--- Log opened Sun Aug 12 00:00:19 2007
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02:48 < kic-> yay
02:48 < kic-> got my mirror online now
02:48 < kic-> last package finished downloading
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08:58 < rxr> re
08:59 < rxr> mion Ragnarin 
10:00 < CIA-24> rene * r25498 /trunk/package/e16/enlightenment16/enlightenment16.desc: * updated enlightenment16 (0.16.8.8 -> 0.16.8.9)
10:23 < CIA-24> susan * r25499 /trunk/package/gpe/xsettings-client/ (. xsettings-client.cache xsettings-client.desc): * added xsettings-client (0.14) - Xsettings library
10:24 < CIA-24> susan * r25500 /trunk/package/doc/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20070805 -> 20070811)
10:26 < CIA-24> susan * r25501 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/heimdal.desc: * updated heimdal (0.8.1 -> 1.0.1)
10:28 < CIA-24> susan * r25502 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (17 -> 18)
10:30 < CIA-24> susan * r25503 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * updated asterisk (1.4.9 -> 1.4.10.1)
10:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25504 /trunk/package/base/hdparm/hdparm.desc: * updated hdparm (7.6 -> 7.7)
10:45 < Enqlave> moin moin guys ;)
10:46 < Enqlave> uh
10:46  * Enqlave == Stelz :)
10:47 < rxr> hi
10:47 < Enqlave> rxr: hey, could you "rename" me please @ the about page?
10:48 < rxr> you mean your irc nick ?
10:48 < Enqlave> yup
10:48 < Enqlave> and jabber id
10:48 < Enqlave> enqlave@gmail.com
10:50 < Enqlave> ok, i'll return very soon
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10:55 < Enqlave> um, rxr, thanks! but
10:55 < Enqlave> 12:48'08 Enqlave> and jabber id
10:55 < Enqlave> 12:48'16 Enqlave> enqlave@gmail.com
10:55 < Enqlave> jabber id == enqlave@gmail.com
10:55 < Enqlave> :)
10:56 < rxr> better ?
10:56 < Enqlave> please fix it, and also... could you add my "Main field" as OpenBSD kernel support
10:56 < Enqlave> yeah
10:56 < Enqlave> rxr: will we rewrite our build system to mostly support lua/sh, but not bash?
10:56 < rxr> not that likely
10:57 < rxr> other shells all have their quirks and and we use quite some userfriendly bash extensions
10:57 < rxr> maybe in the long term, but not like the next year
10:57 < Enqlave> hm
10:57 < rxr> but you can always install the bash for now
10:57 < rxr> this is the same like "writing portable Makefiles"
10:57 < Enqlave> yeah..
10:58 < rxr> with all the crappy make implementation this is no fun
10:58 < rxr> thus the GNU/make people just recommend: write makefiles that work in GNU/make and just install GNU/make on your platform :_9
10:58 < Enqlave> of course rxr, i have gnu make :)
10:59 < Enqlave> i think the problem we will find: the sync
10:59 < Enqlave> cause openbsd != kernel
10:59 < rxr> sync ?
11:00 < Enqlave> openbsd == krnel + userland + modified-xorg + ports + packages
11:00 < Enqlave> *kernel
11:00 < Enqlave> 12:59'53 Enqlave> ,sync
11:00 < Enqlave> 12:59'54 xenocara> always keep OpenBSD kernel, userland, ports and packages version in sync. If you don't, it will break. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
11:01 < Enqlave> i really dunno, can we adopt openbsd kernel to our userland or not..
11:01 < rxr> yeah the usual BSD FUD ...
11:02 < rxr> it's not that they change their ABI
11:02 < rxr> they kept it compatible the last decade or whatever
11:02 < rxr> otherwise you could not run their old binaries on new systems anyways
11:02 < rxr> and the BSD tools, like cp, sed, et al. suck anyway, and the package we have mostly just build from vanilla C source anyway
11:03 < rxr> you mostly only have to do 3 major things:
11:03 < rxr> add a openbsd-header package containing the system headers of the kernel
11:03 < rxr> (like linux-headers)
11:03 < rxr> add a openbsd-libc shipping their libc
11:03 < rxr> and then the openbsd kernel package
11:03 < rxr> the normal userland mostly just continous to build anyway
11:03 < CIA-24> susan * r25505 /trunk/package/gpe/libxsettings-client/ (libxsettings-client.cache libxsettings-client.desc): * updated download tag and libxsettings-client.cache
11:04 < rxr> and of course vanilla X had openbsd support, maybe that is a little incomplete with the modular X, now
11:04 < rxr> but that should be fixed
11:04 < rxr> you can still use T2 to build "all in sync from one know good snapshot"
11:07 < Enqlave> :)
11:07 < Enqlave> 13:02'32 rxr> and the BSD tools, like cp, sed, et al. suck anyway
11:07 < Enqlave> i don think so
11:08 < Enqlave> i prefer BSD rewrites of tese tools over the GNU ones.
11:08 < Enqlave> just for example: GNU tar is full of bugs, instead of ours :)
11:09 < Enqlave> and our bsd-licensed pkg-config... is more flexible than gnu one
11:09 < Enqlave> oh, pkg-config != gnu..
11:09 < Enqlave> i'm about standard pkg-config :)
11:10 < rxr> more flexiable doesn't give you anything, in packages sources just the common subset can be used anyway
11:10 < Enqlave> but this is doesn't matter.. i'll try to make it work
11:10 < rxr> and how many tar bugs did you encounter ?
11:10 < Enqlave> yeah rxr
11:10 < Enqlave> 2 :)
11:10 < Enqlave> and one serious
11:11 < rxr> yeah - bugs can be fixed
11:11 < Enqlave> yea :)
11:11 < rxr> btw. the BSD ones are not rewrites just the crappy historic and aging originals
11:11 < Enqlave> what?
11:11 < rxr> and the usually do not support like argument reordering as the gnu ones do normally
11:11 < Enqlave> don't mix *BSD and OpenBSD please
11:11 < rxr> so you can add stuff to the end cp a b c /xyz -ar...
11:12 < rxr> or find needs a directory specification like find <dir> foo bar etc. etc ...
11:12 < rxr> but you can still add those tools as openbsd-whatever packages in t2
11:12 < rxr> it is just more packages to do ...
11:12 < rxr> I just wanted to save you work .-)
11:13 < Enqlave> i know rxr. but openbsd don't care. openbsd standard unix utils == rewrites of gnu under the bsd-license
11:13 < Enqlave> yeah, rxr. i see :)
11:13 < Enqlave> so
11:13 < Enqlave> so i'll take one machine from the uni
11:13 < Enqlave> and 'll play with openbsd kernel+t2 there
11:13 < Enqlave> as soon as possible
11:14 < Enqlave> i'm working on the new router right now..
11:15 < Enqlave> so you can add to my "CPU in use" field -- amd64 one
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11:40 < CIA-24> rene * r25506 /trunk/target/neo1973/config.in: * fixed neo1973 CPU optimization yet again, it's ARM920T, not 720T, guess time for holiday ...
11:45 < rxr> heh, on the wine list: "Our wiki software is ugly"
11:47 < CIA-24> susan * r25507 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-contacts/ (. gpe-contacts.cache gpe-contacts.desc): * added gpe-contacts (0.47) - A contact manager
11:50 < CIA-24> susan * r25508 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-dm/ (gpe-dm.cache gpe-dm.desc): * updated gpe-dm (0.48 -> 0.51)
11:53 < CIA-24> susan * r25509 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-edit/ (gpe-edit.cache gpe-edit.desc): * updated gpe-edit (0.32 -> 0.40)
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11:57 < CIA-24> susan * r25511 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-gallery/ (gpe-gallery.cache gpe-gallery.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-gallery.cache
11:58 < CIA-24> susan * r25512 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-go/ (gpe-go.cache gpe-go.desc): * updated download tag ang gpe-go.cache
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12:07 [Users #t2]
12:07 [@ChanServ] [ Fatal    ] [ mtr      ] [ Ragnarin  ] [ TobiX   ] 
12:07 [ CIA-24  ] [ Jason5876] [ pdinoto  ] [ renderfull] [ valentin] 
12:07 [ Enqlave ] [ kic-     ] [ pdinoto__] [ rxr       ] 
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12:17 < CIA-24> susan * r25515 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-julia/ (. compile.patch gpe-julia.cache gpe-julia.desc): * added gpe-julia (0.0.6) - A game
12:19 < CIA-24> susan * r25516 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-keylock/ (gpe-keylock.cache gpe-keylock.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-keylock.cache
12:19 < CIA-24> rene * r25517 /trunk/target/neo1973/ (config.in pkgsel): 
12:19 < CIA-24> * more neo1973 target drafting: less utility packages, more multimedia
12:19 < CIA-24>  codecs, no sysvinit, etc.
12:21 < CIA-24> susan * r25518 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-life/ (gpe-life.cache gpe-life.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-life.cache
12:26 < CIA-24> susan * r25519 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-ownerinfo/ (gpe-ownerinfo.cache gpe-ownerinfo.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-ownerinfo.cache
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13:12 < rxr> # mplayer power.mp3
13:12 < rxr> MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.2.1 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
13:12 < rxr> CPU: ARM
13:12 < rxr> ^- Neo1973 ....
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15:00 < rxr> re
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15:32 < sepp> moin 
15:33 < rxr> hey sepp 
15:33 < sepp> hey rxr 
15:33 < Enqlave> hi sepp
15:34 < sepp> hi Enqlave 
15:35 < rxr> http://kerneltrap.org/node/14165
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15:52 < CIA-24> susan * r25528 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-shield/ (. gpe-shield.cache gpe-shield.desc): * added gpe-shield (0.31) - A desktop PDA firewall configurator
16:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25529 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-soundbite/ (. compile.patch gpe-soundbite.cache gpe-soundbite.desc): * added gpe-soundbite (1.0.6) - Recording voice memos
16:07 < CIA-24> rene * r25530 /trunk/target/neo1973/pkgsel: * added wireless tools and bluez as well as readline, ... to the neo target
16:15 < CIA-24> susan * r25531 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-soundserver/ (. compile.patch gpe-soundserver.cache gpe-soundserver.desc): * added gpe-soundserver (0.4-1) - X-aware ESD wrapper
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16:17 < kic-> re and stuff
16:17 < rxr> hi kic- 
16:17 < rxr> should I add your new mirror to the cgi multiplexer so everyone sees it?
16:18 < rxr> including your company domain name?
16:18 < kic-> sure
16:19 < CIA-24> susan * r25533 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-taskmanager/ (gpe-taskmanager.cache gpe-taskmanager.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-taskmanager.cache
16:24 < CIA-24> susan * r25534 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-tetris/ (gpe-tetris.cache gpe-tetris.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-tetris.cache
16:26 < CIA-24> susan * r25535 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-timesheet/ (. gpe-timesheet.cache gpe-timesheet.desc): * added gpe-timesheet (0.32) - Is used to keep a list of tasks
16:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25536 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-todo/ (. gpe-todo.cache gpe-todo.desc): * added gpe-todo (0.56) - Keep track of thing you need to do...
16:32 < rxr> kic-: did you had a chance to test the big-endian arm binary ?
16:34 < CIA-24> susan * r25537 /trunk/package/gpe/gpe-what/ (gpe-what.cache gpe-what.desc): * updated download tag and gpe-what.cache
16:36 < kic-> no, not
16:36 < kic-> yet
16:36 < kic-> was going to go to the office last night after kids went to bed
16:37 < kic-> but ended up having to break out my air rifle and shoot racoons since they were scaring the wife
16:37 < kic-> fun evening
16:37 < kic-> heh
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16:38 < rxr> kic-: heh
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16:43 < CIA-24> rene * r25540 /trunk/package/develop/dfu-util/ (. dfu-util.cache dfu-util.conf dfu-util.desc): * added dfu-util (r2691) - An implementation of the host-side USB DFU protocol
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17:05 < CIA-24> rene * r25546 /trunk/package/network/gsmd/ (. gsmd.cache gsmd.conf gsmd.desc): * added gsmd (r2691) - A GSM daemon and client library
17:06 < rxr> #openmoko channel:
17:06 < rxr> 17:04 < summatusmentis> just out of curiousity, I haven't been following much lately, what's the 
17:06 < rxr>                         status of the software?
17:06 < rxr> 17:05 < rtyler> mega awesome
17:06 < rxr> 17:05 < rxr> far from usable ...
17:07 < CIA-24> susan * r25547 /trunk/package/gpe/libgtkinput/ (. libgtkinput.cache libgtkinput.desc): * added libgtkinput (0.3) - GPE input management library
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17:47 < CIA-24> susan * r25549 /trunk/package/gpe/mbmerlin/ (mbmerlin.cache mbmerlin.desc): * updated download tag and mbmerlin.cache
17:54 < CIA-24> susan * r25550 /trunk/package/gpe/miniclipboard/ (. miniclipboard.cache miniclipboard.desc): * added miniclipboard (0.3) - Mini-Clipboard management application
17:56 < CIA-24> susan * r25551 /trunk/package/gpe/minilite/ (minilite.cache minilite.desc): * updated download tag and minilite.cache
17:58 < CIA-24> susan * r25552 /trunk/package/gpe/minimix/ (minimix.cache minimix.desc): * updated download tag and minimix.cache
18:33 < CIA-24> rene * r25553 /trunk/target/neo1973/ (build.sh parse-config pkgsel uclibc.config): 
18:33 < CIA-24> * more neo1973 target drafting: added gsmd and lua, configured uClibC
18:33 < CIA-24>  and gcc to use soft-fp, added note about final jffs2 image creation
18:48 < mqueiros_> rxr: In the frontpage I believe it should be "effort"
18:49 < mqueiros_> and also I believe it should be "smartphone"... 
18:51 < rxr> thanks fixed
18:52 < mqueiros_> rxr: there seems to be some kind of a problem in the frontpage... look at "T2 for blackfin"
18:52 < rxr> oh yes
18:52 < rxr> there where some directories and files moved around recently to form a saner structure
18:52  * rxr adapting image links ...
18:54 < CIA-24> rene * r25554 /trunk/package/network/gpsd/ (. gpsd.cache gpsd.conf gpsd.desc): * added gpsd (2.34) - Listens to a GPS and provides clients with the data
18:54 < rxr> should be fixed
18:56 < mqueiros_> still see "T2 for blackfin" out of place...
18:57 < mqueiros_> the image is there...
18:57 < rxr> ah - indeed
18:57 < rxr> are you in the developer/people.html list already?
18:57 < mqueiros_> no...
18:57 < rxr> you deserverve some www and proofreading entry :-)
18:57 < mqueiros_> :)
19:00 < rxr> want to sumit the entry for the people page :-)??
19:01 < mqueiros_> What should I do ? :)
19:01 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/people.html
19:01 < kic-> aww
19:01 < rxr> submit such a block of informat you like to see public to rene @ exactcode . de
19:01 < kic-> i don't see my mirror in the list yet
19:01 < kic-> :D
19:02 < rxr> kic-: yes, because the damn uni network is down
19:02 < rxr> kic-: you probably have enough GB on the HD to spare ?
19:02 < mqueiros_> rxr: ok... I will email it...
19:02 < rxr> I would like to sync the 7.0, 6.0 and 2.1 source trees on that box then as well
19:02 < kic-> ./dev/sda1 184G 27G 148G 16% /
19:02 < rxr> (as soon as the uni network came back, ...)
19:02 < kic-> plenty
19:02 < rxr> great
19:07 < rxr> LMJ: are you here
19:08 < rxr> kic-: ok added to the 8.0 cgi db for now
19:10 < kic-> wee
19:13 < rxr> mqueiros_: ok, now the blackfin news should be aligned well
19:13 < rxr> was the digg image floating the layout
19:14 < mqueiros_> rxr: Yes, it is.
19:16 < mqueiros_> I'v already sent you the email... 
19:16 < rxr> yes, just got it /me editing
19:27 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/people.html
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19:32 < mqueiros_> rxr: ok, nice... :)
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19:43 < kic-> neat
19:43 < kic-> someone in ireland already used my mirror
19:43 < kic-> :D
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