T2 IRC Log: 2007-08-23

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--- Log opened Thu Aug 23 00:00:08 2007
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02:15 < chuckster20> Enter text here...hello
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07:15 < sn9_> 6.0.3 fails to build, and 7.0-rc fails to download :(
07:16 < sn9_> so much for being able to try t2 today...
07:17 < sn9_> am i doing something wrong?
07:18 < sn9_> i'm following the handbook
07:34 < sn9_> this has got to be the least active channel on freenode...
07:36 < sepp> hi sn9_ :)
07:36 < sn9_> hello
07:38 < sn9_> the build of 6.0.3 stops with some nonsensical error building perl
07:38 < sepp> some make error?
07:38 < sn9_> 7.0-rc won't even fetch packages
07:39 < sn9_> if it were make, it might have made sense
07:39 < sn9_> rebuilding now with xtrace
07:39 < sepp> do you run some debian or ubuntu?
07:39 < sn9_> yes
07:39 < sepp> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=616092
07:39 < sepp> ;)
07:40 < sn9_> holy fsck!
07:41 < sepp> hehe
07:42 < sn9_> now, how about 7.0-rc?
07:42 < sepp> what is the error with that?
07:43 < sn9_> 404
07:43 < sepp> what? svn, ftp or some package?
07:43 < sn9_> most packages
07:43 < sn9_> i've tried every mirror
07:44 < sepp> uhm
07:44 < sepp> what is in download/Mirror-Cache ?
07:45 < sn9_> "scripts/Download -required" just does not want to work on 7.0-rc
07:45 < sn9_> http://64.251.30.248/mirror_t2/7.0 7.0-rc
07:45 < sn9_> at least, atm
07:45 < sepp> if it is not yet on the mirror it would fetch from the original url
07:46 < sn9_> also 404
07:46 < sepp> network fuckup on your side?
07:47 < sn9_> that would not generate a 404
07:47 < sepp> why should it generate a 404 even on all fallback (orig) locations?
07:48 < sn9_> some fuckup in the tarball?
07:49 < sepp> which tarball?
07:49 < sn9_> first thing that fails is flex-2.5.31
07:49 < sn9_> 7.0-rc
07:51 < sepp> hmm
07:51 < sepp> more?
07:53 < sn9_> linux-2.6.21-rc7-u1.diff.gz
07:54 < sn9_> there may have been a third, but i don't see it atm
07:57 < sepp> flex is an typo in the 7.0-rc (fixed in 7.0 svn) ...
07:57 < sepp> -[D] 2768449097 flex-2.5.33.tar.bz2 http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lex/
07:57 < sepp> +[D] 2768449097 flex-2.5.33.tar.bz2 http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/flex/
07:57 < sepp> 'f' missing ...
07:58 < sn9_> like i said...
07:59 < sn9_> which file is that, btw?
07:59 < sepp> you could just edit package/base/flex/flex.desc for now and add the 'f'
07:59 < sepp> but it should be on the mirror in the 1st place
08:07 < sepp> but at least 2 files is not most :-)
08:07 < sn9_> thanx
08:08 < sepp> yw
08:08 < sn9_> well, most are not on the mirrors, but the orig url's work except there
08:09 < sepp> i thought you mean it can not download anything ...
08:09 < sn9_> from mirrors, it can't
08:11 < sepp> ok
08:11 < sepp> no clue why
08:12 < sn9_> but 6.0.3 downloads go without a hitch
08:19 < sepp> :)
08:23 < sepp> now one should fix perl
08:24 < sn9_> my name is not larry wall, and i agree with that message ;)
08:38 < sepp> too bad :p
08:41 < sn9_> still can't download linux-2.6.21-rc7-u1.diff.gz
08:41 < sepp> which package does that belong to?
08:42 < sepp> have no 7.0 tree around ...
08:42 < sn9_> can't get popt-1.7.tar.gz, either
08:43 < sn9_> that was the third one i didn't see before
08:44 < sn9_> the diff.gz is from unionfs
08:45 < sepp> the files are at least on http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/t2/source/7.0/
08:45 < sn9_> both?
08:46 < sepp> popt, flex
08:46 < sn9_> but not unionfs?
08:47 < sepp> not this one, but i dont know how long files stay on the mirrors
08:48 < sepp> you could ask rxr
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09:21 < rxr> re
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09:23 < rxr> re
09:28 < sepp> moin rxr
09:29 < rxr> the outdated files are deleted after 6 months, currently
09:32 < sepp> ahh, ok
09:32 < rxr> so far I found noone complaining, ... maybe we should increase that a little
09:33 < mtr> moin :)
09:34 < sepp> moin mtr
09:34 < rxr> hey mtr
09:34 < mtr> moin moin sepp
09:35 < mtr> hi rxr
09:36 < mtr> how are things in T2?
09:36 < sn9_> popt is NOT on nexus.tfh-berlin.de, according to the downloader script
09:40 < rxr> sn9_: can you just use trunk instead of the aging -rc snapshot ?
09:40 < rxr> sn9_: we also should fix your perl build error
09:40 < rxr> (of 6.0)
09:41 < rxr> can you post the full 1-perl.err log file at some site ?
09:41 < rxr> mtr: fine, great or so ...
09:41 < rxr> mtr: more hits ever day, etc :-) I fixed the qtcore to add the bigendian config more generically and added arm support
09:41 < rxr> mtr: some openmoko people complaint that qtcore should probably be renamed to qtopia-core or so
09:43 < rxr> and, how was your holiday ?
09:44 < sn9_> the perl build error is a bug in perl. i resymlinked /bin/sh to /bin/bash and am rebuilding
09:45 < sn9_> i might have used the trunk, but then i saw the /topic
09:45 < rxr> ah - that bug
09:46 < mtr> trolltech named it qtopia-core, but in fact it has nothing to do with qtopia
09:46 < mtr> qtcore is the qt/embedded successor
09:50 < rxr> ok, good to know the openmoko folks troll around .-)
09:50 < rxr> mtr: our qtcore package built for arm after my changes, but webkit did nt yet
09:50 < mtr> thanks, enjoyed some sunny days with my family, was a great time
09:50 < rxr> but I had no closer look yet
09:50 < rxr> mtr: great :-) holidays are alway so refreshing :-)
09:57 < rxr> valentin: you use pine, right ?
09:59 < rxr> valentin: there is some new http://www.washington.edu/alpine/, maybe we should add it .-)
10:01 < rxr> Polen gegen Open XML?
10:01 < rxr> ^-> http://golem.de/ <-v
10:01 < rxr> yes, please safe us, Germany already decided to vote for it ...
10:13 < rxr> ^-> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94703
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11:38 < CIA-24> rene * r25735 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.22.3 -> 2.6.22.4)
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11:59 < rxr> I wouldn't code name my software "fuki", ...
11:59 < rxr>
11:59 < rxr> XEmacs 21.5.28 "fuki" is released
12:00 < valentin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuki
12:01 < rxr> heh
12:01 < rxr> sounds strange notheless ...
12:03 < sn9_> no more strange than ficus benjamina
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12:17 < rxr> XEmacs 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" (linux, Mule) of Thu Aug 23 2007 on blackrider
12:17 < rxr> he
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13:21 < kulandin> hello!
13:22 < rxr> hi
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13:24 < kulandin> Ha :) Yesterday due to the "nearbyint" problem I decided to change libraries from uclibc to eglibc
13:24 < kulandin> I was shocked when the download counter showed more then 100MB for eglibc!
13:24 < rxr> I think it might contain .svn files
13:24 < kulandin> And it is called embedded!
13:25 < rxr> eglibc is more a general "we want a sane maintainer" fork, as Ullrich Drepper pisses on everyone
13:25 < rxr> it is just the glibc
13:25 < rxr> nothing really embedded, just a little better cross support and such
13:25 < rxr> some people, including Open Moko, use glibc for embedded systems, ...
13:26 < rxr> "big embedded systems"
13:26 < kulandin> HAHAH yea... Actually embedded does not mean small :)
13:27 < valentin> some people put standard mainbords in fancy plastic boxes and call that an embededd system
13:27 < valentin> mainboards / embedded
13:27 < kulandin> But why not?!
13:28 < valentin> i'd rather call that a PC
13:28 < kulandin> embedded mean a computer system designed for a particular use case. It is programmed once an should work as a hardware thing..
13:28 < valentin> yea, sure
13:51 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/embedded/
13:56 < kulandin> great ! Everything is clear
13:57 < rxr> any suggestion and more text etc. pp for our homepage is welcome :-)
13:58 < kulandin> maybe more Q&A ?
13:58 < kulandin> maybe forum?
13:58 < rxr> if you have a Q&A let us know :-)
13:58 < rxr> forum, yeah , ...
14:00 < kulandin> Actually I meant Frequently asked Q&A ...
14:01 < rxr> yeah - I know, as you asked for more Q&A I asked if you have a A that's missing
14:01 < kulandin> it is hard for me to decide now, is it frequent or not :)
14:02 < rxr> all - frequent questions we know are answered there :-)
14:03 < kulandin> Forum will be of value to the project... It is quite difficult to solve compiling related problems without community support.
14:03 < kulandin> It is quite hard t reuse the info from IRC logs..
14:10 < CIA-24> rene * r25737 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
14:10 < CIA-24> * updated u-boot (1.1.4 -> 1.2.0), moved AVR specific patching into
14:10 < CIA-24> architecture/avr32/package/u-bnoot (1.1.4-avr1) overlay
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15:56 < cyda> safemedia
15:56 < kulandin> ?
15:56 < cyda> doh
15:56 < cyda> wrong keyboard
15:58 < kulandin> hahah A also control 2 Pcs, but use only 1,5 keyboard and only one mouse :)
15:58 < rxr> hi cyda
15:58 < cyda> hey rxr
15:59 < cyda> kulandin: my kvm switch sucks
15:59 < cyda> for some reason the keyboard and mouse dont work
16:00 < cyda> so the only thing i can share with all the boxes is the monitor
16:00 < cyda> it gets confusing
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16:07 < DeeKey1> cyda: I also use KVM switch. And 2 monitors (actually I cab use only one)
16:07 < DeeKey1> But no mouse or keybors is attached to kvm :)
16:07 < DeeKey1> The trick is: I use VNC to control the PC !
16:08 < DeeKey1> with KVM you cannot copy past info from one pc to another. With KVM you can!
16:13 < cyda> yeah vnc is cool
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16:14 < DeeKey1> althow there is some quirks... It is slower, then windows RDP... And i have found a mouse pointer bug when working with VmWare client...
16:14 < DeeKey1> Pointer became a square
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18:39 < mqueiros_> Hello! Does anyone thinks there should be a "newbie" guide to T2 ?
18:40 < rxr> yeah - do you want to write some lines ?
18:40 < mqueiros_> Yes... :)
18:40 < mqueiros_> what do you think it should be there ?
18:40 < rxr> I thought of writing some "a week with T2" tutorial as mini documentation
18:40 < rxr> like everything you encounter if you use T2 for a week :-)
18:41 < mqueiros_> Yes... it seems like the experience I'm having with T2... ;)
18:43 < mqueiros_> the handbook has been done in docbook ?
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18:44 < rxr> yes, the handbook ware cetently re-written to docbook (was LaTeX)
18:45 < rxr> but the guide probably should be on the homepage, like the other tiny tutorials
18:45 < rxr> so you can use minimally marked up HTML if you prefer
18:45 < rxr> btw. I thought about starting a ezine section on the homepage
18:46 < rxr> also covering other open source and linux goodies ... - special setups, new packages, new features etc.
18:46 < rxr> maybe T2 is big enough for such stuff, these days
18:46 < mqueiros_> ok... I must say I like (La)TeX a lot !
18:47 < mqueiros_> but you are right, the guide should be on the home page...
18:47 < rxr> historically I also liked LaTeX
18:48 < cyda> hey rxr, quick question
18:48 < cyda> is sysfs required in the kernel for t2?
18:58 < rxr> well - for udev, yes
18:58 < rxr> if you do not include sysfs udev will stop to work
18:59 < rxr> cyda: are you asked to build a kernel without sysfs ?
19:00 < rxr> you can - if you convert back to using static nodes in /dev
19:00 < rxr> (few people do these days)
19:01 < cyda> ty, that could explain why i cant boot :-p
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19:24 < DeeKey> rxr: I have switched from uclibc to dietlibc, but now I cannot compile package (rtai) which was compiled with uclibc...
19:24 < DeeKey> error: compiler cannot make executables
19:25 < DeeKey> Do you have a suggestion?
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19:41 < DeeKey> it seems that dietlibc is some kind of a instable dark matter I will better leave it alone :)
19:44 < rxr> if you need C++ don't use dietlibc
19:44 < rxr> "which was compiled with uclibc"
19:44 < rxr> you can also not mix different C libraries ...
19:53 < DeeKey> It is clear... Now I am trying t build with glibc... But it seems that I have already tried and failed... I will look at it more detailed..
20:02 < DeeKey> hahahaha :) Funny thing! 3d Printer! http://fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
20:03 < sn9_> have you ever used one of those?
20:03 < rxr> yes
20:03 < DeeKey> rxr: really?!
20:04 < rxr> yes, especially as former days I was trained as technical draftsperson
20:04 < rxr> but also with the companies we work togther "printing" prototypes ...
20:04 < DeeKey> And is it really useful?!
20:04 < rxr> was just at a company having this their main business last week
20:04 < rxr> yeah - sure
20:05 < rxr> you can rapid print your protype models ...
20:05 < rxr> of all kind of cases and tools and such
20:05 < DeeKey> hmm.. But of course not with this exact printer i pointed to..
20:06 < rxr> heh - maybe not did not click that link yet
20:06 < rxr> with the industrial ones you can even "print" (sinter) metal together
20:06 < rxr> (with a laster)
20:06 < DeeKey> WOU!
20:06 < rxr> laser
20:07 < DeeKey> metal as a powder?
20:07 < rxr> yep
20:07 < DeeKey> cool!
20:07 < rxr> but I did not saw that yet :-)
20:07 < rxr> at least not that I remeber
20:07 < DeeKey> it sould be possible..
20:09 < rxr> but I know they exist :-)
20:12 < CIA-24> rene * r25739 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ati/xf86-video-ati.desc: * updated xf86-video-ati (6.6.193 -> 6.7.191)
20:17 < DeeKey> what variable to use to get a packages tar name?
20:18 < rxr> of the package beging built? $xtarsrc or so
20:18 < DeeKey> I mean the name of the directory containing extracted sources
20:18 < rxr> don't use that manually
20:18 < rxr> match_source_file -p some-regex
20:19 < rxr> match_source_file -p data-file
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23:37 < CIA-24> denisk * r25741 /branches/rtai/package/contrib/rtai/ (config.in parse-config-9 pkg_linux26_post.conf rtai.desc): RTAI 3.5->3.5-cv
23:38 < CIA-24> denisk * r25742 /branches/rtai/target/rtai/ (busybox.config config.in pkgsel): small changes
23:39 < CIA-24> denisk * r25743 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi/comedi.conf: comments added
23:39 < CIA-24> denisk * r25744 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi-driver/pkg_linux26_post.conf: comments added
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