T2 IRC Log: 2008-01-15

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--- Log opened Tue Jan 15 00:00:40 2008
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08:40 < mtr> moin
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09:09 < Baldzius> moin
09:17 < mtr> hi Baldzius
09:17 < Baldzius> hi mtr :)
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09:40 < rxr> moin Baldzius and mtr pennyk_ *
09:40 < Baldzius> hi rxr
10:03 < pennyk_> rxr: hi
10:04 < CIA-13> aldas * r27543 /trunk/package/network/pilot-link/ (bluez-configure.patch pilot-link.desc):
10:04 < CIA-13> * updated pilot-link (0.12.2 -> 0.12.3)
10:04 < CIA-13> * removed bluez-configure.patch - obsolete
10:07 < CIA-13> rene * r27545 /trunk/package/xorg/libxmu/libxmu.desc: * updated libxmu (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4)
10:07 < CIA-13> aldas * r27544 /trunk/package/gnome2/straw/straw.desc: * updated straw (0.26 -> 0.27)
10:11 < CIA-13> aldas * r27546 /trunk/package/develop/intltool/intltool.desc: * updated intltool (0.36.3 -> 0.37.0)
10:19 < mtr> hi rxr
10:24 < CIA-13> rene * r27547 /trunk/package/games/scorched3d/ (openal.patch scorched3d.desc): * updated scorched3d (40.1d -> 41.2)
10:24 < CIA-13> rene * r27548 /trunk/package/base/crash/crash.desc: * updated crash (4.0-4.12 -> 4.0-4.13)
10:47 < CIA-13> aldas * r27549 /trunk/package/audio/ladspa/ (disable-sound.patch gcc41.patch mkdir.patch): * rediffed the patches for ladspa and removed gcc41.patch
11:13 < CIA-13> aldas * r27550 /trunk/package/gnome2/seahorse/seahorse.desc: * updated seahorse (2.20.3 -> 2.21.4)
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11:27 < write_erase> hi rxr
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11:37 < rxr> hi write_erase
11:37 [Users #t2]
11:37 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-13] [ emte ] [ Knirch ] [ Ragnarin] [ write_erase]
11:37 [ __init__] [ crazy ] [ Enqlave] [ mqueiros] [ rxr ]
11:37 [ axionix ] [ Dallur] [ hwinkel] [ mtr ] [ TobiX ]
11:37 [ Baldzius] [ dsoul ] [ jessta ] [ pennyk_ ] [ valentin]
11:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
11:39 < write_erase> rxr, will you come to CeBIT this year ?
11:44 < rxr> we where there the last 4 years
11:44 < rxr> probably we'll be there this year as well - but not set in stone yet
11:45 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/CeBIT/
11:48 < rxr> write_erase: how is your life and work these days ?
11:55 < write_erase> rxr, I've been working in my new apartment for 2 month now (DIY: painting, kitchen setup, plumbing)... now It's over.
11:56 < write_erase> rxr, I'll try to come to this fair... Hope we can meet.
12:05 < CIA-13> rene * r27551 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (1.4.12 -> 1.4.14)
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13:04 < pennyk_> -c ../../gcc/crtstuff.c -DCRT_BEGIN \
13:04 < pennyk_> -o crtbegin.o
13:04 < pennyk_> In file included from ../../gcc/crtstuff.c:68:
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:90:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:93:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:96:19: error: errno.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:103:20: error: string.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:104:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:105:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> ../../gcc/tsystem.h:111:18: error: time.h: No such file or directory
13:04 < pennyk_> When I do a T2 6.0.3 cross compile(ARM target, x86 host), I encountered this.
13:05 < pennyk_> How to solve it?
13:16 < valentin> what stage are you in ?
13:16 < pennyk_> stage 0
13:16 < pennyk_> 0-gcc
13:17 < valentin> then those file are missing in your host system (or not found)
13:17 < valentin> what is the system you try to build with ?
13:18 < pennyk_> that's unlikely, because I can build x86 target and ppc target without problem
13:18 < valentin> oh
13:18 < pennyk_> my host is x86, Debian 3.1
13:19 < valentin> strange indeed
13:19 < valentin> did you build your other targets on the same system from the same t2 source ?
13:20 < pennyk_> yes. T2 6.0.3
13:20 < pennyk_> for this ARM build, I have to manually downgrade glibc to 2.3.4
13:21 < pennyk_> otherwise, 0-glibc won't compile
13:21 < pennyk_> x86 and ppc builds are the original T2 6.0.3
13:22 < pennyk_> minimalist package selection template
13:22 < valentin> glibc in package/base/glibc i guess
13:22 < pennyk_> yes
13:23 < valentin> hm, maybe we wait a moment until rxr comes back. he has more experience, maybe he saw something similar before...
13:23 < pennyk_> ok. I'll wait
13:23 < pennyk_> What timezone is rxr in?
13:23 < valentin> the only thing that comes to my mind is to track why those files are not found
13:23 < valentin> same as i am
13:23 < valentin> so he is at lunch
13:23 < pennyk_> Berlin time?
13:23 < valentin> y
13:24 < pennyk_> UTC/GMT +1
13:25 < valentin> do you know debug.sh ?
13:25 < valentin> if you go into build/..../$failed_package
13:26 < valentin> there is a script ./debug.sh
13:26 < valentin> then you get a shell with the complete environment set
13:26 < valentin> this is sometimes handy to track such errors down
13:26 < pennyk_> yes. I know.
13:26 < pennyk_> What should I do?
13:30 < valentin> go into the debuging shell, enter the source dir and check what is happening inside eval $MAKE $makeopt
13:30 < valentin> i.e. what options gcc is invoked with
13:41 < pennyk_> /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/src.gcc.default.20080115.175035.7220.denton/gcc-4.1.2/objdir/./gcc/xgcc -B/dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/src.gcc.default.20080115.175035.7220.denton/gcc-4.1.2/objdir/./gcc/ -B/dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/default-6.0.3-generic-arm-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/arm-t2-linux-gnu/bin/
13:41 < pennyk_> -B/dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/default-6.0.3-generic-arm-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/arm-t2-linux-gnu/lib/ -isystem /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/default-6.0.3-generic-arm-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/arm-t2-linux-gnu/include -isystem /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/default-6.0.3-generic-arm-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/arm-t2-linux-gnu/sys-include
13:42 < pennyk_> -O2 -O2 -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition -isystem ./include -I. -I. -I../../gcc -I../../gcc/. -I../../gcc/../include -I../../gcc/../libcpp/include -g0 -finhibit-size-directive -fno-inline-functions -fno-exceptions -fno-zero-initialized-in-bss -fno-unit-at-a-time \
13:42 < pennyk_> -c ../../gcc/crtstuff.c -DCRT_BEGIN \
13:42 < pennyk_> -o crtbegin.o
13:43 < pennyk_> make[2]: Entering directory `/dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/src.gcc.default.20080115.175035.7220.denton/gcc-4.1.2/objdir/gcc'
13:44 < pennyk_> this line shows right before the former lines
13:49 < pennyk_> -isystem /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/default-6.0.3-generic-arm-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/arm-t2-linux-gnu/include
13:50 < valentin> so what happens to be inside /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test...../arm-t2-linux-gnu/include _
13:50 < valentin> ?
13:50 < pennyk_> -isystem /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/default-6.0.3-generic-arm-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/arm-t2-linux-gnu/sys-include
13:50 < pennyk_> none
13:51 < pennyk_> above two dir do not exist
14:00 < valentin> therefore the glibc headers are not found
14:03 < pennyk_> /dd3/root/t2_6.0_test/t2-6.0.3/build/usr/include
14:03 < pennyk_> i got this dir
14:03 < pennyk_> and stdio.h exist in this dir
14:03 < valentin> ah
14:04 < valentin> however, this should not be there
14:05 < valentin> some variables seem to be wrong in this build environment
14:05 < valentin> now this is something rxr has to look at
14:05 < pennyk_> I guess it is my glibc downgrade hack that cause this problem
14:05 < pennyk_> I will dig into it
14:05 < valentin> how did you downgrade ?
14:06 < valentin> just change the .desc ?
14:06 < valentin> or did you downgrade the whole dir to a previous svn revision ?
14:06 < pennyk_> svn co the old package/base/glibc 2.3.4 revision
14:06 < pennyk_> replace those package/base/glibc/* files
14:07 < pennyk_> replace whole glibc dir
14:07 < valentin> do you remember what date that revision was from ?
14:07 < pennyk_> wait for several minutes
14:14 < rxr> re
14:14 < pennyk_> updated glibc (2.3.4-2004-12-24 -> 2.3.4)
14:15 < pennyk_> amery 2005.02.10
14:15 < pennyk_> svn r6262 ?
14:15 < valentin> .oO
14:15 < valentin> since 2005, many things changed
14:16 < pennyk_> maybe it is too old, and the T2 main engine has changed?
14:16 < valentin> and i guess a package like glibc has a large .conf file doing too many magic
14:16 < valentin> what is the latest date/revision which features this glibc ?
14:16 < valentin> i.e the revision before it was upgraded to 2.3.>4 ?
14:17 < rxr> hm http://i5.tinypic.com/87a7fr4.gif
14:17 < pennyk_> 2005-04-26 glibc updated to 2.3.5
14:17 < valentin> hi rxr
14:19 < valentin> how much in $1999 is the SSD ?
14:19 < rxr> I doubt that is real - looks photoshopish ...
14:20 < valentin> what looks photoshoped, the whole webpage ?
14:21 < rxr> the font is a little different from the real shop
14:21 < pennyk_> valentin: What should I do then?
14:21 < rxr> and the pseudo Air looks like a just some pixel lines removed of the thickness of a normal MacBook
14:21 < CIA-13> aldas * r27552 /trunk/package/audio/libmusicbrainz/libmusicbrainz.desc: * updated libmusicbrainz (2.1.4 -> 2.1.5)
14:21 < rxr> yes, the .gif file looks mocked up ...
14:21 < pennyk_> valentin: try adapt the old glibc.conf 2.3.4 to T2 6.0.3's newer engine?
14:22 < valentin> what is the specific reason for downgrading ?
14:22 < valentin> rxr: why should one fake a screenshot of apple store ?
14:22 < rxr> pennyk_: don't you want to use like 7.0 or so ?
14:22 < pennyk_> glibc-20051128 won't compile for ARM
14:23 < rxr> valentin: for the same reasons crackers hack sites and software, for fun and fame etc. :-)
14:23 < pennyk_> T2 6.0.3 use that glibc version
14:23 < rxr> valentin: http://www.macrumors.com/ for other fakes ... :-)
14:23 < pennyk_> T2 7.0 is not released. And I also can't successfully cross compile it for ARM target
14:24 < pennyk_> T2 7.0 rc2
14:24 < rxr> ah yes, IIRC the EABI stuff breaks the current 7.0/trunk glibc build on ARM :-(
14:24 < rxr> if you do not need it you can choose gnuabi in the config, I think we use that in production
14:30 < pennyk_> ok. I will try.
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16:39 < kic-> re
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18:24 < rxr> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
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19:31 < CIA-13> aldas * r27553 /trunk/package/multimedia/xdtv/xdtv.desc: * updated xdtv (2.4.0 -> 2.4.1cvs5)
19:53 < rxr> 19:53 http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html
19:53 < rxr> 19:53 Http/1.1 Service Unavailable
19:53 < rxr> 19:53 ^- hahaha
20:00 < rxr> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/08/01/15/1842211.shtml
20:00 < rxr> ^-> Apple announces MacBook Air
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20:17 * rxr should have designed a MacBook Nano or Mini for them - that would have rocked more (tm)
20:18 < rxr> heh
20:18 < rxr> now after the webpage timed out on me, then the US store, the EU store broke ...
20:18 < rxr> http://registration.euro.apple.com/cgi-bin/stoptiondeat.cgi
20:18 < rxr> Internal Server Error
20:18 < rxr> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
20:18 < rxr> Please contact the server administrator, sysadmin@euro.apple.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
20:18 < rxr> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
20:18 < rxr> Apache/1.3.33 Server at registration.euro.apple.com Port 80
20:49 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2008-01-15/macbook-air-quite-under-the-expectations/
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