T2 IRC Log: 2007-11-25

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--- Log opened Sun Nov 25 00:00:12 2007
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06:00 < DigitalCrypto> mmm
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06:17 < DigitalCrypto> what is the name of the stable minimal CD ISO for T2?
06:19 < DigitalCrypto> nvm
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10:06 < rxr> re
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10:07 < CIA-12> susan * r27027 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated glib (2.14.3 -> 2.14.4)
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10:09 < pennyk_> hi, all
10:09 < pennyk_> Does t2-project have mirrors located in US?
10:10 < CIA-12> susan * r27028 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring.desc: * updated gnome-keyring (2.20.1 -> 2.20.2)
10:11 < pennyk_> I can hardly download from dl.exactcode.de and access svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
10:12 < CIA-12> susan * r27029 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-python/gnome-python.desc: * updated gnome-python (2.20.0 -> 2.20.1)
10:14 < pennyk_> I can connect to those host, but I receive data in extreme low rate and the connection often brokes.
10:14 < rxr> hm - for the sources there should be two us mirrors
10:14 < rxr> not yet for the binary releases
10:14 < rxr> maybe our release are on the ibiblio mirrors, soon
10:15 < pennyk_> I just want t2 release itself, no binary release needed.
10:15 < pennyk_> Do you have a mirror list?
10:17 < rxr> the t2 release itself is just a 2.4 MB source tarball
10:17 < rxr> IIRC that is not mirrored, that's the one in http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/
10:18 < rxr> the upstream sources that are downloaded are on some mirrors, the mirror list is scrolling by in the beginning of the Download script when it is testing which one is the fastest
10:20 < CIA-12> susan * r27030 /trunk/package/network/hostapd/hostapd.desc: * updated hostapd (0.6.0 -> 0.6.1)
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11:06 < pennyk_> when will t2 7.0 release?
11:07 < rxr> probably in about a week
11:10 < pennyk_> wow, that's great!
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11:38 < rxr> finally I found something that nearly saturates our 8-core: building firefox and openoffice at the same time .-)
11:58 < CIA-12> rene * r27031 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.conf: * improved openoffice with custom parallel build support
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14:03 < rxr> hah:
14:03 < rxr> --with-drink The parameter is a favourite drink that unpack should advice you to take.
14:03 < rxr> Example: --with-drink=coffee
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14:08 < rxr> cool - the next openoffice t2 update is ready .-)
14:08 < rxr> wow
14:08 < rxr> OpenOffice.org now builds in 2h on our 8-core w/ 8G RAM !!!
14:09 < rxr> partially cached
14:09 < rxr> == 12:01:01 =[5]=> Building office/openoffice-org [2.3.0.7 8.0-trunk].
14:09 < rxr> 3-> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 15.91% (1440 hits, 7609 misses)
14:23 < rxr> == 11/25/07 14:18:23 =[5]=> Finished building package openoffice-org.
14:23 < CIA-12> rene * r27032 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/ (5 files): * updated openoffice-org (2.2.1 -> 2.3.0.7)
14:37 < rxr> valentin: your sega DC site is the top 10 most loaded page on http://t2-project.org
14:37 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/console/Sega/Dreamcast/
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15:30 < CIA-12> rene * r27033 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode.desc: * updated rxvt-unicode (8.6 -> 8.7)
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15:46 < DigitoCryptal> anyone got an RTFM link on this liveCD ISO image? A bit lost on the package manager installation screen
15:47 < rxr> what exactly do you need to know ?
15:48 < DigitoCryptal> I am attempting to install the base build system but once I get to the package manager it doesn't really permit continuation
15:48 < DigitoCryptal> I can select/deselect packages but I am lost at this point as I don't see any form of "continue" button
15:49 < rxr> which iso did you download ?
15:49 < DigitoCryptal> tc-7.0-rc2-minimal-i486.iso
15:49 < DigitoCryptal> t2 sorry
15:49 < DigitoCryptal> still early
15:50 < DigitoCryptal> Where I am is the Stone Minimal Package Manager
15:50 < DigitoCryptal> All items are highlighted for installation....option 34 says Uninstall all packages marked *
15:52 < DigitoCryptal> GAS looks like it is installing packages
15:55 < DigitoCryptal> I think I got it now....nvm
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15:55 < rxr> Minimal?
15:55 < rxr> I think I seldom tested the Minimal flavour
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15:55 < DigitoCryptal> Yeah...the installer isn't quit intuitive...was just a matter of guessing in the right places :P
15:55 < rxr> can you perform the installation using the menu entry above the Minimal installer?
15:56 < rxr> the gasgui (Recommended) line ?
15:56 < DigitoCryptal> rxr yes that is the line that started the installation
15:56 < rxr> yeah - the installer is the next big thing to replace / rewrite for 8.0 ...
15:56 < DigitoCryptal> :)
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15:58 < DigitoCryptal> Yeah...it's a tricky installer
15:59 < rxr> yeah - sorry
16:00 < DigitoCryptal> no biggy....I've dealt with Debian before :)
16:00 < DigitoCryptal> It's first boot and I am happy
16:05 < rxr> :-)
16:08 < DigitoCryptal> I've been attempting a build minimal with Arch which is New Dep city...so getting things small were a bit tricky
16:09 < DigitoCryptal> I'd like to give T2 a shot to see how much smaller I can get it
16:13 < rxr> pretty small
16:13 < rxr> especially if you have the freedom to chooce uclibc instead of glibc and compile all with -Os etc.
16:19 < DigitoCryptal> ahh
16:19 < DigitoCryptal> I would be one happy camper
16:20 < DigitoCryptal> right now my base is 100MB before Apps with Arch...they've built against everything I can think of and things I cannot...so there are many deps for a base.
16:21 < rxr> yes
16:21 < rxr> with t2 you can enforce all this in your own target
16:21 < rxr> a minimal X image (without devel stuff) can be as tiny as 20M compressed
16:21 < DigitoCryptal> scripts/Config gives me the same error as last time
16:22 < rxr> and with Firefox and some other stuff you can be in the 50M region (still compressed FS)
16:22 < DigitoCryptal> SquashFs?
16:22 < DigitoCryptal> That would be very impressive
16:22 < rxr> yes, the above numbers are with squashfs - something I've done here before
16:22 < rxr> of course you can use your own favourites
16:22 < DigitoCryptal> I am getting a missing ncurses-devel message when trying to run scripts/Config....got this error on Arch last night as well
16:23 < rxr> did you had ncurses around ?
16:23 < DigitoCryptal> 5.6
16:23 < DigitoCryptal> Arch depends on ncurses...but there is no devel package that I am away of
16:24 < rxr> you need the headers around
16:24 < rxr> IIRC the warning only pops up if the Config frontend can not be build
16:24 < DigitoCryptal> ahhh
16:24 < DigitoCryptal> one moment
16:25 < DigitoCryptal> I removed those when trying to minimize arch
16:25 < DigitoCryptal> heh
16:25 < rxr> heh
16:25 < rxr> yeah - to build t2 you need some basic stuff on your system to compile new binaries .-)
16:26 < DigitoCryptal> I understand that
16:27 < DigitoCryptal> This biggest problem is getting the build environment setup correctly
16:28 < DigitoCryptal> give me a moment to check this out again on arch
16:29 < rxr> yeah - just install said t2-7.0-rc2-minimal-i486 iso and you got one :-)
16:29 < rxr> that minimal is all you need to build your own t2
16:29 < DigitoCryptal> rxr I did that and still got the missing ncurses-devel message
16:30 < rxr> with the t2 minimal ?
16:30 < DigitoCryptal> yes
16:30 < rxr> hm - I really positive I check that out just recently
16:31 < DigitoCryptal> i dunno
16:31 < DigitoCryptal> the only ncurses-devel I know of is on Redhat
16:31 < DigitoCryptal> and that was a couple releases ago
16:31 < rxr> this is more of a term of "development stuff" including headers and libraries
16:31 < rxr> all recent RPM based dsitributions split it into ncurses and ncurses-devel
16:32 < rxr> I think even the Debian based ones do so
16:32 < DigitoCryptal> yes prolly
16:32 < DigitoCryptal> debian I believe did that
16:32 < rxr> this message is also more of a hint, that the development parts, like headers are missing
16:32 < DigitoCryptal> I have neither :)
16:32 < DigitoCryptal> I saw kernel-headers being installed during installation
16:33 < rxr> in t2 the packages are not split
16:33 < DigitoCryptal> I am trying again on Arch...svn is on co atm and I am gonna go grab some more coffee
16:33 < rxr> if you are in that minimal install just try Config again
16:33 < DigitoCryptal> kk...give me a moment
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16:42 < DigitoCryptal> This is the error I am getting on both Arch and T2-Minimal http://pastebin.ca/796902
16:44 < DigitoCryptal> as an aside I did download ncurses source from gnu.org and built it on it's own and still get the same message
16:45 < rxr> err
16:46 < rxr> you just have to start the script in the t2 top-level directory
16:46 < rxr> cd t2-source
16:46 < rxr> ./scripts/Config
16:46 < DigitoCryptal> ahh
16:46 < DigitoCryptal> much better
16:50 * DigitoCryptal goes to play for a bit
16:50 < rxr> Have fun!
16:50 < DigitoCryptal> Thx :)
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16:52 < DigitoCryptal> Is there a list of packages included fo each package configuration or is it a choose as I go type of thing?
16:52 < rxr> hm ?
16:53 < CIA-12> rene * r27034 /trunk/package/base/htop/htop.desc: * updated htop (0.6.6 -> 0.7)
16:53 < DigitoCryptal> The package templates...I see Minimal/Mini for X Mini for Desktop and Base....how do I know which software packages are included in desktop for example?
16:53 < rxr> ah
16:54 < rxr> in the Config -> Expert options -> Custom package selection -> there should be some display lsit option
16:54 < rxr> alternatively you coudl read the bare text files in target/generic/pkgsel/...
16:54 < DigitoCryptal> heh
16:55 < DigitoCryptal> I am just getting started and things are looking really nice
16:56 < rxr> and yes, we know the Config is slow
16:56 < rxr> that is on the list to be rewritten next, as well :-)
16:57 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
16:57 < DigitoCryptal> that doesn't bother me....
16:57 < DigitoCryptal> it works...that's what I am concerned with
16:57 < rxr> but me .-)
16:58 < DigitoCryptal> i may need to run through this a couple times to get the hang of things
16:59 < DigitoCryptal> on my project page do I need to link back to T2 as the build system used on the project?
16:59 < rxr> would be nice :-)
16:59 < DigitoCryptal> k
16:59 < rxr> which project is it ?
17:00 < DigitoCryptal> Right now it is called axxiomlinux
17:00 < DigitoCryptal> no project page as of yet that I call home
17:00 < DigitoCryptal> have a channel on freenode for it
17:01 < DigitoCryptal> LilveCD/USB mini optimized for faster procs
17:03 < DigitoCryptal> You guys didn't skimp on the options for a build environment....that's for sure
17:03 < DigitoCryptal> Tons of choices :)
17:03 < rxr> yeah - that are even just the most important / basic ones
17:04 < rxr> if you create a new target you can alter everything
17:04 < rxr> patching every package, adding whatever config options per package and postprocess the binaries in whatever ways you come up with ...
17:04 < DigitoCryptal> that's impressive
17:05 < DigitoCryptal> do you have notes on what you did to create such a small X environment?
17:05 < rxr> you could base on the t-resc target
17:05 < rxr> t2-rescu
17:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/t-resc/
17:06 < DigitoCryptal> k thx for linkage
17:06 < rxr> it's include in the standard t2
17:06 < rxr> but I did not built it the last weeks
17:06 < DigitoCryptal> I think I saw a rescue image selection up near the top of Config :)
17:10 < DigitoCryptal> Is that the fluxbox on the T2 rescue?
17:10 < rxr> yeah - some of those box forks
17:11 < rxr> maybe fluxbox
17:11 < DigitoCryptal> heh
17:12 < rxr> # grep box target/rescue/pkgsel
17:12 < rxr> X blackbox
17:12 < rxr> ah - no, the original flavour ?
17:12 < DigitoCryptal> ahh
17:12 < rxr> whatever, we have them all
17:12 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/blackbox.html
17:12 < DigitoCryptal> it's interesting...I am still learning my way around config
17:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/fluxbox.html
17:13 < rxr> m Development Environment (SDE) | http
17:13 < rxr> 17:04 < DigitoCryptal> that's impressive
17:13 < DigitoCryptal> yeah
17:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/openbox.html
17:13 < rxr> grummel, sometimes cut'n paste in konquerer has it's own live
17:14 < DigitoCryptal> that's true
17:14 < rxr> own life
17:14 < DigitoCryptal> I've been working with Midori /Webkit..that's an interesting project
17:14 < DigitoCryptal> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ :)
17:15 < DigitoCryptal> oh
17:15 < DigitoCryptal> Let's say there is a package that I want but do not see in the build tree...what is the process to add that?
17:15 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/pkgtutorial.html
17:15 < DigitoCryptal> perfect
17:16 < rxr> sometime the next days we hit the 3000 packages mark in t2/trunk
17:16 < DigitoCryptal> wow
17:17 < DigitoCryptal> 3k?
17:17 < DigitoCryptal> lol
17:17 < rxr> yep
17:17 < rxr> 2990 right now in this moment
17:17 < DigitoCryptal> I will try to add one up if I get time...I see a nice addition for JWM
17:17 < DigitoCryptal> Automatic menu generation
17:20 < DigitoCryptal> You even have options for link static? Bless you all
17:21 * DigitoCryptal makes a note for another project using static libs
17:24 < DigitoCryptal> Downloading now....will see you guys in a couple hours...thanks for all the help getting started rxr
17:25 < rxr> np - you're welcome
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17:59 < rxr> lol - http://infon.dividuum.de/
17:59 < CIA-12> rene * r27035 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.desc: * marked openoffice-org to support x86-64
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18:01 < rxr> hey yokoy
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18:07 < CIA-12> rene * r27036 /branches/7.0/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.desc: * merged r27035 from trunk: marked openoffice-org to support x86-64
18:07 < rxr> heh - atop is crappy
18:07 < rxr> on a ittle 8-way Xeon the system idle can reach over 800%
18:07 < rxr> sometimes it is 801 or 802
18:07 < rxr> CPU | sys 0% | user 0% | irq 0% | idle 802% | wait 0% |
18:07 < rxr> what a crap
18:08 < rxr> wonders how 8*100 can accumulate to 802
18:08 < rxr> or 7*100 + 99 can be 801 ...
18:08 < rxr> super software
18:08 < DigitoCryptal> lol
18:08 < DigitoCryptal> missing a couple decimal places or is it really hammering the system?
18:09 < rxr> it's an 8-core, the 800 would be correct
18:09 < DigitoCryptal> lol
18:09 < rxr> but definetly nothing over 800% idle ...
18:09 < rxr> probably strangely coded and rounding errors accumulate ...
18:09 < DigitoCryptal> what kind of machine is that you have?
18:10 < rxr> 2x quad Xeon == 8-cores
18:10 < DigitoCryptal> ahh
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18:10 < DigitoCryptal> I have a tiny AMD64 3400.....I feel slightly inferior
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18:11 < rxr> we only got this box recently, when the nearly 3000 t2 packages took way over a week to reference test build
18:11 < DigitoCryptal> heh
18:11 < DigitoCryptal> I saw that option...I quickly cancelled
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18:27 < rxr> ok - cu then
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22:55 < tri> re
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23:50 < DigitoCryptal> do you guys recommend a specific package manager for use with T2 OS builds?
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