--- Log opened Thu Nov 19 00:00:17 2009 01:27 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@zoidberg.org] has joined #t2 02:16 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@217.70.75.13] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 02:56 -!- digitaloktay_ [n=noip@dslb-088-064-175-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 04:24 -!- synchris [n=synchris@pdpc/supporter/professional/synchris] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:20 -!- synchris [n=synchris@188.4.33.107] has joined #t2 06:23 < mj-netbits_> moin 09:47 < rxr> moin 10:12 < mjungwirth_> hi rxr 10:13 < rxr> heyho 10:13 < mjungwirth_> have you seen my last message (at 21:20) 10:15 < rxr> mc-mp might be a generic e2fs lib incomaptibility, API change, nto optimization 10:15 < rxr> needs to be fixed indeed, need to check taglib 10:56 -!- tfl0pz [n=tfl0pz@77-85-4-71.btc-net.bg] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:14 -!- Baldzius [n=aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #t2 11:14 < Baldzius> moin 11:15 < rxr> hi Baldzius 11:15 < Baldzius> moin rxr 11:15 < rxr> Baldzius: for the vm, how much cpu power do yo need for it to be useful ? 11:16 < Baldzius> I don't really know, whatever suits you 11:16 < rxr> 2 cores, 3 cores, ...? 11:16 < rxr> I mean a rough number, like faster what you have 11:16 < Baldzius> 2 cores should be fine I'd say 11:16 < rxr> or that it is always on, ... 11:17 < Baldzius> always on? 11:17 < rxr> compared to your laptop 11:17 < rxr> just to have some number from where it starts to be useful 11:17 < Baldzius> well my laptop builds pretty fast 11:17 < rxr> to scale the other VMs down and plug in your former openvz container 11:17 < Baldzius> but it was fine as it was 11:18 < rxr> you mean the VM was fine ? 11:18 < Baldzius> yeah 11:18 < rxr> yeah, you got 7 cores I think 11:18 < Baldzius> only I/O was little dodgy 11:18 < rxr> though KVM eats too much performance on this stupid Intel Xeon ... 11:18 < rxr> (gotta get some AMD massive-core, ...) 11:18 < Baldzius> cpu wise? 11:18 < rxr> yeah, Intel VT sucks ... 11:18 < Baldzius> lovely 11:18 < rxr> anyway, the problem was that it was inside a openvz container 11:19 < rxr> like freebsd jail or solaris container 11:19 < rxr> and this "monster linux kernel patch" that openvz is was hightly instable 11:19 < rxr> and that while I was even using their last official, totally outdated 2.6.18 patch 11:19 < rxr> so I had to take the last openvz container (yours :-) down 11:19 < Baldzius> oh yeah, that's fine 11:20 < rxr> and I can not give you that much CPU back as bare KVM partition, as is's not as flexible as the old more softer scaling container was 11:20 < rxr> unless I ton this stpuid Xeon, and get some cheaper, more poweful AMD Opterons, Phenoms, whatever 11:20 < rxr> which I should probably do in any case, sigh 11:21 < Baldzius> as I said, everything will suit me 11:21 < rxr> maybe I should even start some cloud server company :-) 11:21 < rxr> yeah, but I want to make it useful for you, so, ... 11:21 < Baldzius> well then I need to test it first to give any feedback 11:21 < rxr> ok will setup in the next days 11:21 < Baldzius> but in general I don't think I will complian much 11:22 < rxr> we can flex scale, even migrate then anway, way esier than the former openvz junk 11:22 < rxr> IO thruput sucked indeed 11:22 < rxr> if that remains to be a bottleneck I should think about a better IO virtualization and RAID setup 11:22 < Baldzius> reading stuff around seems IO suck for KVM too 11:22 < Baldzius> sucks* 11:22 < rxr> as I said, maybe i shoudl start some cloud service :-) 11:23 < rxr> well, the soft raid 5 as the base might not be the most performant setup to start with, ... 11:23 < rxr> btw. I actaully use the more performant virtio backend (in stead of IDE of SCSI emulation, ...) 11:25 < Baldzius> but it's not comming with kvm, 3rd party no? 11:25 < rxr> comes with kvm 11:25 < rxr> sine many versions 11:25 < rxr> but you need OS drivers (included in linux) 11:26 < Baldzius> ic 11:26 < rxr> e.g. you can not juset boot /install some olde Win 2k or old Linux with virtio 11:26 < rxr> maybe virtio still sucks, is suboptimal 11:26 < rxr> at least faster than IDE emulation :-) 11:29 < Baldzius> I am planning to play a little with kvm and xen after my studies done 11:29 < Baldzius> 2 evenings was fighting to get lates xen-tools to compile 11:29 < Baldzius> and still can't get it xompiled 11:30 < Baldzius> got stuck with nasty linking problem 11:30 < rxr> do you use xen=? 11:30 < Baldzius> after they implemented bz2/lzma 11:30 < Baldzius> no 11:30 < Baldzius> would like to try 11:30 < rxr> I have the feeling xen is ading out, most betting on kvm 11:31 < Baldzius> yeah, many thanks to Intel I can't use kvm on this laptop 11:32 < rxr> usually it's possible to hack / tweak / edit the BIOS, NVRAM to enable it 11:32 < rxr> which model? 11:32 < Baldzius> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5670 @ 1.80GHz 11:32 < Baldzius> no vt support according to wiki 11:32 < rxr> really? 11:33 < Baldzius> I trust wiki :) 11:33 < rxr> grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo 11:33 < Baldzius> and I am not going to tweak it as it's not my laptop 11:34 < Baldzius> I checked that the first day I got it 11:34 < Baldzius> blank 11:34 < rxr> hm 11:34 < Baldzius> I knew that there are no vt before it was bought 11:34 < rxr> I thought all core 2 duo have it 11:34 < Baldzius> no 11:34 < rxr> lol 11:34 < Baldzius> even new released cpus don't have it 11:34 < Baldzius> that's why I don't like Intel 11:35 < Baldzius> for doing this 11:35 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-01-15/intel-atom-no-64-bit-nor-vt/ 11:36 < Baldzius> it's a mess across it's all dektop and laptop cpu models 11:36 < Baldzius> very very stupid 11:36 < rxr> yeah 11:37 < rxr> still need to hack enable VT on the Nokia Booklet with Z series Atom which theoretically has VT 11:37 < rxr> but disabled by BIOS as so often for Z Atom BIOSs 11:38 < Baldzius> I am waiting for the day when amd introduces something good and cheap for netbooks 11:38 < rxr> Neo 11:38 < Baldzius> very limited availability 11:38 < Baldzius> only hp (compaq) has it 11:38 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-08-16/my-quest-for-a-usable-ntbk-continues/ 11:38 < Baldzius> at least here 11:38 < rxr> Wind U210 U230 11:39 < rxr> maybe some new Lenovo laptop 11:39 < rxr> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/18/lenovos-thinkpad-x100e-gets-detailed-amd-neo-based-not-a-netb/ 11:39 < rxr> acer ferrari one 11:40 < rxr> it's pure vendors not getting devices out 11:40 < Baldzius> expensive 11:40 -!- digitaloktay [n=arch@dslb-088-064-175-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 11:40 < rxr> probably all payed (getting extra discoun) by Intel 11:41 < rxr> Baldzius: the wind u210 (when soon or so shipping) should not be too expensive 11:42 < Baldzius> but it still has to come out? 11:42 < rxr> it's shipping in some countries for some time 11:42 < rxr> france or so 11:42 < rxr> maybe US / canada 11:42 < rxr> not in Germany 11:43 < Baldzius> I need to check it's availability in uk 11:43 < Baldzius> haven't noticed it yet 11:43 < Baldzius> and actually never heard of it 11:44 < Baldzius> it slipped through my eyes 11:59 < Baldzius> only u100 is available 12:03 < rxr> yeah, companies are strange 12:03 < rxr> not shipping the only barely usable products where people are waiting, ... 13:40 < mjungwirth_> rxr have you checked the taglib? 13:41 < rxr> you mean update it's cache file?= 13:43 < mjungwirth_> yes update for cmake 13:43 < rxr> Committed revision 34914. 13:44 < mjungwirth_> thanks 13:44 < Baldzius> we need to update cache files before heading for 8.0-branch 13:44 < mjungwirth_> is 8.0 released ? 13:49 < Baldzius> not yet 13:49 < mjungwirth_> is a release date defined ? 13:54 < Baldzius> it's very hard to stick with the plans 13:54 < Baldzius> originaly we were talking about october and today is november 13:54 < mjungwirth_> :) 13:55 < Baldzius> we could branch it today but it would involve massive merging I believe 13:55 < Baldzius> and it's time consuming 13:56 < Baldzius> maybe after my studies I'll have more free time 13:56 < Baldzius> exam should be in 3-4 weeks 13:56 < mjungwirth_> much luck for the exam 14:00 < rxr> some kind of sponsor for fulltime work would certainly help, like Google, Palm, etc. 14:00 < rxr> Baldzius: I have -rc2 builds mostly ready 14:00 < rxr> I hope the gcc-4.4 built kernels actually boot :-) 14:01 < rxr> though 2 problems anyway, silo on sparc64 and linux26 on ppc (IIRC) 14:01 < rxr> need to investigate 14:01 < rxr> want to tag -rc2 ASAP, hopefully also these days, like this weekend 14:01 < Baldzius> related with gcc update? 14:01 < rxr> yes, both issues should be due gcc-4.4 14:01 < rxr> ppc64, x86 and x86-64 did built, however 14:01 < rxr> only linux26 ppc and silo on sparc 14:02 < Baldzius> ic 14:02 < rxr> that is this are minimal builds 14:02 < Baldzius> I will test x86-64 when it comes out 14:02 < rxr> but during testing I'll emerge a lot, like xorg-server 14:02 < rxr> so those other packages will get some gcc-4.4 testing incl. run-time as well 14:09 < Baldzius> I need to set system for the laptop I got back from my sis 14:09 < Baldzius> so will also test some run-time bits 14:15 < CIA-17> rene * r34912 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.6.0 -> 1.6.1) 14:29 < CIA-17> aldas * r34916 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.desc: * updated php (5.3.0 -> 5.3.1) 14:34 < CIA-17> aldas * r34915 /trunk/package/network/ppp/ppp.desc: * updated ppp (2.4.4 -> 2.4.5) 15:05 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@217.70.75.13] has joined #t2 15:31 -!- Baldzius [n=aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:41 < CIA-17> aldas * r34918 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (5.1.40 -> 5.1.41) 16:54 < CIA-17> rene * r34908 /trunk/package/network/vsftpd/vsftpd.desc: * updated vsftpd (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2) 17:09 < CIA-17> aldas * r34917 /trunk/package/gnome2/gparted/gparted.desc: * updated gparted (0.4.7 -> 0.4.8) 17:09 < CIA-17> rene * r34911 /trunk/package/develop/eggdbus/eggdbus.desc: * updated eggdbus (0.5 -> 0.6) 17:09 < CIA-17> rene * r34910 /trunk/package/develop/xapian-omega/xapian-omega.desc: * updated xapian-omega (1.0.13 -> 1.0.17) 17:09 < CIA-17> rene * r34909 /trunk/package/develop/xapian-core/xapian-core.desc: * updated xapian-core (1.0.13 -> 1.0.17) 17:09 < CIA-17> rene * r34913 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.desc: * updated exim (4.69 -> 4.70) 17:13 < CIA-17> rene * r34914 /trunk/package/audio/taglib/taglib.cache: * updated taglib.cache, now requires cmake et al. 17:13 < mjungwirth_> yea 17:48 -!- T-One [n=T-One@62.218.122.66] has quit ["Verlassend"] 18:23 < CIA-17> rene * r34919 /trunk/package/base/tcl/tcl.desc: * updated tcl (8.5.7 -> 8.5.8) 18:23 < CIA-17> rene * r34920 /trunk/package/x11/tk/tk.desc: * updated tk (8.5.7 -> 8.5.8) 18:24 < CIA-17> rene * r34921 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.12.1 -> 0.12.2) 19:53 -!- digitaloktay [n=arch@dslb-088-064-175-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:57 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: koan 21:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan 22:17 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: koan 22:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan 22:27 -!- koan_ [n=koan@unaffiliated/koan] has joined #t2 22:33 -!- koan [n=koan@unaffiliated/koan] has quit [Connection refused] 23:44 -!- digitaloktay [n=noip@dslb-088-064-175-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Fri Nov 20 00:00:17 2009