--- Log opened Mon Mar 24 00:00:13 2008 00:15 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@sourcemage/guru/stealth] has joined #t2 07:28 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jeffdameth 07:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jeffdameth 08:52 < CIA-15> rene * r28491 /trunk/package/gnome2/hotwire/hotwire.desc: * updated hotwire (0.599 -> 0.721) 08:55 < CIA-15> rene * r28492 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.6.4 -> 0.7.3) 08:55 < CIA-15> rene * r28493 /trunk/package/base/busybox/busybox.desc: * updated busybox (1.9.2 -> 1.10.0) 08:55 < CIA-15> rene * r28494 /trunk/package/security/pcsc-tools/pcsc-tools.desc: * updated pcsc-tools (1.4.12 -> 1.4.13) 08:58 < CIA-15> rene * r28495 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.3.9-8 -> 6.3.9-10) 08:59 < CIA-15> rene * r28496 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (3.28 -> 3.29) 09:03 < CIA-15> rene * r28497 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.desc: * updated bluez-utils (3.28 -> 3.29) 09:41 < CIA-15> rene * r28498 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.57 -> 0.9.58) 09:41 < CIA-15> rene * r28499 /trunk/package/gnome2/beagle/beagle.desc: * updated beagle (0.3.3 -> 0.3.4) 09:42 < CIA-15> rene * r28500 /trunk/package/network/bitlbee/bitlbee.desc: * updated bitlbee (1.0.4 -> 1.2) 10:22 < rxr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0bMjk-Qh0o 10:36 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADAF87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:08 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #t2 11:08 < DeeKey> Moin ALL ! 11:12 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADAF87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 11:21 -!- jeffdamet1 [n=jeff@host-091-096-148-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #t2 11:33 < rxr> moin DeeKey 11:33 [Users #t2] 11:33 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-15 ] [ elias` ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 11:33 [ __init__] [ DeeKey ] [ Enqlave ] [ mtr ] [ shevy ] 11:33 [ aloof ] [ dogmeat] [ jeffdamet1] [ osn ] [ sparc-kly] 11:33 [ axionix ] [ dsoul ] [ jeffdameth] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 11:33 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 11:36 < DeeKey> Had a busy time... But finally returned back to the project. Good news for me. I have achieved goals which I planed for the RTAI target. Well, almost all of them. There will always be things to improve... 11:36 < DeeKey> rxr: I have updated some base packages Busybox, udev 11:36 < DeeKey> Hope that there will be no problems. 11:37 < rxr> yeah noticed 11:37 < rxr> adapted the udev dietlibc patch last night accordingly, likewise 11:37 < DeeKey> One problem is that I dont know how to make a check size. So I put X for now... 11:37 < rxr> and updated busbox to 1.10 or so this morning 11:38 < rxr> for the checksum, put a 0 11:38 < rxr> scripts/Commit will inject it then 11:38 < DeeKey> I see.. 11:38 < rxr> or scripts/Create-CkSumPatch if you want to do it in a single step 11:38 < DeeKey> 1.10 is unstable for busybox 11:38 < rxr> wasn't 1.9 unstable and 1.10 the release ? 11:39 < DeeKey> BusyBox 1.9.1 (stable) 11:39 < DeeKey> BusyBox 1.10.0 (unstable) 11:39 < rxr> oh 11:39 -!- jeffdameth [n=jeff@dyndsl-091-096-034-061.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:39 < rxr> what the heck, did'nt they had this even / odd stable / unstable versioning 11:39 < rxr> oh my 11:39 < rxr> BusyBox 1.9.0 (unstable) 11:39 < rxr> funny thoses .. 11:42 < DeeKey> Yeh... I had a problem with compiling RTAI. It can patch linux 2.6.23. But you have switched to 2.6.24. The tree (issue with x86 x64folders) of the 2.6.24 have changed. Had to revert headers and linux26 packages to the state before the changes. Dont be afraid it is local update for my target... :) 11:43 < rxr> you can "overload" the linux-header and linux26 package in your rtai target 11:43 < rxr> if you need fixed, garuanteed compatible versions 11:44 < DeeKey> Yeh... That what i will do next... 11:45 < DeeKey> is it ok if I compile linux 2.6.23 with 2.6.24 headers? Actually it was ok for me... 11:45 < rxr> yes 11:45 < rxr> the headers only define the ABI 11:45 < rxr> it should not change much and the resulting binaries work on older kernels as well 11:46 < rxr> the headers are only for the prototypes and flags and masks, such as for open, close, and all the other syscalls 11:47 < DeeKey> The only problem remain is the problem with initial console: "sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" 11:47 < DeeKey> I was able to solve it in the past, but now i forget how to do it... 11:49 < DeeKey> The problem is that i am not able t run any virtual consoles -- TTY. I dont know how to initialise them. Inittab does not help. 11:50 < DeeKey> The other problem-- I dont know how to populate /dev after the compilation is over. For now just copy them form my working system.. 11:57 < rxr> you do not want to use udev ? 11:57 < DeeKey> I use udev! 11:58 < rxr> udevtrigger or so invoces the events for devices initialized during boot 11:58 < rxr> look at the sysvinit or initrd of T2 for stuff that is usually done on system startup 11:58 < DeeKey> Do I need to put udevtrigger to mu RcS script? 11:58 < rxr> if you do not use the T2 default initrd then yes 11:59 < DeeKey> i see... 11:59 < rxr> or just sue the t2 default initrd to get sane defaults 11:59 < rxr> but then you probably have to add some more packages to your target, like dietlibc, pdksh, and mkinitrd 12:00 < rxr> if you want something more kB saving then you probably want to leave it your way and invoce udevd -d ; udevtrigger or so 12:00 < rxr> you probably can copy the section from the default T2 sysvinit / system.init 12:00 < DeeKey> I want to leave busybox as init... Will try you proposal today... 12:01 < DeeKey> Read you article about OpenMoko. Are the things still bad? Have you been able to create some working OSfor the NEO ? 12:01 < rxr> yes, we shoed some embedded UI on it 12:02 < rxr> but we do not work on it full time we have way too many contract to work on than to maintain an just alternative OS for this quite broken hardware 12:02 < DeeKey> That is for sure! 12:02 < rxr> the Neo hardware really is not that great, from GSM SIM card bugs (see OpenMoko bug #666) to nearly no power management 12:03 < rxr> and closed binary GPS 12:03 < rxr> and personally I do not even like the case 12:03 < DeeKey> Yeh... Looks like a big PR company... 12:03 < rxr> actually I'm quite happy with my iPhone for the time beeing :-) 12:03 < rxr> (until we do some work for Sony, Motorola or have enough money for our own hardware :_) 12:04 < DeeKey> I will by myself a PDA with GSM,GPS, 3G, camera, WIFI... Looks even better then Iphone. ASUS has some great devices.. 12:05 < rxr> you can see a little of our own UI with T2 on this tradeshow poster: 12:05 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/IFA/2007/IMG_4212.JPG 12:05 < rxr> btw. this is the official Ms. IFA model on our booth there holding our AVR32 board with video demo (running T2 as usual) 12:06 < DeeKey> Yeh, by the way... I am waiting patiently for your article about distCC and icecream... :) 12:06 < DeeKey> WOW! Great girl! 12:07 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/IFA/2007/ 12:07 < rxr> I probably shoudl upload some recent phtos 12:07 < rxr> e.g. latest CeBIT ones etc. 12:11 < DeeKey> Cool. Many devices with unknown functionality :) But still looks cool... I hope I could visit CeBIT some day... 12:12 < rxr> I hope CeBIT stays as big 12:13 < rxr> I grew up near Hannover and so hat a chance to visit CeBIT yearly even as child / pupil 12:13 < rxr> though CeBIT was a little bigger in the past, some major manufactors did not attent the last years 12:13 < rxr> but they said they had more visitors this year again 12:14 < rxr> but CeBIT is of course still huge, like 600.000 visitors or so during the now only 6 days 12:15 < DeeKey> Yeh, I have created a new package called rtai-xml. Need to fix its makefile so that it will respect cross compilation. Is there any tool whick can help me to create a proper makefile out of an existing one? 12:16 < rxr> not really, it is more or less manual fixup 12:17 < rxr> ok - did not foudn the new visitor numbers, but there where 480,000 visitors in 2007 13:13 < DeeKey> 480K visitors ... Yeh that is the NUMBER. 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