--- Log opened Sun Aug 05 00:00:01 2007
00:54 < mqueiros_> Hello! Does anyone knows whats going wrong here: http://pastebin.com/m306e9a3 I'm building Desktop target.
00:57 < sepp> 7.0?
00:57 < sepp> some 3rd party kernel mods failed
00:59 < mqueiros_> Thanks, yes... 7.0... I noticed the 3rd party warning...
01:00 < mqueiros_> just don't know how to continue now.
01:00 < sepp> someone has to fix the 3rd party wifi stuff
01:01 < sepp> maybe there are already some patches to build these things with the latest kernel, or updates
01:01 < sepp> or if not and you do not need them, disable them
01:02 < sepp> :/
01:02 < mqueiros_> that will be fine for now... :) Just how do I do it ?
01:04 < sepp> you can enable custom package selection in Config and disable packages there
01:04 < mqueiros_> ok... I will do that... thanks! Still getting started in T2...
01:05 < sepp> 'O foo' <- disable package foo, 'X bar' <- enable package bar
01:05 < sepp> :)
01:06 < mqueiros_> yes... I noticed that in the "help" menu... Thanks! :)
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01:11 < mqueiros_> ok, I'v disabled iwlwifi and got the started the build process again...
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09:36 < yokoy> sepp: module-init-tools vs modutils only if you plan to use 2.4? wich is the one for 2.4?
09:48 < LMJ> moin moin
10:05 < yokoy> hello LMJ
10:06 < LMJ> hello yokoy
10:31 < yokoy> module-init-tools 2.4 ; modutils 2.6
10:52 < rxr> re
10:52 < rxr> modutils is for 2.4
10:53 < rxr> module-init-tools is for 2.5++
11:00 < LMJ> hi rxr
11:02 < CIA-8> rene * r25368 /trunk/package/network/ncftp/ (ncftp.desc precompiled_headers.patch): * updated ncftp (3.2.0 -> 3.2.1)
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11:38 < tri_> moin
11:41 < rxr> moin tri_
11:44 < tri_> moin
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12:56 < yokoy> rxr: really? ubuntu seems to use modutils
12:56 < yokoy> whereis modutils
12:56 < yokoy> modutils: /etc/modutils
13:13 < rxr> yokoy: modutils does not work with 2.5/2.6
13:13 < rxr> maybe ubuntu ships both, or ships module-init-tools inside the modules package
13:13 < rxr> no-idea
13:13 < rxr> but you need module-init-tools for a 2.5/2.6++ kernel
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14:05 < sepp_> moin :)
14:08 < rxr> moin sepp
14:08 < sepp_> moin rxr
14:38 < rxr> I'm drafting a new "microsite" area of the T2 homepage:
14:38 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/
14:39 < rxr> just skeleton and not yet linked in the main menu
14:39 < rxr> comments welcome
14:43 < sepp_> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/ <- there is a p missing in Apple Inc
14:44 < rxr> fixed
14:44 < rxr> thanks
14:44 < rxr> this is mostly bare structure and some pictures anyway ...
14:44 < rxr> nice text to ber written
14:44 < sepp_> and at http://www.t2-project.org/kernels/minix.html the link is still wrong
14:45 < sepp_> points to http://http//www.minix3.org/
14:45 < rxr> thanks, fixed too
14:46 < rxr> hm
14:47 < rxr> ok
14:48 < rxr> and, what do you think about the hardware part of the site ?
14:50 < sepp_> the text could need some breaks
14:53 < rxr> yeah - and content
14:53 < sepp_> :)
14:53 < rxr> the idea is to attract new users while the google for linux support of their stuff
14:54 < rxr> as right now when you google for Linux on MacBook, Sun T1000, Sony Vaio something you get lots of hits howto install Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc.
15:04 < sepp_> yeah the Ubuntu forums with a lot of content
15:05 < rxr> yeah - I hope we have extensive hardware info soon as well
15:05 < rxr> btw. I really like this image:
15:05 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/workstation/Apple/Cube/
15:05 < rxr> err
15:05 < rxr> heh
15:05 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/Cube/
15:06 < rxr> I'm so glad I got a Cube in very good conditions very cheaply on http://ebay.de recently ...
15:07 < sepp_> nice
15:09 < sepp_> much better than the iBooks that looked like techno sofa cushion :p
15:12 < rxr> :-/
15:12 < rxr> so - gotta have lunch - cu later
15:12 < sepp_> cu later
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16:47 < mqueiros_> .oO (My Ultra 60 that I bought on ebay.co.uk would run great with T2)
17:11 < rxr> re
17:11 < rxr> oh yeah, probably
17:12 < rxr> re
17:51 < mqueiros_> rxr: I was reading http://www.t2-project.org/developer/pkgtutorial.html And I think that when you say: "This does not only SAFE", you mean: "This does not only SAVES"...
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18:07 < rxr> mqueiros_: reload, better ?
18:07 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/console/Sony/PS3/
18:07 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/console/Sega/Dreamcast/
18:07 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/embedded/Atmel/ATSTK1000/
18:07 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/embedded/Atmel/ATNGW100/
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18:09 < mqueiros_> rxr: yes, better... not shure if it should be "saveS time while creating a package"...
18:14 < mqueiros_> rxr: "to also9" in PS3 page...
18:15 < mqueiros_> rxr: "thu limitting" or "thus limitting" ?
18:15 < mqueiros_> rxr: "Gigabit Ethnernet"...
18:16 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/server/Sun/T1000/
18:17 < rxr> thanks fixed
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18:22 < rxr> hi renderfull
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18:30 < rxr> heh - I probably should have pastested the above links without localhost:/
18:30 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/portable/MSI/S270/
18:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/console/Sony/PS3/
18:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/console/Sega/Dreamcast/
18:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/embedded/Atmel/ATSTK1000/
18:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/embedded/Atmel/ATNGW100/
18:34 < mqueiros_> rxr: MSI S270: "was ON of the first" ?
18:35 < mqueiros_> rxr: "indepdant"
18:39 < mqueiros_> rxr: and there's an extra html tag "SD slot/li>" in http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/embedded/Atmel/ATNGW100/
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18:43 < rxr> mqueiros_: thanks for much for proof reading :-)
18:44 < mqueiros_> rxr: :) I now that when we read what we write we don't find any kind of mistakes... :)
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18:48 < rxr> mqueiros_: I probably should get the Emacs flyspell module to work with utf-8 and aspell again ...
18:48 < rxr> that would probably decrease the error count, likewise
18:48 < rxr> but for me this Lisp code is only fun when it works
18:48 < rxr> the last time I looked 1h on it and did not found why it does not want to work on my system ...
18:49 < renderfull> Does anyone know about the avr32 stk1000 dev board? It says Linux is included and I want to know if T2 is already on there.
18:50 < rxr> renderfull: Atmel ships a rather minimal custom buitl BSP
18:50 < rxr> renderfull: but I have a STK1000 on my desk, T2 support is in trunk, you can build your own system
18:51 < rxr> renderfull: the Atmel BSP is rather minimal, also no video player if you want it (due legal patent issues)
18:51 < rxr> renderfull: with T2 you can cross build mplayer for AVR32
18:51 < renderfull> yeah, I'll need MPLAYER
18:51 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/embedded/Atmel/ATSTK1000/
18:51 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/architectures/avr32.html
18:52 < rxr> mqueiros_: http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/portable/Apple/MacBook/
18:53 < mqueiros_> rxr: where are you using LISP code ?
18:53 < renderfull> good info, rxr. does the avr32 run at 140mhz?
18:54 < renderfull> or just the one on stk1000?
18:54 < mqueiros_> rxr: "it requies an"
18:55 < rxr> renderfull: the AP7000 max clock frequency is 140MHz, currently
18:55 < rxr> renderfull: I have to check the other desk with the NGW100 is running at
18:55 < mqueiros_> rxr: "archived", I believe you mean "achieved"
18:55 < rxr> the bogomips I pasted today in the T2 hardware article was slightly lower
18:56 < rxr> renderfull: but that could be due to running from DRAM instead of the expensive, but faster SRAM of the STK1000
18:56 < renderfull> so processing hd-video on this thingmay be out of the question, at that clock frequency...
18:56 < renderfull> hmmm
18:56 < rxr> mqueiros_: I use XEmacs, mostly, and most modules are LISP, in the past the flyspell module was quite nice, ,but somewhen with utf8 and aspell it stopped to work for me ...
18:57 < rxr> renderfull: HD is out of question, the C code T2 compiles can decode quater sized MPEG2 and MPEG4
18:57 < rxr> quater-VGA
18:57 < rxr> Atmel told me in the lab they have assembly to decode full-sized VGA MPEG2
18:57 < rxr> but they can not provide due to patent problems ...
18:58 < rxr> the AVR32 is really very fast for the low clock frequency
18:58 < mqueiros_> rxr: ok, I don't use Xemacs my self... I'm more fan of vi... :)
18:58 < renderfull> yeah,it's a good architecture fromwhat I can tell. great efficiency
18:58 < rxr> mqueiros_: I use both, vi for scripts and T2 stuff, XEmacs for bigger C++ chunks and longer texts ..
18:59 < mqueiros_> rxr: also in the macbook page... "requies", I believe it should be "requires"...
19:00 < mqueiros_> rxr: once I read something like this (XEmacs vs VI wars): "XEmacs is a nice OS, but VI as got more apps" :)
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19:05 < rxr> mqueiros_: Yeah - I'm quite pragmatic, I use the best of both worlds :-)
19:08 < mqueiros_> rxr: I doubled checked: its "achiEved"... and not "achived"
19:09 < rxr> thanks
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19:14 < renderfulll> oops
19:16 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/workstation/Apple/Cube/
19:16 < rxr> http://localhost/hardware/portable/Sony/VGN-TZ/
19:16 < rxr> err damnit
19:16 < renderfulll> heh
19:16 < rxr> with t2-project.org as usual ...
19:16 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/Cube/
19:16 < renderfulll> you know anything about the video capabilities of blackfin? looking for something with linux support that is decently priced, and can render hd video
19:16 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/portable/Sony/VGN-TZ/
19:17 < rxr> renderfull: yeah - Blackfin is way higher clocked
19:17 < rxr> and I think there are even dual-core DSPs out there already
19:17 < renderfulll> yeah i saw up to
19:17 < renderfulll> 763
19:17 < rxr> yeah
19:17 < rxr> we had project with blackfin as you can guess from my name on the T2 page, but I have no numbers for the latest chips and no idea if it is enough to decode HD video
19:18 < rxr> you probably have to wire some HDMI whatever transmitter on the DSP anyway, I saw no pre-built board with high-def video for Blackfin, yet
19:18 < rxr> renderfull: do you want this privately or for a company ?
19:19 < mqueiros_> rxr: In the cube page... I think it should be: "several design PRIZES" and not "prices"...
19:19 < rxr> ok
19:19 < renderfulll> privately, project at home
19:19 < renderfulll> why do you ask?
19:20 < rxr> renderfull: to get a feeling for the "prebuilt board with HDMI transmitter" question
19:20 < rxr> I guess you rather want some ready-made board to wire the HD transmitter to in that case?
19:20 < rxr> as the at least 256 pin BGA chip is no fun to get on a custom board for SOHO-use :-)
19:20 < renderfulll> gotcha, it could turn into something if I can make it work at home though
19:20 < renderfulll> as always, heh
19:21 < rxr> well - I hve no good Blackfin board ahand, but the 600MHz versions, especially the dual cores should have enough power to decode HD video in real-time
19:21 < rxr> a "rought estimation from past experience"
19:21 < renderfulll> got a line on where to find pricing on a blackfin dev board?
19:21 < renderfulll> i already contacted them
19:22 < renderfulll> i just want to know now rather than tomorrow
19:22 < renderfulll> =D
19:23 < rxr> digikey or so?
19:24 < rxr> the STAMP boards should be rather cheap
19:24 < rxr> but I think they are not yet available with high-frequency chips
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19:26 < renderfil> kicked over and over
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19:47 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Sgi/Octane/
19:48 < mqueiros_> rxr: "ilnux26-mips"
19:49 < mqueiros_> rxr: I believe the "and" word shouldn't be in "the support and the Sgi Octane"
19:50 < mqueiros_> rxr: "graphci"
19:54 < rxr> thanks, modified
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19:59 < rxr> this is just a quick path over some hardware to get some basic "articles" and examples going for other people
20:14 < mqueiros_> rxr: in http://www.t2-project.org/targets/live/ I think that you mean "weak" and not "week"
20:15 < rxr> indeed
20:15 < rxr> lol
20:16 < mqueiros_> yes... :)
20:18 < rxr> U30 page has hardware info, now
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20:35 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Sun/Ultra5/
20:35 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Sun/Ultra30/
20:40 < mqueiros_> rxr: seems ok...
20:45 < rxr> :-)
20:53 < LMJ> rxr :
20:54 < LMJ> I've tested t2 on a part of this servers : http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/standard_servers/rack/index.html
20:54 < LMJ> RX200 S3
20:54 < LMJ> RX600 S3
20:54 < LMJ> RX100 S4
20:55 < LMJ> I'm really sure t2 runs on the whole server listed on this page
20:55 < rxr> you mean for inclusion in the new hardware listings ?
20:56 < LMJ> yes
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20:57 < rxr> LMJ: :-)
20:58 < rxr> LMJ: maybe write some lines about those boxes in the style of the available pages and just send it in :-)
20:58 < LMJ> I will try to do so tomorrow
20:58 < rxr> great
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20:58 < rxr> wb yokoy
20:59 < LMJ> same for those servers... I have to test to be sure, but I can bet it
20:59 < LMJ> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/en/proliant/proliant-dl.html
21:01 < LMJ> ping valentin ?
21:01 < rxr> LMJ: valentin is holidaying
21:02 < LMJ> I wondering what we could do with linux on a dreamcast
21:02 < LMJ> got one around
21:02 < rxr> :-)
21:03 < rxr> ok - I gotta go
21:03 < LMJ> CU
21:03 < rxr> cu all tomorrow
21:03 < rxr> and have fun
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21:03 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
21:03 < LMJ> t2 runs on Palm ?
21:03 < rxr> LMJ: I do not know anyone who tried
21:03 < rxr> I got a defect palm around recently though
21:04 < rxr> I think all Palms have a MMU less M86K (Coldfire or so)
21:04 < LMJ> got one
21:04 < rxr> there should be a MMU-less uClinux around for those
21:04 < LMJ> don't know if it's a good idea anyway
21:04 < rxr> but the devices are really low-end
21:04 < rxr> for very low-scale and embeded Linux learning it is a great idea
21:04 < rxr> the Psions where slower but had a MMU
21:04 < rxr> was quite fun:
21:05 < LMJ> oki
21:06 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/psion.html
21:06 < LMJ> I saw it
21:06 < rxr> btw. the OpenMoko NEO phone should arrive over here probably next week
21:06 < rxr> then the T2 target can begin :-)
21:07 < rxr> if you ever wanted a open source phone best with T2 it's probably a good time to get a Neo prototype and start T2 hacking as well :-)
21:07 < LMJ> good luck ;)
21:07 < rxr> so - finally of now
21:07 < LMJ> I can't hack ;)
21:10 < CIA-8> rene * r25379 /trunk/package/multimedia/unicap/unicap.desc: * updated unicap (0.2.11 -> 0.2.13)
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23:31 < hanhoo> evening
23:33 < hanhoo> can anyone lend a hand with installing t2-6.03 with the live cd?
23:34 < hanhoo> i did a svn check out of the 6.0.3. tag and fired up the Config script but it gave a shitload of errors
23:34 < hanhoo> something in dialog(.h) in some live cd dir
23:35 < mqueiros_> hanhoo: maybe you need ncurses or ncurses-devel
23:35 < hanhoo> hmmm that might help
23:35 < hanhoo> sorry but i thought the live cd had all the goodies to get t2 build ...
23:37 < mqueiros_> hanhoo: are you building T2 using T2 ?
23:37 < hanhoo> yup, trying
23:38 < hanhoo> is there something else besides a livie cd? something you can install on your system and work from there?
23:39 < hanhoo> so i have to download ncurses stuff, get them build before i can run the Config scripts?
23:40 < mqueiros_> I told you about ncurses because I had the same problem...
23:40 < hanhoo> k.
23:40 < mqueiros_> anyway... You can build T2 using other distro... wait...
23:40 < hanhoo> ah well, uhm i tried that already :)
23:40 < mqueiros_> take a look at: http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
23:41 < hanhoo> did the 7.0 svn checkout and that was quite spectacular...
23:41 < mqueiros_> I'm using Ubuntu to build T2.
23:41 < hanhoo> random segfaults, prolly thanks to gcc 4.2.2 of my debian system
23:41 < hanhoo> the 6.0 branch failed on perl in stage 1 already :(
23:41 < hanhoo> guess i am quite lucky with my system
23:42 < hanhoo> i guess i could try the 6.0.3 tag again, guess there are some bug fixes there
23:43 < mqueiros_> I'm building 7.0 trunk... Had some problems with kernel modules, but will look at it tomorrow...
23:44 < hanhoo> k. good luck :) guess depends on what compiler you are using
23:45 < hanhoo> iirc i used gcc 4.2.2 on archlinux which broke about anything but after restarting Build-Target it did continue (until it segmentated again)
23:45 < hanhoo> took sometimes 6 restarts of the build before gcc did it's job
23:45 < mqueiros_> I'm using 4.1.2...
23:46 < hanhoo> k. should give you less issues i hope
23:46 < mqueiros_> no issues with gcc... yet ! :)
23:46 < hanhoo> lucky you
23:46 < hanhoo> i'm jealous!
23:47 < hanhoo> i'll try a build from within debian, see if it works
23:48 < mqueiros_> yes...
23:51 < hanhoo> getting a link form sepp from a pre-build cd, going to use that as base, then trying to get things going
23:52 < hanhoo> he says debian is broken (which linux distro isn't these days)
23:52 < shevy> :)
23:53 < hanhoo> hehe glad someone at least agrees
23:53 < shevy> sure
23:54 < mqueiros_> hanhoo: what pre built cd are you going to use ?
23:55 < shevy> i think they most focus too much on package manager hanhoo
23:55 < shevy> *mostly
23:56 < hanhoo> an athlon64 prebuild thingy
23:56 < hanhoo> the thing i hate most about linux distros is that they all want to be graphical etc...i don't need no fancy login in screen, cli is fine...
23:57 < hanhoo> debian install was a minimal install too, the desktop target is bloated, gives me gnome with it's gdm which ofcourse doesn't work well with my grpahics card and dual monitor setup etc etc...
23:57 < hanhoo> keep things simple....archlinux is nice in that respect...
23:58 < hanhoo> gentoo isn't too bad either except...(i know saying something very evil now here)
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