T2 IRC Log: 2009-01-31

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--- Log opened Sat Jan 31 00:00:44 2009
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00:34 < Skapare> I notice that many of the source package files in t2 are the same as in gentoo distfiles, but the dates are different
00:36 < Skapare> there also seem to be a lot of versions of some packages ... example: BitTorrent
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04:32 < Skapare> "For the price of a cup of coffee, you can get a secure, reliable, high performance, replacement for Windows, along with a free cup of coffee"
05:54 < Skapare> is there ever anyone active on this channel?
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07:30 < Skapare> on this page ... http://t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html ... in paragraph 2 ... the link "T2 Sources" ... gets a 404 error from web server
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10:57 < rxr> Skapare: sure
10:58 * rxr ususally from 8am to 8++ pm Central European time ...
10:58 < rxr> Skapare: thanks for the docu 404 hint - I'll take a look
11:11 < rxr> Mono 2.2 vs OCaml vs .NET vs LLVM vs JDK
11:11 < rxr> http://flyingfrogblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/mono-22.html
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11:17 < CIA-23> rene * r31995 /trunk/package/filesystem/mfs/ (. mfs.cache mfs.desc):
11:17 < CIA-23> Steve :
11:17 < CIA-23> * added mfs (1.5.12) - A unlimited and fault tolerant space for your files
11:27 < CIA-23> rene * r31996 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.6.34 -> 0.6.35)
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11:49 < Baldzius> moin
11:49 < rxr> hey Baldzius
11:52 < Baldzius> hey rxr
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11:53 < Baldzius> rxr: are you ok with the changes for ext[2,3,4] i did yesterday?
12:04 < CIA-23> aldas * r31997 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc:
12:04 < CIA-23> * updated ndiswrapper (1.53 -> 1.54)
12:04 < CIA-23> * security update: CVE-2008-4395
12:05 < rxr> Baldzius: I missed them
12:08 < CIA-23> aldas * r31998 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/imlib2.desc:
12:08 < CIA-23> * updated imlib2 (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
12:08 < CIA-23> * security update
12:09 < rxr> looks fine
12:09 < rxr> too bad r31992 was neccessary
12:11 < rxr> I just started an openoffice-org 3.0.1 update test build
12:11 < Baldzius> yeah, otherwise it doesn't work at all
12:11 < rxr> mtr: did you ever take a look what's up with those "language packs" .tar files openoffice creates?
12:26 < rxr> mtr: ok - extracting the .sw named "TAR files" works for the languages
13:02 < CIA-23> rene * r31999 /trunk/misc/share/CVTranslations: * updated sourceforce CV translation
13:31 < CIA-23> rene * r32000 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-pilot-conduits/gnome-pilot-conduits.desc: * updated gnome-pilot-conduits (2.0.16 -> 2.0.17)
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14:12 < CIA-23> rene * r32002 /trunk/package/filesystem/unfs3/unfs3.desc: * updated unfs3 (0.9.21 -> 0.9.22)
14:12 < CIA-23> rene * r32001 /trunk/package/emulators/libvirt/libvirt.desc: * updated libvirt (0.4.2 -> 0.6.0)
14:12 < CIA-23> rene * r32003 /trunk/package/gnome2/galculator/galculator.desc: * updated galculator (1.3.1 -> 1.3.3)
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17:24 < CIA-23> rene * r32004 /trunk/package/xorg/xcb-util/xcb-util.desc: * updated xcb-util (0.3.2 -> 0.3.3)
17:25 < CIA-23> rene * r32005 /trunk/package/x11/libvncserver/libvncserver.desc: * updated libvncserver (0.9.1 -> 0.9.7)
17:25 < CIA-23> rene * r32006 /trunk/package/graphic/gocr/gocr.desc: * updated gocr (0.45 -> 0.46)
17:25 < CIA-23> rene * r32007 /trunk/package/multimedia/libdc1394/libdc1394.desc: * updated libdc1394 (2.0.2 -> 2.1.0)
17:32 < CIA-23> rene * r32008 /trunk/package/textproc/kile/kile.desc: * updated kile (2.0 -> 2.0.3)
17:35 * Skapare is still trying to figure out what he needs to build T2, based on the online docs
17:37 < rxr> there also is the "huge" handbook
17:37 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/index.html
17:37 < Skapare> I've been looking at that, too ... but I wanted to look at what to download to see what it is so I can understand
17:38 < rxr> you can also download pre-built binary ISOs to get a first impression
17:38 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download/
17:38 < Skapare> that won't fit my objectives ... if ISOs were all that T2 is, it wouldn't be of interest to me
17:39 < rxr> ok - then the 1.4 MB script + package meta-data tarball is for you
17:39 < rxr> the T2 scripts download required open source archives (gcc, linux kernel, etc.) auto-matically as needed
17:39 < Skapare> what I am looking for is something I can build from source inside a chroot (same arch as host) w/o having to reboot or run a vm
17:40 < rxr> yes - either the source tarball or a SVN checkout of T2 is what you are looking for
17:40 < rxr> have to go, get some luch - cu later
17:40 < Skapare> bye
17:40 < rxr> btw. don#t hesitate to ask on the list for a wider, asynchron audience
17:40 < Skapare> can't subscribe right now ... mail server issues
17:42 < Skapare> I just need to see where to download these things ... "1.4 MB script + package meta-data tarball"
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18:15 < mpp> moin moin
18:19 < Skapare> hi
18:19 < Skapare> is svn:// down?
18:20 < Skapare> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3690), sin_addr=inet_addr("85.183.32.143")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
18:25 < mpp> not that i kno
18:26 < mpp> what url did u use for svn ?
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20:20 < rxr> Skapare: yes, use http*
20:20 < rxr> svn.// is no more
20:20 < rxr> should rmeove the web reference
20:41 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/portable/Sony/VGN-P/
20:41 < rxr> but I only checked it out in the Berlin Sony store
20:42 < rxr> (yes, I boot a fresh trunk build in stores before I buy hardware ... :-)
21:01 < Skapare> so why no more svn:// ? wasn't that faster?
21:06 < Skapare> svn: PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn2.exactcode.de:81)
21:08 < Skapare> seems to be an issue with svn2.exactcode.de ... working OK on svn.exactcode.de
21:13 < Skapare> not sure yet what I'm getting, but I'm getting it
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21:19 < Skapare> so, why do "svn co" instead of "svn export"?
21:19 < Skapare> ... for people who are not committers
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21:45 < rxr> Skapare: because we do not want to maintan ACL lists 3 times ...
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21:46 < rxr> Skapare: svn export does not allow you to get incremental updates
21:46 < rxr> Skapare: with svn co you can get incremental deltas and do not need completely new checkouts
21:51 < Skapare> OK, so I should keep a "local master" copy from "svn co" and I can replicate it sans the .svn subdirectories to make my own tarballs
21:54 < Skapare> so how small of a target can T2 be customized for? Would it be a big task to make a target for a Linksys WRT54GL router?
21:54 < Skapare> task for me to do that is
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21:59 < Skapare> rxr: oh, and be sure to remove references to svn:// in the handbook PDF ... and how do you create that PDF, with what tool, a "to PDF" converter from HTML?
22:02 < rxr> Skapare: the handbook is XML / Docbook
22:03 < rxr> Skapare: the HTMl and PDF are generated with the Apache project's FOP (I think the tool was named)
22:03 < rxr> yes fop
22:03 < rxr> IMHO the only useful XML Dcbook processing engine
22:04 < rxr> Skapare: the routers are fully in T2 scope, a target was even already started
22:04 < rxr> but is not yet read
22:04 < rxr> y
22:04 < rxr> systems can even be smaller, like < 1MB for cloud sensors etc.
22:08 < Skapare> is there a WYSIWYG editor for the XML / Docbook?
22:08 < Skapare> I see lots of typos in the handbook and would be willing to do some editor, but I hate XML
22:10 < Skapare> I have primarily used OO for writing ... maybe it can import the XML/Docbook and re-export it after changes
22:12 < Skapare> I have a few different targets I might like to use T2 for, including a spare WRT54GL router
22:12 < Skapare> and I might soon have access to some ARM eval boards
22:17 < Skapare> I will, of course, have to learn how to tweak the target configuration specifics :)
22:23 < CIA-23> rene * r32009 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.conf: * improved openoffice-org to extract the created language packs
22:24 < rxr> Skapare: some typos are already fixed in the handbook SVN
22:24 < rxr> we should regenerete the HTML and PDF representation shortly
22:26 < CIA-23> rene * r32010 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.conf: * build french openoffice-org translation by default
22:32 < rxr> good n8 everyone
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