--- Log opened Thu Aug 09 00:00:16 2007 01:25 -!- renderfull [n=codey@67.104.10.162] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:32 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e179009060.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:22 -!- cbrake_a1ay [n=cbrake@oh-69-34-21-229.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #t2 07:27 -!- cbrake_away [n=cbrake@oh-69-34-21-229.sta.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:16 -!- Ragnarin is now known as Ragnar|away 09:12 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-147-162.netcologne.de] has joined #t2 09:55 < CIA-24> susan * r25428 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeprint/libgnomeprint.desc: * updated libgnomeprint (2.18.0 -> 2.18.1) 09:56 < rxr> re 09:58 < rxr> .oO(http://lifehacker.com/software/diy/turn-a-flashlight-into-a-handheld-burning-laser-287252.php) 10:03 < CIA-24> susan * r25429 /trunk/package/mail/libetpan/libetpan.desc: * updated libetpan (0.51 -> 0.52) 10:03 < CIA-24> susan * r25430 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (4.1.4 -> 4.1.5) 10:04 < CIA-24> susan * r25431 /trunk/package/network/libotr/libotr.desc: * updated libotr (3.0.0 -> 3.1.0) 10:16 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has joined #t2 10:17 < rxr> heh 10:17 < rxr> OpenMoko Neo1973 arrived :-) 10:18 < sepp> :) 10:18 < sepp> moin 10:20 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-147-162.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:24 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-184-1.netcologne.de] has joined #t2 10:27 [Users #t2] 10:27 [@ChanServ ] [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 10:27 [ cbrake_a1ay] [ Dallur ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp ] [ wbx ] 10:27 [ CIA-24 ] [ Enqlave] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX] [ write_erase] 10:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 10:30 < CIA-24> susan * r25432 /trunk/package/graphic/libptp/ (gcc4.patch libptp.desc): * updated libptp (1.1.0 -> 1.1.9) 11:10 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-184-1.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:36 -!- cbrake_a1ay [n=cbrake@oh-69-34-21-229.sta.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:36 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178078170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 11:37 < yokoy> re 11:48 < rxr> hi 12:32 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:32 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 12:38 < yokoy> hey, 12:39 < yokoy> in the config you can check "Optimizes for xxx" 12:39 < yokoy> there are several AMDs 12:40 < rxr> yep 12:40 < yokoy> which is the X2? 12:40 < yokoy> MP? 12:40 < yokoy> multiprozessor? 12:40 < rxr> there are no fine grained options in GCC for the Athlon64's ... 12:41 < yokoy> so? 12:41 < yokoy> which comes nearest? 12:49 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z585f.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 12:50 < rxr> Athlon64 12:56 < yokoy> rxr: fine, but there is no choice "Athlon64" 12:57 < rxr> do you build for x86 or x86-64 ? 12:57 < yokoy> dumdidummm...sorry 12:59 < yokoy> is it a cross build, then? I build it on a x86. 13:00 < rxr> if you do not run a 64bit capable kernel it is a cross build, yes 13:05 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z725c.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:08 -!- write_erase_ [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has joined #t2 13:22 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:44 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-184-1.netcologne.de] has joined #t2 14:50 < write_erase_> rxr, OpenMoko still don't have Wifi Chipset :-( 15:13 < rxr> nope 15:13 < rxr> but the 2nd version is said to have one 15:27 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@208.115.42.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:27 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@208.115.42.5] has joined #t2 15:36 < rxr> valentin: the Neo1973 (the phone hardware of the software OpenMoko project) comes with a guitar plec, for opening the plastic case :-) 15:40 < cyda> moin folks 15:46 < rxr> Mem: 65552K used, 61132K free, 0K shrd, 24K buff, 33080K cached 15:46 < rxr> Load average: 0.01 0.27 0.25 (Status: S=sleeping R=running, W=waiting) 15:46 < rxr> PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND 15:46 < rxr> 1231 root R 848 1228 1.4 0.6 top 15:46 < rxr> 1227 root S 1032 1073 1.2 0.8 dropbear 15:46 < rxr> 1210 root S 15264 1203 0.0 12.0 openmoko-dialer 15:46 < rxr> 1209 root S 7844 1203 0.0 6.1 openmoko-today 15:46 < rxr> 1222 root S 7800 1208 0.0 6.1 openmoko-taskma 15:46 < rxr> 1204 root S 7496 1203 0.0 5.9 matchbox-panel- 15:46 < rxr> 1180 root S < 6768 1161 0.0 5.3 Xfbdev 15:46 < rxr> 1208 root S 6088 1203 0.0 4.7 openmoko-footer 15:46 < rxr> 1148 root S 4368 1 0.0 3.4 pulseaudio 15:46 < rxr> root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo 15:46 < rxr> Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) 15:46 < rxr> BogoMIPS : 132.71 15:46 < rxr> Features : swp half thumb 15:46 < rxr> CPU implementer : 0x41 15:46 < rxr> ... 15:46 < cyda> showoff :-p 15:47 < rxr> damn phone finally arrived just some hours ago 15:47 < cyda> you didnt sound too excited about getting it the last time i saw you 15:48 < rxr> i#m not 15:48 < rxr> nothing works 15:48 < rxr> not even calling someone 15:48 < rxr> but a good base for our t2 cellular phone stuff 15:49 < rxr> and they even use glibc on the phone, hello? glibc???? 15:49 < rxr> whatis uclibc, ??? 15:49 < rxr> no wonder it is slow and filled 15:49 < valentin> can't you just crosscompile some t2 embedded variant for it ? 15:49 < cyda> yeah glibc is certainly not a smart move on that architecture 15:50 < cyda> follows the redhat bloat_me model 15:50 < valentin> bbl 15:51 < rxr> valentin: sure will start soon 15:51 < rxr> and then we do the state-of-the-art UI stuff 15:51 < valentin> if you have a halfway system within one year, you will be ahead of openmoko 15:52 < rxr> I think I have a final system till new years eve ... 16:00 < mqueiros_> rxr: Been trying to find out what could be the problem with compiling Perl... and found this: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=616092 16:00 < mqueiros_> Can you take a look at it ? 16:02 < mqueiros_> I will probably change the symlink... 16:04 < rxr> ah - yes, sound plausible 16:05 < rxr> maybe we should patch perl in the long-run to build on those ubuntu systems anyway 16:06 < mqueiros_> ok, I will try it then... 16:06 < rxr> try to change the symlink or try to patch perl :-) ? 16:06 < mqueiros_> try to change the symlink... :) 16:12 < rxr> 1272 root R 1148 1213 18.4 0.9 madplay 16:18 < mqueiros_> ok, perl builds on ubuntu. :) 16:19 < rxr> I'm still shoked OpenMoko uses glibc ... 16:20 < rxr> and then they include the busybox top, and not the real thing, not even displaying accumulated, total cpu load ... 16:20 < rxr> at least they use dropbear and not openssh ... 16:37 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@208.115.42.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:37 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 16:47 < LMJ> moin moin 16:47 * LMJ is in holidays :-D 17:05 < rxr> lucky you LMJ 17:05 -!- wbx [n=wbx@xdsl-87-78-184-1.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 17:08 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:08 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@208.115.42.5] has joined #t2 17:08 < LMJ> ;) 17:08 < LMJ> you could to 17:09 < LMJ> o 17:09 < rxr> where are you going to? or enjoying the home and T2 or so :-? 17:10 < LMJ> will be around until saturday evening with T2, then, 1 week on the mediteraneen sea cost enjoying girls on the beach :-P 17:10 < rxr> :-) 17:20 < yokoy> apropos coast -> silicon -> optimization for special cpu :-) 17:21 < yokoy> on my new x2 i will mainly compile x86 code 17:22 < yokoy> so should I run 32bit software and kernel or 64bit? 17:22 < sepp_> 64 17:23 < yokoy> crosscompile do not slow down? 17:23 < rxr> cross compiling will not slow down, but even in T2 we can not yet cross compile everything 17:23 < rxr> "just" 33% of the packages 17:23 < rxr> you can normaqlly run 32bit kernel just fine 17:24 < rxr> but if you want a little more performance, 64bit applications run a little faster as the 64bit mode has more registers 17:24 < rxr> but if you just run 32bit binaries that does not matter 17:25 < sepp_> cant you normally build a x86 target on x86-64 without cross compiler? 17:25 < rxr> yes you can 17:26 < sepp_> that is what i thought 17:26 < rxr> if you run a 64bit kernel you can run both binary types transparently 17:26 < rxr> but if you just run 32bit binaries you have no adavantage from that 17:26 < rxr> only if you have more than 3.5GB RAM 17:26 < yokoy> ? why that ? 17:27 < rxr> because a 32bit kernel can not address more than 3.5 GB of RAM in a way that normal programs can run in 17:27 < LMJ> it's even a physical restriction 17:28 < rxr> but although a 64bit kernel can address all of it, a single 32bit binary of course still can only address the lower 4GB of your full system's ram 17:28 < rxr> 32bit pointers can only address 4GB 17:29 < yokoy> ok, I saw that compiling is not as RAM hungry as I thought 17:29 < yokoy> so I ordered only 1 gig 17:30 < yokoy> do you think this is a slow down factor? 17:32 < LMJ> maybe try to use a tmpfs as far as you can during compilation, don't know if it's possible 17:33 < yokoy> ah, ok 17:34 < rxr> building in tmpfs with just 1G of RAM? no way 17:34 < rxr> you can start thinking about that if you have over 2, maybe 4G 17:34 < rxr> some massive C or normal C++ files make gcc/g++ consume over 500M of RAM 17:35 < rxr> and linux and mozilla will never build in a less than 1G tmpfs 17:35 < LMJ> ;) 17:36 < LMJ> but it could speed the compilation progress ? 17:36 < rxr> yes, if you have way over 2G of RAM it will speed up compilation significantly .-) 17:36 < LMJ> how many TB do you need for OOo ? :-D 17:36 < rxr> if you build on normal HDs mounting your system noatime will also help significantly 17:39 < rxr> cu all 17:40 < LMJ> CU 17:40 < yokoy> cu 17:46 * pdinoto expects to see an openmoko target soon... 17:46 < pdinoto> :-) 17:52 -!- renderfull [n=codey@67.104.10.162] has joined #t2 17:56 < yokoy> I build a "livecd" target. Is it possible to change the config to "install" an rerun the Build-Target script without mess up the build? 17:56 < yokoy> s/an/and 17:58 -!- write_erase_ [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:59 < sepp_> i think so 18:02 < yokoy> BTW - I completely finished a minimal build in stage 9 using trunk. No errors. The first time in one year! 18:07 < yokoy> ups. the install version .iso has only 40MB vs livecd 145MB 18:15 < mqueiros_> yokoy: about changing the config and rerun build-target... Yes, you can do it... I'v been doing-it. At least it's possible to change the package selection. 18:26 < yokoy> mqueiros_: yes, I think it is a feature from t2. But now I have a install cd with 40MB, I am missing roundabout 100MB. Hmm 18:27 < mqueiros_> yokoy: strange... 18:32 < mqueiros_> I'm building 6.0.3 now... Had problems with kernel modules in trunk. 18:49 < yokoy> mqueiros_: yes, the modules. wifi? 18:49 < mqueiros_> yokoy: yes, but also nvidia-legacy... and slmodem... 19:17 < mqueiros_> anyone got T2 mailing list archives in mbos format ? 19:17 < mqueiros_> I would like to have them... 19:22 < mqueiros_> mbos, should be... mbox, of course... 19:27 -!- Ragnar|away is now known as Ragnar 19:48 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178078170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:53 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178078170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 20:44 < pdinoto> anybody knows why my livecd image gets packages 20:44 < pdinoto> built in stage 1? 20:46 < mqueiros_> pdinoto: what packages are you talking about ? 20:47 < pdinoto> I have my own target, which only has busybox, linux26, lua 20:47 < pdinoto> compiled with uclibc. 20:47 < pdinoto> These are -more or less- the only ones built in stage 5. 20:48 < pdinoto> when I use Create-ISO, I get perl, bash, about 40mb. 20:48 < pdinoto> so I guess Create-ISO is taking stuff from stage 1... 20:49 < pdinoto> as far as I understood, stage 1 needs perl, awk, etc. 20:49 < pdinoto> to deal with the build of succesive stages. 20:49 < pdinoto> but it is not clear what gets included in a final ISO image... 20:50 < pdinoto> (it is not clear to me, that is :-) 20:50 < mqueiros_> well... it's not clear to me too... 20:51 * pdinoto feels better :-) 20:51 < pdinoto> I am now looking into Create-ISO, to see if I can get insight on it. 20:52 < mqueiros_> let me know if you get into some conclusion... :) 22:04 < renderfull> any AVR32/STK1000 users in here? Trying to upgrade uBoot, having issues 22:25 -!- kic- [i=rfoote@208.115.42.100] has joined #t2 22:25 < kic-> can someone send a ping to a box on my fiber line for me, and tell me what kind of ms you get? 22:26 < renderfull> sure 22:26 < renderfull> what's the ip? 22:30 < yokoy> avg 173ms 22:48 < kic-> ip is 22:48 < kic-> 208.115.42.117 22:49 < renderfull> avg 88ms 22:49 < kic-> hrm 22:49 < kic-> and where are you located? 23:20 < pdinoto> time=163 ms from Argentina 23:27 < Ragnar> re 23:34 < mqueiros_> kic: need another ping ? 23:36 < kic-> sure 23:37 < mqueiros_> time=168 ms 23:37 < kic-> what location 23:37 < mqueiros_> from Portugal. 23:37 < kic-> hrm 23:37 < kic-> not TO bad i guess 23:37 < kic-> this box is on a 10mb Fiber line, in Boca Raton, FL 23:37 < mqueiros_> yes... not bad... 23:38 < kic-> its the T2 box sitting in my office, i think i'm gonna try to use it for a Counter-Strike source server 23:38 < kic-> :D 23:51 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.250.41.212] has joined #t2 23:51 < keinek> hi 23:56 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@201.250.23.200] has joined #t2 23:56 < yokoy> aaaaaargh 23:56 < keinek_> aaaaaaaaaaaah! 23:56 < keinek_> :) 23:56 < yokoy> my harddisk fucked up 23:57 < keinek_> this things happens. 23:57 < keinek_> make any sound? 23:57 < keinek_> like: stuuu stuu stuuck 23:58 < yokoy> something like that... 23:58 < keinek_> yes... the harddisk fucked up... 23:58 < keinek_> seagate? maxtor? samsung? western digital? 23:59 < yokoy> i guess it is a maxtor 23:59 < keinek_> western is better. 23:59 < mqueiros_> yokoy: any backups ? 23:59 < keinek_> but expensive. --- Log closed Fri Aug 10 00:00:17 2007