T2 IRC Log: 2007-11-20

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--- Log opened Tue Nov 20 00:00:06 2007
00:40 < yokoy> rxr: hi rene, I will give you feedpack after building sope/ogo. thanks.
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09:53 < rxr> re
09:53 < rxr> yokoy_: I did not looked at ogo, only the general GNUstep work fixed sope, so ogo might still fail
10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26955 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mime-types/perl-mime-types.desc: * updated perl-mime-types (1.21 -> 1.22)
10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26956 /trunk/package/perl/perl-xml-parser/perl-xml-parser.desc: * updated perl-xml-parser (2.34 -> 2.35)
10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26957 /trunk/package/perl/perl-io-zlib/perl-io-zlib.desc: * updated perl-io-zlib (1.07 -> 1.08)
10:12 < CIA-12> rene * r26958 /trunk/package/graphic/jhead/jhead.desc: * updated jhead (2.7 -> 2.8)
10:21 < CIA-12> rene * r26959 /trunk/package/gnustep/addresses/ (addresses.conf compile.patch): * fixed gnustep/addresses to compile again
10:23 < CIA-12> rene * r26960 /trunk/package/gnustep/etoile/ (6 files): * added etoile (0.4.0) - A document-centric desktop and post-desktop environment
10:23 < CIA-12> rene * r26961 /trunk/package/gnustep/cenon/ (. cenon.cache cenon.desc): * added cenon (3.82) - A vector graphics tool for GNUstep
10:24 < CIA-12> rene * r26962 /trunk/package/gnustep/emacs-app/emacs-app.desc: * changed emacs-app build priority (126.100 -> 200.300), to build after the gnustep packages
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11:18 < CIA-12> rene * r26963 /trunk/package/editors/zile/zile.desc: * updated zile (2.2.50 -> 2.2.52)
11:21 < rxr> omg: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/99266
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11:54 < CIA-12> rene * r26964 /trunk/package/editors/emacs/emacs.conf:
11:54 < CIA-12> * build emacs with gtk by default, as the other x-toolkit variants
11:54 < CIA-12> do not display utf-8 in the user-interface elements properly
11:54 < CIA-12> (if someone wants a athena, motif emacs we could make this an
11:54 < CIA-12> config option, aside targets can pass explicit configure options
11:54 < CIA-12> in any case)
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12:34 < Baldzius> moin
12:35 < rxr> moin Baldzius
12:35 < Baldzius> hi rxr
12:37 < rxr> Baldzius: http://research.eeye.com/html/advisories/published/AD20071115.html
12:39 < Baldzius> yeah, afair we are not affected
12:39 < rxr> ah - ok - already in 7.0
12:41 < Baldzius> merged almost month ago :)
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12:44 < CIA-12> aldas * r26965 /branches/7.0/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc:
12:44 < CIA-12> * merged r26890 from trunk to branches/7.0:
12:44 < CIA-12> updated thunderbird (2.0.0.6 -> 2.0.0.9)
12:46 < rxr> Baldzius: sorry, it just scrolled by on http://slashdot.org ...
12:46 < Baldzius> np :)
12:50 < CIA-12> rene * r26966 /trunk/package/base/atop/ (atop.desc segfault.patch): * updated atop (1.21 -> 1.22), segfault patch was merged upstream
13:35 < CIA-12> rene * r26967 /trunk/package/filesystem/ntfs-3g/ntfs-3g.desc: * updated ntfs-3g (1.1104 -> 1.1120)
13:59 < CIA-12> rene * r26968 /trunk/package/mail/pantomime/pantomime.desc:
13:59 < CIA-12> * adapted pantomime for latest GNUstep prefix changes, by sourcing
13:59 < CIA-12> the know common gnustep-conf.in
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14:19 < CIA-12> rene * r26969 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-i740/xf86-video-i740.desc: * fixed numeric, model number typo in xf86-video-i740.desc Text tag
14:57 < CIA-12> rene * r26970 /trunk/package/base/linux26/sparc64-hang.patch:
14:57 < CIA-12> * removed obsolete linux26/sparc64-hang.patch as it was incooperated
14:57 < CIA-12> upstream in 2.6.23.2
15:37 < CIA-12> rene * r26971 /trunk/package/network/cfengine/cfengine.desc: * marked cfengine NOPARALLEL
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18:27 < yokoy_> hello
18:28 < yokoy_> rxr: sope is fine. ogo not, as you mentioned.
18:28 < yokoy_> Creating /opt/ogo/<..> if required ...
18:28 < yokoy_> Running ./configure --prefix=/opt/ogo --gsmake=/usr/System
18:28 < yokoy_> error: specified GNUstep make tree does not exist: /usr/System
18:33 < rxr> ok - that is an easy one
18:33 < rxr> --gsmake=/$(pkgprefix gnustep-make)/System
18:33 < rxr> I commit that
18:33 < rxr> so you can test
18:35 < CIA-12> rene * r26973 /trunk/package/office/opengroupware/opengroupware.conf:
18:35 < CIA-12> * fixed opengroupware to look up where gnustep-make is installed,
18:35 < CIA-12> instead of a static, hardcoded path that is not the default, anymore
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19:43 < yokoy_> rxr: that fixed the bug but another turned up.
19:43 < yokoy_> maybe it is not in the beta as used in t2...
19:43 < yokoy_> anyhow, I send you the log.
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20:18 < tri> moin
20:24 < yokoy_> hi tri
20:42 < tri> ho yokoy_ how are you ?
20:43 < tri> ping rxr
20:45 < rxr> hi
20:49 < tri> i have updated the kernel-headers without problems
20:49 < rxr> good to hear :-)
20:49 < rxr> which target did you build ?
20:49 < tri> all my stuff runs pretty fine :-)
20:49 < rxr> great
20:49 < tri> generic + basic desktop
20:49 < rxr> I also have one case where the newer headers would be handy, namely the xf86-video-ps3 which needs an up-to-date and patched ps3fb.h or so header
20:50 < rxr> (though I could patch that into the olders headers as well .-)
20:50 < tri> hm my problem was the iwlwifi package, wasn't it (?)
20:50 < rxr> when the current reference build finished (restarted yesterday or so) I can do a full (all packages) build on our 8-core ...
20:50 < tri> cool :-)
20:51 < tri> only packages which wasn't build were elilo and lilo
20:51 < rxr> ok - that are known regresions these days
20:51 < rxr> I have them on my must-fix-soon list
20:51 < tri> and i removed the sparc*.patches and the atomic and the avr32 patch from the kernel-headers package
20:51 < rxr> actually I have 230 nodes in just my t2/trunk basket (http://t2-project.org/packages/basket.html)
20:52 < Ragnar|away> rxr: could we have some option to use the latest stable kernel instead of the latest development one?
20:52 < tri> yes, both options would be a nice feature
20:52 < rxr> Ragnar|away: how do you define stable?
20:52 < Ragnar|away> 2.6.22.* atm
20:52 < rxr> I thought we rae on the lastest stablein trunk :-)
20:52 < tri> the last stable kernel like on kernel.org
20:52 < rxr> aren't we ?
20:52 < Ragnar|away> we're using 2.6.23.*
20:53 < rxr> yeah - that is table
20:53 < rxr> unless you define stable as (current upstream stable - one (1))
20:53 < tri> hm right
20:53 < tri> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:  2.6.23.8
20:53 < Ragnar|away> hm :p
20:53 < rxr> we have more conservative (stable? :-) series in the 7.0 and 6.0 branches :-)))
20:54 < tri> i also missed that... :-)
20:54 < tri> the last stable linux kernel is only a few hours old ?
20:54 < Ragnar|away> it's hard to get stuff like vserver and grsec working since the kernel moves too fast
20:54 < tri> yesterday i read about the new "redhat server" - they are now at 2.6 :-)
20:55 < rxr> tri: they relase those .y minior patches these days
20:55 < rxr> the base 2.6.23 is some weeks old
20:55 < Ragnar|away> I thought the new release scheme would be even sub-versions for stable, odd for development and including new features ... 2.6.23 is obviously the latter
20:55 < rxr> Ragnar|away: yeah I know from vserver
20:55 < rxr> I (have to) use 2.6.18 on our 8-core due that
20:56 < rxr> however, 6.0 and 7.0 are not really increased in their major version, so you could be saver staying on that
20:56 < tri> does someone of you have experince with scsi luns in the actual kernel ? scsi multipathing is fully supported these days ?
20:56 < Ragnar|away> vserver and grsec patch seem to work fine with 2.6.22.12
20:57 < rxr> tri: no recent SCSI contact, aside the older Sun boxes ...
20:57 < tri> hm for vserver it would be ok to use t2 7.0 ?
20:59 < tri> ok, time to fix my mailserver/dns problem...
20:59 < rxr> tri: vserver integration is not yet complete in T2
20:59 < rxr> tri: I first quick added it on some fair, and only started to use it recently
20:59 < rxr> ah sorry
21:00 < rxr> wrong
21:00 < rxr> vserver is fine
21:00 < rxr> (though I never used it)
21:00 < rxr> I was talking about openvz ...
21:00 < tri> you might mean xen ?
21:00 < rxr> no, openvz :-)
21:00 < rxr> openvz and xen support in T2 is not complete and requieres a little manual intervention
21:00 < rxr> I plan to finalize that sometime - patches welcome
21:01 < rxr> there are just sooo many container, virtualizer and hypervisors out there these days
21:01 < tri> yeah, it is a hell
21:03 < tri> even somedays we also might be virtualizised or our salary :-)
21:06 < rxr> yeah - some ovely speaking neuronal nets ...
21:07 < rxr> my name is iProgrammer please assign me a task :-)
21:09 < tri> ah yeah some day everything will be virtual and named i* :-)
21:10 < rxr> yeah - we should invest in iApple :-)
21:12 < tri> hm is ajaxterm in the packagematrix - would be a cool package :-)
21:12 < tri> http://antony.lesuisse.org/qweb/trac/wiki/AjaxTerm
21:29 < rxr> those web packages are usually not that handy to package - we do not have many of those
21:29 < rxr> I think not even typo3
21:29 < rxr> how would you package it? where should it install to ?
21:32 < tri> hm ajaxterm just looks like filecopy and tar...
21:32 < tri> would be a special conf script
21:32 < rxr> yeah - but where should it be copied into?
21:32 < rxr> /srv/www ?
21:33 < tri> hm yes this is a problem hm
21:33 < rxr> well - we could have a www space config option
21:33 < rxr> defaulting to either /srv/www or the old-skool /var/www(whatever it was) and copy those packages into that directory :-) ?
21:34 < tri> var/www isn't the right path anymore ?
21:34 < rxr> FHS introduced this /srv top-level directories some years ago
21:34 < rxr> first my reaction was WTF!?!?!?!!
21:35 < rxr> but in the last years I adapted to it and start to like it
21:35 < rxr> like srv/org.t2-project.www srv/de.exactcode.www srv/de.exactcode.mail etc, pp.
21:35 < tri> hm - i don't see much distributions use /srv ?
21:35 < rxr> and no, lovely skriptkiddies, that are not the production pathes on my server, thank you .-)
21:36 < tri> :-)
21:36 < rxr> well - /srv should be there - but probably empty
21:36 < rxr> maybe the apache uses like /var/lib/htdocs or so
21:36 < rxr> , but this does not scale for more than once site
21:36 < rxr> most "hosting more than one site" admins probably configure their sites up in the way above
21:38 < rxr> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM
21:39 < rxr> on all new sites we use the layout
21:39 < rxr> www.exactcode and www.t2-project are form the time before and on other arcane servers and locations ...
21:39 * tri is a postfix god
21:39 < tri> i'm able to send mails, again :-)
21:40 < rxr> oh
21:40 < rxr> and receive, too?
21:40 < rxr> you could resubscribe to the t2 list then :-)
21:41 < tri> yeah i even receive mails now again :-)
21:41 < tri> i missed that spam so much...
21:42 < tri> hm i never ever used /srv... some days ago i did something where with the deamontools but it's while ago :-)
21:46 < tri> wuuh even imaps works :-(
21:46 < tri> ah :-)
21:54 < tri> hm the /srv idea isn't that bad :-)
21:55 < tri> i might use it next time
21:58 < rxr> re
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22:09 < yokoy_> hm, branch 7.0, are there known issues about xf86-video-amd?
22:10 < yokoy_> Running make -j2 CPP=cpp CXX=g++ prefix=/usr/X11R7
22:10 < yokoy_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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22:14 < tri> re
22:35 < rxr> yokoy_: yes
22:35 < rxr> yokoy_: there are - you need to run /etc/postinstall.d/automake or so first
22:36 < rxr> because otherwise the configure.* exapnsion does not find the xorg uitil macros
22:36 < rxr> this affects all xorg drivers built from git
22:36 < rxr> I have not yet come up with a clean solution to make this work cleanly in a full-system build
22:36 < rxr> I only added those git drivers as nice to have
22:37 < rxr> and actually this -amd -nsc driver fork does only work on OLPC, not on our Geode based boards lingering around here
22:38 * rxr soon off home
22:42 < rxr> cu
22:51 < tri> gn8
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