--- Log opened Mon Nov 09 00:00:17 2009
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08:27 < mjungwirth> moin
08:39 < capey> morning
09:31 < rxr> moin
10:00 < CIA-28> rene * r34844 /trunk/package/graphic/epdfview/epdfview.desc: 
10:00 < CIA-28> Gerardo Di Iorio <arete74@gmail.com>:
10:00 < CIA-28> * updated epdfview (0.1.6 -> 0.1.7)
10:26 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Berlin/2009/20%20Years%20Fall%20of%20the%20Berlin%20Wall/
10:53 < CIA-28> rene * r34845 /trunk/package/gnome2/f-spot/f-spot.desc: * updated f-spot (0.6.1.3 -> 0.6.1.5)
10:58 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-09/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-berlin-walls/
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11:13 < CIA-28> rene * r34846 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.4.10 -> 2.4.11)
11:36 < rxr> 9http://t2-project.org/packages/virtualbox.html
11:38 < CIA-28> rene * r34847 /trunk/package/x86/flashrom/flashrom.desc: * updated flashrom (0.9.0 -> 0.9.1)
11:38 < CIA-28> rene * r34848 /trunk/package/develop/vala/vala.desc: * updated vala (0.7.7 -> 0.7.8)
11:38 < CIA-28> rene * r34849 /trunk/package/graphic/libsdl_mixer/libsdl_mixer.desc: * updated libsdl_mixer (1.2.9 -> 1.2.10)
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12:04 < Xor> hello all
12:04 -!- Xor is now known as Guest69410
12:07 < Guest69410> im getting a lot of "too few arguments" errors in some "xf86-input-xxx" packages
12:12 -!- Guest69410 is now known as Xor_
12:13 < rxr> some are deprecated upstream
12:13 < rxr> we might have to remove those, soon, if noone updates them to the new X.org ABI/API
12:19 < Xor_> can this errors affect to the final build? I am building a livecd generic target for second time. First time, the script Create-ISO returned an error.
12:19 < rxr> the ISO should create without those packages
12:25 < Xor_> Then i don't understand why create-iso returned this error:  Not a valid: <my-target> isofs.txt must exists
12:26 < rxr> because there is no isofs.txt in the build/.../TOOLCHAIN (or so) directory
12:26 < rxr> should be trival to review what went wrong at the end of the build
12:26 < rxr> which architecture do you build for?
12:28 < Xor_> x86-i486
12:28 < rxr> you have selected an installer or live image as output?
12:29 < Xor_> Do you refer to Target Distribution ?
12:30 < rxr> I think so, would need to lookup the exact menu name
12:33 < Xor_> Target Distribution: Generic System / Minimal-Xorg / livecd
12:33 < rxr> no
12:34 < rxr> (install)  Install CD / disks
12:34 < rxr> 3rd row or so
12:35 < Xor_> I have selected "Live CD", "Install CD/disks" is unchecked
12:46 < rxr> ok, livecd should be good, too
13:31 < csiadmin> hi everyone
13:31 < csiadmin> anybody know why I'm not getting a initrd.img file even though the rescue build completed successfully?
13:43 < Xor_> build finish with this message: "Creating isofs_arch.txt file .." but Create-Iso script says: isofs.txt must exist. What i'm doing wrong ?
13:58 < Xor_> I have make a soft link isofs.txt -> isofs_arch.txt and CreateISO seems to works fine
14:20 < rxr> did you modify the target build, or is this an unmodified build ?
14:20 < Xor_> this is a unmodified build
14:24 < Xor_> Why in the Config_cd1.iso does no exists the squash root file system if this is a cdlive iso?
14:27 < rxr> I can not magically answer why files are missing on your side, it just works here since years
14:27 < rxr> what linux do you build on?
14:34 < Xor_> I have T2 Linux as the base system
14:35 < Xor_> and working with t2-trunk
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15:18 < csiadmin> Could an build failure in stage 5 for mc-mp, be responsible for getting no initrd.img?
15:24 < csiadmin> ...hmm not sure this error has anything to do with it.
15:32 < rxr> no mc-mp should not affect this
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15:34 < Baldzius> moin
15:39 < rxr> hi Baldzius 
15:39 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-09/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-berlin-walls/
15:40 < Baldzius> hey rxr
15:43 < Baldzius> was trying to compile t2 on Ubuntu 9.10 64 bits yesterday
15:43 < Baldzius> everything went fine until it reached 2-gcc
15:43 < Baldzius> I see someone also pasted this error on 16th of October
15:43 < Baldzius> 22:48 < dpc> configure:7657: result: no
15:43 < Baldzius> 22:48 < dpc> configure:7821: checking dynamic linker characteristics
15:43 < Baldzius> 22:49 < dpc> configure:8239: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES.
15:48 < rxr> hm
15:58 < Baldzius> was googling but couldn't find anything useful
15:59 < Baldzius> it doesn't look to be trigered by bintutils update 
15:59 < Baldzius> and not sure if it has to do something with gcc as ubuntu runa on 4.4.1
15:59 < Baldzius> runs*
16:34 < Baldzius> rxr: btw is it possible to get installable 64 bits iso image on 32 bit host system with cross compile enabled with x86_64 cpu?
16:34 < Baldzius> never cross compiled before
16:35 < rxr> sure
16:35 < rxr> since 8.0-rc one can cross build bootable images
16:35 < rxr> all -rc images where fully cross built
16:36 < Baldzius> even powerpc or sparc?
16:38 < rxr> yepp
16:38 < rxr> all isos built on xeon 8-core
16:39 < Baldzius> would it create iso for bootstrap target?
16:40 < rxr> hm, no idea if bootstrap has enough for iso creation
16:41 < rxr> i built the minimal
16:41 < Baldzius> ok, will try myself
16:41 < Baldzius> thanks
16:41 < Baldzius> btw seems like mtr is preparing gcc-4.4 update
16:42 < Baldzius> not sure if he have mentioned something here
16:42 < rxr> yes, we discussed it yesterday or the night before :-)
16:43 < Baldzius> any dates mentioned?
16:48 < rxr> nope, just that he wanted to try to update :-)
16:48 < rxr> maybe it would be best to branch / tag the current stable state as 8.0 before the update, though
16:49 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/irclogs/t2-2009-11-07.html
16:49 < rxr> ^- mentioning gcc 4.4
16:49 < rxr> btw. I know that virtualbox does not install yet, just wanted to share the finally compiling package base for other to have a chance to contribute / finalize, too
16:50 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/virtualbox.html
16:53 < Baldzius> I'd say we shoudn't rush for branch
16:53 < Baldzius> merging involves huge work
16:53 < Baldzius> I remember when we were releasing 6.0
16:53 < Baldzius> that was 1 _busy_ month of merging
16:56 < Baldzius> but in general there's nothing much left to do : udev, orbit2 and some other small stuff
16:56 < Baldzius> I would really like to get my patch in for 8.0
16:57 < Baldzius> as I test instaltions from usb key
17:02 < rxr> ah yes, install right
17:02 < rxr> well, I'd like to finally have a nice stable major release (series)
17:02 < rxr> I do not want gcc-4.4 instability getting in beween that
17:03 < rxr> I guess the new library dependenceies of gcc-4.4 will certainly cause cross compile regressions
17:03 < CIA-28> rene * r34850 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.9.9 -> 5.10)
17:04 < Baldzius> hm
17:09 < csiadmin> guys, I'm using trunk to try to build a bootable initramfs, I'm getting no errors but don't get an initrd.img output - can anyone help?
17:13 < rxr> csiadmin: initramfs as target build output ?
17:13 < csiadmin> rxr: yeah
17:13 < rxr> hm - been some months, year?, since I last used it
17:14 < rxr> which target and package selection? maybe too huge?
17:15 < csiadmin> rxr: it's a custom build based on rescue (but with a few files in rootfs)
17:15 < rxr> did it built before?
17:15 < rxr> built and worked ?
17:16 < csiadmin> rxr: yes I built it recently without issue, it's very small ~100 packages
17:16 < rxr> and worked?
17:16 < rxr> booted and all?
17:17 < csiadmin> rxr: yep it was fine, I used it to install a bigger t2 build on some machines
17:17 < rxr> Xor_ also gets a build without isofs.txt stuff
17:17 < rxr> ok, I try to test myself ASAP
17:17 < rxr> though maybe a trivial typo?
17:17 < rxr> have you tried to trace where somethign goes wrong, aborts?
17:18 < csiadmin> rxr: Not yet - it says 'Creating output files...' then unmounts as normal
17:18 < rxr> maybe something as "stupid" as a bash-4.0 regression, ...
17:19 < csiadmin> rxr: I appreciate your help, don't have enough experience to know where to look (yet)
17:20 < rxr> csiadmin: you could start adding some echo "I'm here" things on the build.sh way to the final initrd creation
17:20 < rxr> maybe first try enabling this XTRACE config option, if you are lucky it gives a hitn
17:20 < rxr> hint
17:21 < rxr> maybe, thoug, the XTRACE has no effect in the "not building a package" scripts, though
17:21 < csiadmin> rxr: I had a look in target/share/build.sh - is this the build file you mean?
17:22 < rxr> and the initrd specific one
17:22 < rxr>  target/share/initrd/build.sh
17:22 < csiadmin> rxr: sorry that's the file I meant
17:23 < rxr> try enable XTRACE in the CONfig
17:23 < rxr> Config
17:23 < rxr> maybe you seee something new where it fails, stops
17:23 < rxr> if not start adding some "poor man's echo /tracepoints/"
17:24 < csiadmin> rxr: just ran a build with xtrace enabled...http://pastebin.ca/1663562
17:27 < rxr> we shoudl fix mc-mp :-)
17:27 < rxr> ok - not so intersting
17:28 < rxr> maybe something generic is wrong with output image creation as Xor_ also has proglems
17:28 < rxr> as it appears to be generic maybe bash 4.x related
17:28 < rxr> as my build server has an older root
17:29 < csiadmin> rxr: would it matter that I'm build a 32bit image on a 64bit machine?
17:29 < rxr> doubt
17:29 < rxr> I suspect some generic issue
17:29 < rxr> either something like bash-4 or recently introduced typo
17:29 < rxr> or cross vs. non-cross build typo etc
17:30 < rxr> as this is post the build it should be really possible to trace it down with some echo's and trial'n error
17:30 < rxr> question is, do I leave and go look at domino wall toppling :-)
17:30 < Xor_> now I'm trying with version 7.0 !
17:30 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-09/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-berlin-walls/
17:31 < csiadmin> rxr: I'll have a go at debugging the script - you should definitely check out the domino wall :-)
17:32 < rxr> well, it will be very^3 crowded there, 
17:32 < rxr> doubt I'll see anything :-) and I got pretty pictures yesterday :-)
17:32 < csiadmin> rxr: I had a look through the pictures already - looks great
17:33 < rxr> berlin feels great, too :-) though I only know it united
17:33 < rxr> was 9 when the wall fell, never visited east germany, or berlin before
17:33 < rxr> now living in berlin for nearly a decade, though
17:33 < rxr> time goes by pretty fast
17:34 < rxr> wow, I just read the domino bricks weight 20kg!
17:34 < csiadmin> rxr: I visited Berlin in May and had a great time, I thought the city had a great party atmosphere!
17:35 < rxr> definetly
17:35 < rxr> very multi-cultural and with a lot of students
17:35 < rxr> new people moving to berlin from everywherre
17:36 < rxr> it's like 3 universities, 2 unversities of applid science, and the additional medical schools etc.
17:36 < csiadmin> rxr: I thought everyone would have the day off work!
17:37 < rxr> today?
17:37 < csiadmin> rxr: yeah I thought it'd be a public holiday
17:37 < rxr> well, public holiday celebrating the reunation is the 2nd october
17:38 < csiadmin> rxr: ah I see - I remember watching the wall come down on the news, I was 14 at the time
17:40 < rxr> then you're some years old than I'm .-)
17:40 < rxr> as I mentioned in my blog post this year(s) quite some thing come together
17:41 < rxr> 60 years federal republic of germany (post WWII) 20 years since fall of the wall, and next year it will be 20 years since reunification
17:42 < csiadmin> rxr: plenty to celebrate, the celebrations are getting lots of coverage here on tv
17:42 < rxr> nice
17:43 < csiadmin> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2009/walls_around_the_world/default.stm
17:43 < csiadmin> ...plenty more walls to come down
17:43 < rxr> yeah
17:44 < rxr> with the german wall 20 years ago a way larger icon curtain fell
17:44 < rxr> making europe, the world a way opener place
17:45 < csiadmin> rxr: absolutely
17:45 < rxr> http://www.google.de/logos/berlinwall09-hp.gif
17:45 < rxr> ^- german dodle (google.de) image of the day
17:46 < csiadmin> rxr: very cool
17:49 < csiadmin> rxr: will try to debug and let you know how I get on tomorrow.  As always thanks for your assistance :-)
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22:01 < mtr> hi
22:02 < mtr> gcc-4.4 build minimal+x is ready ;-)
22:03 < mtr> the ppl and cloog libraries even do cross build, an embedded target works as well
22:07 < mtr> rxr: from what you wrote this afternoon about the branching strategy I'll withhold the gcc update commit
22:08 < mtr> rxr: maybe I should commit the ppl and cloog-ppl packages, prepare the 2-line patch for gcc.conf, and you could give it a try on your reference builder
22:09 < mtr> ah, there is an open issue i had: as ppl needs the host g++ i got "undefined references to __sync_fetch_and_add_4"
22:10 < mtr> usually setting -march=i686 solves this for me
22:10 < mtr> is it in general safe to use "-march=$HOSTTYPE" (for sparc, ppc, et. al.) ?
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