T2 IRC Log: 2010-07-26
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--- Log opened Mon Jul 26 00:00:49 2010
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02:51 < Toonami> Hello. Is there anyone who would be willing answer some questions I have about t2?
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10:54 < rxr> re
10:54 < rxr> Toonami: yes
11:00 < rxr> general rule of thumb: just ask, do not ask to ask :-) and mailing lists are in general pretty famour for helping answering questions asynchronously, e.g. when other wake up :-)
12:12 < CIA-33> rene * r36947 /trunk/package/archiver/cabextract/cabextract.desc: * updated cabextract (1.2 -> 1.3)
12:13 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/cabextract.html
12:23 < CIA-33> rene * r36948 /trunk/package/lua/ (lua-pcre/lua-pcre.desc lua-rx/lua-rx.desc): * marked lua-rx and lua-pcre FPIC-QUIRK
12:24 < CIA-33> rene * r36949 /trunk/package/graphic/ilmbase/ilmbase.desc: * updated ilmbase (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
12:41 < CIA-33> rene * r36950 /trunk/package/xorg/xrandr/ (compile.patch xrandr.desc): * updated xrandr (1.3.2 -> 1.3.3)
12:41 < CIA-33> rene * r36951 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
12:42 < CIA-33> aldas * r36952 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.18.1 -> 1.1.19)
12:49 < CIA-33> rene * r36953 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * marked gnocl, luasql and multican FPIC-QUIRK
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13:47 < Baldzius> moin
13:47 < rogermason> Hello all. Still trying to boot a machine that won't boot with grub. I made a usb install key for trunk. Trunk on the key has lilo. I boot from the usb key and run stone, but do not install grub when asked. I untar lilo from the install key into the ramdisk's /etc and create an etc/lilo.conf file. When I try to umount the root filesystem (umount /mnt/target/) I'm told the device is busy. Indeed, /mnt/target/dev is mounted and
13:47 < rogermason> won't umount. Any ideas?
13:55 < Baldzius> you can't umount /dev?
13:56 < rxr> Baldzius: does qt4 build in your tree?
13:57 < Baldzius> I think it did
13:57 < Baldzius> never had any problems with it
13:57 < rxr> Baldzius: it does in my main working copy, but on a second, very clean reference test it fails with some "xml stuff is eabled but execptions are not, please build with --enable-exceptions, ..."#
13:57 < Baldzius> hm
13:58 < Baldzius> I remember this error
13:58 < rxr> me neither, until this box's build
13:58 < rogermason> umount /dev -> /mnt/target/dev/: device is busy
13:58 < rxr> QtXmlPatterns was requested, but it can't be built due to exceptions being disabled.
13:58 < Baldzius> I have to clean build on VM
13:58 < Baldzius> none of them crashed on QT
13:58 < Baldzius> s/to/two/
13:58 < rxr> ok, thanks
13:58 < rxr> will continue to take a look on it
13:59 < Baldzius> both 8 and trunk
13:59 < Baldzius> but I had this error before
13:59 < Baldzius> rogermason: is lsof available?
14:00 < rogermason> Unfortunately, no.
14:00 < Baldzius> maybe rxr has any ideas?
14:01 < rxr> what's the prob?
14:01 < rxr> I just came back from lunch
14:02 < Baldzius> rogermason has some problems unmounting /mnt/target/dev
14:02 < rxr> maybe an shell still left with working directory in there ?
14:03 < rogermason> how do I find out?
14:03 < rxr> did you run a shell manually?
14:04 < rxr> changed to another VT, do stuff there?
14:04 < rxr> just toggle thru the VT ans see what path in the prompt you see
14:04 < rxr> did you start anything else manually?
14:06 < rxr> Baldzius: I did some attempts to improve Emerge experience the last days, including getting new, less noisy .cache files into the trunk
14:06 < Baldzius> yeah I saw that
14:06 < Baldzius> good stuff
14:07 < rxr> more to come
14:07 < rxr> we need to get this end-user experience a little btter to attract more real users, beside the successful use in the embedded device space :-)
14:09 < rogermason> I only used 1 VT. I ran stone, declined to install grub (because I need lilo instead). untarr'd lilo from the install medium into the ramdisk. Created a etc/lilo.conf witk zile, then tried to umount /mnt/target so I can run lilo to install it to the mbr.
14:10 < rxr> strange
14:10 < rxr> you are done right?
14:10 < rxr> you could run "sync" and just reboo then, ...
14:12 < rogermason> but I must run lilo or the machine won't boot from hd. As far as I understand, lilo has to be run on an unmounted device.
14:13 < rxr> hm - have not uses lilo in ages
14:13 < rxr> though in theory T2 has lilo installation support anyway
14:14 < Baldzius> never liked and never used lilo
14:14 < rxr> well, 10y ago I did use lilo, too, long time though :-)
14:14 < rxr> rogermason: did you inject lilo using a real t2 package?
14:14 < rxr> the t2 package has stone menu support and should be possible to configure smoothly
14:15 < rxr> at least it worked the last time I tested it
14:15 < rogermason> I built lilo in trunk. Is that what you mean?
14:15 < rxr> and you already installed (unpacked it?)
14:17 < rogermason> As I said, I untarred it manually from the pkg directory on the install medium.
14:18 < rxr> which pkg directory do you mean?
14:20 < rogermason> /mnt/source/9.0-trunk-generic-x86-linux/pkgs/
14:21 < rxr> hm - don't know if that gives you anything
14:21 < rogermason> well, I have lilo in the ramdisk's sbin directory.
14:21 < rxr> beside placing the vanilla tar there (but I think that would not make the installer pick it up) the most quick thing would be to untar it in the new root, /mnt/target
14:22 < rxr> is lilo inside this self build media?
14:22 < rxr> if so it should have been just inatlled and stone ask you whether to set lilo up, ...
14:23 < rogermason> untaring in /mnt/target is no use if I must run lilo on the unmounted device.
14:24 < rogermason> I was never offered the chance to set up any bootloader other than grub. I don't know what you mean by "is lilo inside..."
14:26 < rxr> lilo need to be installed in the newly installed system
14:26 < rxr> also I do not think lilo has anything todo with unmounting
14:26 < rxr> in fact it is certainly ever installed from inside a running system
14:26 < rxr> if you unpack lilo in /mn/target
14:26 < rxr> and re-run stone it will certainly ask you whether to setup ilo
14:26 < rxr> lilo even
14:27 < rogermason> OK, I will try that.
14:44 < rogermason> Yes! It worked like a charm. many, many thanks. I take it that stone reconfigures itself depending what is found on /mnt/target/?
14:49 < rxr> stone is only the skeleton, the packages install plugins, so there is a grub "plugin", lilo "plugin", ...
14:50 < rxr> so yes, you can call that "reconfigures itself"
18:48 < CIA-33> aldas * r36954 /trunk/package/filesystem/nilfs-utils/nilfs-utils.desc: * updated nilfs-utils (2.0.13 -> 2.0.18)
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19:35 < CIA-33> aldas * r36956 /trunk/package/network/ntp/ntp.desc: * updated ntp (4.2.6p1 -> 4.2.6p2)
19:35 < CIA-33> aldas * r36957 /trunk/package/network/keepalived/ (keepalived.desc locations.patch): * updated keepalived (1.1.13 -> 1.2.0)
19:43 < CIA-33> aldas * r36959 /trunk/package/network/hostapd/hostapd.desc: * updated hostapd (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
19:45 < CIA-33> aldas * r36955 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (3.1.4 -> 3.1.5)
19:52 < CIA-33> aldas * r36962 /trunk/package/network/jpilot/jpilot.desc: * updated jpilot (1.6.2 -> 1.8.0)
20:01 < CIA-33> aldas * r36963 /trunk/package/network/snownews/ (snownews.conf snownews.desc): * updated snownews (1.5.11 -> 1.5.12)
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20:18 < CIA-33> aldas * r36961 /trunk/package/network/pilot-link/pilot-link.desc: * updated pilot-link (0.12.3 -> 0.12.5)
20:18 < CIA-33> aldas * r36960 /trunk/package/network/argus/ (argus-makefile.patch argus.desc pcap-bpf.patch): * updated argus (2.0.6 -> 3.0.2)
20:18 < CIA-33> aldas * r36958 /trunk/package/network/duplicity/duplicity.desc: * updated duplicity (0.6.08 -> 0.6.09)
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21:56 < koan> any tips about getting the keyboard working in X?
21:56 < koan> I use the kbd driver, and according to the Xorg log X recognizes the keyboard, but I can't type anything
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23:54 < koan> ok after rebuilding hal it works
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02:51 < Toonami> Hello. Is there anyone who would be willing answer some questions I have about t2?
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10:54 < rxr> re
10:54 < rxr> Toonami: yes
11:00 < rxr> general rule of thumb: just ask, do not ask to ask :-) and mailing lists are in general pretty famour for helping answering questions asynchronously, e.g. when other wake up :-)
12:12 < CIA-33> rene * r36947 /trunk/package/archiver/cabextract/cabextract.desc: * updated cabextract (1.2 -> 1.3)
12:13 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/cabextract.html
12:23 < CIA-33> rene * r36948 /trunk/package/lua/ (lua-pcre/lua-pcre.desc lua-rx/lua-rx.desc): * marked lua-rx and lua-pcre FPIC-QUIRK
12:24 < CIA-33> rene * r36949 /trunk/package/graphic/ilmbase/ilmbase.desc: * updated ilmbase (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
12:41 < CIA-33> rene * r36950 /trunk/package/xorg/xrandr/ (compile.patch xrandr.desc): * updated xrandr (1.3.2 -> 1.3.3)
12:41 < CIA-33> rene * r36951 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
12:42 < CIA-33> aldas * r36952 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.18.1 -> 1.1.19)
12:49 < CIA-33> rene * r36953 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * marked gnocl, luasql and multican FPIC-QUIRK
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13:47 < Baldzius> moin
13:47 < rogermason> Hello all. Still trying to boot a machine that won't boot with grub. I made a usb install key for trunk. Trunk on the key has lilo. I boot from the usb key and run stone, but do not install grub when asked. I untar lilo from the install key into the ramdisk's /etc and create an etc/lilo.conf file. When I try to umount the root filesystem (umount /mnt/target/) I'm told the device is busy. Indeed, /mnt/target/dev is mounted and
13:47 < rogermason> won't umount. Any ideas?
13:55 < Baldzius> you can't umount /dev?
13:56 < rxr> Baldzius: does qt4 build in your tree?
13:57 < Baldzius> I think it did
13:57 < Baldzius> never had any problems with it
13:57 < rxr> Baldzius: it does in my main working copy, but on a second, very clean reference test it fails with some "xml stuff is eabled but execptions are not, please build with --enable-exceptions, ..."#
13:57 < Baldzius> hm
13:58 < Baldzius> I remember this error
13:58 < rxr> me neither, until this box's build
13:58 < rogermason> umount /dev -> /mnt/target/dev/: device is busy
13:58 < rxr> QtXmlPatterns was requested, but it can't be built due to exceptions being disabled.
13:58 < Baldzius> I have to clean build on VM
13:58 < Baldzius> none of them crashed on QT
13:58 < Baldzius> s/to/two/
13:58 < rxr> ok, thanks
13:58 < rxr> will continue to take a look on it
13:59 < Baldzius> both 8 and trunk
13:59 < Baldzius> but I had this error before
13:59 < Baldzius> rogermason: is lsof available?
14:00 < rogermason> Unfortunately, no.
14:00 < Baldzius> maybe rxr has any ideas?
14:01 < rxr> what's the prob?
14:01 < rxr> I just came back from lunch
14:02 < Baldzius> rogermason has some problems unmounting /mnt/target/dev
14:02 < rxr> maybe an shell still left with working directory in there ?
14:03 < rogermason> how do I find out?
14:03 < rxr> did you run a shell manually?
14:04 < rxr> changed to another VT, do stuff there?
14:04 < rxr> just toggle thru the VT ans see what path in the prompt you see
14:04 < rxr> did you start anything else manually?
14:06 < rxr> Baldzius: I did some attempts to improve Emerge experience the last days, including getting new, less noisy .cache files into the trunk
14:06 < Baldzius> yeah I saw that
14:06 < Baldzius> good stuff
14:07 < rxr> more to come
14:07 < rxr> we need to get this end-user experience a little btter to attract more real users, beside the successful use in the embedded device space :-)
14:09 < rogermason> I only used 1 VT. I ran stone, declined to install grub (because I need lilo instead). untarr'd lilo from the install medium into the ramdisk. Created a etc/lilo.conf witk zile, then tried to umount /mnt/target so I can run lilo to install it to the mbr.
14:10 < rxr> strange
14:10 < rxr> you are done right?
14:10 < rxr> you could run "sync" and just reboo then, ...
14:12 < rogermason> but I must run lilo or the machine won't boot from hd. As far as I understand, lilo has to be run on an unmounted device.
14:13 < rxr> hm - have not uses lilo in ages
14:13 < rxr> though in theory T2 has lilo installation support anyway
14:14 < Baldzius> never liked and never used lilo
14:14 < rxr> well, 10y ago I did use lilo, too, long time though :-)
14:14 < rxr> rogermason: did you inject lilo using a real t2 package?
14:14 < rxr> the t2 package has stone menu support and should be possible to configure smoothly
14:15 < rxr> at least it worked the last time I tested it
14:15 < rogermason> I built lilo in trunk. Is that what you mean?
14:15 < rxr> and you already installed (unpacked it?)
14:17 < rogermason> As I said, I untarred it manually from the pkg directory on the install medium.
14:18 < rxr> which pkg directory do you mean?
14:20 < rogermason> /mnt/source/9.0-trunk-generic-x86-linux/pkgs/
14:21 < rxr> hm - don't know if that gives you anything
14:21 < rogermason> well, I have lilo in the ramdisk's sbin directory.
14:21 < rxr> beside placing the vanilla tar there (but I think that would not make the installer pick it up) the most quick thing would be to untar it in the new root, /mnt/target
14:22 < rxr> is lilo inside this self build media?
14:22 < rxr> if so it should have been just inatlled and stone ask you whether to set lilo up, ...
14:23 < rogermason> untaring in /mnt/target is no use if I must run lilo on the unmounted device.
14:24 < rogermason> I was never offered the chance to set up any bootloader other than grub. I don't know what you mean by "is lilo inside..."
14:26 < rxr> lilo need to be installed in the newly installed system
14:26 < rxr> also I do not think lilo has anything todo with unmounting
14:26 < rxr> in fact it is certainly ever installed from inside a running system
14:26 < rxr> if you unpack lilo in /mn/target
14:26 < rxr> and re-run stone it will certainly ask you whether to setup ilo
14:26 < rxr> lilo even
14:27 < rogermason> OK, I will try that.
14:44 < rogermason> Yes! It worked like a charm. many, many thanks. I take it that stone reconfigures itself depending what is found on /mnt/target/?
14:49 < rxr> stone is only the skeleton, the packages install plugins, so there is a grub "plugin", lilo "plugin", ...
14:50 < rxr> so yes, you can call that "reconfigures itself"
18:48 < CIA-33> aldas * r36954 /trunk/package/filesystem/nilfs-utils/nilfs-utils.desc: * updated nilfs-utils (2.0.13 -> 2.0.18)
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19:35 < CIA-33> aldas * r36956 /trunk/package/network/ntp/ntp.desc: * updated ntp (4.2.6p1 -> 4.2.6p2)
19:35 < CIA-33> aldas * r36957 /trunk/package/network/keepalived/ (keepalived.desc locations.patch): * updated keepalived (1.1.13 -> 1.2.0)
19:43 < CIA-33> aldas * r36959 /trunk/package/network/hostapd/hostapd.desc: * updated hostapd (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
19:45 < CIA-33> aldas * r36955 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (3.1.4 -> 3.1.5)
19:52 < CIA-33> aldas * r36962 /trunk/package/network/jpilot/jpilot.desc: * updated jpilot (1.6.2 -> 1.8.0)
20:01 < CIA-33> aldas * r36963 /trunk/package/network/snownews/ (snownews.conf snownews.desc): * updated snownews (1.5.11 -> 1.5.12)
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20:18 < CIA-33> aldas * r36961 /trunk/package/network/pilot-link/pilot-link.desc: * updated pilot-link (0.12.3 -> 0.12.5)
20:18 < CIA-33> aldas * r36960 /trunk/package/network/argus/ (argus-makefile.patch argus.desc pcap-bpf.patch): * updated argus (2.0.6 -> 3.0.2)
20:18 < CIA-33> aldas * r36958 /trunk/package/network/duplicity/duplicity.desc: * updated duplicity (0.6.08 -> 0.6.09)
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21:56 < koan> any tips about getting the keyboard working in X?
21:56 < koan> I use the kbd driver, and according to the Xorg log X recognizes the keyboard, but I can't type anything
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23:54 < koan> ok after rebuilding hal it works
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