--- Log opened Sun Sep 21 00:00:56 2008 --- Day changed Sun Sep 21 2008 00:00 < Morglet> I'm against sacrifice, unless they're politicians or lawyers. 00:05 < mpp> shoot the lawyers first ( citate boston legal) 00:06 < Morglet> Yep. If you don't shoot the lawyers first, they'll just breed more politicians. 00:06 < mpp> LOLOLO !!!! 00:06 < mpp> this univers is a fun and refreshing place 00:07 < mpp> mpp likes it 00:07 < Morglet> We may deserve that asteroid that's coming our way in 2039 00:08 < mpp> just to be clear - timespace continuum has to be constant for that to happen 00:08 < mpp> which we all know - it's not 00:09 < mpp> so what the hack . 00:09 < Morglet> Oh don't worry, if there's a problem with the timespace continuum, the politicians will save us by passing an appropriate law. 00:09 < mpp> Morglet amuses mpp a lot LOL 00:09 < mpp> so there is something to british humor. 00:10 < mpp> i am amused - 00:10 < Morglet> I wouldn't know. I stopped watching the telly years ago, too much crap. 00:10 < mpp> who said anything about telle 00:10 < mpp> i was talking about the fridge mate ! 00:10 < mpp> LOL 00:10 < Morglet> Fair enough :-) 00:12 < mpp> are in office Morglet ? 00:13 < mpp> are you .... 00:13 < mpp> today my brain is really fucked . 00:13 < mpp> whatever 00:13 < Morglet> Home atm. Freelance anyway, so mostly home. 00:13 < mpp> right ... 00:13 < mpp> so you 've got the electronic pizza pox @ home ? 00:14 < Morglet> So what's your excuse for working on a Saturday? :P 00:14 < mpp> im mean the hp dl ... something 00:14 < mpp> actually im on holiday for several weeks 00:14 < Morglet> Yep, it's here. It'll go in a colo once it's set up. 00:14 < mpp> i see 00:15 < mpp> you could also mirror some of the t2 iso images 00:15 < mpp> i volunteered to help out . 00:15 < mpp> ? 00:15 < mpp> maybe 00:15 < mpp> i setup thttpd with bw limiting 00:15 < mpp> thttpd is really nice 00:16 < mpp> hold on a sec 00:16 < mpp> mpp has a fun video for Morglet - checking my bookmarks 00:17 < mpp> http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1sJqROHxjDA&ei=UXbVSM6HIaHCnAOdy-D8DQ&usg=AFQjCNGa6AWlNRp2MfnjYQVqaPg2opuIhQ&sig2=qCYC3SzkeFrON6vwef-i0Q 00:17 < mpp> crap 00:17 < Morglet> Yep, I could do that, although haven't picked a colo yet. I've noticed you guys need some help on downloads, you seem to be overloaded. 00:17 < mpp> www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJqROHxjDA 00:17 < Morglet> Looking 00:17 < mpp> yes i have 2 mirrors up know dl2 and dl3 00:17 < mpp> atm they are syncig with rxr 's machine 00:18 < mpp> hope the will be done sometime next week 00:18 < mpp> dl2.t2-project.org has allready some stuff available 00:18 < mpp> one can see that rsync is still in the loop 00:18 < mpp> this vide is awesome 00:19 < mpp> i found that one after watching "the magicians" 00:19 < Morglet> Erk, I didn't really need to see Bush and Blair 00:19 < mpp> it's a fun movie 00:19 < Morglet> I'm past the point of laughing at politicians. They're destroying what could be a great world. 00:20 < mpp> keep in mind 00:20 < mpp> we made / let them do what they are doing 00:21 < mpp> so it's always our decision - whatever that may be 00:21 < Morglet> It's not that simple. "We" don't actually vote them in ... they've put together a system where there is no option but for them to rotate in. 00:21 < mpp> ah - the victim theory 00:22 < Morglet> I know that in the States, they can vote "None of the above" ... well we can't in the UK 00:22 < mpp> right... 00:22 < Morglet> And unless you tick an approved politician, it's a "spoled vote" and isn't counted. 00:23 < Morglet> spoiled* 00:23 < mpp> like they are'nt already partying like hundreds of years back 00:23 < mpp> who cares 00:23 < mpp> okay ill cut the topic here 00:24 < mpp> whover is interested in whatever - his choice 00:24 < Morglet> Yeah, best. Politics is pointless to watch or discuss. 00:24 < mpp> last but no least a good advice from laotse 00:24 < mpp> he who speaks does not know - he who nows does not speak 00:24 < mpp> :-) 00:25 < mpp> so ... what are you hacking on t2 atm 00:25 < mpp> ? 00:25 < Morglet> Ah, but it's not a "his choice" issue, because that person's choice doesn't affect only him, it affects me as well. So, no. :-( 00:25 < mpp> yes thats a fine topic - personal and collectiv reallity 00:25 < mpp> the big meshed world 00:25 < Morglet> The only thing being hacked atm is what I started yesterday, the Download script. Might continue later tonight 00:26 < mpp> like what pipe is you internet on ? 00:26 < mpp> low bandwidth 00:26 < mpp> i heard the uk has good dsl 00:26 < Morglet> Cable is better here, if it passed in front of your house. 20M cable and 8M ADSL 00:27 < mpp> im x-compiling 32-64bit atm 00:27 < Morglet> The ADSL speed is a max though, depends on distance to exchange. I get only 5Mbps. 00:27 < mpp> i could use a 8-way xeon with loads of ram 00:28 < mpp> or 16-way or 64-way or the like 00:28 < Morglet> So could I. :-) Really should configure it. 00:28 < mpp> and likke 1tb memory 00:29 < mpp> or even bet 2^(2^256) Terrabyte RAM 00:29 < mpp> :-) 00:30 < Morglet> Well it's certainly nice to see 8 penguins in a row on boot. 00:31 < mpp> yea im getting in touch with some nifty hardware temporary 00:31 < mpp> next time i'll have a pxe installer for t2-build up and running to beat the shit out of the t2-build process 00:32 < Morglet> That's one of the reasons I want this T2 box set up, to serve boot files. 00:33 < mpp> k 00:33 < Morglet> In fact I could check I have LVM installed now 00:33 < mpp> the rescue target can be built as initramfs for pxe booting 00:33 < mpp> which mpp uses alot 00:36 < mpp> these x packets are a pain in the ***** 00:36 < mpp> all over borken deps or broken source code 00:36 < mpp> what is this stuff 00:37 < Morglet> What's giving you pain? 00:38 < mpp> the x packages are a real mess 00:38 < mpp> who wonders that gui apps crash ... 00:38 < mpp> it's more fun tha pain ... just words 00:40 < Morglet> There's a duff download file for binutils on the server, got a checksum error. I zapped the .chksum-err file and redownloaded, and same again 00:40 < mpp> what package ? 00:40 < Morglet> ERROR: Found download/mirror/b/binutils-2.17.50.0.12.tar.bz2.cksum-err. 00:40 < mpp> binutils ? 00:40 < mpp> hm... 00:41 < Morglet> Aye 00:41 < mpp> do you fetch packages over a http proxy ? 00:41 < Morglet> Not knowingly. The system is as it installed. 00:41 < Morglet> Where should I look? 00:42 < mpp> hold on a sec 00:42 < mpp> do you have a fresh svn checkout for building ? 00:42 < mpp> doesn't look like it 00:43 < Morglet> I grabbed t2-trunk by svn, if that's what you mean 00:43 < mpp> hm.... 00:43 < mpp> binutils are updated thats for sure 00:43 < Morglet> The current T2-distribution-target is: t2-trunk 00:43 < mpp> maybe you should svn up again 00:44 < mpp> maybe you have some garbeled other files 00:44 < Morglet> Wee script that switches between various 00:44 < mpp> which could explain some of your obscure problems 00:44 < Morglet> I'll grab a fresh one 00:44 < mpp> you should 00:45 < mpp> you svn is definetly behind like a month or even more 00:46 < Morglet> New one coming down. What was the magic incantation again after svn's finished? Something before Config I think. 00:46 < mpp> no more like a year 00:46 < mpp> i checked the svn log 00:46 < mpp> the binutils you have are from 28-sep-2007 00:47 < mpp> are you a timetraveler or even a time lord ? :-) LOL 00:47 < Morglet> Shhh, incognito 00:47 < mpp> could you barrow me sonic screwdriver perhaps 00:47 < mpp> im kinda stuck here ... 00:48 < mpp> what . what !!! it's just doctor 00:48 < mpp> oh. 00:48 < mpp> LOL :-) 00:48 < Morglet> Vogons are passing this way next week, try stick a thumb out 00:48 < mpp> we are darleks - we are supreme - exterminate exterminate !!! 00:48 < mpp> LOL 00:49 < Morglet> Hey Mr Dalek, I recommend you eat politicians first. Blood will rust your insides, but politicians are slimy bastards with nice oil in their veins. 00:50 < mpp> LOLOLOL 00:50 < Morglet> OK, got svn 00:50 < Morglet> Back to manual .... 00:50 < mpp> listen Morglet - i had good laugh here thanx man 00:50 < Morglet> Easy on the "man", we're all dogs on the Internet 00:51 < mpp> lol - ---- lol 00:51 < mpp> dog - reverse - god 00:51 < mpp> ill take that for granted 00:51 < Morglet> Hahaha --- nice :-) 00:51 < mpp> live is evil 00:51 < mpp> yadayadayada 00:52 < Morglet> Ah, so that's why Microsoft called their 360 service Live. 00:52 < mpp> well thats another fun topic 00:52 < mpp> conspiracy transpiracy --- whatever you like 00:52 < Morglet> OK, running Config on new svn 00:53 < mpp> yea like the smurfs with the chief redhat and the followers with white capes 00:53 < mpp> you catch my drift - ! 00:53 < Morglet> Ummm .... 00:54 < mpp> know the smurfs 00:54 < mpp> ? 00:54 < Morglet> Well it's certainly true that, for a community supposedly rejecting the Cathedral in favour of the Bazaar, there's a hell of a lot of high priests around. 00:57 < Morglet> OK, new trunk configured. What should I do first as a test? 00:58 < mpp> run a bootstrap target - minimal after and so forth 00:58 < mpp> download -required helps 00:58 < Morglet> Ummm 00:59 * Morglet checks manual for bootstrap targets 00:59 < mpp> its generic -> bootstrap 00:59 < Morglet> Tnx, found it 00:59 < Morglet> 01:02 < Morglet> I still don't know what I'm doing. I understand (in theory) that T2 is a system generator, rather than a distro per se, yet I'm installing packages into my running system, AFAICS, not into a separate target. 01:02 < Morglet> So I still have some big gaps to fill. 01:02 < mpp> nope 01:02 < mpp> there a 2 things to know 01:02 * Morglet listens 01:03 < mpp> 1. stuff that resides inside the chrooted build/mytarget/..... 01:03 < mpp> 2. Emerge-Pkg 01:03 < mpp> the later one install on the host 01:03 < mpp> the 1. builds inside chrooted environment 01:04 < mpp> so if do scripts/Build-Target -cfg myconfig 01:04 < mpp> youre building in a chrooted tree in the build dir 01:04 < mpp> thats basically all to disticnt in between 01:05 < mpp> are you with me on that ? 01:05 < Morglet> Aha! So all the scripts ending in -Pkg affect the host, and Build-Target (and presumably others) operate on target 01:06 < mpp> ahmm... 01:06 < mpp> i think so the handbook should be read by all of us 01:06 < mpp> it clearly points out the process. 01:07 < mpp> you should consider that you allready messed up your host system 01:07 < mpp> happened to me in the beginning 01:07 < mpp> well you know the word: 01:07 < mpp> rtfm 01:07 < mpp> :-) 01:07 < Morglet> No point restarting now, since I'd just mess it up again. I'll get a bit further first, then redo it. 01:08 < mpp> right ... 01:08 < mpp> enable ccache do save you some time on the build process 01:08 < Morglet> But when a person with my background messes this up, I think it's a sign of a problem, lol 01:08 < mpp> hale to the king ! 01:08 < Morglet> Hehe 01:09 < mpp> oh sorry - 01:09 < mpp> wrong place i gues it should be rather good bless the queen 01:09 < mpp> seriously 01:09 < mpp> where did i leave my manners today ... 01:09 < Morglet> It's OK, I know you meant Elvis, I'll pass your regards on to him when we next touch base. 01:10 < mpp> i guess there kinda brainfucked 01:10 < Morglet> (I actually hate Elvis, but it makes for easy jokes :P) 01:12 < mpp> ping 01:12 < Morglet> Your microwave finished. 01:13 < mpp> hmm... nice :-) 01:13 < mpp> reinstalling universe.....rebooting .... ping 01:13 < Morglet> I think I need to delete all those downloads the previous system made ... only got 1 gig left now. 01:14 < mpp> Morglet is probably right 01:14 < mpp> if it's obvious than it is 01:15 < Morglet> Eeeeek! The download and package directories are inside the svn trunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:15 < Morglet> LOL 01:16 < Morglet> OK, I *really* don't get the model you guy/gals are working to. 01:16 < mpp> of course they are 01:16 < mpp> you can symlink it if you want to 01:17 < mpp> well it's simple 01:17 < mpp> its all beneath one directory 01:17 < mpp> no big deal 01:17 < Morglet> Sure, I can get around it. But I need to know WHY you're doing it this way, since it implies total loss of downloads and packages each time the system scripts are reloaded. 01:18 < mpp> it doesn't 01:18 < mpp> the svn co only modifies certeain directorys 01:19 < mpp> so nothing gets deleted if it's not marked in the svn manifest 01:19 < Morglet> It does if you're redoing it from scratch to get a clean set. Of course if you just do it over the top of the old one then it doesn;t. 01:19 < mpp> thats why a symlink to theses dirs make sence 01:19 < mpp> config/ build/ download/ 01:20 < Morglet> Right, I'll do that immediately. Might be an idea to set it up that way by default :-) 01:20 < mpp> keep in mind that t2 is more targeted to skilled people who know what they are doing 01:20 < mpp> i had my lessons for beeing lazy with that stuff 01:21 < mpp> but it's always like that when you are in a hurry to get things done 01:21 < mpp> t2 is what it is 01:21 < mpp> it does a very good job - 01:21 < mpp> hase some caveats - but it's here for us to use it 01:22 < Morglet> Nah, T2 is what people will make of it, not what it was/is. You have to look to the future always :-) 01:22 < mpp> i do 01:22 < mpp> the future is inside 01:22 < mpp> ourselfs 01:22 < Morglet> Oooh, mystic ;-) 01:22 < mpp> so complaining on things means discarding the good parts 01:23 < mpp> t2 does work in many ways and it is very good at bootstrapping a tailor made system 01:23 < mpp> for the mystic part 01:23 < Morglet> Nope. Complaining about good parts means discarding good parts. But complaining about bad parts means discarding bad parts ;-) 01:24 < mpp> everything you need is already here 01:24 < Morglet> And nobody will ever need more than 640k 01:24 < mpp> right... 01:24 < mpp> thats bills opinion 01:24 < mpp> as people in asia say : opinions are temporary ... they change like the wind 01:24 < mpp> and the do ! 01:25 < Morglet> Everyone with that opinion is wrong, not just dead Bill. :-) You;re wrong too, when you say T2 is adequate. *Nothing* is ever adequate or satisfactory, except for those who look backwards :-) 01:25 < Morglet> s/dead/dear/ 01:25 < mpp> thats an opinion 01:26 < Morglet> Look forward and improve, it's the only way we come down from the trees. 01:26 < mpp> living in the present is the true art 01:27 < Morglet> Yeah, it's an art alright, the art of the Luddite :-) I prefer to look forward always, hehe 01:27 < mpp> i accept your way 01:27 < mpp> i am what i do and i do what i am. 01:27 < mpp> thats how things work for me 01:27 < Morglet> Well my way is the way of science and engineering. You'd better accept that way too, else chuck away you computer, cellphone, lightbulb etc :-) 01:28 < Morglet> Always look forward :-) 01:28 < mpp> always look inside 01:28 < Morglet> Always look inside to see what's wrong and can be improved, sure :-) 01:29 < mpp> when the key cannot be found on the brighter places than one should look at places left out 01:29 < mpp> thats mostly inside 01:29 < mpp> okay back to topic. 01:30 < Morglet> That's true enough, in the sense that most of our problems relate to people, not things. But don't want to talk about politicians again ^_^ 01:30 < mpp> looks like you already do 01:30 < mpp> :-)))) 01:30 < Morglet> Indeed. And on topic, I think I'll be fixing some of your scripts, hehe. 01:30 < mpp> they are rxr's scripts 01:31 < mpp> i use t2 - thats all 01:31 < Morglet> The plural "your", English ambiguity :-) 01:31 < mpp> sorry - 01:31 < Morglet> OK, trying first Download -required in this new setup 01:32 < mpp> however we do have an understanding 01:32 < mpp> despite the fact that english is not my native tounge 01:32 < Morglet> You speak fantastically if Eng is not your 1st 01:32 < mpp> my 1st is german 01:33 < Morglet> Well your Eng is perfect 01:33 < mpp> i do educate myself by consuming unsynced shows and movies 01:33 < mpp> thank you ! 01:33 < mpp> you should listen to german synced shows 01:33 < Morglet> What are "unsynced" shows? 01:33 < mpp> you would puke - i promise !!! 01:34 < mpp> well in germany everything is dubbed with german voices 01:34 < Morglet> Oh I'd puke at all shows, hate TV, hehe. Don't like being fed entertainment, except for occasional films. 01:34 < Morglet> Oh I see 01:35 < mpp> yes you are right . but look at the practical side of accepting this crap. 01:35 < Morglet> But there's loads of German media product, no? 01:35 < mpp> my english improved so we can have a good talk 01:35 < Morglet> Hehehe 01:35 < mpp> so thanx to the crap once again 01:35 < Morglet> Well you're certainly right there :-) 01:35 < Morglet> But the opposite would be true here. 01:35 < mpp> agreed on that one 01:36 < mpp> though the flicks are mostly trivial and camera driven 01:36 < Morglet> The English spoken on media here (especially American stuff) is much worse quality than mine. I was actually taught grammar and spelling --- a rarity nowadays! 01:36 < mpp> there is a spark deeper sense in every shit 01:36 < mpp> same in good old germany 01:36 < mpp> whats grammar grandma ... 01:36 < Morglet> Hehe 01:37 < Morglet> I think it's worldwide. 01:37 < mpp> yes the american stuff is what it is . entertainment industry at it's best 01:37 < mpp> fyi i have no tele 01:37 < Morglet> A result of global culture. Kids network well globally, and learning is not "cool". 01:38 < mpp> but i watch movies and tele shows occasionaly 01:38 < mpp> i do like some of the british shows . 01:39 < mpp> and there are some good movies with a deeper spiritualy / emotional backround 01:39 < mpp> so as it turns out: 01:39 < mpp> the world is what you make of it. 01:39 < mpp> im good with all this stuff 01:39 < mpp> think about it 01:39 < mpp> all this junk leads to this nice irc 01:39 < Morglet> I used to watch European media on a free satellite, including huge amounts of French and German stuff, but they moved it away to Scandinavia, so lost feed. Then lost interest in TV altogether. 01:39 < mpp> so we both have a nice chat 01:40 < mpp> never mind 01:40 < mpp> who needs entertainment 01:40 < Morglet> Hehe, mystic again, but true. 01:40 < mpp> it's just that what i say - i'm living up upon it 01:41 < mpp> do what you say and say what you do 01:41 < mpp> simple - and very effective 01:41 < mpp> up to it 01:41 < mpp> sorry 01:42 < Morglet> Well, that sort of works in people areas ... doesn't work in tech though. To say "this is good enough" is to say "this is now obsolete". 01:42 < mpp> well - people made that tec stuff . so whats the tec without people anyway 01:43 < Morglet> Borg++ 01:43 < Morglet> :-) 01:43 < mpp> locutus ? 01:43 < mpp> ahhh.... 01:43 < mpp> thank god it's 7 of 9 01:43 < mpp> hmmmm.... :-) 01:43 < Morglet> Hehe 01:44 < Morglet> The sooner we're not human the better. Will take a while, alas 01:44 < mpp> denying yourself denies you to the future 01:45 < mpp> because you form the future 01:45 < mpp> so whats the point of self denial 01:45 < mpp> none 01:45 < Morglet> We're already denied the future, since we're perishable protein. We need better engineering materials 01:46 < Morglet> And I'm en engineer anyway, so "Death is an engineering problem" is my mantra. 01:46 < mpp> some while ago i heard a young man say: 01:46 < mpp> " you want to control the world..." 01:47 < mpp> " but how can you - when you're not even capable of self control" 01:47 < mpp> true that is ! 01:47 < mpp> if death is your mantra - than that's it. 01:48 < Morglet> Yep, it's very true, and it's a very good reason for getting rid of the messy squishy protein that's at the root of the problem. :-) 01:48 < mpp> knwo yourself and you'll know the universe - old wisdom - how true it is 01:48 < mpp> :-) 01:49 < Morglet> We can't control ourselves because (i) we're a squishy illogical mess, and (ii) we can't create something better because our mental ability is extremely low. 01:49 < Morglet> So the only answer is replacement of the squishy illogical mess :-) 01:50 < Morglet> We will never know ourselves, btw. by Godel. 01:50 < mpp> speaking low of yourself takes away your power 01:50 < mpp> and saying that you are incapable in any ways - makes you incapabel 01:50 < mpp> that's how things work 01:51 < mpp> man creates man harvests 01:51 < Morglet> It goes with the territory as an engineer to say that bad machinery is bad, simply an objective statement. And that has to apply even to oneself, if the engineer is honest. :-) 01:51 < mpp> you are capable - 01:51 < Morglet> Saying we're great is willful delusion :-) 01:52 < Morglet> We're as good as we are. :-) 01:52 < mpp> i think you're worth more than that to yourself 01:52 < mpp> when mind and soul calms - you can see right through 01:53 < mpp> yourself 01:53 < Morglet> But our IQ in very low 3 figures (if that) will be ludicrous against IQs of millions and billions by machinery. So yeah, we have to accept ourselves as pretty lousy ... but the best we have currently. 01:53 < mpp> ... 01:53 < mpp> found a mistake in the universe ... 01:54 < mpp> get back to the owner and tell him 01:54 < mpp> :-) 01:54 < mpp> what he will tell you 01:54 < Morglet> I'm seeing the Flying Spaghetti Monster on Wednesday, I'll let him know. 01:54 < mpp> k 01:55 < mpp> compilin x stuff is messy 01:55 < mpp> i give up on gui stuff 01:55 < mpp> anyways i need t2 more for server's 01:55 < mpp> i'll leave the fancy graphics to the distro folks 01:56 < mpp> so Morglet - i've had enough of meaningfull chatting 01:57 < Morglet> Me too. :-) I think I need to kill a few mobs in some game. 01:57 < mpp> let's turn over to some more trivial stuff 01:57 < mpp> stick with nike: just do it ! 01:57 < Morglet> Righto. I know some minor gods that need killing, off to do it ;-) 01:58 < mpp> enjoy 01:58 < Morglet> Hehe, cya later 01:58 < mpp> i'll see you around 02:02 < mpp> good night - good fight ! 02:02 -!- mpp [n=user@i53876121.versanet.de] has quit ["good night - good fight"] 02:32 -!- mpp [n=user@i53876121.versanet.de] has joined #t2 02:32 < mpp> back again 02:46 < hikenboot> if a package isnt on your list of packages can it be included? 02:46 < hikenboot> if so how 03:04 < mpp> yes you can add cutom rules via stone or add manually to the pkgsel file 03:05 -!- mpp [n=user@i53876121.versanet.de] has quit ["good night - good fight"] 04:58 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@217.70.75.4] has joined #t2 06:22 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tfl0pz, LMJ, CIA-8, TobiX, felanha, dsoul 06:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-8, TobiX, dsoul 06:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: felanha, tfl0pz, LMJ 10:58 -!- hwinkel [n=hwinkel@p54B693D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:13 -!- hwinkel [n=hwinkel@p54B693D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:14 < CIA-8> rene * r30513 /trunk/package/gnome2/orbit2/orbit2.desc: * updated orbit2 (2.14.14 -> 2.14.16) 12:15 < rxr> hm - damn 12:15 < CIA-8> rene * r30514 /trunk/package/scientific/gmp/gmp.desc: * updated gmp (4.2.3 -> 4.2) 12:35 < CIA-8> rene * r30515 /trunk/package/scientific/gmp/gmp.desc: * updated gmp (4.2 -> 4.2.4), as it should have been in r30514 13:05 < CIA-8> rene * r30516 /trunk/package/textproc/msort/msort.desc: * updated msort (8.47 -> 8.48) 13:05 < CIA-8> rene * r30517 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.25 -> 4.26) 14:00 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@217.70.75.4] has quit [] 14:08 -!- hwinkel [n=hwinkel@p54B693D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 14:13 -!- bfg [n=bfg@ppp118-208-70-15.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #T2 14:20 -!- bfg [n=bfg@ppp118-208-70-15.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net] has left #T2 [] 14:51 -!- bfg [n=bfg@ppp118-208-70-15.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #T2 14:51 -!- bfg [n=bfg@ppp118-208-70-15.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net] has left #T2 [] 14:52 -!- bfg [n=bfg@ppp118-208-70-15.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #T2 15:19 -!- mpp [n=user@i53876121.versanet.de] has joined #t2 15:19 < mpp> what's up ? 15:24 < bfg> hi. nothing special... and over there? :) 15:26 < bfg> mpp: I have seen you had trouble building xorg-radeon (the /dev/null thing) .... have you solved it? 15:26 < bfg> I have tracked it down a week or two ago... 15:26 < mpp> nope 15:27 < bfg> it is the configure script which does some strange output redirection to /dev/null... and so the flwrapper believes that /dev/null is created during build 15:27 < bfg> that's all.... :) 15:27 < mpp> oh.... 15:27 < bfg> so fixing flwrapper or patching configure should solve it 15:27 < mpp> good idea. 15:27 < mpp> several drivers have these issues 15:28 < mpp> i'm just to lazy to have them patched 15:28 < bfg> seems to be an xorg configure creation issue :) 15:28 < bfg> maybe recreating configure script with the corrected macros will do it either 15:28 < mpp> besides i can live with a vesa driver since i build t2 for server purposes 15:28 < mpp> or none at all 15:29 < bfg> but yes.. flwrapper should not recognize this as file creation, just because the system call sys it so :) 15:29 < bfg> sys => says :) 15:29 < mpp> wth as a > /dev/null to do inside configure 15:30 < bfg> hiding output 15:30 < mpp> looks like crappy source code 15:30 < bfg> it is 15:30 < bfg> indeed 15:30 < mpp> so it deserves to stay righ there where it is 15:30 < mpp> :-) 15:30 < bfg> and it also does not remove all temporary files during testing (IIRC) 15:31 < mpp> puhh 15:31 < mpp> what a mess 15:31 < bfg> jep 15:31 < mpp> reminds one of other O.S.'es 15:31 < mpp> ;-) 15:32 < bfg> must have done someone who is not used to auto-tools and m4 scripting :) 15:32 < mpp> or more likely s/he does have no clue of *nx 15:32 < mpp> *n*x 15:32 < mpp> that is 15:33 < bfg> I would say auto-tools and m4 is quite cryptic... so... it's little excuse :) 15:33 < mpp> right - so why did the others get along with it ? 15:33 < mpp> hm.... let me seee 15:33 < mpp> no clue no build 15:33 < mpp> :-) 15:34 < bfg> the others have not written their m4 macros by themselves? :) 15:34 < mpp> ooohhhh 15:34 < mpp> like - take binaries or die ... 15:34 < bfg> jep 15:35 < mpp> so what is bfg using t2 for ? 15:35 < bfg> mmm... I had just troubles with prebuilt distributions :) 15:35 < mpp> welcome to the club ! 15:35 < bfg> started out with rock-linux 15:36 < bfg> and followed the fork of T2 :) 15:36 < mpp> yeah in a similar way i had a switch to slackware many years ago 15:36 < bfg> slackware was one of the first ditributions I abandoned 15:36 < mpp> mpp remembers exactly doing ./configure make make install on suse 15:36 < mpp> so did I 15:36 < bfg> and after that reinstall? 15:36 < bfg> :) 15:37 < mpp> but i learned some stuff about linux source code 15:37 < mpp> to be precise of oss packages 15:37 < mpp> so id did an educational job on me 15:37 < mpp> nowadays i stick with a popular debian fork on my productive machines 15:37 < bfg> suse made always big troubles if you did something by hand and not with their provided tools (but I have to say since 9.0 oder 10.0 it is much better in theses use cases) 15:38 < mpp> testing all updates etc. is time consuming 15:38 < mpp> suse is out 15:38 < bfg> sure it is 15:38 < mpp> so is fedora and the rest 15:38 < mpp> they patch to death 15:38 < mpp> which they obviously deserve in some fashion 15:38 < bfg> I just wanted to say it is not that crappy as it was (but still is) 15:38 < mpp> agreed upon that 15:39 < mpp> one of my colo servers runs lts 8.0.4 15:39 < mpp> the others t2 15:40 < bfg> fedora / centos.... ok I can live with that.... but only if I don't care about the machines and some customers think, they must have a big company name behind their system software :) 15:41 < bfg> debian woudl be ok too but makes often troubles with modern hardware 15:43 < mpp> i use ubuntu lts 8.0.4 becaus of support reasons 15:44 < mpp> i'm okay with that 15:44 < bfg> :).... I don't like it, but it's true... it is really easy to use :) 15:44 < mpp> besides reinstallin upgrading servers after 18months max is boring and troulbesome 15:44 < bfg> and quite modern 15:44 < mpp> yea but as i use these servers my self alone 15:45 < mpp> i can have it that way 15:45 < bfg> I would say one of the best desktop distributions currently available (I have no experience with ubuntu server) 15:45 < mpp> i got other things to do besides patching my servers by hand . 15:45 < bfg> for servers I go normally with centos if support is requied 15:46 < mpp> yea centos is okay so are some other fellas 15:47 < mpp> where is Morglet ? 15:47 < bfg> xen works quite well with centos :) 15:47 < bfg> no idea 15:47 < mpp> yes the thing about xen is .... it's fading already 15:48 < mpp> speaking of which 15:48 < mpp> i had trouble getting kvm built on t2 15:50 < bfg> never tried... 15:50 < bfg> it is by default deactivated... so it is very likely that it is broken 15:50 < mpp> well since it works with kqemu it's worth a look 15:50 < mpp> so it is 15:50 < mpp> i figured allready 15:50 < mpp> maybe rxr can provide a fix 15:51 < bfg> I am pretty sure he deactivated it :) 15:51 < mpp> mpp could have looked closer at the svn log 15:52 < bfg> mmm.. the last log says... builds fine, but has shared file problems.... 15:52 -!- mpp_ [n=user@i5387601A.versanet.de] has joined #t2 15:52 < bfg> so only build qemu or kvm but not both :) 15:52 < bfg> should work then 15:52 < mpp_> right 15:53 < mpp_> but that is kinda sloooooow 15:53 < mpp_> you know i'm sayin' 15:53 < mpp_> sloooooooooow 15:53 < mpp_> :-) 15:53 < bfg> it is 15:54 < mpp_> does xen build on t2 ? 15:55 < mpp_> gotta give it a try 15:55 < bfg> i have no idea... I think you will have to tweak a couple of things to make it work (or maybe a couple of things more :) ) 15:56 < mpp_> hm... 15:56 < mpp_> the vmware-server also has build issues - like we all know - anyanyanyany -patch 15:56 < mpp_> puhhhh 15:57 -!- mpp_ is now known as mpp_afk 16:01 < bfg> I tried XEN quite a while ago with T2 (before Xen 3)... the hardest thing was to get the kernel right (patching, configuring, compiling aso...)... but then it was quite ok.. 16:01 < bfg> vmware-server ... yeah .. builds mostly fine, but now I have a libxcb issue with the vmware-konsole 16:09 -!- mpp [n=user@i53876121.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:11 < mpp_afk> . 16:11 -!- mpp_afk is now known as mpp 16:19 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@217.70.75.4] has joined #t2 17:01 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@217.70.75.4] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09 -!- bfg [n=bfg@ppp118-208-70-15.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:39 < mpp> . 19:40 -!- mpp is now known as mpp_dining 20:41 -!- mpp_dining is now known as mpp 20:41 < mpp> re 21:18 -!- koan [n=koan@unaffiliated/koan] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:52 -!- claudio_ch [n=claudio@217-162-161-17.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #t2 22:00 -!- koan [n=koan@unaffiliated/koan] has joined #t2 22:04 < mpp> hey koan 22:05 < koan> hi mpp 22:05 < mpp> how are you doing man. 22:06 < koan> good, although somewhat busy times 22:06 < mpp> k 23:05 -!- hwinkel [n=hwinkel@p54B693D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:52 -!- claudio_ch [n=claudio@217-162-161-17.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Client exiting"] 23:57 * mpp installs kde via scripts/Emerge -deps=indirect kdebase 23:58 * mpp is suprised despite the bloat only a few broken deps --- Log closed Mon Sep 22 00:00:05 2008