T2 IRC Log: 2008-10-28

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--- Log opened Tue Oct 28 00:00:42 2008
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09:07 < mtr> moin
09:14 < rxr> moin
09:14 < CIA-4> rene * r31030 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.27.3 -> 2.6.27.4)
09:19 < CIA-4> rene * r31031 /trunk/package/base/libpcap/libpcap.desc: * updated libpcap (0.9.8 -> 1.0.0)
09:20 < mtr> hi rxr
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09:38 < mtr> 2867 builds total, 1806 completed fine, 181 with errors, 880 to go.
09:39 < mtr> failure rate already over 5% :(
09:40 < CIA-4> mtr * r31032 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc: * updated vlc (0.9.4 -> 0.9.5)
09:40 < rxr> mtr: -ESO_MANY_PKGS
09:43 < mpp> moinsen mtr - rxr
09:44 < mtr> moin mpp
09:45 < mpp> are you building all packagees mtr ?
09:50 < mtr> mostly, I have disabled some selected pkgs, like games, or go-ooo
09:51 < mtr> cat config/desktop/packages | grep ^X | wc -l
09:51 < mtr> 2728
09:58 < rxr> mtr: you saw my e17 remarks yesterday ?
09:59 < CIA-4> rene * r31033 /trunk/package/lua/luajit/luajit.desc: * updated luajit (1.1.4 -> 1.1.5)
10:01 < mtr> rxr: yes, I took a note about e :)
10:02 < mtr> too bad that Baldzius is not around, I'd like to commit a xine-lib fix,
10:02 < mtr> it definitely does not build on trunk
10:02 < mtr> but it does for him
10:02 < rxr> I think he said it doesn't build because of renamed header directories
10:03 < rxr> and we found it only build accidently for him due to the old files still around
10:03 < rxr> how does your fix look like ?
10:04 < mtr> svn delete ffmpeg-api.patch :)
10:05 < mtr> and two new hotfixes from http://hg.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib
10:05 < mtr> to build with the changed ffmpeg ABI
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12:19 < koan> awesome needs imlib2 to build
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12:35 < rxr> koan: fixed
12:36 < CIA-4> rene * r31034 /trunk/package/x11/awesome/awesome.cache: * updated awesome.cache
12:36 < rxr> I have an awesome upate pending on my ref builder, but the new 3 version has some wired new deps ..
12:36 < koan> I'm very interested in the new version
12:38 < koan> how will you do this package-wise? a package awesome and a package awesome3?
12:39 < rxr> nope, normally only the latest version
12:40 < rxr> only for very "important" packages we have old versions, e.g. gtk+12, or bdb3...
12:40 < koan> ok
12:40 < rxr> for latest vs. stable we hve the release branches that only receive "security and other fixes"
12:41 < koan> now with the new lua config format in awesome 3 I'd like to learn lua, can you suggest a good tutorial?
12:42 < rxr> the book of Roberto is quite good
12:43 < rxr> the one that's advertised on the lua frontpage: http://www.lua.org/
12:43 < koan> I'll look into it, thanks
12:43 < koan> what are you using Lua for in T2?
12:44 < rxr> right now not much yet, only for package selection processing
12:44 < rxr> the reason for that is that before it was "accelerated" with some "pure C" bash plugin whidh did not even accelerate the code pathes used by t2 today
12:44 < rxr> (and segfaulted sometimes)
12:45 < rxr> so we rewrote this custom "accel" code part in lua to get cleaner code and also accelerated the kind of package selection processing used in t2 today
12:45 < rxr> in the future we could further fix speed and usability by rewriting more parts of the Config in Lua (or even other parts of T2)
12:45 < rxr> but the Config is what is most important to improve to not scare new users away with this "slow beast"
12:46 < koan> ok
12:46 < mpp> hey rxr
12:46 < rxr> (in our company we use Lua for other stuff as well, pretty decent language, and clean, maintainable & readable)
12:47 < mpp> any chance of getting cache files updated in trunk in large ?
12:47 < rxr> mpp: yes, I worked on haveing some pretty list showing the diffs and most important warning about random changes
12:47 < rxr> but until I got that sorted out I figured I better updated single ones immediately when people complain :-)
12:48 < mpp> k
12:48 < rxr> I also want to fix some packages to create some basic directories
12:48 < rxr> e.g. I manaulyl deleted the libpciaccess dependency from the awesome cache when I noticed the new .cache just depending on libpciaccess because libpciaccess installed the usr/X11/lib directory first of all packages
12:49 < rxr> we should improve some early libx* package like x11proto to install it so we do not have this "normal packages depend on driver PCI acces lib" case
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12:55 < CIA-4> rene * r31035 /trunk/package/xorg/xcb-util/ (. xcb-util.cache xcb-util.desc): * adde xcb-util (0.3.0) - A number of libxcb / libX11 extension / replacement libraries
13:16 < koan> if I build xscreensaver, I get a lot of weird dependencies, like mono, evolution, ffmpeg and seamonkey
13:28 < rxr> hm - I do nto have the ffmpeg one, but the mono mone looks valid
13:28 < koan> but evolution is weird
13:31 < rxr> maybe thats a case as I just outlined, evolution created some directory and xscreensaver installed a file into it
13:32 < rxr> you can check in /var/adm/dep-debug/$pkg
13:32 < koan> hm could be
13:33 < rxr> grep evolution /var/adm/dep-debug/xscreensaver
13:33 < koan> ok I'll look at it when it is built
13:34 < rxr> ah - in our upstream .cache - well I can just update it why what my reference build got
13:34 < rxr> I thought you meant your local build's deps
13:36 < koan> I'm building xscreensaver right now and saw it scheduled evolution etcetera to build
13:37 < rxr> I from the deps my ref build got I have the feeling xscreensaver does something very wired, such as querying all packages from pkg-config
13:37 < rxr> because on my side the new .cache depends on a whole lot of stuff, including twolame and unshield etc. and only on the .pc files
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13:39 < CIA-4> rene * r31036 /trunk/package/lua/lualogging/ (. lualogging.cache lualogging.conf lualogging.desc): * added lualogging (1.1.4) - A simple API to use logging features in Lua
13:39 < CIA-4> rene * r31037 /trunk/package/lua/luadoc/ (. luadoc.cache luadoc.conf luadoc.desc): * added luadoc (3.0.1) - Documentation Generator Tool for the Lua language
13:48 < CIA-4> rene * r31038 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/cairo.conf: * improved cairo to enable xcb support if libxcb is available
13:48 < rxr> koan: awesome needs all this new packags ...
13:50 < koan> which ones?
13:50 < rxr> the last commits
13:50 < rxr> lualogging luadoc
13:50 < rxr> and cairo with libxcb
14:20 < CIA-4> rene * r31039 /trunk/package/x11/awesome/ (awesome.cache awesome.conf awesome.desc): * updated awesome (2.3.4 -> 3.0)
14:23 < koan> cool :-)
14:29 < rxr> hope it works, and have fun with all the new deps ...
14:30 < koan> :-)
15:02 < CIA-4> rene * r31040 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (10-minimal-xorg.in 50-minimal-desktop.in):
15:02 < CIA-4> * moved python from minimal-desktop template to minimal-xorg to
15:02 < CIA-4> fullfil new xcb dependencies
15:14 < koan> rxr: glibmm needs libsigc++
15:20 < rxr> it's in the cache
15:20 < rxr> t2-trunk# grep libsigc++ package/gnome2/glibmm/glibmm.cache
15:20 < rxr> [DEP] libsigc++
15:22 < koan> hm here too, but the build complains that it cannot find it
15:22 < koan> after emerging libsigc++ manually glibmm builds
15:23 < rxr> Emerge glibmm did not had it in the list ?
15:24 < koan> no
15:35 < rxr> oops, there was quite some list backlog
15:35 < rxr> guess I need to look for something more useful than thunderbird ...
15:40 < koan> btw is there some TODO list of some useful tasks that could be done for T2? I'd be happy to help while exploring and playing with the system
15:40 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
15:40 < rxr> we also need to get some bug tracker up again
15:40 < rxr> trac is down since we "lost" some server at a university in germany (that no longer wanted to host open source stuff ... long storry)
15:41 < rxr> in the source there is also a TODO
15:41 < rxr> but a little dated
15:42 < koan> ah 7.0 final is already released?
15:43 < rxr> nope
15:44 < koan> because it's not anymore in the roadmap
15:48 < mtr> openssl cross compile error:
15:48 < mtr> i486-t2-linux-uclibc-as: unrecognized option `-PIC'
15:49 < mtr> found the same report in the t2 log, some weeks ago for i686-...
15:57 < mtr> r30681: * specify AS in the makeopts during cross build
15:58 < mtr> seems that openssl does prefer gcc to compile the asm source
16:01 < koan> hm building awesome 3 gives the error "ev library not found.", I can't find which library that is
16:06 < rxr> oh
16:07 < rxr> yeah - I ahve such a package here but it failed, shared header ...
16:15 < CIA-4> rene * r31041 /trunk/package/develop/libev/ (. libev.cache libev.conf libev.desc): * added libev (3.44) - A high performance and full-featured C event loop
16:16 < rxr> that should do it :-)
16:16 < CIA-4> rene * r31042 /trunk/package/develop/libev/libev.desc: * changed libev build priority (800.000 -> 400.000)
16:16 < rxr> so - neat - my working-copy (WC) changes are down to just 379...
16:17 < koan> what's your working copy?
16:17 < rxr> define "what"
16:18 < rxr> working copy is the generic term of version control (specifically SVN) checkouts
16:18 < rxr> so the SVN checkout + local modifications on one of my main boxes ... :-)
16:19 < koan> ah ok
16:30 < CIA-4> rene * r31043 /trunk/package/graphic/jbigkit/ (jbigkit.conf jbigkit.desc shared-variant.patch): * updated jbigkit (1.6 -> 2.0)
16:37 < CIA-4> rene * r31044 /trunk/package/graphic/jbigkit/ (jbigkit.conf shared-variant.patch): * improved r31043 to build shared variants of jbigkit, again
16:48 < CIA-4> mtr * r31045 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/squashfs-tools-getnprocs.patch: * fixed squashfs-tools for uClibc builds
16:50 < CIA-4> mtr * r31046 /trunk/package/security/openssl/openssl.conf:
16:50 < CIA-4> * fixed openssl cross-build, failed due to new AS environment
16:50 < CIA-4> variable introduced in r30681
17:10 < CIA-4> rene * r31047 /trunk/package/graphic/jbig2enc/ (. gcc4.patch jbig2enc.conf jbig2enc.desc sys-lepton.patch): * added jbig2enc (0.27) - An encoder for JBIG2
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17:42 < koan> rxr: libev.desc should refer to version 3.45, because 3.44 isn't on the project website
17:43 < rxr> ouhm
17:43 < rxr> yeah - had it lingering around with a "shared files conflict" for some months already
17:43 < koan> awesome 3 builds now after I changed libev.desc
17:44 < rxr> great, does it alwo work at "run-time"?
17:44 < rxr> e.g. I have not started it on this "just testing building machine"
17:44 < rxr> merely quickly got all the deps together to finally update it for you :-)
17:45 < koan> I'll try it in a moment
17:45 < CIA-4> rene * r31048 /trunk/package/develop/libev/libev.desc: * updated libev (3.44 -> 3.45)
17:46 < koan> nice, it seems to work
17:46 < koan> many thanks rxr !
17:47 < rxr> you're welcome ;-)
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18:39 < CIA-4> rene * r31049 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_packages.sh:
18:39 < CIA-4> * change default stone packaging mount point from the classic
18:39 < CIA-4> /mnt/cdrom to the new-style /media/cdrom
19:01 < CIA-4> rene * r31050 /trunk/package/e17/ (51 files in 50 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:01 < CIA-4> * updated all of e17 to the same revision, again, including:
19:01 < CIA-4> * updated enna (r37242 -> r37266)
19:01 < CIA-4> * updated etk (r37242 -> r37266)
19:01 < CIA-4> * updated estickies (r37242 -> r37266)
19:01 < CIA-4> * updated examine (r37242 -> r37266)
19:01 < CIA-4> * updated engage (r37242 -> r37266)
19:01 < rxr> mtr: so e17 should be on a single revision again
19:01 < rxr> (I hope)
19:01 < rxr> cu all
19:02 < Ragnarin> cya
19:02 < Ragnarin> lol
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20:46 < CIA-4> aldas * r31051 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/ffmpeg-api.patch: * second try to get xine-lib compiled with the newest ffmpeg
21:16 < rxr> hey Ragnarin
21:17 < Ragnarin> hey
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21:26 < CIA-4> mtr * r31052 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/ (5 files): * added and modified patches for uClibc builds: nfs-utils, psmisc, imagemagick, util-linux
21:33 < mtr> hi Ragnarin
21:33 < mtr> anyone currently actively using uClibc on trunk?
21:33 < mtr> Is it ok to commit a 0.9.30-rc2 update?
21:40 < mpp> is it used in the rescue target ?
21:40 < mpp> i would be interested in
21:42 < mtr> hmm, rescue target uses glibc, afair
21:42 < mtr> but maybe it would be interesting to save some bits and swith over to uclibc
21:56 < mpp> hey - is anybody using vmware-server under t2 ?
21:56 < mpp> i would be very gratefull if someone could help out to get it running on a t2 host
21:56 < mpp> preferable vmware server 1.0.7
21:57 < mpp> i would love to migrate more machines to t2 as host os - but virtualization is the dealbreaker
21:57 < mpp> and since none of the current do work proper - i'll have to put migration on hold
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22:08 < rxr> mtr: I use uclibc
22:08 < rxr> I noticed some breakage on some packages I do not use with uclibc
22:08 < rxr> but my production use works :-)
22:08 < rxr> hi tri
22:14 < mtr> rxr: ok, I'll commit the .30 update then, and we'll see what else gets broken
22:16 < rxr> autsch
22:16 < rxr> ok - I'll have fun
22:17 < rxr> (and some uclibc reference build to wipe=
22:17 < rxr> ) even
22:17 < rxr> so - n8 all - ca
22:17 < mtr> the .30 release is really worth to try,
22:17 < rxr> because of ?
22:18 < mtr> lots of fixes, avr32 support, pthread
22:18 < rxr> aha, sounds good
22:18 < rxr> n8 all
22:18 < mtr> what I have checked so far looks good
22:19 < mtr> cu
22:20 < CIA-4> mtr * r31053 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/ (8 files): * updated uclibc (0.9.29 -> 0.9.30-rc2)
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