beta].
13:17 < rxr> == 11/08/04 13:07:04 =[5]=> Finished building package gcc.
13:17 < rxr> 954 builds total, 111 completed fine, 3 with errors.
13:18 < rxr> `- sparc
13:18 < rxr> with an downdated gcc, due to 3.4.x misoptimizes (or so) the glibc's dynamic loader
13:18 < rxr> to be investigated in depth later
13:19 < jsaw> just checked dvb-t availability in Heidelberg, hey I'm inside one of three green (roof antenna) areas... (the areas are about 500x500 sqm)
13:21 < jsaw> rxr: is this the same effect I reported yesterday_
13:21 < jsaw> ?
13:21 < jsaw> (uninitialized jumps in the dynamic loader)
13:21 < rxr> you mean your valgrind stuff?
13:22 < rxr> but you glibc works, doesn't it?
13:22 < rxr> on sparc the dynamic loader is segmentation faulting ...
13:22 < jsaw> I have hard lockups once in a while
13:22 < rxr> might be related, but must not ...
13:22 < jsaw> (which I never had before)
13:22 < jsaw> (on this machine I should add)
13:26 < rxr> hard lockup of the wohle machine
13:26 < rxr> aka kernel freeze ?
13:27 < rxr> user space stuff (including glibc) must never be able to lockup a machine, thus it should be rather kernel related ...
13:27 < jsaw> I looks more like X server freeze. But I can't check, have to possibility to ssh from another box currently
13:27 < rxr> is X running?
13:27 < rxr> then it might be X ...
13:27 < jsaw> s/have to/have no/
13:28 < rxr> due to it's direct hardware access, a graphic chip can lock up the PCI bus when imperfectly accessed ...
13:29 < jsaw> yep... remembers me of the time when my PC (with nvidia) was still running
13:30 < jsaw> well, once a build is ready I'm gonna upgrade... if it still persists I'm gonna investigate further
13:31 < jsaw> ./configure: line 20487: test: too many arguments
13:31 < jsaw> configure: warning: Could not locate Cyrus SASL
13:31 < jsaw> configure: warning: SASL authentication not supported!
13:31 < jsaw> ouch
13:31 < jsaw> (openldap)
13:35 < rxr> hm
13:35 < jsaw> missing quotes
13:36 < jsaw> oh, more problematic than I thought... still it doesn't correctly identify sasl
13:37 * rxr away -> uni
13:37 < jsaw> cu
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14:18 < CIA-8> jsaw * r4620 /trunk/package/network/openldap/ (openldap.conf openldap.desc sasl2.patch):
14:18 < CIA-8> * update openldap (2.2.17 -> 2.2.18)
14:18 < CIA-8> * fix sasl2 patch (sasl2 was not identified correctly anymore)
14:18 < CIA-8> * remove "make depend" as it screwed compilation
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15:46 < mnemoc> moin
15:47 < sparc-kly|wifi> moin
15:47 < sparc-kly|wifi> Rocklinux vs sourcemage
15:47 < sparc-kly|wifi> cual es la diferencia?
15:48 < mnemoc> afaik sourcemage is a distribution
15:48 < mnemoc> rock (and t2) aren't
15:53 < CIA-8> rene * r4621 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/qemu.conf:
15:53 < CIA-8> * removed explicit target specification from qemu, so all default targets
15:53 < CIA-8> are build
15:54 < mnemoc> rxr: any comments about sourcemage to sparc-kly ?
16:06 < CIA-8> rene * r4622 /trunk/package/network/kismet/ (kismet.desc pcap-bpf_location.patch): * updated kismset (2004-04-R1 -> 2004-10-R1)
16:09 < mnemoc> rxr: how did you fixed diet thing?
16:23 < mnemoc> uhm dietlibc is odd
16:24 < mnemoc> first time i do Build-Target, bootdisk failed _after_ linuxrc because of the absense of modules.dep
16:25 < mnemoc> i run Build-Target again and now i get headers problem again
16:25 < mnemoc> -> Create linuxrc binary.
16:25 < mnemoc> In file included from /usr/src/rock/t2-trunk/build/boot-2.1.0-beta-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert/usr/include/stdio.h:72,
16:25 < mnemoc> from /usr/src/rock/t2-trunk/target/bootdisk/linuxrc.c:32:
16:25 < mnemoc> /usr/src/rock/t2-trunk/build/boot-2.1.0-beta-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert/usr/include/libio.h:476: error: parse error before "__gnuc_va_list"
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19:39 < rxr> re
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19:40 < rxr> sparc now at xorg ...
19:41 < rxr> == 17:39:25 =[5]=> Building x11/xorg [6.8.1 2.1.0-beta].
19:41 < rxr> [1] base/linux26 [1] base/linux24
19:41 < rxr> [1] sparc/silo [5] archiver/ncompress
19:41 < rxr> 954 builds total, 180 completed fine, 4 with errors.
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20:42 < martin_> ewhi
20:42 < martin_> rehi
20:57 < rxr> hi martin_
21:40 < martin_> rxr DHCP will not work :-(
21:44 < rxr> i can take a look tomorrow
21:44 < martin_> But i will turn of my iBook now. Good night all ..
21:44 < martin_> ups, yeh, yes ... tommorrow is a good idea
21:45 < rxr> n8 martin_
21:45 < martin_> gn8 rxr
21:45 < rxr> martin_:
21:45 < rxr> typo ... :-(
21:51 < rxr> I have cutted the commercials and normalized the files ...
21:51 < rxr> of the jaenette concert, to you want a prehershall
21:54 < valentin> rxr: this chat is logged
21:55 < rxr> oops, not query ...
21:55 < rxr> i can remove that line ;-)
21:55 < valentin> why - you have used your analog vhs tape recorder, didn't you ? *g*
21:56 < rxr> no I used the low-quality mp2 broadcasted over the sky
21:56 < rxr> iit already was low-quality and got it even more after the mp2 encoding
22:00 < daja77> iirc you are allowed to record
22:01 < rxr> afaik, too
22:03 < rxr> I just wanted to point out that is is even worser than a analog copy ... :-(
22:03 < daja77> the is no word worser ...
22:04 < daja77> there*
22:04 < valentin> daja77: allowed to record - but how about sharing digital recordings over the net ?
22:04 < rxr> quality
22:04 < rxr> most stuff I recorded with a Yamaha MiniDisc recorder from a normal analog satelite broadcast sounded better
22:04 < rxr> valentin: over the net? nope
22:04 < daja77> valentin: that might be different
22:05 < rxr> valentin: you have to walk over and bring either a MD or tape with you ...
22:05 < valentin> just wait another two years, and everything will be illegal
22:05 < rxr> but person recordings are still allowed ...
22:05 < valentin> _still_
22:06 < valentin> wait for Uhrheberrechtsnovelle III
22:06 < rxr> so e.g. when you come over you might even get it via IEEE1394, ethernet or 802.11b ...
22:06 < valentin> Urheber... even
22:06 < rxr> yeah, /me waiting for that ..
22:09 < rxr> the sad thing is, that this concert cut was a commercial for the DVD edition
22:09 < rxr> if the DVD has the same poor audio quality, I can not imagine who would buy it ...
22:10 < valentin> well, then they'll mistake your recording for a dvd copy and you get into prison :/
22:10 < rxr> even most of my amateur 4-track tape recordings or even the one microphone mini-disk concert recordings are better ...
22:11 < rxr> no, they are allready post-processed - my ears hurted listening to the poor quality they have been before ...
22:11 < daja77> you made me to switch into it and made my ears hurt too
22:11 < rxr> in addition I had to power up my amp quite a lot, since it was so silent, normalizing nearly increased the volume by 10dB ....
22:13 < rxr> I bet at each over-loud commercial my neighbors dropt from the chairs ...
22:14 < rxr> (and my ears hurted)
22:14 * daja77 got that episode III trailer but it is poor
22:14 < rxr> I watched it on Pro7, but it was only quite short ...
22:15 < rxr> and no, I did not made an on-disk copy, :-)
22:15 < daja77> got a pro7 recording
22:15 < rxr> hm, analog one? here the quality over dvb-t was really good, just the concert was miserable
22:19 < rxr> valentin: should I apply at the media cooperation managing this jeanette s.th.? According to her homepage it is located in berlin ... - We would have some money and time for gsmp development then ;-)
22:19 < daja77> dunno if it was analog, i did not make the recording
22:19 < rxr> and the next recording would not suck that much *g*
22:19 < rxr> over dvb-t it was g
22:19 < rxr> oops
22:20 < rxr> very sharp, high quality, normal movie style, 16:9 and I think even surround ...
22:20 < valentin> rxr: contact them - you can give them our christian-child-songs cd as a reference
22:24 < CIA-8> rene * r4623 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/sparc-kbd.patch:
22:24 < CIA-8> * fixed xorg build on sparc - not yet tested in-build and not
22:24 < CIA-8> checked for other regressions
22:24 < rxr> I thought about exumation *g*
22:25 < rxr> but also falk's jazz concerts apply as candiate, and the quality is amazing, especially comparted to this tv-broadcast, we do not need to tell them that only one microphone and MD player was used for the recording g
22:26 < rxr> valentin: btw, svn up for your sparc build ..
22:26 < valentin> why ?
22:27 < valentin> for xorg ?
22:27 < rxr> xorg fix ...
22:27 < rxr> (for the time when you fixed glibc ...)
22:27 < valentin> i would be glad if i got a working 64-bit stage 2
22:27 < rxr> how much time to you estimate to put into that over the next days?
22:28 < valentin> i wanted to spend at most half of the day (for day in di do fr)
22:29 < valentin> tue thu fri even
22:29 < valentin> for the international folks
22:34 < rxr> X on a OpenGL only implementation is cooking quite on the x.org list today ..
22:38 < daja77> .oO (snooker rocks)
22:38 < rxr> daja77: ?
22:39 < rxr> Applying adjustment of 1.77dB to jaenette5.wav...
22:39 < daja77> just watching it on eurosport
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22:40 < rxr> daja77: yeah, did so last year - and wondered how one can play the ball so precicely ...
22:40 < daja77> yep
22:41 < daja77> the wm this year was great
22:41 < rxr> ouhm - now this damn program destroyed the .wav ...
22:42 * rxr needs to work on gsmp ...
22:45 < rxr> valentin: U30 load here:
22:45 < rxr> top - 22:45:52 up 3 days, 12:21, 10 users, load average: 3.11, 2.92, 2.45
22:45 < rxr> Tasks: 101 total, 4 running, 97 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
22:45 < rxr> Cpu(s): 91.5% user, 8.5% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle, 0.0% IO-wait
23:16 < CIA-8> rene * r4624 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/sparc-kbd.patch:
23:16 < CIA-8> * fixed the just comitted xorg patch, I should actually start the
23:16 < CIA-8> build for hand edited patches to review if they apply ...
23:16 < rxr> `- valentin ...
23:18 < valentin> what ?
23:20 < rxr> xorg sparc fix
23:20 < rxr> because /me was too stupid to commit an applyable patch
23:20 < valentin> ok, me away now
23:21 < rxr> n8 - sleep well to gather strength fo the glibc fight
23:21 < valentin> it is just compiling. my sparc is sheduled for power down in 120 minutes
23:21 < valentin> if you want to log in before and take a look
23:21 < valentin> cu
23:22 < rxr> in 120 minutes?
23:22 < rxr> that might not be enough for the build ...
23:22 < rxr> why not loop for a low cpu load?
23:22 < rxr> or I usually just cut
23:22 < rxr> 'n paste the shutdown in the terminal the make is running ... :-)
23:26 < valentin> rxr: it runs for more than two hours now
23:26 < valentin> at least i'll know if the error is still there.
23:26 < valentin> gn8
23:29 < rxr> cool:
23:29 < rxr> The PPC Diagnostics project provides hardware diagnostics for embedded Power PC-based systems (particularly the 855/860T series). These diagnostics include SDRAM, NVRAM, ethernet, and LED tests. They support power-up and burn-in testing, and store error log information for unattended operation. Additionally, system journal information may be stored in NVRAM for recording modification history, the serial number, and board revision information.
23:53 < CIA-8> rene * r4625 /trunk/package/graphic/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
23:53 < CIA-8> * updated sane-frontends (1.0.12 -> 1.0.13)
23:53 < CIA-8> * updated sane-backends (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15)
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23:57 < rxr> n8 all
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