T2 IRC Log: 2008-09-09

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--- Log opened Tue Sep 09 00:00:50 2008
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08:31 < mtr> moin
09:24 < rxr> moin mtr
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09:54 < mtr> hi rxr
09:54 < CIA-8> rene * r30391 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.26.3 -> 2.6.26.5)
09:55 < CIA-8> rene * r30392 /trunk/package/security/libgcrypt/libgcrypt.desc: * updated libgcrypt (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
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10:54 < mpp> moinsen
11:47 < koan> how long is a stage 2 build of gcc supposed to take?
11:49 < mpp> ahm half an hour i guess
11:53 < koan> ok then ther's something wrong
11:54 < koan> after "Corrected ./libtool.m4" I don't see any output, but it's still building
11:55 < koan> for hours...
11:56 < rxr> on a single core G5 hours might be correct
11:56 < rxr> have you ever build a source distribution ?
11:56 < koan> gentoo, a long time ago :-)
11:56 < rxr> yeah, ...
11:57 < koan> on a iMac G3, that needed a whole weekend
11:57 < rxr> well - bootstrapping compiler and c library takes a little ...
11:57 < rxr> that is also why we provide pre-built stuff, including full desktop isos ...
11:57 < rxr> oh - and on 64 bit systems gcc builds most stuff twice ... once for 64 bit and then the 32bit compatibility fallback ...
11:57 < rxr> so you can double the build
11:58 < rxr> time on sparc64, powerpc64, x86-64, ... of gcc :-)
11:58 < koan> I'm not in a hurry, I was just worrying that something was wrong
11:58 < rxr> on my aging sparc64 at just 360MHz gcc needs more than 24h ...
11:58 < koan> :-)
11:59 < rxr> actually a whole desktop with kde needs approx. 2 weeks on that box ...
11:59 < rxr> or more than 2 weeks ...
11:59 < koan> heh I'm not planning to use KDE :-)
11:59 < koan> I'm using the awesome window manager
11:59 < rxr> ruby alone tried to bytecompile it's libraries for over 2 days on the box and some final thing got out-of-memory killed by the kernel after 2 days :-(((
11:59 < rxr> need to find more ECC RAM for this old box - or a new sparc machine ...
12:00 < koan> and can I disable the 32 bit versions of gcc, glibc etc? or do I really need them?
12:04 < rxr> maybe you need them for yaboot to build
12:04 < rxr> same on x86-64, where in a default t2 build only grub and lilo require them to work at all
12:11 < koan> ok
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12:16 < mpp> hey rxr
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12:17 < mpp> have built a new package for t2
12:17 < mpp> im testing if build process is okay
12:17 < mpp> the would commit it via ml
12:22 < rxr> nice
12:22 < rxr> btw. did I already say moin? moin mpp :-)
12:23 < koan> what's moin btw? :-)
12:23 < mpp> moin rxr ! :-)
12:23 < mpp> gooooood mornin'
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12:23 < koan> :-)
12:24 -!- mpp_zen is now known as mpp
12:24 < mpp> ;-)
12:40 < mpp> hey rxr
12:40 < mpp> the build priorities have a gap below 800
12:40 < mpp> for testing purpose i could place my packet at 700 - right ?
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13:22 < mpp> hey rxr are you in cologne ?
13:23 < rxr> yes
13:23 < rxr> the next two days
13:24 < rxr> on the DMS show ...
13:24 < rxr> got some meetings
13:25 < rxr> you're in cologne ?
13:33 < mpp> close - could have been there this morning
13:33 < mpp> schade
13:33 < mpp> allright good luck there ! :-)
13:34 < rxr> we'll arrive tomorrow around lunchtime and leave the day after in the night
13:34 < rxr> I'm not sure if there is a free time-slot ... .-(
13:35 < mpp> thats okay - you ve got work to do man !
13:35 < mpp> see you around
13:35 < mpp> greetings to the other exactcode / t2 people
13:36 < mpp> :-)
13:36 < rxr> :-)
13:38 < CIA-8> rene * r30393 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.desc: * updated linux24 (2.4.36.6 -> 2.4.36.7)
13:45 < CIA-8> rene * r30394 /trunk/package/network/cobbler/cobbler.desc: * updated cobbler (1.2.2 -> 1.2.4)
13:45 < CIA-8> rene * r30396 /trunk/package/develop/ctalk/ctalk.desc: * updated ctalk (0.0.69a -> 0.0.71a)
13:45 < CIA-8> rene * r30395 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit-plugins/gedit-plugins.desc: * updated gedit-plugins (2.22.2 -> 2.22.3)
13:46 < CIA-8> rene * r30397 /trunk/package/network/collectd/collectd.desc: * updated collectd (4.4.2 -> 4.5.0)
13:55 < mpp> im currently messing arround with my svn syncing ... works good so far
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14:40 < CIA-8> rene * r30398 /trunk/package/graphic/enblend/ (enblend.desc max.patch): * updated enblend (3.0 -> 3.2)
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15:47 < rxr> mpp: the "without go-" openoffice-org package of your's works good?
15:47 < rxr> need something to update my parents box next weekend :-)
15:49 < mpp> ah...what do you mean exactly ?
15:50 < rxr> err
15:50 < rxr> mtr: ...
15:50 < rxr> mtr: the "without go-" openoffice-org package of your's works good?
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15:50 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur ] [ felanha] [ koan] [ mtr ] [ TobiX]
15:50 [ axionix ] [ dsoul ] [ hwinkel] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin]
15:50 [ CIA-8 ] [ Enqlave] [ jay2 ] [ mpp ] [ rxr ]
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15:50 < mpp> i think i missed something
15:51 < rxr> yeah - wanted to ask mtr .-)
15:51 < rxr> sorry
15:51 < mpp> ah mtr
15:51 < mpp> :-)
15:51 < rxr> tab completion hit me ...
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16:21 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/console/Nintendo/Wii/
16:21 < rxr> ^- got the cpuinfo from the hacker who runs T2 on his Wii :-)
16:25 < koan> nice
16:25 < koan> btw, is T2 also runnnig on routers?
16:26 < rxr> sure
16:26 < koan> I saw a wrt target, but it was 'experimental', I think
16:28 < koan> does it use openwrt code or is it completely independent?
16:28 < rxr> the wrt2 target for linksys alike routers is still incomplete
16:28 < rxr> patches welcome
16:28 < rxr> it reuses kernel patch from the open/free wrt
16:29 < rxr> those projects mostly just patch collectors anyway, using the same uclibc, busybox et. al. T2 provides for ages anyway
16:29 < rxr> but there are increasing amounts of companies using t2 for all sorts of embedded devices
16:29 < rxr> from routers to settop boxes ..
16:29 < koan> well, I have a Asus wireless router I would like to experiment with
16:30 < rxr> getting t2 to run on it is motly a matter of collecting the kernel patches for the specific chipset
16:32 < koan> ok I'll place it on my long TODO list :-)
16:32 < mtr> rxr: OOo-without-go works fine and runs stable
16:34 < mtr> I had one issue with files on NFS
16:34 < mtr> soffice exports SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1 by default
16:35 < mtr> I had to disable the locking for nfs volumes
16:37 < rxr> mtr: I get an build error
16:37 < rxr> checking for MOZ_NSS... configure: error: Package requirements (libxul-nss ) were not met:
16:37 < rxr> No package 'libxul-nss' found
16:37 < rxr> which package does provide that?
16:37 < rxr> apparently not xulrunner :-(
16:38 < rxr> do you have a recent .cache file for openoffice-org (without -go)? if so just commit it for my Emerge as inspiration .-)
16:42 < mpp> rxr: how do you generate .cache files for new packages ?
16:45 < rxr> any package build produces on in var/adm/cache/
16:45 < rxr> Emerge in your rootfs, Build-Target in the build sandbox build/.../
16:47 < mpp> ah cool
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17:35 < mtr> rxr: xulrunner provides libxul-nss.pc, and thats what OOo preferres
17:35 < CIA-8> mtr * r30399 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.cache: * updated openoffice-org cache file
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18:05 < mpp> anyone being dealing with those nifty udev message on t2-trunk ?
18:33 < rxr> nope I just ignore them *duck*
18:33 < rxr> mtr: strange I have xulrunner built here ...
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18:34 < Baldzius> moin
18:34 < rxr> hi Baldzius
18:34 < Baldzius> hey rxr
18:37 < rxr> mtr: that was on a t2/trunk:HEAD reference build ...
18:37 < rxr> mtr: I'll double check on my notebook
18:37 < rxr> btw. I'll not be much around till next monday. ...
18:47 < mpp> moin baldzius
18:55 < CIA-8> rene * r30400 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/exact-image.desc: * updated exact-image (0.5.3 -> 0.6.0)
18:56 < rxr> ^- this release features (among improvements here and there) a completely rewritten PDF writer, that now can write any text and vector stuff (opposed to formerly just dumping an image into a PDF container), and features a new program named hocr2pdf which is as far as I know the first open source thing to create searchable PDF unter linux, using annotated HTML output from cuneiform
18:56 < rxr> have fun
18:57 < rxr> official announcement to the outside world later
18:58 < rxr> ^- searchable pdf from scanned images
19:00 < Baldzius> hi mpp
19:02 < mpp> whatz up :-) ?
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19:34 < CIA-8> rene * r30401 /trunk/package/graphic/cuneiform/html-hocr.patch:
19:34 < CIA-8> * patched cuneiform to generate bbox annotated "hOCR" "HTML"
19:34 < CIA-8> (this will probably be conditionally, later)
19:40 < koan> I have this error in stage 3 building of gettext: http://pastebin.com/m21230b9c
19:42 < rxr> oh - damn, yes I know that
19:42 < rxr> spent 1 hour tracking it alread
19:42 < rxr> y
19:42 < rxr> maybe just touch the log file
19:43 < rxr> or simpler rename the file from .err to .log and continue the build
19:43 < rxr> this error is big-endian specific and actually quite a stupid one just in autoconf/automake - but I still have not found a nice way to fix it .-(((
19:43 < koan> ok
19:44 < koan> where is $root?
19:44 < rxr> build/...
19:44 < koan> ok
19:44 < rxr> ... == whatever you named your config etc. + UUID
19:46 < koan> ok building continues with another package
19:46 < CIA-8> rene * r30402 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/0.6.0-txt-typos.patch:
19:46 < CIA-8> * fixed 2 trivial text typo in the last exact-image release, just
19:46 < CIA-8> for the cosmetic of it
19:46 < rxr> yes, the next
19:46 < rxr> T2 uses the .log and .err log files to keep track of what to build
19:46 < koan> and this error is safe to skip?
19:46 < rxr> well - gettext was cross build, so it works already
19:47 < rxr> some language bindings you probably do not need will be missing
19:47 < rxr> java, c#
19:47 < rxr> you probably do not build in your minimal anyway :-)
19:47 < koan> :-)
19:48 < rxr> so - gotta go
19:48 < koan> btw, gcc needed 9 hours
19:48 < rxr> autsch
19:48 < koan> but I'm using this machine for other things like surfing and work stuff
19:48 < koan> so probably too much I/O stuff going on
19:49 < koan> I don't have a dedicated build machine
19:49 < rxr> I think your work stuff should now slow the build down much
19:49 < rxr> unless you run it "niced()'ed)
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21:32 < CIA-8> mtr * r30403 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/ (l7-filter.desc patch_o_matic.in): * updated l7-filter (2.19 -> 2.20)
21:37 < CIA-8> mtr * r30404 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-160/sun-jre-160.desc: * updated sun-jre-160 (6u5 -> 6u7)
21:37 < CIA-8> mtr * r30405 /trunk/package/java/apache-ant/ (apache-ant.conf apache-ant.desc): * updated apache-ant (1.7.0 -> 1.7.1)
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