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09:52 < rxr> re
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09:52 [ dsoul   ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr     ] [ synchris] [ |beowulf|] 
09:52 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
10:47 < Skaperen> re
10:47 < rxr> hi
10:47 < Skaperen> how's it going
10:47 < rxr> same procedure as every day ._)
10:48 < Skaperen> I see kvm in many package changes
10:49 < rxr> yep, was a busy night
10:56 < Skaperen> has qemu been troublesome in 64 bit?
11:08 < rxr> nope, just kvm is now usable with kqemu on i386 (32bit)
11:08 < Skaperen> doesn't do 64 bit?
11:10 < rxr> there are still non 64 bit CPUs out there?
11:10 < Skaperen> of course ... and I have some
11:11 < Skaperen> I heard that virtualbox 32-bit version will fail when running with 32-bit libs (even a 32-bit only) when the kernel is 64-bit
11:11 < rxr> I'm not particularly intesrted in virtualbox :-) ... no idea what problems it has :-)
11:11 < Skaperen> e.g. on a pure 32 bit system, change the kernel to 64 bit with 32 bit compatibility, and virtualbox won't run
11:11 < Skaperen> well, I'll eventually play around with it
11:12 < rxr> I usually use Qemu/KVM - also nice to hack on
11:12 < Skaperen> it needs to have 32 bit kernel when running 32 bit version ... and obviously 64 bit kernel for 64 bit version
11:12 < rxr> kqemu/kvm work in this combination for some time already
11:12 < Skaperen> bit that's only for 32-bit
11:13 < Skaperen> but
11:14 < rxr> ?
11:14 < rxr> kqemu / kvm do 64bit without a problem
11:14 < Skaperen> you can only emulate 32 bit system with kqemu/kvm on a 32 bit system
11:15 < rxr> no
11:15 < rxr> in the slower full emulation mode running 64bit or even ARM and PowerPC or even SPARC etc. for ages
11:15 < Skaperen> with with the acceleration, host and guest must be matched
11:16 < rxr> in kqemu/kvm?, no
11:16 < Skaperen> though I'm not sure about 64 bit host and 32 bit guest ... maybe that could work
11:16 < rxr> guest can be 32bit on 64bit hosts
11:17 < Skaperen> but if host is 32 then guest must be 32 for acceleration ... otherwise do full slow emulation (like I'm doing now for preparing for my 64 bit upgrade)
11:18 < rxr> yeom but virtualbox should be slow in that combination, too, no ?
11:19 < Skaperen> what I hear is virtualbox won't even run at all in that combination (32 bit host, 64 bit guest)
11:19 < rxr> I read something that the latest version allows it
11:20 < rxr> but I would be supprised if it is much faster than qemu in that config
11:20 < Skaperen> ok, maybe they have since fixed it
11:20 < Skaperen> yeah, I've heard it is faster than qemu overall
11:20 < rxr> not much, I heared it's not too stable
11:21 < Skaperen> anyway, time is 5.22 here (USA) ... and I am heading to bed
11:21 < rxr> good night
11:23 < CIA-23> rene * r32071 /trunk/target/archivista/pkg_kvm.conf: 
11:23 < CIA-23> * work around missing T2 support for proper differentiation between
11:23 < CIA-23> normal package inheritance and alternative config file names
11:33 < CIA-23> rene * r32072 /trunk/package/gnome2/libcroco/libcroco.desc: * updated libcroco (0.6.1 -> 0.6.2)
11:34 < CIA-23> rene * r32073 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (3.0.STABLE12 -> 3.0.STABLE13)
11:35 < CIA-23> rene * r32074 /trunk/package/graphic/ghostscript/ghostscript.desc: * updated ghostscript (8.63 -> 8.64)
11:41 < CIA-23> rene * r32075 /trunk/package/base/libraw1394/libraw1394.desc: * updated libraw1394 (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
12:12 < CIA-23> rene * r32076 /trunk/package/xorg/ (libxext/libxext.desc xextproto/xextproto.desc): 
12:12 < CIA-23> * reverted r31981 (updated xextproto (7.0.4 -> 7.0.5)), as it breaks
12:12 < CIA-23> the currently stable libxext
12:12 < CIA-23> * added notes, also to libxext that the pending update is incompatible
12:12 < CIA-23> with the current release libx11
12:37 < CIA-23> rene * r32077 /trunk/package/emulators/kvm/kvm.conf: * check for acpica for kvm bios-mac, likewise
12:39 < CIA-23> rene * r32078 /trunk/package/emulators/kvm/kvm.conf: * updated kvm warning about missing packages to reflect that acpica might be missing
12:42 < CIA-23> rene * r32079 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: 
12:42 < CIA-23> * warn gracefully about non-matching -job spec in Build-Target instead
12:42 < CIA-23> of not doing anything at all
12:44 < CIA-23> rene * r32080 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.desc: * updated evolution (2.24.3 -> 2.24.4)
12:45 < CIA-23> rene * r32081 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * updated evolution-data-server (2.24.3 -> 2.24.4.1)
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12:51 < CIA-23> rene * r32082 /trunk/package/mail/ssmtp/ssmtp.desc: * updated ssmtp (2.62-2.2 -> 2.62-3)
12:51 < CIA-23> rene * r32083 /trunk/package/filesystem/sshfs/sshfs.desc: * updated sshfs (2.1 -> 2.2)
12:58 [Users #t2]
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13:19 < CIA-23> rene * r32084 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.19.51.0.1 -> 2.19.51.0.2)
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--- Log opened Thu Feb 05 14:17:58 2009
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16:43 < rxr> hm - super
16:43 < rxr> we have 2 Linksys switch in the office, both are defect, now
16:43 < rxr> ...
16:43 < rxr> http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Switches&thread.id=3122&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
16:44 < rxr> Linksys SD2008 v2.1 - what a fun
17:08 < CIA-23> rene * r32086 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/ (no-reconfigure.patch python26.patch): 
17:08 < CIA-23> * fixed scribus not to run configure without our options
17:08 < CIA-23> * fixed scribus to pick up python 2.6
17:08 < CIA-23> rene * r32085 /trunk/package/emulators/kvm/always-compatfd.patch: * polished kvm/always-compatfd.patch, for possible upstream submission
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17:11 < rxr> http://help.wugnet.com/windows2/Generic-Windows-98-Product-Key-ftopict490835.html
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19:43 < CIA-23> rene * r32087 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/ (4 files): 
19:43 < CIA-23> * migrated scribus not to use the very broken autconf/automake build
19:43 < CIA-23> "system", but cmake available in scribus for some minor releases,
19:43 < CIA-23> which is less headache and actually produces functional plugins
19:46 < rxr> ok - at this pace we can publish some "shinier than ubuntu" netbook edition in a week or two :-)
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19:51 < Skaperen> yay ... for which netbook(s) ?
19:51 < rxr> was just joking .-9
19:52 < Skaperen> :-) ... how about that HP 2140?
19:53 < Skaperen> I'm hoping to use T2 to make very customized installs ... after I learn how it works (haven't put the time into it, yet) I'll be tweaking and hacking ... including adding my own packages, hacking other stuff, new init scripts, too
19:53 < Skaperen> for servers, desktops, netbooks, routers, etc
19:54 < rxr> Skaperen: you mean because I liek the 2140, or you, too ?
19:54 < rxr> (but just "Intel Atom based laptops" would already define quite a broad compatible class ... :-)
19:54 < Skaperen> I could like it ... I do like the Acer Aspire One ... but the larger screen in the same form factor is a plus
19:54 < Skaperen> and more battery capacity
19:56 < Skaperen> just need to watch out for that funny video chip Intel came out with targetted for Atom based netbooks that has Linux driver troubles because they really got the technology from another company and its closed spec
19:56 < rxr> powervr
19:56 < Skaperen> yeah, that one
19:56 < rxr> pulsbo chip
19:56 < Skaperen> but the 2140 appeared to be using the 950 chip
19:56 < rxr> "he only downsides are the exorbitant price (in Germany anyway) and Intel’s Pulsbo chipset with PowerVR graphic for which there exists no open source accelerated graphic driver, yet."
19:56 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-02-02/hp-mini-2140-and-sony-vaio-p-a-possible-apple-macbook-ultra-portable-substitute/
19:57 < Skaperen> well aren't all your prices in Germany with VAT already added in?
19:57 < rxr> yes, but it's still some ~20% over the US prices ...
19:57 < Skaperen> in USA they don't add in the tax, so we _see_ a lower price ... of course VAT is a higher percentage
19:58 < rxr> and US taces where also less than the german ones
19:58 < rxr> what the average tax in the US? ~10% or so ?
19:58 < Skaperen> right
19:58 < rxr> yeah - I know the us tax thing
19:58 < rxr> in germany we have 19% tax these days ...
19:59 < rxr> but with this taken into account the us prices are still ~10-20% lower ...
19:59 < Skaperen> but we don't get so much from out government, either ... you do get more
20:00 < rxr> hehe - you are 'n optimist
20:00 < Skaperen> it's also a bit cheaper to ship from the eastern shores of Asia to the western shores of USA than to the western shores of Europe
20:00 < rxr> id'd rather have people spent the money than questionable government people
20:00 < rxr> (though german politicans might be less questionable compared to the average US ones ... :-)
20:00 < Skaperen> I'm one of those "socialists" that believes certain things just need to be universally taken care of, such as health care
20:01 < Skaperen> in this country, medical "events" end up ruining people's lives
20:01 < rxr> agreed
20:02 < CIA-23> rene * r32088 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/scribus.conf: 
20:02 < CIA-23> * fixed the scribus package to take the $docdir into account, and not
20:02 < CIA-23> create one on it's own with a version number for each release
20:02 < Skaperen> what's too often not seen is how after the medical event, people lose their homes, livelihood, etc
20:02 < rxr> so - I gotta continue some client work quickly or I get killed soon
20:02 < Skaperen> good idea ... need to pay bills
20:03 < Skaperen> if I found a good match job in europe, especially north europe, I'd probably go
20:03 < rxr> I meant by the client directly :-) not indirectly by starving :-)
20:03 < rxr> what's your nationality? US citizen?
20:03 < Skaperen> clients count ... they pay if the work gets done
20:04 < Skaperen> yes, US citizen, born here
20:04 < Skaperen> so not in the EEA or whatever the classification is, so it's hard to get work there unless its specialized
20:25 < rxr> Hacking OpenOffice.org dictionaries - http://www.linux.com/feature/51675
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21:15 < CIA-23> rene * r32089 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/scribus.conf: * guide scribus to find python, and pick the dynamic one anyway
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