T2 IRC Log: 2008-11-11
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--- Log opened Tue Nov 11 00:00:36 2008
00:31 -!- Piliphus [n=Piliphus@e179242194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
00:31 < Piliphus> hello ...
00:32 < Piliphus> english speaking only?
00:33 < Piliphus> german?
00:35 < Piliphus> there are some questions about building an t2 system
00:35 < Piliphus> a
00:35 < Piliphus> no problem. i know it is late.
00:36 < gw> hi piliphus.... yes in general english speaking only
00:37 < Piliphus> hi gw all right i will try
00:37 < gw> just ask.... i'll give it a try to answer
00:38 < Piliphus> i'm able to build a minimal system with x-server and fluxbox
00:38 < gw> dict.leo.org is wonderful german - english dictionary if you need on (and don't know it already :) )
00:39 < gw> on => one
00:40 < Piliphus> one moment please
00:43 < Piliphus> when i use the prebuild what option i have to use gasgui or gasstone?
00:44 < gw> mmm.... sorry, I've never used gasgui... it never worked for me
00:44 < gw> but what do you wnat to do?
00:44 < gw> installing?
00:44 < gw> or install additional packages?
00:45 < gw> or just install additional alread built binary packages?
00:45 < Piliphus> what i have to know is what i can do with this installation.
00:46 < gw> ok... so you built the minimal-x with fluxbox and you don't know how to install it?
00:46 < Piliphus> i dont know where i can select the packeges?
00:47 < gw> for installation?
00:47 < gw> mm.. when you boot the iso you built, then it will install all what is on the cd (I guess :) )
00:47 < Piliphus> yes
00:48 < gw> to install additional packages I mostly use 'mine'
00:48 < gw> the command line packaging tool for T2
00:48 < gw> mine -i
00:48 < Piliphus> and thats the t2system on that i can install x and fluxbox?
00:48 < gw> installs a single binary package
00:49 < gw> after you installed all from the built iso('s) ... you should be able to boot your newly installed T2 :)
00:49 < gw> not from cd, but from the harddisk where you installed it
00:49 < Piliphus> or is it the system where i build the cd for example
00:49 < gw> no
00:50 < gw> the system where you built it, is just the build-environment
00:50 < gw> you can use the build-environment to build additional packages, if you want
00:50 < Piliphus> ok
00:50 < gw> you can also install the t2-src-tree into your newly installed T2-system and "emerge" new packages into it (a bit like gentoo works)
00:51 < Piliphus> im able to....
00:51 < gw> I prefer building in my build-environment (my installed t2 is also the host system for the build environment) and install the binary packages I build with mine
00:51 < Piliphus> i never worked with gentoo
00:52 < gw> no worries.... T2 is somewhat different :)
00:52 < Piliphus> im linux newbe in that case
00:52 < Piliphus> but im interested
00:52 < gw> that's fine :)
00:52 < Piliphus> i will try
00:53 < gw> the T2 handbook should have some documentation about installing, "emerging", aso..... but I am not sure how good the documentation is there. It's a while ago I had a look at it.
00:54 < Piliphus> aha
00:56 < gw> in general people have a look at the handbook, and then ask here, because they did not find an answer there :)
00:56 < Piliphus> at first i've to install the t2cd... and with this system i can build my t2
00:57 < gw> yes
00:57 < gw> you can also just use the system you have with the t2cd and only install additional packages you want
00:58 < Piliphus> i've readed the book 5 times but im not sure what ican do with the .tar one 'and what can i do with the .iso oine
00:58 < gw> or you build a complete new t2-system, if you need different architecture options as those provided by the prebuilt t2-cd
00:59 < gw> the .iso is soething you can burn on a cd and boot from it :)
00:59 < Piliphus> no, i wish to build an minimal system with x-server an fluxbox.
00:59 < gw> the .tar I, am not sure
00:59 < gw> must have a look at the .tar thing
00:59 < Piliphus> i know
01:00 < gw> the advantage of the prebuilt iso's is, that you have a system, where you can build a new t2-system with.
01:00 < gw> the t2-build-environment has some problems with mainstream distros
01:00 < gw> because they tend to patch things like awk, sed, make aso... in a strange way
01:01 < gw> ok.... then install one of the prebuilds....
01:01 < gw> download the t2-src tree (trunk or one of the stable branches)
01:01 < gw> and configure your build (but I thought you did this already)
01:01 < Piliphus> the handbook tells only what to do with the .tar there are 2 or 3 sentense about usen the .iso is better. because building the t2 on a t2 i better. but nowhere is told about using the .iso
01:02 < gw> using the .iso is just, burn it on a cd, or insert it into a virtual machine if you want :)
01:02 < gw> boot from it, and follow the directions to install a t2-system on your computer/virtual machine from the cd
01:03 < gw> it's a prebuilt binary distribution of a generic t2-system.... just like you would install one of the mainstream distros from cd
01:03 < Piliphus> know ive boith the tar one on terminal and the .iso in vb
01:03 < gw> maybe without a very comfortable installer :)
01:03 < Piliphus> only for testing for skill
01:03 < Piliphus> not for building
01:03 < gw> :)
01:04 < Piliphus> thats the problem tar and iso do different things
01:05 < Piliphus> but know i know i use the iso and install it. with that system i can build my t2
01:05 < gw> mmm.. i am not sure whether they are so different :)...
01:05 < gw> ah... I think I remeber
01:05 < gw> the .tar is just the build-environment, while the .iso is a complete functional linux, built with the T2-build environment
01:06 < Piliphus> sandbox
01:06 < gw> yea... or working copy :)
01:07 < gw> you can consider the .tar as snapshot from the subversion repository
01:07 < Piliphus> thats the next problem. i never use svn before.
01:08 < gw> so.... to use it, boot your t2-system fromt the t2cd you installed, you can unpack there .tar file and start bulding your own, or checkout the svn-tree und use this checkout instead of the .tar file you downloaded
01:08 < gw> svn is rather easy to use....
01:09 < gw> you'll find the exact command line commands here: http://www.t2-project.org/download/
01:09 < Piliphus> i've lerned something about svn this eavening
01:09 < gw> :)
01:19 < Piliphus> yesterday i installed the system the first time. but the configuration offers too much questions.. thats not the problem. later i become unsettled what i've to do with that system?
01:19 < gw> which system?.... you mean you started ./scripts/Config script?
01:20 < gw> yeah, there are quite a lot of options there :)
01:20 < gw> but to start, you can leave most of the options at their default values
01:20 < Piliphus> the t2 iso i installt in the vb
01:21 < gw> mmm... it's a while ago, I installed a t2-system from iso, but I don't remember, that the installer gave much choices :)
01:21 < gw> the stone tool, (the configuration tool), is not that complicated, and you only need the most crucial options there....
01:21 < gw> like network setup, and runlevel configuration
01:22 < gw> the package installer in the stone tool, never worked for me.... so I have no experience with that
01:22 < Piliphus> how do you?
01:22 < gw> how I do the installation?
01:23 < Piliphus> yes
01:23 < gw> I guess I started with a t2-prebuilt, quite a couple of years ago... (one of the first usable versions, after fork of rock-linux)
01:24 < gw> since then I only build binary packages with the build environment, and install them with mine or just untar them to a file system root :)
01:24 < Piliphus> my first linux installation on august
01:24 < Piliphus> and expirence
01:25 < gw> ah yes, that's not very long :)
01:25 < Piliphus> at this time i install in my vb
01:25 < gw> vb => virtual box?
01:25 < Piliphus> i hav to configure the eth. the static domain is 127.0.0.1?
01:26 < Piliphus> virtual box!
01:26 < Piliphus> static host is localhost for example
01:26 < gw> 127.0.0.1 is you local domain, it is only valid on your system and is not usable for networking only on the local system/computer
01:27 < Piliphus> the setup is asking about?
01:28 < Piliphus> i think
01:28 < Piliphus> will not mean a thing...;)
01:29 < Piliphus> what about the static DNS-Server?
01:32 < Piliphus> i know about the 127.0.0.1
01:33 < Piliphus> im getting confused. what the f*** i s a global tag?
01:35 < gw> :)
01:35 < Piliphus> dont laugh
01:35 < Piliphus> !
01:35 < gw> the network config is in the file /etc/config/network or so
01:35 < gw> it is somewhat hierarchical organised
01:35 < gw> the stone tool is just a gui to make entries there
01:35 < gw> tags are config options in this file
01:36 < Piliphus> interesting...
01:36 < gw> they are made available in the scripts you can find in /usr/libexec/network (or anywhere near there... sorry I dont't remember exactly)
01:37 < gw> the tags are merely the names of the scripts at that location
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01:37 < gw> in the network config file, you make an entry for every network device you have/need/want to configure
01:37 < gw> global tags set options for all devices.
01:38 < gw> e.g. setting the nameserver is a global options, because it is not specific for a special network device
01:39 < gw> setting a static ip address is specific to a certain network device, so it does not make sense to use it in a global context
01:39 < Piliphus> im unsure what ive to do with the static DSN-Server is the 255.255.255.0 to use?
01:39 < gw> nope
01:40 < Piliphus> i think ive never be a good network admin...
01:40 < gw> as nameserver you want to use an address where a nameserver can be found
01:40 < gw> I don't know whether virtual box provides you with one
01:40 < gw> else you just set the same entries there you have in your host system
01:40 < gw> host system of your vb
01:41 < Piliphus> what the vb nedds is not that importent. i use the vb to practice the configuration.
01:42 < gw> you want to access the internet or your local lan with the t2-system in your vb?
01:42 < gw> then you will need a working nameserver setup
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01:43 < Piliphus> when i install the system there is no way to find some questions with google oslt
01:44 < Piliphus> so i try with the vb
01:44 < gw> then there is something wrong with your network configuration
01:44 < gw> how did you setup networking for your virtual machine?
01:44 < Piliphus> the vb is not connectet
01:44 < gw> is it bridged or host only? (I don't know how vb handles/calls this)
01:45 < gw> if it is not connected, then you only have a loopback device in your t2-system (lo0)
01:45 < gw> the ip address for lo0 is 127.0.0.1
01:45 < gw> and you don't have a name server then
01:46 < gw> because it is not necessary for setup without networking
01:46 < Piliphus> ive configured the vb with network the adapter should be enabled. but the vb is not connectet with the inet
01:46 < Piliphus> i dont need
01:47 < gw> ah ok
01:49 < Piliphus> im confused about the host and the eth configuration. the host needs DNS and the eth one needs nameserver?
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01:49 < gw> maybe vb provides you with a dhcp server, then you set your network device in vb to use dhcp to configure itself. nameserver setup should also go automatically per dhcp
01:52 < Piliphus> if you think dhcp is that simple. i would know it exactly. but i think for my experience i have to take teh dhcp
01:52 < gw> the host should have a nameserver configured :)... else you can't surf the internet
01:52 < gw> I know, that vmware, sets up a dhcp server for it's virtual machines.... works quite well :)
01:53 < Piliphus> you dont understand what i mean. im able to instal the iso on my hd.
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01:54 < Piliphus> on my opinion whem im gettint to compile the vb is getting to busy
01:54 < gw> yes I am afraid, that I got something wrong with your problem too
01:54 < Piliphus> is beter to compile on the hgost. dont you think?
01:54 < Piliphus> host
01:55 < gw> mmm.. it should work in vb too, but yes, a virtual machine is always a fair bit slower, than a real machine
01:56 < Piliphus> what ive try to tell. i use the vb now to get some skill by the configuration an so on..
01:56 < Piliphus> you know
01:56 < Piliphus> ?
01:57 < Piliphus> so i can use the chat meanwhile
01:57 < gw> yes, I understood that, but I was not sure, whether you want to setup a working network with your vb or just wanted to know how it works behind the scene
01:58 < Piliphus> behind the scene
01:58 < Piliphus> ..
01:58 < gw> ok :)
02:00 < gw> the scripts which provide the tags for the network config file, come from the various packages. e.g. the script which implements the dhcp tag is installed by the dhcpd or dhclient package
02:00 < gw> you can find those in the t2-sources
02:01 < Piliphus> next problem. the setup ended by mistake.
02:03 < gw> the stone tool? or the installer? error message?
02:04 < gw> btw. most tools/scripts in T2 are rather robust, and you can safely Ctrl-C them and start again
02:05 < Piliphus> the stone system configuration.
02:08 < Piliphus> do you know what im abel to do now? take off the computer qand getting some sleep... i will try tomorrow.. no way now
02:09 < gw> you have a running linux :)
02:09 < gw> you can do whatever you can do with a linux... (sorry I am not sure what you mean)
02:10 < gw> if you are missing some programs, you can "emerge" them.....
02:10 < gw> but this involves some compiling, so it is maybe a bit time consuming in vb
02:11 < Piliphus> no. I'AM tired have to say thank you very much for the help and your patience...
02:11 < gw> your welcome... sorry for the misundrstanding
02:11 < Piliphus> and good night
02:11 < Piliphus> thank you...
02:12 < gw> god night
02:13 < Piliphus> i dont mind if i do..
02:13 < Piliphus> good night.
02:13 * Piliphus bye
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09:21 < rxr> re
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10:51 < michael-i> hi everyone
10:53 < michael-i> I'm compiling trunk on a t2 7.0rc2 host. With blackfin as target architecture, uclibc fails to compile with an implicit declaration failure for '__syscall_ipc' (http://pastebin.ca/1251688)
10:54 < michael-i> I've looked upstream on blackfin.uclinux.org 's website for an updated uclibc-bfin package but was unable to find a similarly named package.
11:15 < michael-i> Ok...found how to update this in architecture/blackfin/package/uclibc. I've moved up to the latest revision from blackfin.uclinux.org's repo and am trying again
11:21 < rxr> le us know how it goes
11:22 < michael-i> will do
11:23 < michael-i> ....if only blackfin's svn wasn't so frustratingly slow
14:00 < michael-i> using r2892 of blackfin's uClibc results in the same error (http://pastebin.ca/1253243)
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14:37 < rxr> hm
14:39 < michael-i> I've gone through and updated the binutils, gcc and linux26 desc files for blackfin with the newest trunk versions and am retrying. Downloading from their server is a nightmare...
15:35 < rxr> michael-i: on my side blackfin uclibc builds
15:35 < rxr> guess time to remove that downloaded file as well .. to see if our mirros have a slighty other variant ?
15:36 < michael-i> I want to finish trying the updated versions. There are more than a 1000 revisions between them and the ones in t2-trunk
15:39 < rxr> hm - the t2 mirror version gives me very strange errors
15:39 < rxr> why the heck are the mirror files other than the one on my laptop ..
16:23 < mpp> strace is broken due broken patch
16:24 < mpp> http://pastebin.com/m766e38d3
16:55 < rxr> I think it can be removed, now
16:56 < rxr> I guess I missed the svn rm due classic patch from the lsit
17:39 < CIA-4> rene * r31210 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/dolt-older-shell.patch: * fixed cairo to build with bash-3.00
17:43 < mpp> hey rxr
17:43 < mpp> gota question regarding nxterm
17:43 < mpp> there are many distros
17:44 < mpp> who do not have nxterm in their export variables
17:44 < mpp> i could not even find one in t2
17:45 < mpp> when i login from a t2 host onto another system and start e.g. mc or other ncurses progs i get an error saying nxterm not found
17:45 < rxr> I guess with xterm ?
17:46 < mpp> :~# mc Unknown terminal: nxterm Check the TERM environment variable. Also make sure that the terminal is defined in the terminfo database. Alternatively, set the TERMCAP environment variable to the desired termcap entry
17:47 < mpp> i don't get it - on t2 it works fine
17:47 < mpp> on other distros
17:47 < mpp> not
17:47 < rxr> you speak in "raetseln"
17:48 < rxr> so when you log into a remote system from a t2 xterm?
17:48 < mpp> yes
17:48 < mpp> thats what i meant sorry
17:48 < mpp> so what am i missing
17:48 < rxr> ok - so proably just too new xtern, maybe one can even patch / configure xterm to behave differently
17:48 < rxr> you can probably work around this by running TERM=xtern-new mc # on the remote system or so
17:48 < rxr> one could even patch xterm to behave saner
17:50 < mpp> question is why does t2 user nxterm on the other hand many other xterm
17:51 < mpp> they seem to refert to the same xterm
17:51 < rxr> they probably all patch xterm
17:51 < mpp> ah k
17:51 < rxr> or set some configure option if xterm has some default-term-indicator whatever option
17:51 < mpp> wtf - patcheritis :-(
17:51 < mpp> t2 is sane
17:52 < mpp> otherdistrohere insane !
17:52 < mpp> k
17:52 < mpp> bbl
17:58 < rxr> I do not comment
17:58 < rxr> of course some t2 defaults are also not superly sane, as many t2 defaults are just coincidents of upstream default behaviour
18:20 < CIA-4> rene * r31211 /trunk/package/base/strace/arch-arm.patch: * removed no longer applying strace/arm patch
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18:48 < rxr> hm - svn with it's thousands files makes t2-trunk no fun on real ARM silicon ...
19:09 < mpp> nope
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20:31 < Piliphus> goog evening
20:31 < Piliphus> good
20:32 < mpp> hey Piliphus
20:32 < Piliphus> hi mpp
20:44 < Piliphus> i have a siple question. is there any german handbook for t2 ?
20:46 < mpp> ahm--- nope ! :-)
20:46 < mpp> try the other way around
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20:48 < Piliphus> the english handbook should be not that problem of course. but somtimes i become unsure...
20:49 < Piliphus> getting
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21:02 < Surma1> hey guys. How come, that while in Config, going back one menu takes pretty long (like 3-4 seconds)? Seems like it restarts some kind of lua script everytime?
21:02 < Surma1> is that normal?
21:09 < rxr> yes, that normal needs optimization
21:10 < Surma1> damn :S makes the whole thing really exhausting ;)
21:20 < Piliphus> good bye. if i have any questions iam gonna ask ...
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00:31 < Piliphus> hello ...
00:32 < Piliphus> english speaking only?
00:33 < Piliphus> german?
00:35 < Piliphus> there are some questions about building an t2 system
00:35 < Piliphus> a
00:35 < Piliphus> no problem. i know it is late.
00:36 < gw> hi piliphus.... yes in general english speaking only
00:37 < Piliphus> hi gw all right i will try
00:37 < gw> just ask.... i'll give it a try to answer
00:38 < Piliphus> i'm able to build a minimal system with x-server and fluxbox
00:38 < gw> dict.leo.org is wonderful german - english dictionary if you need on (and don't know it already :) )
00:39 < gw> on => one
00:40 < Piliphus> one moment please
00:43 < Piliphus> when i use the prebuild what option i have to use gasgui or gasstone?
00:44 < gw> mmm.... sorry, I've never used gasgui... it never worked for me
00:44 < gw> but what do you wnat to do?
00:44 < gw> installing?
00:44 < gw> or install additional packages?
00:45 < gw> or just install additional alread built binary packages?
00:45 < Piliphus> what i have to know is what i can do with this installation.
00:46 < gw> ok... so you built the minimal-x with fluxbox and you don't know how to install it?
00:46 < Piliphus> i dont know where i can select the packeges?
00:47 < gw> for installation?
00:47 < gw> mm.. when you boot the iso you built, then it will install all what is on the cd (I guess :) )
00:47 < Piliphus> yes
00:48 < gw> to install additional packages I mostly use 'mine'
00:48 < gw> the command line packaging tool for T2
00:48 < gw> mine -i
00:48 < Piliphus> and thats the t2system on that i can install x and fluxbox?
00:48 < gw> installs a single binary package
00:49 < gw> after you installed all from the built iso('s) ... you should be able to boot your newly installed T2 :)
00:49 < gw> not from cd, but from the harddisk where you installed it
00:49 < Piliphus> or is it the system where i build the cd for example
00:49 < gw> no
00:50 < gw> the system where you built it, is just the build-environment
00:50 < gw> you can use the build-environment to build additional packages, if you want
00:50 < Piliphus> ok
00:50 < gw> you can also install the t2-src-tree into your newly installed T2-system and "emerge" new packages into it (a bit like gentoo works)
00:51 < Piliphus> im able to....
00:51 < gw> I prefer building in my build-environment (my installed t2 is also the host system for the build environment) and install the binary packages I build with mine
00:51 < Piliphus> i never worked with gentoo
00:52 < gw> no worries.... T2 is somewhat different :)
00:52 < Piliphus> im linux newbe in that case
00:52 < Piliphus> but im interested
00:52 < gw> that's fine :)
00:52 < Piliphus> i will try
00:53 < gw> the T2 handbook should have some documentation about installing, "emerging", aso..... but I am not sure how good the documentation is there. It's a while ago I had a look at it.
00:54 < Piliphus> aha
00:56 < gw> in general people have a look at the handbook, and then ask here, because they did not find an answer there :)
00:56 < Piliphus> at first i've to install the t2cd... and with this system i can build my t2
00:57 < gw> yes
00:57 < gw> you can also just use the system you have with the t2cd and only install additional packages you want
00:58 < Piliphus> i've readed the book 5 times but im not sure what ican do with the .tar one 'and what can i do with the .iso oine
00:58 < gw> or you build a complete new t2-system, if you need different architecture options as those provided by the prebuilt t2-cd
00:59 < gw> the .iso is soething you can burn on a cd and boot from it :)
00:59 < Piliphus> no, i wish to build an minimal system with x-server an fluxbox.
00:59 < gw> the .tar I, am not sure
00:59 < gw> must have a look at the .tar thing
00:59 < Piliphus> i know
01:00 < gw> the advantage of the prebuilt iso's is, that you have a system, where you can build a new t2-system with.
01:00 < gw> the t2-build-environment has some problems with mainstream distros
01:00 < gw> because they tend to patch things like awk, sed, make aso... in a strange way
01:01 < gw> ok.... then install one of the prebuilds....
01:01 < gw> download the t2-src tree (trunk or one of the stable branches)
01:01 < gw> and configure your build (but I thought you did this already)
01:01 < Piliphus> the handbook tells only what to do with the .tar there are 2 or 3 sentense about usen the .iso is better. because building the t2 on a t2 i better. but nowhere is told about using the .iso
01:02 < gw> using the .iso is just, burn it on a cd, or insert it into a virtual machine if you want :)
01:02 < gw> boot from it, and follow the directions to install a t2-system on your computer/virtual machine from the cd
01:03 < gw> it's a prebuilt binary distribution of a generic t2-system.... just like you would install one of the mainstream distros from cd
01:03 < Piliphus> know ive boith the tar one on terminal and the .iso in vb
01:03 < gw> maybe without a very comfortable installer :)
01:03 < Piliphus> only for testing for skill
01:03 < Piliphus> not for building
01:03 < gw> :)
01:04 < Piliphus> thats the problem tar and iso do different things
01:05 < Piliphus> but know i know i use the iso and install it. with that system i can build my t2
01:05 < gw> mmm.. i am not sure whether they are so different :)...
01:05 < gw> ah... I think I remeber
01:05 < gw> the .tar is just the build-environment, while the .iso is a complete functional linux, built with the T2-build environment
01:06 < Piliphus> sandbox
01:06 < gw> yea... or working copy :)
01:07 < gw> you can consider the .tar as snapshot from the subversion repository
01:07 < Piliphus> thats the next problem. i never use svn before.
01:08 < gw> so.... to use it, boot your t2-system fromt the t2cd you installed, you can unpack there .tar file and start bulding your own, or checkout the svn-tree und use this checkout instead of the .tar file you downloaded
01:08 < gw> svn is rather easy to use....
01:09 < gw> you'll find the exact command line commands here: http://www.t2-project.org/download/
01:09 < Piliphus> i've lerned something about svn this eavening
01:09 < gw> :)
01:19 < Piliphus> yesterday i installed the system the first time. but the configuration offers too much questions.. thats not the problem. later i become unsettled what i've to do with that system?
01:19 < gw> which system?.... you mean you started ./scripts/Config script?
01:20 < gw> yeah, there are quite a lot of options there :)
01:20 < gw> but to start, you can leave most of the options at their default values
01:20 < Piliphus> the t2 iso i installt in the vb
01:21 < gw> mmm... it's a while ago, I installed a t2-system from iso, but I don't remember, that the installer gave much choices :)
01:21 < gw> the stone tool, (the configuration tool), is not that complicated, and you only need the most crucial options there....
01:21 < gw> like network setup, and runlevel configuration
01:22 < gw> the package installer in the stone tool, never worked for me.... so I have no experience with that
01:22 < Piliphus> how do you?
01:22 < gw> how I do the installation?
01:23 < Piliphus> yes
01:23 < gw> I guess I started with a t2-prebuilt, quite a couple of years ago... (one of the first usable versions, after fork of rock-linux)
01:24 < gw> since then I only build binary packages with the build environment, and install them with mine or just untar them to a file system root :)
01:24 < Piliphus> my first linux installation on august
01:24 < Piliphus> and expirence
01:25 < gw> ah yes, that's not very long :)
01:25 < Piliphus> at this time i install in my vb
01:25 < gw> vb => virtual box?
01:25 < Piliphus> i hav to configure the eth. the static domain is 127.0.0.1?
01:26 < Piliphus> virtual box!
01:26 < Piliphus> static host is localhost for example
01:26 < gw> 127.0.0.1 is you local domain, it is only valid on your system and is not usable for networking only on the local system/computer
01:27 < Piliphus> the setup is asking about?
01:28 < Piliphus> i think
01:28 < Piliphus> will not mean a thing...;)
01:29 < Piliphus> what about the static DNS-Server?
01:32 < Piliphus> i know about the 127.0.0.1
01:33 < Piliphus> im getting confused. what the f*** i s a global tag?
01:35 < gw> :)
01:35 < Piliphus> dont laugh
01:35 < Piliphus> !
01:35 < gw> the network config is in the file /etc/config/network or so
01:35 < gw> it is somewhat hierarchical organised
01:35 < gw> the stone tool is just a gui to make entries there
01:35 < gw> tags are config options in this file
01:36 < Piliphus> interesting...
01:36 < gw> they are made available in the scripts you can find in /usr/libexec/network (or anywhere near there... sorry I dont't remember exactly)
01:37 < gw> the tags are merely the names of the scripts at that location
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01:37 < gw> in the network config file, you make an entry for every network device you have/need/want to configure
01:37 < gw> global tags set options for all devices.
01:38 < gw> e.g. setting the nameserver is a global options, because it is not specific for a special network device
01:39 < gw> setting a static ip address is specific to a certain network device, so it does not make sense to use it in a global context
01:39 < Piliphus> im unsure what ive to do with the static DSN-Server is the 255.255.255.0 to use?
01:39 < gw> nope
01:40 < Piliphus> i think ive never be a good network admin...
01:40 < gw> as nameserver you want to use an address where a nameserver can be found
01:40 < gw> I don't know whether virtual box provides you with one
01:40 < gw> else you just set the same entries there you have in your host system
01:40 < gw> host system of your vb
01:41 < Piliphus> what the vb nedds is not that importent. i use the vb to practice the configuration.
01:42 < gw> you want to access the internet or your local lan with the t2-system in your vb?
01:42 < gw> then you will need a working nameserver setup
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01:43 < Piliphus> when i install the system there is no way to find some questions with google oslt
01:44 < Piliphus> so i try with the vb
01:44 < gw> then there is something wrong with your network configuration
01:44 < gw> how did you setup networking for your virtual machine?
01:44 < Piliphus> the vb is not connectet
01:44 < gw> is it bridged or host only? (I don't know how vb handles/calls this)
01:45 < gw> if it is not connected, then you only have a loopback device in your t2-system (lo0)
01:45 < gw> the ip address for lo0 is 127.0.0.1
01:45 < gw> and you don't have a name server then
01:46 < gw> because it is not necessary for setup without networking
01:46 < Piliphus> ive configured the vb with network the adapter should be enabled. but the vb is not connectet with the inet
01:46 < Piliphus> i dont need
01:47 < gw> ah ok
01:49 < Piliphus> im confused about the host and the eth configuration. the host needs DNS and the eth one needs nameserver?
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01:49 < gw> maybe vb provides you with a dhcp server, then you set your network device in vb to use dhcp to configure itself. nameserver setup should also go automatically per dhcp
01:52 < Piliphus> if you think dhcp is that simple. i would know it exactly. but i think for my experience i have to take teh dhcp
01:52 < gw> the host should have a nameserver configured :)... else you can't surf the internet
01:52 < gw> I know, that vmware, sets up a dhcp server for it's virtual machines.... works quite well :)
01:53 < Piliphus> you dont understand what i mean. im able to instal the iso on my hd.
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01:54 < Piliphus> on my opinion whem im gettint to compile the vb is getting to busy
01:54 < gw> yes I am afraid, that I got something wrong with your problem too
01:54 < Piliphus> is beter to compile on the hgost. dont you think?
01:54 < Piliphus> host
01:55 < gw> mmm.. it should work in vb too, but yes, a virtual machine is always a fair bit slower, than a real machine
01:56 < Piliphus> what ive try to tell. i use the vb now to get some skill by the configuration an so on..
01:56 < Piliphus> you know
01:56 < Piliphus> ?
01:57 < Piliphus> so i can use the chat meanwhile
01:57 < gw> yes, I understood that, but I was not sure, whether you want to setup a working network with your vb or just wanted to know how it works behind the scene
01:58 < Piliphus> behind the scene
01:58 < Piliphus> ..
01:58 < gw> ok :)
02:00 < gw> the scripts which provide the tags for the network config file, come from the various packages. e.g. the script which implements the dhcp tag is installed by the dhcpd or dhclient package
02:00 < gw> you can find those in the t2-sources
02:01 < Piliphus> next problem. the setup ended by mistake.
02:03 < gw> the stone tool? or the installer? error message?
02:04 < gw> btw. most tools/scripts in T2 are rather robust, and you can safely Ctrl-C them and start again
02:05 < Piliphus> the stone system configuration.
02:08 < Piliphus> do you know what im abel to do now? take off the computer qand getting some sleep... i will try tomorrow.. no way now
02:09 < gw> you have a running linux :)
02:09 < gw> you can do whatever you can do with a linux... (sorry I am not sure what you mean)
02:10 < gw> if you are missing some programs, you can "emerge" them.....
02:10 < gw> but this involves some compiling, so it is maybe a bit time consuming in vb
02:11 < Piliphus> no. I'AM tired have to say thank you very much for the help and your patience...
02:11 < gw> your welcome... sorry for the misundrstanding
02:11 < Piliphus> and good night
02:11 < Piliphus> thank you...
02:12 < gw> god night
02:13 < Piliphus> i dont mind if i do..
02:13 < Piliphus> good night.
02:13 * Piliphus bye
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09:21 < rxr> re
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10:51 < michael-i> hi everyone
10:53 < michael-i> I'm compiling trunk on a t2 7.0rc2 host. With blackfin as target architecture, uclibc fails to compile with an implicit declaration failure for '__syscall_ipc' (http://pastebin.ca/1251688)
10:54 < michael-i> I've looked upstream on blackfin.uclinux.org 's website for an updated uclibc-bfin package but was unable to find a similarly named package.
11:15 < michael-i> Ok...found how to update this in architecture/blackfin/package/uclibc. I've moved up to the latest revision from blackfin.uclinux.org's repo and am trying again
11:21 < rxr> le us know how it goes
11:22 < michael-i> will do
11:23 < michael-i> ....if only blackfin's svn wasn't so frustratingly slow
14:00 < michael-i> using r2892 of blackfin's uClibc results in the same error (http://pastebin.ca/1253243)
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14:37 < rxr> hm
14:39 < michael-i> I've gone through and updated the binutils, gcc and linux26 desc files for blackfin with the newest trunk versions and am retrying. Downloading from their server is a nightmare...
15:35 < rxr> michael-i: on my side blackfin uclibc builds
15:35 < rxr> guess time to remove that downloaded file as well .. to see if our mirros have a slighty other variant ?
15:36 < michael-i> I want to finish trying the updated versions. There are more than a 1000 revisions between them and the ones in t2-trunk
15:39 < rxr> hm - the t2 mirror version gives me very strange errors
15:39 < rxr> why the heck are the mirror files other than the one on my laptop ..
16:23 < mpp> strace is broken due broken patch
16:24 < mpp> http://pastebin.com/m766e38d3
16:55 < rxr> I think it can be removed, now
16:56 < rxr> I guess I missed the svn rm due classic patch from the lsit
17:39 < CIA-4> rene * r31210 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/dolt-older-shell.patch: * fixed cairo to build with bash-3.00
17:43 < mpp> hey rxr
17:43 < mpp> gota question regarding nxterm
17:43 < mpp> there are many distros
17:44 < mpp> who do not have nxterm in their export variables
17:44 < mpp> i could not even find one in t2
17:45 < mpp> when i login from a t2 host onto another system and start e.g. mc or other ncurses progs i get an error saying nxterm not found
17:45 < rxr> I guess with xterm ?
17:46 < mpp> :~# mc Unknown terminal: nxterm Check the TERM environment variable. Also make sure that the terminal is defined in the terminfo database. Alternatively, set the TERMCAP environment variable to the desired termcap entry
17:47 < mpp> i don't get it - on t2 it works fine
17:47 < mpp> on other distros
17:47 < mpp> not
17:47 < rxr> you speak in "raetseln"
17:48 < rxr> so when you log into a remote system from a t2 xterm?
17:48 < mpp> yes
17:48 < mpp> thats what i meant sorry
17:48 < mpp> so what am i missing
17:48 < rxr> ok - so proably just too new xtern, maybe one can even patch / configure xterm to behave differently
17:48 < rxr> you can probably work around this by running TERM=xtern-new mc # on the remote system or so
17:48 < rxr> one could even patch xterm to behave saner
17:50 < mpp> question is why does t2 user nxterm on the other hand many other xterm
17:51 < mpp> they seem to refert to the same xterm
17:51 < rxr> they probably all patch xterm
17:51 < mpp> ah k
17:51 < rxr> or set some configure option if xterm has some default-term-indicator whatever option
17:51 < mpp> wtf - patcheritis :-(
17:51 < mpp> t2 is sane
17:52 < mpp> otherdistrohere insane !
17:52 < mpp> k
17:52 < mpp> bbl
17:58 < rxr> I do not comment
17:58 < rxr> of course some t2 defaults are also not superly sane, as many t2 defaults are just coincidents of upstream default behaviour
18:20 < CIA-4> rene * r31211 /trunk/package/base/strace/arch-arm.patch: * removed no longer applying strace/arm patch
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18:48 < rxr> hm - svn with it's thousands files makes t2-trunk no fun on real ARM silicon ...
19:09 < mpp> nope
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20:31 < Piliphus> goog evening
20:31 < Piliphus> good
20:32 < mpp> hey Piliphus
20:32 < Piliphus> hi mpp
20:44 < Piliphus> i have a siple question. is there any german handbook for t2 ?
20:46 < mpp> ahm--- nope ! :-)
20:46 < mpp> try the other way around
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20:48 < Piliphus> the english handbook should be not that problem of course. but somtimes i become unsure...
20:49 < Piliphus> getting
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21:02 < Surma1> hey guys. How come, that while in Config, going back one menu takes pretty long (like 3-4 seconds)? Seems like it restarts some kind of lua script everytime?
21:02 < Surma1> is that normal?
21:09 < rxr> yes, that normal needs optimization
21:10 < Surma1> damn :S makes the whole thing really exhausting ;)
21:20 < Piliphus> good bye. if i have any questions iam gonna ask ...
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