--- Log opened Tue Oct 23 00:00:52 2007 00:26 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z7458.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 00:35 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.80.189.242] has joined #t2 00:36 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:43 -!- Ragnarin [n=loki@D8FA4DE6.ptr.dia.nextlink.net] has joined #t2 00:43 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z6f84.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:56 -!- CIA-8 [i=cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:03 -!- CIA-11 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 02:10 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fgfw.basis.is] has quit ["Leaving."] 03:54 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 04:04 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 04:27 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:25 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@213.133.99.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:48 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 06:49 -!- unleaded__ [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 07:05 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:27 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-72-50-27-222.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:36 -!- unleaded__ [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:36 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 08:08 < rxr> re 08:08 < mtr> moin rxr 08:09 < rxr> moin moin mtr 08:14 -!- ryuo_ [n=ryuo@CPE-72-128-13-245.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 08:26 [Users #t2] 08:26 [@ChanServ] [ Enqlave|server] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 08:26 [ CIA-11 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ ryuo_ ] 08:26 [ cyda ] [ Key_Gena95 ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ sepp ] 08:26 [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin ] [ unleaded] 08:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 08:33 < CIA-11> rene * r26529 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/pciutils.desc: * updated pciutils (2.2.7 -> 2.2.8) 08:37 < ryuo_> question: how do you upgrade/install new packages once you install T2 to hard disk? 08:38 < rxr> right now from source, with Emerge-Pkg 08:38 < rxr> we plan to provide binary pools soon, as well 08:39 < ryuo_> i dont mind compiling 08:39 < ryuo_> :o 08:40 < ryuo_> if i change my compiler optimizations, is it possible to rebuild with one command the entire system? 08:41 < rxr> Emerge-Pkg would not do so by default 08:41 < rxr> but you could for it to do so with Emerge-Pkg -system -force or so I think 08:41 < rxr> ...could force it... 08:47 -!- ryuo_ [n=ryuo@CPE-72-128-13-245.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 09:11 -!- Ragnarin is now known as Ragnar|away 09:11 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@c-217-70-69-245.bragatel.pt] has quit [] 09:33 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:48 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-2e32f8af1fd39f51] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:08 < mtr> perl is broken atm, fails in stage-1 since r26311: changing gcc -> $CC is harmful when cross compiling 10:09 < rxr> yes, I know 10:09 < mtr> would be better to use $HOSTCC 10:09 < rxr> though lars fixed others combinations 10:09 < rxr> not really 10:09 < rxr> we need to rework how perl is cross build 10:09 < rxr> using HOSTCC as sort of before the configuration was bogus anyway, as it detected based on host libs 10:09 < rxr> we even head stray failures on non T2 distribution builds due to detection bdb or other db setup that we have 10:10 < rxr> lars change fixed cross building on some ubuntu but break some of our own combinations :-( 10:10 < rxr> we reverted this in 7.0 already but I have a real rework for 1-perl on my TODO ... 10:45 < rxr> heh 10:45 < rxr> http://forum.golem.de/read.php?14303,774030,774030#msg-774030 10:45 < rxr> "OW....ist das Ding hässlich." 10:46 < rxr> "...zugegeben, Geschmackssache, aber muss denn das Teil aussehen wie ein Duschradio?" 11:53 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-c9cac327de1de9d0] has joined #t2 13:21 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-c9cac327de1de9d0] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:36 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fgfw.basis.is] has joined #t2 13:48 -!- Key_Gena95 [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-a4e7038aa1a24d0a] has joined #t2 14:08 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @ChanServ 14:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ 16:27 < CIA-11> rene * r26530 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.9.1 -> 0.9.10) 17:06 < CIA-11> rene * r26531 /trunk/package/base/libusb/speedup-v2.patch: * commented out solid testing reminder in libusb/speedup.patch 17:22 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 17:24 < rxr> hi emte 17:28 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 17:41 -!- lars_ [n=lars@kuhtz.eu] has joined #t2 17:45 < lars_> Anyone managed to build a recent version of openoffice for ppc (g3 or g4)? Are there chances that a build succeeds? 17:50 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 17:53 < rxr> hi lars_ 17:53 < rxr> lars_: not on trunk 17:53 < rxr> lars_: trunk openoffice does not build 17:53 < rxr> I'm not sure if the 2.1 or 6.0 ooo was the last version that fully build (on ppc) 17:55 < rxr> I can test on the G5, as you appear to need it 17:55 < rxr> that's way faster than waiting for your G4 to crunch thru the code 17:58 < lars_> rxr: would be nice if you can try. Any version >= 2.0 would be a big improvement over the 1.2 that one can find on openoffice.org (refers to yellowdoglinux) 17:59 < rxr> oh - hm 17:59 < lars_> Pamela needs it for a project. At the office she is working for at the moment they use the window version. 18:00 < lars_> Seems that ubuntu ships 2.0. But I am not sure if I would be able to get the binary running on my t2 system... 18:05 < rxr> in theory that should run if your glibc and other libraries "are not too far of" 18:05 -!- unleaded__ [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 18:07 < rxr> lars_: I'll start a 6.0 build on the g5 later, as valentin will be back soon and using the G5 under the Other os X 18:07 < rxr> lars_: btw. I checked in your exact-image changes, today to have them around to work on 18:07 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:13 < lars_> rxr: just noticed. The code is still really crude. And there where some changesets that are general fixes for exact-image, that should better have checked in separately. 18:15 < lars_> I started to play around a bit with different scanning strategies. Maybe I will reimplement it in a completely different way. But first a will play around a bit more with the existing code. 18:16 < rxr> I probably should commit the test images into the testsuite part of the repository 18:17 < lars_> rxr: Would be nice if you can give openoffice a try. In the meanwhile I try out the ubuntu binaries. 18:17 < rxr> btw. most needed types: code25, code39, code128 (B), ean14 18:17 < lars_> The testimages are really huge. 72 MB alltogether. Do you really want to have this in the main repository? 18:17 < rxr> well - they are in the already huge testsuite part of the repository 18:18 < rxr> but the point is (aside from automation later on) that they are shared by the people workin on the code 18:19 < lars_> I know. Yes I should implement at least code128 in the existing framework. Should be not to hard. Before thinking of a new implementation. upc-A/E and ean8/13 are mainly used in supermarkets. 18:20 < lars_> I shall join the familly dinner again. I am back later... 18:23 < rxr> cu lars 18:23 < rxr> greetings 18:24 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:28 < unleaded__> hey 18:28 -!- unleaded__ is now known as emte 18:36 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 18:37 -!- Enqlave|server [i=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:45 -!- byStealth [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 18:46 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:46 -!- byStealth [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit [Client Quit] 18:46 -!- Enqlave|server [i=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 18:48 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has joined #t2 19:22 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:25 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADBCC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 19:37 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@c-217-70-69-204.bragatel.pt] has joined #t2 19:42 < CIA-11> rene * r26532 /trunk/package/multimedia/gnash/ (gnash.conf gnash.desc): * updated gnash (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1) 20:12 -!- lars_ [n=lars@kuhtz.eu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:14 -!- lars_ [n=lars@kuhtz.eu] has joined #t2 20:45 < rxr> lars_: I resaved all test barcodes with econvert - this saved some 15MB or so as the tiff files contained additional junk from Apple's Preview.app, like color calibration stuff 20:46 < rxr> I'll soon make the testsuite only readable by people with write access 20:46 < rxr> as having those cd backsides open to the public probably will bring lawyers to us, once again... 20:47 < rxr> (I also left out the barcodes that where not scanned by us, of course) 20:53 < rxr> oh - the barcode code on the ps3 was older, hm ? 20:54 < lars_> thanks, will merge this with my local repos. At the moment I am struggeling with gdb, seufz. "Failed to read a valid object file image from memory." Compiled with -O0 --ggdb. The binary works. Grrr. 20:55 < rxr> hm 20:55 < rxr> on the G4 ? 20:56 < rxr> hm 20:56 < rxr> do you like to commit some know good state ? as the PS3 version right now does not build 20:56 < rxr> (and I would need to work on some other part of exact-image right now :-) 20:57 < rxr> maybe I should have grabed the horsepower flavour :-) 21:05 < lars_> yes, try lars@horsepower:~/BarDecode/upstream.svn 21:07 < lars_> the directory contains .svn as well as .hg. svn is merged into hg. But not the other way around. The "svn-to-hg-synchronisation changesets" are marked as such in the hg history. 21:08 < lars_> You can either do "svn ci" to get it at once or cherry-pick by using "hg up ; svn ci -m 'message'". 21:12 < rxr> hm 21:13 < rxr> do you want to commit some "compiling state" ? 21:13 < lars_> that version should compile. I just compiled it. 21:14 < rxr> I did not tested, was more a you're the author kind of question .-) 21:21 < lars_> ok, I do. 21:23 < rxr> :-) 21:46 < tri> moin 21:53 < rxr> moin moin tri 21:55 < tri> hi rene sorry i have no time this week for the t2 systems speech 21:55 < tri> we have to implement dfs till 4/5.11 :-) 21:55 < tri> and not everything is finished yet... 21:57 < rxr> :-( 21:58 < tri> novell is a bit funny 21:59 < tri> we will implement novell dfs because here are all fileservers running under netware 22:04 < rxr> netware ? 22:04 < rxr> such kind of DOS extender is still in production ? 22:05 < tri> yes, it is used for all kind of fileservice here - for about 40 TB 22:05 < tri> :-) 22:06 < rxr> unbelivable 22:07 < tri> yes and it just works - the netware admins here really like the novell linux idea but some functions they have or knowledge will just be lost when they will use novell linux 22:08 < tri> not because linux cann't do it just because novell linux is such a complicated yasty anything... 22:12 < rxr> the last time I touched Netware was 10 years ago ... 22:12 < rxr> ok - maybe just 9 22:12 < tri> :-) 22:12 < tri> but there are still full driver support for new ibm storage systems, tape libarys, etc... 22:14 < tri> and the central ldap server (15.000 users) here is also running as cluster service on 6 netware nodes > novell edirectory 22:16 < tri> and now the really cool thing novell will not any longer provide support for netware so every machine here with netware have to be switched to linux (ok, novell linux but it is still some kind of linux...) 22:20 < tri> hm http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori 22:21 < tri> looks interessting 22:23 < tri> http://gstaedtner.net/bilder/midori010.png 22:25 < rxr> yeah - started to package it for the fun, but not yet really finished 22:26 < rxr> (just the .desc meta info thrown into the reference builder for the next time I have free time) 22:26 < tri> ah cool :-) 22:26 < tri> firefox sucks sometimes 22:26 < rxr> t2-trunk/package# svn st | wc -l 22:26 < rxr> 250 22:26 < rxr> tri: yeah - I use konqueror the whole days .-) 22:27 < rxr> ok, aside when I'm in OS X or tap my iPhone, but then it's still the wrapper KHTML underneath :-) 22:27 < tri> your iphone :-) 22:29 < rxr> yeah - rocks 22:30 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/USA/2007%20Florida%202/&index=12 22:30 < tri> last week we have a problem with lotus notes and our notes admin told me that his contact at ibm just did a quick code review... - i thought yeah sure he do a quick notes code review and you have a iphone 22:30 < tri> but he was one of the ibm lotus notes c api developer and ok you have a iphone... 22:31 < tri> but you have paid for it ? 22:31 < rxr> yes, the regular price in US$ in an AT&T store in Florida 22:31 < rxr> but no, not me, my company :-) 22:34 < tri> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/USA/2007%20Florida%202/dsc01050.jpg :-) 22:34 < rxr> yes ? 22:34 < tri> look like they see really good c code :-) 22:34 < rxr> heh, not really 22:35 < rxr> and you do not want to know what they where looking at 22:35 < tri> hm they just were looking for shoes at ebay ? 22:35 < rxr> nope 22:37 < tri> a picture from you ? 22:37 < rxr> you really pressing it 22:38 < rxr> actually I just made neo and iphone photos for the linux mag today 22:38 < rxr> I probably should scp them to the hardware picture stream on that side 22:38 < rxr> plus the "berlin @ night" from the Bundestag just this weekend 22:39 < tri> yes would be nice - your gallery is nice :-) 22:39 < tri> what where they looking at ? 22:43 < rxr> you do not wanna know 22:43 [Users #t2] 22:43 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ Key_Gena95] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] 22:43 [ CIA-11 ] [ Enqlave ] [ lars_ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ tri ] 22:43 [ cyda ] [ Enqlave|server] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin] 22:43 [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ] 22:43 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 22:43 < valentin> lars_: hi lars 22:44 < lars_> hi valentin 22:45 < rxr> fine, rxr just rebooted my computer, so i will abuse his terminal ^^ 22:46 < tri> can dietlibc replace glibc 22:46 < lars_> He rebooted the G5? It should be building ppc-openoffice for pamela :-) 22:46 < rxr> yeah, something like that 22:47 < rxr> well, at least i can go home now 22:47 < lars_> I think Kerstin would appreciate. 22:48 < rxr> are you at home or still at work ? or doing work at home ? 22:49 < lars_> Doing "work" at home, actually I am playing around with the bardecode stuff. 22:50 < lars_> I think I start to get an idea how do reimplement it in a way that it has a chance to work reliable 22:51 < rxr> hey... 22:51 < rxr> and what does pamela do right now ? 22:53 < lars_> she is sleeping. And I should as well. Since she has a project now she is working on, we have to stand up at 6:30. 22:54 < rxr> nice 22:55 < rxr> cu later then 22:55 < rxr> * hands keyboard back to rxr 22:55 < lars_> The fact that she has a job now means that her previous full-time job (growing 3 childreen) got divided by two --- So I have just another 4 to 6 h the day job ... 22:57 < rxr> n8 all 22:58 < tri> cu 23:00 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@sr2.heapsort.de] has joined #t2 23:10 < lars_> rxr: I just commited a new version of bardecode. Should recognize more barcodes. Still only upc-a, ean8, ean13 without checksum test. Only proof of concept hacks with a lot of room for performance optimization. 23:13 < lars_> cu 23:13 -!- lars_ [n=lars@kuhtz.eu] has quit ["leaving"] 23:14 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@unaffiliated/enqlave] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 23:14 < tri> gn8 23:14 -!- tri [n=tri@p57ADBCC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] --- Log closed Wed Oct 24 00:00:53 2007