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09:50 < rxr> moin
09:57 < gw> moin rxr
09:57 < rxr> hi gw!
09:58 < gw> how are you doing?
09:58 < rxr> fine, thanks - and you, too?
09:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/pngnq.html
09:59 < gw> good, thanks.... can't complain (maybe a bit too busy for my taste .... but there is christmas soon.... which means no work for a week or two :)
09:59 < rxr> :-)
10:01 < rxr> pretty snowy over here, ...
10:01 < rxr> guess you can enjoy some sunshine :-?
10:01 < gw> yeah... heard so..... it's wet here
10:02 < gw> if it would not rain that much yes....
10:02 < rxr> oh :-(
10:03 < gw> kinda strange wheather.... Europe sinks in snow, and down under is being flooded
10:03 < rxr> yeah, ... wondering if the trend back to more snow in Europe will continue the next years, ...
10:03 < gw> at least you get white christmas (most probably)....
10:03 < gw> does not happen that often
10:04 < rxr> yeah, not in the last 1 1/2 decades ... :-)
10:04 < gw> true.... in my memories it was more a brownish wet muddy christmas :)
10:04 < rxr> heh
10:04 < rxr> -- are you still using t2, I hope?
10:04 < gw> now it's normally a scorhing chritmas ):... but still fun
10:04 < gw> scorching
10:05 < gw> I have a hevily customised T2 running on a very oldish Athlon MP....
10:05 < gw> but i have got a new machine her... maybe it's time to run it in a VM  :)
10:05 < gw> (it's a macbook pro)
10:06 < rxr> ah, changing camps?
10:06 < gw> well since OSX is a certified Unix, and ports is running on it..... :)
10:07 < gw> it's only halfway away :)
10:07 < rxr> yeah, I use it, too :-)
10:07 < gw> and I have to say Emacs is really nice on OSX ;)
10:07 < rxr> the built-in composition manager rocks, too :-) in that it is not as slow as the mess that is anything on mesa3d, ...
10:08 < gw> :)
10:08 < rxr> got for retaining an onverview over all those Terminal and VNC windows :-)
10:08 < rxr> s/got/good/
10:08 < gw> hehe....
10:09 < gw> I am still thinking about a good binary package format for T2......
10:09 < CIA-36> rene * r38263 /trunk/package/graphic/pngnq/pngnq.desc: * updated pngnq (0.5 -> 1.0)
10:10 < CIA-36> rene * r38264 /trunk/package/audio/libogg/libogg.desc: * updated libogg (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
10:10 < CIA-36> rene * r38265 /trunk/package/xorg/xproto/xproto.desc: * updated xproto (7.0.19 -> 7.0.20)
10:10 < gw> in my customised version I hacked an RPM generator into it.... It's nice, you can auto generate runtime dependencies... (not on packages, but on files...)
10:10 < gw> works out nice...
10:10 < rxr> oh
10:11 < gw> I have the standard build tree to build packages, and install em afterwards on the life system with normal package managament....
10:11 < gw> the only big problem is config files....
10:12 < gw> (and generating rpm-source pacrkages might be problematic too)
10:13 < gw> I had the idea of having a build-machine, and distribute ready made binary packages to the running systems afterwards.... this allows also for some easy testing and reverting if there are problems...
10:14 < gw> would this be something to follow up on?
10:15 < rxr> aside that I'm not so much a fan of RPM, ...
10:15 < rxr> but adding more output options should be a good thing in any case
10:15 < rxr> if it works out nicely, ...
10:15 < gw> m neither, but it's the only format I have found that supports dependency management on installed files... and not necessarily on packages
10:16 < gw> or better on provided files... not package names
10:17 < gw> e.g. a binary requires libopenldap.so.6, then rpm would look for a pakcage that provides this file.... (no need to add a dependency on openldap-x.y-whatever.rpm ....
10:17 < rxr> we couls also just replace mine with something more modern, flexible
10:18 < gw> that might be a better alternative.... :)... (I am just lazy and tend to re use already available stuff)
10:18 < gw> ;)
10:19 < rxr> yeah, which certainly is good re-use of resources
10:19 < rxr> I like our plain tar format though, scales pretty good for me at least
10:19 < rxr> and the rewrite of mine is long overdue
10:19 < rxr> (e.g. in Lua for several reasons)
10:19 < gw> and rpm comes with a nice set of scripts, that scans all files (binary, perl, python, etc... and figures out which files it needs to ldopen, import whatever.... relly handy :) )
10:19 < rxr> we could just add some better dependency features into it
10:20 < gw> I think runtime dependencies would be great....
10:20 < gw> build time dependencies are already in there... that's ok....
10:22 < gw> do you know, how arch or slack handles run time dependencies?
10:22 < CIA-36> rene * r38266 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.4.20 -> 2.4.21)
10:22 < CIA-36> rene * r38267 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.14.4 -> 0.14.5)
10:22 < rxr> no, did not look closely
10:23 < gw> afaik there package format is pretty plain tar too
10:23 < rxr> slack may simply hardcode them in some file in the .tar, I'd guess
10:23 < gw> most likely :)
10:23 < rxr> at least slack, yes
10:24 < gw> ah... another reason for rpm was to make it easier to integrate commercial packages.....
10:25 < CIA-36> rene * r38268 /trunk/package/mail/dovecot/dovecot.desc: * updated dovecot (2.0.7 -> 2.0.8)
10:25 < gw> well... I have some mor thoughts about it.... if there is enough time, I'll resurrect my rpm work and create a patch for current trunk.... (just to let others test it too :) )
10:25 < rxr> :-)
10:26 < gw> time for dinner....chat to you later...
10:40 < rxr> cu
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14:04 < redwil> hello again. have a build problem for orbit2: the package configure script complains about missing libIDL (at the stage where checking for ORBIT_IDL) (hoste: opensuse, target: c3, t2: head)
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14:51 < rxr> redwil: I guess in stage 0 ?
15:58 < redwil> rxr: sorry i guess so if stage 0 is the one package configuration script is run
15:59 < redwil> rxr: it say something about PKG_CONFIG_PATH or ORBIT_IDL_CFLAGS to be changed
16:01 < redwil> I checked and the libidl is on the dependancy list and I am wandering if I need to add a patch or just dig into the T2 build scripts
16:17 < redwil> sorry actualy this is a forced cross build so it should be stage 1 maybe
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20:37 < orici> patch http://pastebin.com/Eudm8aMQ
21:50 < CIA-36> rene * r38269 /trunk/package/gnome2/libidl/libidl.desc: * changed libidl to bootsrap in stage 0 for cross-builds, likewise
21:51 < rxr> applied, thanks!
21:52 < CIA-36> rene * r38270 /trunk/package/security/openssl/openssl.desc: * updated openssl (1.0.0b -> 1.0.0c)
21:52 < rxr> redwil: that is supposedly addressed with r38269, though we may later only build those 0 stages for real cros-builds
21:52 < rxr> not just for the fun of it in native builds, ...
22:05 < redwil> rxr: I'm using suse11.2 for now as my main desktop system. It seems it will not build gcc-4.5 due to mpc lib (is at 0.7.1 but the build requires 0.8+). BTW what is the 'official' dev platform?. I will get the latest svn and try again
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