T2 IRC Log: 2008-05-03

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--- Log opened Sat May 03 00:00:34 2008
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10:05 < rxr> moin
10:05 [Users #t2]
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10:05 [ axionix_] [ dsoul ] [ Enqlave] [ mtr ] [ tfl0pz] [ |beowulf|]
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10:05 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
12:27 < CIA-7> rene * r28923 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/ (exact-image.cache exact-image.desc hotfix.patch): * updated exact-image (0.4.2 -> 0.5.0)
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13:28 < CIA-7> rene * r28924 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/exact-image.desc: * updated exact-image checksum, as I had to bump the version in the tarball
13:49 < CIA-7> rene * r28925 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/exact-image.desc: * rewrote and extended exact-image Text tags
16:05 < rxr> re
16:29 < CIA-7> rene * r28926 /branches/7.0/package/lua/ (lpeg/lpeg.conf lua/libdir.patch lua/lua.conf):
16:29 < CIA-7> * merged r27906 and r27907 from trunk:
16:29 < CIA-7> * fixed lua to not install the static library lua.a into lib/lua.a
16:29 < CIA-7> instead of the specified directory (like lib64) and made sure
16:29 < CIA-7> the makefile leaks no other empty directories in lib/
16:29 < CIA-7> * fixed lpeg to install into $pkglibdir, not $pkgdatadir
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19:15 < its1> good evening :-)
19:59 < rxr> hi its1
20:19 < CIA-7> rene * r28927 /branches/7.0/package/base/gettext/gettext.conf:
20:19 < CIA-7> * merged r25610 and r25829 from trunk:
20:19 < CIA-7> * fixed gettext for gcc-4.2 based embeded builds by disabling
20:19 < CIA-7> OpenMP (???) support
20:19 < CIA-7> * fixed gettext to not use any system *emacs and thus not potentially
20:19 < CIA-7> pollute the flist with regenerated font-config cache files, ...
20:33 < its1> hey rxr how are you doin' ? :-)
20:33 < its1> i went into some trouble recently installing vmware-tools inside a t2
20:34 < rxr> fine thanks, and self?
20:34 < its1> bottom line is the header version is different then the kernel tree
20:34 < its1> and so vmware-config refuses to build the modules neede
20:34 < rxr> that is not a problem
20:34 < rxr> /usr/include/linux defines the ABI for system calls etc
20:34 < its1> so..
20:35 < rxr> the vmware tools should be build along the kernel build
20:35 < its1> ahhm...
20:35 < rxr> like the other third party kernel modules, qemu, madwifi, nvidia, ...
20:35 < its1> i was trying to install the vmware-tools inside a running t2
20:35 < its1> not in the build-process itself
20:35 < rxr> so they are a) build exactly for the kernel in questions and b) you get matching one at all with Emerge-Pkg linux26 ...
20:36 < rxr> but I'm not (yet) an vmware user, so I never touched that thing ...
20:36 < rxr> (I use qemu etc. for low level drafting / testing for "hack the source as needed" reasons ...)
20:36 < its1> okay . i did that Emerge-Pkg linux26 but still there are issues
20:36 < its1> eg the version is 2.6.21.7-dist
20:36 < rxr> I do not know if the vmware package / vmware-tools is setup correctly within t2
20:37 < its1> the -dist is confusing the vmware-config scripts
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20:37 < its1> thats the only problem
20:37 < rxr> oehm, aha?
20:37 < rxr> how is it confusing the scripts?
20:37 < its1> i changed them manually in 2-3 places inside the source tree of the kernel
20:37 < its1> the uname -a gives 2.6.21.7-dist
20:38 < rxr> it's confusing the vmware package ?
20:38 < its1> the vanilla / patched kernel tree contains 2.6.21.7
20:38 < rxr> maybe some manual help like passing KVER=...-dist helps ?
20:38 < its1> KVER ?
20:38 < its1> hm....
20:38 < rxr> argument to the Makefile
20:38 < its1> ill check on that.
20:38 < rxr> how can I (as non vmware user) reproduce?
20:38 < rxr> does the t2 vmware package try to build those and selecting and Emerge-Pkg linxu26 is enough ?
20:38 < its1> simply install t2 under a vmware server
20:39 < its1> t2 has a vmware package ? ..
20:39 < rxr> yes
20:39 < its1> mom
20:39 < rxr> package/emulators/vmware
20:39 < rxr> but I never really touched it yet
20:39 < its1> oh..
20:40 < rxr> its1: what's your real name ?
20:40 < its1> thats the vmware workstation package
20:40 < its1> martin papadopoulos
20:40 < rxr> ah
20:40 < its1> we have met sometimes on the cebit 2007 / 2008
20:40 < its1> anyways .
20:40 < rxr> just wondered if you are from a company we might have to do work for in a esx environment soon ...
20:41 < rxr> anyway, ...
20:41 < its1> donno
20:41 < its1> the thing is you have a vmware-server with virtual machines
20:41 < its1> one of these vm's is a t2
20:41 < rxr> are those vmware-tools (I guess the hypervised storage and net drivers?) compatible within the vmware family and available serperately ?
20:41 < its1> inside this t2 you need to build vmware-tools for
20:41 < its1> they are part of the free vmware-server
20:42 < its1> they are guest-os tools for e.g clock syncing
20:42 < its1> thats what i need them for mainly
20:42 < rxr> I guess also optimized block and network i/o ?
20:42 < its1> but as i said they have trouble building inside the vm
20:42 < its1> yes
20:42 < rxr> well - you can do two things
20:42 < rxr> the easier, more manual thing:
20:42 < its1> they offer vga-driver mouse driver network drriver and time syncing the host
20:42 < rxr> enable the "keep kernel source option" in the T2 config
20:43 < rxr> that will leave the fully patched (and I think configured) kernel tree in /usr/src/linux-...
20:43 < its1> so the uname -a remains vanilla ?
20:43 < rxr> so that manual building any kernel module should work
20:43 < its1> okay.
20:43 < its1> that should suffice for digging the problem
20:44 < rxr> e.g. the /lib/module/.../{build,source} symlinks point to the existing /usr/src/linux-* sources
20:44 < its1> i'll write a short note on my blog when i am ready
20:44 < rxr> the second, more automated setup for the future would be:
20:44 < its1> i have another 2 questions i'll be brief if you will
20:44 < its1> im listening
20:44 < rxr> to make a real package, maybe just vmware-tools, and set that t2 package up to build within a kernel build, like nvidia, qemu/kemu, etc. pp
20:45 < rxr> so you get the tools automatically build by t2 with any kernel build
20:45 < rxr> (and also help others building it)
20:45 < its1> cool
20:45 < rxr> sure, just ask your other questions
20:45 < its1> i saw you have new targets on 8.0
20:45 < its1> especially the ones for pxe booting i guess
20:46 < rxr> no, a special pxe target is not yet there
20:46 < its1> i have no 8.0 atm here
20:46 < its1> i recall you have 2 new targets in the trunk right ?
20:46 < rxr> 8.0 is not yet released anyway, that's just the trunk's working title, e.g. we need the major gcc-4.3 update sometime soon for that ...
20:46 < its1> ah. initramfs or something like that ?
20:46 < its1> okay .
20:46 < rxr> a new target is the work-in-progress tlx
20:47 < its1> tlx ?
20:47 < rxr> but that is just a clean Tiny LinuX demo
20:48 < its1> the reason i am asking for the vmware-tools is i would like to build a virtual appliance for others to have ready t2 build environment
20:48 < its1> so they can compile on esx-servers or similar stuff
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21:15 < rxr> re
21:15 < rxr> sorry - was at home
21:15 < rxr> on phone ..
21:15 < rxr> not at home ...
21:15 < rxr> anyway
21:16 < rxr> its1: yeah - that would definetly be great
21:16 < rxr> its1: let me know how my ideas work out for your compilation
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21:16 [ CIA-7 ] [ elias` ] [ its1 ] [ mtr ] [ tfl0pz ] [ |beowulf|]
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21:47 < CIA-7> rene * r28928 /branches/7.0/package/base/gettext/gettext.conf:
21:47 < CIA-7> * further tweaked gettext to make sure no emacs is run in configure
21:47 < CIA-7> (and could polute flist with fontcache outside basedir)
21:47 < CIA-7> rene * r28929 /branches/7.0/package/shells/bash/bash.conf: * added gettext's emacs configure polution tweak to bash, likewise
21:50 < CIA-7> rene * r28930 /trunk/package/ (base/gettext/gettext.conf shells/bash/bash.conf):
21:50 < CIA-7> * merged r28928 and r28929 from branches/7.0:
21:50 < CIA-7> * further tweaked gettext to make sure no emacs is run in configure
21:50 < CIA-7> * added gettext's emacs configure polution tweak to bash, likewise
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22:28 < tri> moin
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23:28 < its1> gotta go folks cyal8er
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--- Log closed Sun May 04 00:00:34 2008