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09:18 < mpp> moin rxr
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09:33 < mtr> moin
09:36 < rxr> moin moin mtr 
09:39 < mpp> moin mtr
09:39 < mtr> hi rxr & mpp 
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09:48 < mtr> rxr: did you try OOo?
09:49 < mtr> I still have this mysterious runtime problem
09:50 < mtr> >> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'
09:50 < mtr> each time starting swriter or opening documents
09:50 < rxr> mtr: yes, it works for me and a customer
09:50 < rxr> for me even on x86_64
09:51 < mtr> but after running sdraw once it works
09:52 < rxr> on my side it apparently always works
09:53 < rxr> I just wiped my notebook (had to increase some others's OS partition) and installed some fresh trunk target
09:53 < rxr> I'll have to re-emerge openoffice-org I'll let you know if that still works likewise
09:54 < mtr> yes, thanks
10:15 < DerrBaer> ,
10:23 < DerrBaer> I have a question to t2:
10:23 < DerrBaer> is it possible to make a distribution which runs on an USB Stick?
10:28 < rxr> yes, all live ones should work out of the box from a stick
10:28 < rxr> just install a T2 live version with the T2 script ./misc/archive/iso2stick.sh
10:32 < DerrBaer> and the second question:
10:32 < DerrBaer> can i change it later? 
10:32 < DerrBaer> e.g. update programms, add new programms, etc.?
10:39 < rxr> in theory
10:39 < rxr> though we do not ship an install script with the live versions
10:39 < rxr> one can, however, install it to a HD partition with rsync
10:39 < rxr> we should ship some example script with some xdialog "are you sure?" ok button ...
10:41 < DerrBaer> k, thanks
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12:23 < koan> nice, I got a minimal-xorg trunk to build without any significant errors
12:24 < koan> only some xf86-input and xf86-video drivers failed
13:04 < CIA-22> rene * r31712 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (xorg.conf.example xorg.conf.template): * removed RgbPath from example and template xorg.conf, which is no longer a valid keyword
13:04 < CIA-22> rene * r31713 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * shrinked ip/MAC based hostid by discarding colons
13:04 < CIA-22> rene * r31711 /trunk/package/x11/blackbox/blackbox.cache: * updated blackbox.cache, removes some not used dependencies
13:04 < CIA-22> rene * r31710 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.cache: * updated xorg-server.cache, including, new, real, dependencies
13:04 < CIA-22> rene * r31709 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/mesa.cache: * updated mesa.cache, including new, real, dependencies
13:05 < CIA-22> rene * r31708 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-conf/gpe-conf.desc: * updated gpe-conf (0.2.6 -> 0.2.8)
13:05 < CIA-22> rene * r31706 /trunk/package/network/crossroads/crossroads.desc: * updated crossroads (2.39 -> 2.41)
13:05 < CIA-22> rene * r31707 /trunk/package/network/collectd/collectd.desc: * updated collectd (4.5.1 -> 4.5.2)
13:05 < CIA-22> rene * r31704 /trunk/package/network/cfengine/cfengine.desc: * updated cfengine (2.2.8 -> 3.0.0p1)
13:05 < CIA-22> rene * r31705 /trunk/package/develop/ctalk/ctalk.desc: * updated ctalk (0.0.91a -> 0.0.92a)
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14:42 < rxr> (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd' or 'mouse' will be disabled.
14:42 < rxr> (WW) Disabling Mouse1
14:42 < rxr> (WW) Disabling Keyboard1
14:42 < rxr>  ???
14:46 < mpp> yes
14:46 < mpp> that's why i sent in a patch around x-mas
14:46 < mpp> :-)
14:46 < rxr> those xorg folks must have too much beer for free
14:46 < mpp> explaining exactly this one !!!
14:46 < rxr> tried your patch, the log is even with your patch
14:47 < mpp> no way ! eek
14:47 < rxr> guess your patch only helps if no xorg.conf is used ?
14:47 < mpp> hm... nop it actually is meant for the xorg conf
14:47 < mpp> but i totally agree - insane !
14:48 < mpp> i had to login via ssh and do a chvt 1 
14:48 < mpp> ****ing xorg-devs
14:49 < rxr> somehow those bizzare xorg hackers only try to solve problems that do not exist, instead of implemting new rocking features / drivers ...
14:49 < mpp> LOL !!!
14:49 < mpp> some devs really suck
14:49 < mpp> i guess it's time to establishe a Sane Software Consortium.
14:49 < mpp> with mental health check befor signing up
14:50 < mpp> :-)
14:52 < mpp> anyways the patch i posted would save a lot of people some trouble 
14:52 < mpp> imho
14:53 < mpp> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/X-Server-1-6-verspaetet-sich--/meldung/121200
14:53 < mpp> what a mess
14:53 < rxr> could not care less
14:54 < rxr> your patch does not make a difference for me
14:54 < rxr>     /* AllowEmptyInput is automatically true if we're hotplugging */
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15:04 < rxr> mpp: this works for me:
15:04 < rxr> Committed revision 31714.
15:04 < rxr> hope it works on your side, as well
15:04 < CIA-23> rene * r31714 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/AllowEmptyInput.patch: 
15:04 < CIA-23> * quirked the xorg-server to allow ordinary, old-style keyboard and
15:04 < CIA-23> mouse devices
15:04 < rxr> (and does not show other defect behaviour if "whatever auto-magic is in action")
15:05 < mpp> k cool
15:05 < rxr> hm
15:06 < rxr> *grml*
15:06 < rxr> now with the just slightly newer xorg-server modesetting is even more broken than before
15:06 < rxr> I already had to quirk around for a proper resolution on my external mid-sized display to have a proper resolution / image
15:06 < rxr> and now I just get flickering junk at all ... (on the ext. one)
15:07 < rxr> why the heck does everything graphic relate does degrade more than it advances in the linux world ..
15:07 < rxr> when I was at my parents "old Athlon" T2 Linux box over christmas I was astonished how super fluid that 2005 T2 was moving and scrolling around
15:09 < rxr> DVI1 connected 1024x768+0+0 433mm x 270mm
15:09 < rxr>    1024x768       60.0*+
15:09 < rxr>    1680x1050      59.9 +   60.0  
15:09 < rxr> LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 332mm x 207mm
15:09 < rxr>    1024x768       60.0*+
15:09 < rxr>    1440x900       60.0 +
15:09 < rxr> why the heck could they break their crappy C code to choose the obviously not advertised modes ...
15:09 < rxr> grmml
15:11 < rxr> and even with the roper mode my extern display only shows flicker*gliberish
15:11 < mpp> yeöp
15:11 < mpp> i can confirm that
15:11 < mpp> i also have those probs on various ati chipsets
15:11 < rxr> should have re-installed the backup and not T2 HEAD when I had to resize the OS X partition ...
15:11 < rxr> damnit
15:11 < mpp> what a cluster****
15:11 < rxr> should boot into the "just works OS" ...
15:12 < rxr> and shield this crap code in some VM jail ... and leave it a lone ...
15:12 < mpp> tell me abou it
15:13 < mpp> is there any suitable alternative to the xorg-server ?
15:13 < rxr> I was talking about the other "just works OS" named Mac OS X ...
15:13 < rxr> that came pre-installed with my computer ... :_)
15:14 < mpp> ah k
15:14 < mpp> i had some strange behaviour lately with the xorg-server
15:14 < rxr> yeah - I'm with you ...
15:14 < rxr> crap thing
15:14 < rxr> some revisions before my laptop and ext. display just worked ... anyway - under Linux/Xorg
15:15 < rxr> though some window resize stuff (even without transparency) was a little stlugish with this damn open source -nv driver ...
15:15 < rxr> but atleast the pixels stand still on the LCD ...
15:17 < rxr> ah - /ok/ - removing the resolution line in the xorg.conf helps ...
15:17 < rxr> though the damn driver should output some valid mode and not flickering pixel junk at some random rate ...
15:21 < mpp> LOL 
15:21 < mpp> yeah well - no further comments on this topic.
15:21 < mpp> it is what it is.
15:21 < rxr> yeah / a piece of junk
15:22 < rxr> lol
15:22 < rxr> without the Mode, where I get a visible picture at all, it still does not choose the correct resolution ...
15:22 < rxr> a manuaal xrandr ... helps, though
15:28 < mpp> btw. the package/hdparm/cross-no-strip.patch is obsolete on t2-trunk
15:31 < rxr> yes, I think it's not there in HEAD
15:31 < rxr> maybe some merge issue with git or so on your side?
15:33 < rxr> package/base# rm -rf hdparm/
15:33 < rxr> /package/base# svn up hdparm  
15:33 < rxr> A    hdparm
15:33 < rxr> A    hdparm/hdparm.desc
15:33 < rxr> A    hdparm/hdparm.cache
15:33 < rxr> Updated to revision 31714.
15:35 < mpp> k
15:47 < mpp> hey rxr - any objection to have the fluxbox package upgraded to the git checkout ?
15:47 < mpp> it compiled just fine . 
15:47 < mpp> i have it already on dl2+dl3
15:49 < rxr> btw. t2 supports git checkouts in the [D] tag
15:50 < mpp> i know - i read it in the docs this morning : -)
15:51 < mpp> so can i send in a fresh version with git checkout
15:51 < mpp> i am not sure anyone has git installed
15:52 < rxr> doens't matter the snapshot will be on the t2 mirrors anyway
15:52 < rxr> we already have git snapshot packages, IIRC
15:53 < mpp> okay ...
15:59 < rxr> CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1)
15:59 < rxr> Machine check events logged
15:59 < rxr> CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 10622)
15:59 < rxr> Machine check events logged
15:59 < rxr> CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 14876)
15:59 < rxr> hm - wonder if those are new or always existed ... and I just did not notice them ...
16:01 < mpp> on what platform ?
16:01 < rxr> MacBookPro, Intel Core2Duo ...
16:02 < mpp> can't say
16:03 < mpp> my guess is - it's a rather new message 
16:03 < rxr> well - I saw such messages for years, but never on my hardware :-(
16:04 < rxr> though I recently opened the case and screwed in a bigger, faster HD ...
16:04 < rxr> maybe that's contributing :-(
16:04 < mpp> i don't hope so !!!
16:05 < mpp> could you have a look at my fluxbox git checkout ? http://pastebin.com/m5cd18cc8
16:05 < mpp> is the error message normal or an outdate git call ?
16:07 < rxr> maybe just a slash missing in the git:// ?
16:07 < rxr> hm - ok - no
16:07 < mpp> it's not i checked
16:07 < rxr> do you have a final tarball name ? you copied another git based package ?
16:07 < mpp> the file downloaded okay
16:08 < mpp> yes it's all set in the desc file
16:08 < mpp> [D] X fluxbox.tar.bz2 git://git.fluxbox.org/fluxbox
16:08 < mpp> without the checksum - off course it's the first run
16:09 < rxr> let me just emerge git on my new t2 install and I give it a try
16:10 < mpp> k
16:11 < mpp> hm.. must ge git scpefic in the dl-script
16:11 < mpp> cloneing the repo is ok
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16:31 < mpp> sorry my nb crahed
16:31 < rxr> nb ?
16:31 < rxr> netbook ?=
16:31 < mpp> then came the ext3 check ...
16:31 < mpp> notebook
16:31 < mpp> did i miss anything ?
16:32 < rxr> nope
16:32 < mpp> on the git matter ?
16:32 < mpp> k
16:32 < mpp> cool
16:34 < rxr> ehrmf
16:34 < rxr> what a fun:
16:34 < rxr> $ thunderbird
16:34 < rxr> process 10926: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
16:34 < rxr> See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.
16:34 < rxr>   D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
16:34 < rxr> /opt/mozilla.org/lib64/thunderbird-2.0.0.19/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10926 Aborted                 "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
16:34 < rxr> now this bloated stuff does not work without the dbus junk anymore ?!?!?!?!?!
16:34 < mpp> also told you about those
16:34 < rxr> about ?
16:34 < mpp> hal is also affected
16:34 < mpp> dbus build order
16:34 < rxr> this is not build order, I have no dbus
16:34 < rxr> didn't want it ...
16:34 < mpp> ah k
16:34 < rxr> damn junk of it ...
16:35 < rxr> why did it built at all if it does not wanna start anyway ...
16:35 < mpp> well firefox has diff opinion on that :-)
16:35 < rxr> ?
16:35 < mpp> broken pkgs . . . . . tatadaaaa 
16:35 < rxr> $ firefox
16:35 < rxr> process 10953: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
16:35 < rxr> See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.
16:35 < rxr>   D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
16:35 < rxr> /opt/mozilla.org/lib64/firefox-3.0.5/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10953 Aborted                 "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
16:35 < mpp> well no dbus - no fun
16:35 < mpp> LOL
16:35 < rxr> "fun" ...
16:35 < mpp> well kinda "fun"
16:36 < mpp> you need dbus dbus-glib and hal
16:36 < mpp> otherwise most gtk packages complain / abort
16:36 < mpp> trunk is fun
16:36 < mpp> i tell you that
16:36 < rxr> well - if I would have had dbus and hal in my build it woudl have probably worked
16:37 < rxr> it's just that I had the neat thought to un-bloat my target a little ...
16:37 < rxr> nice try ...
16:37 < mpp> yes it does - but it actually doesn't
16:37 < mpp> as i was saying
16:37 < mpp> you need to rebuild dbus dbus-glib after stage-5 again
16:37 < mpp> some wired runtime dep/whatever on the dbus-package
16:38 < mpp> also the hald does not run as root anymore / needs another uid than currently in the init script
16:38 < mpp> lot'S of work on trunk ...
16:39 < mpp> yea unbloat - LOL -- 
16:39 < mpp> nice try though
16:40 < rxr> ok - with dbus and hal installed and rebooted firefox works ...
16:40 < rxr> thunderbird, likewise
16:40 < mpp> yep
16:40 < mpp> :-)
16:43 < mpp> maybe we could expand the scripts/Download a bit to checkout a certain git revision - so we can pinpoint a working one ?
16:44 < mpp> after clone a 'git checkout sha1' would do the trick
16:44 < rxr> yes, we need this, something like this would help
16:44 < mpp> i'll check the exact synatx
16:45 < mpp> where would the revision-id be in the desc file ?
16:45 < mpp> at the end like svn ?
16:47 < rxr> for svn it's easy we treat all the remaining D text as command line args ...
16:47 < rxr> it should also be natural
16:47 < rxr> maybe for git pass all remaining args to a git invocation so that it would be "checkout sha1 ..." which would run git checkout sha1 ...
16:49 < mpp> k ill handle it  . gotta drive now 
16:49 < mpp> bbl in about 2 hours
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17:31 < mtr> we already have this "git checkout id" feature
17:33 < mtr> the options are treated as sha1 ref, and "git checkout ..." registered as post processing command cmdpp
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18:20 < mpp> yasou synchris !
18:22 < synchris> hiya mpp
18:23 < mpp> ti kanis - kala ise ?
18:23 < mpp> :-)
18:23 < synchris> kala
18:23 < synchris> esy? ellinas eisai?
18:23 < mpp> pos ine to klima stin elada ?
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18:23 < mpp> ne martin papadopoulos 
18:23 < synchris> :P
18:23 < synchris> hm ti na leei to klima
18:23 < synchris> hsyxies
18:24 < mpp> ochi - ime misos ellinas 
18:24 < mpp> malista
18:24 < synchris> twra na doume vasika
18:24 < mpp> jati ?
18:24 < synchris> i poreia tha dei3ei gia tin wra;p
18:24 < mpp> malista
18:24 < synchris> mpp: pirobolisan enan astynomiko 21 etwn
18:25 < synchris> ton petixan se 3 shmeia
18:25 < mpp> ti les re si
18:25 < rxr> ?
18:25 < synchris> yup
18:25 < mpp> prepi na ta poume sta englesika edopera
18:25 < synchris> heh i know
18:25 < mpp> alla ama thes kanume privat chat
18:25 < mpp> okay
18:25 < mpp> for our english audiences ...
18:26 < koan> I suppose that was greek?
18:27 < mpp> right ! 
18:27 < synchris> u are correct
18:27 < mpp> sorry about that - it was just a bit tempting
18:27 < mpp> :-=
18:27 < mpp> :-)
18:27 < koan> :-)
18:27 < synchris> mpp: they tried to kill the cop in cause of the murder of the 16year old kid
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18:28 < mpp> gee - people are crazy these days.
18:29 < synchris> i cant say that is only these days
18:29 < synchris> humans were are and will be crazy;p
18:30 < mpp> probably not
18:30 < mpp> yes
18:30 < mpp> so here wego . oooot
18:30 < synchris> they were killing inoncent people cause they thought they were witches and etc
18:31 < mpp> time for a global sanity check !
18:31 < mpp> next ...
18:31 < synchris> huh!
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18:31 < mpp> :-) LOL
18:31 < mpp> synchris: are you using t2 ?
18:31 < synchris> not yet
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18:31 < mpp> so why did you come here ?
18:31 < synchris> i was just checking out some source based distros
18:31 < synchris> ;p
18:32 < mpp> i see
18:32 < synchris> and i want to see how much community feedback have
18:32 < synchris> and how actualy they work on the things
18:33 < synchris> i dont realy care about big community but in real how they react with each other
18:33 < koan> that's how I started hanging around here a couple of months ago
18:34 < koan> and I now really like T2, not using it yet for my main machine, but I'm experimenting with it on various machines and I like the flexibility and the small but active community
18:34 < mpp> i agree koan
18:35 < mpp> once you get used to it - it is great
18:35 < synchris> i just want to move on
18:35 < mpp> k so see you around
18:35 < mpp> ta leme ali fora 
18:36 < synchris> time for sleep;p
18:36 < mpp> kali nixta
18:36 < mpp> :-)
18:36  * synchris bed is calling him
18:36 < synchris> mpp: gnite
18:36 < mpp> bye
18:38 < koan> it's funny, I never saw someone using greek in latin alphabet, I supposed they had keyboards with the greek alphabet
18:39 < mpp> well i don't have a greek layout on the keyboard so it's kinda hard.
18:39 < mpp> but it my best :-)
18:39 < mpp> did
18:39 < koan> but not all greek letters have a latin counterpart, right?
18:40 < koan> I had classical greek in high school
18:40 < mpp> youre right about that 
18:40 < koan> but in greece they have a greek keyboard layout?
18:40 < mpp> but it's simillar like most european languages
18:40 < mpp> yes they do
18:41 < mpp> it would a pain without ..
18:41 < mpp> be
18:41 < mpp> damn 
18:41 < mpp> missing some words today
18:41 < mpp> bbl
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19:11 < koan> auch rxr gcc fails in stage 2 on my G5: http://pastebin.com/m296af008
19:15 < rxr> hm gcj, hm
19:15 < rxr> which optimization ?
19:15 < koan> ppc64 G5
19:16 < rxr> hm
19:17 < rxr> (maybe disable gcc java in the Config for now, since gcc-4.3 it's not functional without the eclipse compiler we have not yet package anyway ...)
19:18 < koan> ok
19:18 < koan> where is this in the config?
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19:20 < rxr> expert options
19:20 < koan> ok
19:21 < rxr> GCC -> Build the JAVA compiler
19:25 < koan> ok, I'll retry
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20:03 < mpp> http://rubyconf2008.confreaks.com/unfactoring-from-patterns.html
20:03 < mpp> looks all dev's have done their homeworks
20:04 < mpp> :-)
20:04 < mpp> LOLOL
20:17 < CIA-23> rene * r31715 /trunk/package/x86/acpica/acpica.desc: * updated acpica (20060707 -> 20081204)
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