T2 IRC Log: 2007-09-06

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--- Log opened Thu Sep 06 00:00:35 2007
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08:55 < rxr> re
08:55 [Users #t2]
08:55 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ kic- ] [ netson99 ] [ sepp_ ]
08:55 [ CIA-8 ] [ emte__ ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ shevy ]
08:55 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ]
08:55 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
08:55 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
08:57 < CIA-8> rene * r25900 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-100-uclibc-conf.patch:
08:57 < CIA-8> * rediffed package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-100-uclibc-conf.patch
08:57 < CIA-8> for binutils 2.17.50.0.18
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09:37 [Users #t2]
09:37 [@ChanServ] [ emte__ ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ] [ write_erase]
09:37 [ CIA-8 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ]
09:37 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ netson99 ] [ shevy ]
09:37 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
09:37 [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin]
09:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
09:38 < CIA-8> rene * r25901 /trunk/package/textproc/libxslt/libxslt.desc: * updated libxslt (1.1.21 -> 1.1.22)
09:39 < CIA-8> susan * r25902 /trunk/package/base/ltrace/ltrace.desc: * updated ltrace (0.4 -> 0.5)
09:40 < CIA-8> rene * r25903 /trunk/package/office/libwpd/libwpd.desc: * updated libwpd (0.8.9 -> 0.8.11)
09:42 < CIA-8> susan * r25904 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (1.0 -> 1.1)
09:45 -!- itsu [n=user@i577BBD12.versanet.de] has joined #t2
09:45 < CIA-8> susan * r25905 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.6.STABLE14 -> 2.6.STABLE16)
09:45 < CIA-8> susan * r25906 /trunk/package/develop/libgdiplus/libgdiplus.desc: * updated libgdiplus (1.2.4 -> 1.2.5)
09:46 < CIA-8> rene * r25907 /trunk/package/base/sysklogd/ (module_h_fix_26headers.patch sysklogd.desc): * updated sysklogd (1.4.1 -> 1.5)
09:47 < CIA-8> susan * r25908 /trunk/package/gnome2/libxklavier/libxklavier.desc: * updated libxklavier (3.2 -> 3.3)
09:47 < CIA-8> rene * r25909 /trunk/package/x11/dwm/dwm.desc: * updated dwm (4.3 -> 4.4.1)
09:47 < CIA-8> susan * r25910 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (2.4.4 -> 2.4.5)
09:48 < CIA-8> susan * r25911 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.9p4 -> 1.6.9p5)
09:49 < CIA-8> rene * r25912 /trunk/package/develop/re2c/re2c.desc: * updated re2c (0.13.0 -> 0.13.1)
09:49 < CIA-8> susan * r25913 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.15.1 -> 0.9.15.2)
09:50 < CIA-8> rene * r25914 /trunk/package/base/readline/readline.desc: * updated readline (5.2-004 -> 5.2-007)
09:54 < CIA-8> susan * r25915 /trunk/package/develop/libnjb/libnjb.desc: * updated libnjb (2.2.5 -> 2.2.6)
09:55 < CIA-8> susan * r25916 /trunk/package/graphic/leptonlib/leptonlib.desc: * updated leptonlib (1.47 -> 1.48)
09:56 < CIA-8> susan * r25917 /trunk/package/audio/streamripper/streamripper.desc: * updated streamripper (1.61.27 -> 1.62.3)
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09:57 < CIA-8> rene * r25918 /trunk/package/develop/libatomic_ops/libatomic_ops.desc: * marked libatomic_ops to not support mips and mips64
09:59 < CIA-8> rene * r25919 /trunk/package/base/strace/01-linux_sigcontext.patch.mips: * removed obsolete strace/01-linux_sigcontext.patch.mips
10:02 < CIA-8> susan * r25920 /trunk/package/xorg/libxrender/libxrender.desc: * updated libxrender (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4)
10:02 < CIA-8> susan * r25921 /trunk/package/xorg/libxfont/libxfont.desc: * updated libxfont (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1)
10:03 < CIA-8> susan * r25922 /trunk/package/xorg/libxrandr/libxrandr.desc: * updated libxrandr (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
10:11 < CIA-8> susan * r25923 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.2.10 -> 1.4.1)
10:26 < CIA-8> susan * r25924 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/setuptools.desc: * updated setuptools (0.6c6 -> 0.6c7)
10:36 < CIA-8> rene * r25925 /trunk/package/base/schedutils/schedutils.desc: * updated schedutils (1.4.0 -> 1.5.0)
10:42 < CIA-8> rene * r25926 /trunk/package/develop/cwiid/ (. cwiid.cache cwiid.desc): * added cwiid (0.5.03) - CWiid Wiimote Interface
10:45 < CIA-8> rene * r25927 /trunk/package/develop/cwiid/cwiid.desc: * marked cwiid to cross compile
12:03 < CIA-8> susan * r25928 /trunk/package/develop/log4cpp/log4cpp.desc: * updated log4cpp (0.3.4b -> 1.0)
12:07 < CIA-8> susan * r25929 /trunk/package/www/eaccelerator/eaccelerator.desc: * updated eaccelerator (0.9.5 -> 0.9.5.2)
12:16 < CIA-8> rene * r25930 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86dgaproto/xf86dgaproto.desc: * updated xf86dgaproto (2.0.2 -> 2.0.3)
12:16 < CIA-8> rene * r25931 /trunk/package/xorg/libxxf86dga/libxxf86dga.desc: * updated libxxf86dga (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
12:21 < CIA-8> susan * r25932 /trunk/package/develop/libtasn1/libtasn1.desc: * updated libtasn1 (0.3.10 -> 1.0)
13:41 [Users #t2]
13:41 [@ChanServ] [ emte__ ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin ]
13:41 [ CIA-8 ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ] [ write_erase]
13:41 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ]
13:41 [ Dallur ] [ itsu ] [ netson99 ] [ shevy ]
13:41 [ dsoul ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ]
13:41 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 22 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal]
14:00 < CIA-8> mtr * r25933 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in:
14:00 < CIA-8> * fixed a typo in the generic desktop package selection
14:00 < CIA-8> to include alsa-lib
14:14 < rxr> mtr: hm - I think this mulitple packages syntax was suppost to be supported ...
14:14 < rxr> , no ?
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15:58 < mtr> rxr: once it was supported - before migrating parts of the config system to lua
16:00 < rxr> I thought I explicitly implemented it compatible
16:00 < rxr> I could have fixed the lua impl. bug, then ...
16:02 < rxr> hi mtr, btw :-)
16:03 < cyda> moin
16:04 < mtr> or moin then :)
16:04 < cyda> lol, it is here
16:04 -!- rogx [n=rogx@V4896.v.pppool.de] has joined #t2
16:04 < rogx> hi!
16:05 < cyda> ho!
16:05 < rogx> i want build t2 on non-t2 system, in docs you write: "is might be easier to download one of the T2 rescue binaries (<; 100 Mb) which give you a full build system". i fetch this: http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/unstable/7.0-trunk/t-resc-0.5/t-resc-0.5-x86-pentium.iso but there is no gcc,make, watever installed. can anyone write url of "T2 rescue binaries"?
16:06 < rxr> t-resc is for rescue, the absense of gcc et al. is intentional
16:06 < rxr> rogx: you can just start building t2 on your debian, suse, redhat system anyway
16:06 < rxr> if you want a t2 with compiler grab a minimal or desktop build, they include the compiler ...
16:07 < rogx> thx
16:07 < rogx> i will get desktop build :)
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17:27 < rogx> in http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.3/minimal-desktop-live-pentium-mmx/t2-minimal-desktop-live-6.0.3-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso the
17:27 < rogx> script/Config missing ncurses-devel, anyone now an functional build cd?
17:29 < mqueiros_> rogx: are you using Debian to build T2 ?
17:30 < rogx> no, i use the desktop-live iso in vmware
17:30 < rxr> rogx: ehrm - that is a livecd as well, I wrote minimal or dekstop - sorry, the livecd did not came to my mind
17:35 < rogx> ok, i will test this one: http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/7.0-rc/desktop-x86-i686/t2-7.0-rc-desktop-i686.iso
17:37 < rogx> nobody build t2 without local root?
17:37 < rxr> no, that is not possible, yet
17:38 < rogx> the only way is vmware :)
17:48 < rxr> user-mode-linux, qemu, xen, virtual-box, etc. pp.
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21:05 < rxr> hi
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21:13 < pdinoto_> hi!
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22:19 < n0yd_> Hi, I have absolutely no experience with T2, but I stumbled upon the project and it peaked my interest. So I'm following the T2 book, and I just completed running the download phase. But then the books jumps right to compiling, which seems odd. When am I supposed to pick what packages I want for my system? Should I run the Create-PkgList script first, or should I have down that before I ran the download script? Excuse me if I sound like an
22:22 < sepp_> hi n0yd_
22:22 < sepp_> you can select packages with ./scripts/Config
22:27 < n0yd_> Hmm, I swear I didn't see an option in their. I guess I overlooked it. Thanks. ;)
22:28 < n0yd_> I was wondering why the download script grabbed so much stuff I didn't want. :-P
22:28 < sepp_> ohh, it might be under expert options
22:28 < n0yd_> It will resolve dependencies, right?
22:28 < sepp_> if you select packages in Config, no
22:29 < n0yd_> So if I choose to have xfce, I have to know all of xfce's dependencies?
22:30 < sepp_> with Config, yes
22:30 < n0yd_> Ouch...
22:30 < sepp_> there are .cache files, they have the deps in them
22:30 < n0yd_> for each package?
22:30 < sepp_> but Config does not resolve deps
22:30 < sepp_> yes
22:30 < n0yd_> Hmm, ok. I'll have a look
22:31 < sepp_> many packages have optional deps, in the end you have to manually set things
22:31 < n0yd_> Also regarding kernels, does T2 just use stock sources by default?
22:32 < n0yd_> Just curious if I'm going to have add a reiser4 patch or not.
22:32 < sepp_> 'policy' is to not apply random junk patches, unless needed to build a package
22:33 < n0yd_> Well, my system has a Raid5 array using reiser4, so I guess I'll need to apply such patch to the vanilla sources.
22:33 < n0yd_> Or is there a -ck available I can select?
22:34 < sepp_> no
22:34 < n0yd_> k
22:34 < sepp_> but you can throw the .patch into the linux26 dir
22:34 < sepp_> it will apply it for you
22:34 < n0yd_> Oh ok, great.
22:35 < sepp_> if its named*.oatch
22:35 < sepp_> *.patch
22:35 < n0yd_> right
22:35 < n0yd_> I understand all that stuff.
22:35 < sepp_> :)
22:35 < n0yd_> I used to mess around with making my own patchsets for kicks. ;)
22:36 < n0yd_> Will their be an option somewhere in the package selection to choose kernel version? I noticed it downloaded multiple versions
22:37 < sepp_> the older version is just for the header files
22:37 < n0yd_> i saw 2.4 src's being downloaded iirc.
22:38 < sepp_> well, who would want to run 2.4
22:38 < n0yd_> Not I. ;) It just made me curious as to kernel choices.
22:39 < n0yd_> Ok, I'm seeing "package options" for a bunch of packages, but no real package selection...
22:40 < sepp_> one moment
22:41 < n0yd_> I enabled the expert options. Btw I'm using latest trunk.
22:41 < sepp_> [*] Show expert and experimental options -> [*] Custom package selection -> ===> Edit package selection rules
22:42 < n0yd_> I have to make rules to tell it not to build certain packages?
22:42 < sepp_> yes
22:42 < n0yd_> ick
22:42 < sepp_> but you can also select templates
22:42 < sepp_> like minimal-xorg
22:42 < sepp_> or desktop
22:43 < n0yd_> Yes I remember seeing something on that.
22:43 < n0yd_> Is there a way before building to check to see if I have all my deps satisfied?
22:44 < sepp_> no
22:44 < sepp_> but you can select templates to not reinvent the wheel ...
22:44 < sepp_> and add things
22:44 < n0yd_> Ok
22:46 < n0yd_> What about using a template for lets say a minimal system. No xorg or anything. After I build and install the system, can I build other packages afterwards using a package manager or something? (Not even sure if T2 has a package manager actually :-P)
22:47 < sepp_> there is Emerge-Pkg, that resolves deps (from the .cache files)
22:47 < sepp_> but that are 'maximal deps'
22:48 < n0yd_> So I can always add packages to a installed system? I'm just wondering if this is really worth proceeding with, or if I should just do another LFS build but this time using paco and alfs or something.
22:49 < sepp_> but if you know what you do you can say 'yeah, i know there is some optional gnome feature, but i dont like gnome, just shut up and do it'
22:49 < sepp_> has lfs a package manager?
22:50 < n0yd_> Using paco, yes.
22:50 < sepp_> that does what?
22:50 < n0yd_> My other thought was diy-linux and pacman. But this sounded like a more superb choice.
22:51 < n0yd_> Keeps track of installed tarballs, and allows for easy removal and such. I haven't looked into it much regarding it's full capabilities.
22:51 < sepp_> from paco.sf.net it sounds like what t2 does
22:52 < sepp_> you also get file list from preloaded libs and a way to remove packages later ...
22:53 < n0yd_> Hmm...
22:54 < sepp_> but no gtk gui ...
22:54 < n0yd_> I don't care about gui's. Especialy for pkg managers.
22:55 < n0yd_> Is there some documentation explaining these templates, as far as contents, and how to apply them. I guess the problem I'm having right now mainly is this documentation is quite bland, for a newcomer, it doesn't go into much detail about the flexibility of T2.
22:59 < sepp_> you saw the handbook?
22:59 < n0yd_> That's what I'm reading.
22:59 < kic-> hrm
23:00 < n0yd_> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2-book.htm
23:00 < sepp_> yes
23:00 < kic-> wow
23:00 < n0yd_> It shows how to build a system, but doesn't explain much regarding customization along the way.
23:00 < kic-> i486 build of xorg-server failed
23:00 < kic-> :D
23:00 < kic-> on renderedge.lo
23:00 < kic-> woot
23:00 < sepp_> well, oss, no one gets payed enough to write a good documentation :/
23:01 < sepp_> but you can ask here
23:01 < kic-> lol, looks like its failing from bad syntax in the code?!
23:01 < kic-> heh
23:02 < kic-> picturestr.h:657: error: expected ')' before 'pid'
23:02 < kic-> picturestr.h:668: error: expected ')' before 'pid'
23:02 < kic-> make[1]: *** [renderedge.lo] Error 1
23:02 < sepp_> hi kic-
23:02 < kic-> hiya sepp
23:02 < n0yd_> sepp_: True to an extent, I suppose. I've seen some good FOSS documentaion though. (LFS, Gentoo, for example)
23:03 < n0yd_> Although compared to ROCK, I'd say T2 is a bit better in the docs department. ;)
23:08 < sepp_> hehe
23:10 < sepp_> 100 years ago i used rock
23:10 < sepp_> or so
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